Related
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/18/asus-eee-pad-transformer-uk-edition-review/
I'm surprised that they called out quite a few bugs in the software (and the unresponsiveness of the UI). I hope next few OTAs would fix the issues. But being Engadget, I think they have a slight bias.
I truely think there is no such thing as bug-free product. There will be bugs just as long as they aren't damaging to the point they can't be fix...ever. Lengthy review. Hopefully a review like this will not force Asus to delay release.
Its funny reading the comments at Engadget, a lot of negative feedback, towards the transformer and the review
I think the review was good, but it seemed he was nitpicking the littlest things
Particularly the lag issue with the web browser, which i didn't really notice in other review videos
And i am disappointed he didnt take the price into account for the score
I'm not sure about that review - A few things he is correct about and I'd like to see (like a notification light system) but other issues are clearly software related and sped will improve dramatically over the next month or so (I don't actually find it slow).
I have the Asus, the iPad 1 and the NI ADAM, and it is the ASUS I go to. For outdoor viewing I'd use the ADAM but all the other tablets are too reflective unless a matte screen protector is installed, so I don't know why he makes a fuss about it on the Asus.
Just read the review. Agree with most of what they say about it. The camera app isnt good, I get bad fps in videos too. Yes, it's a reflective screen, but then all tablets i've seen are the same. I disagree on the UI responsiveness though. Feels better than the ipad, and i've not had a problem launching apps or clicking on things. I can't comment on the keyboard dock obviously. Yeah it's not a perfect device but then there won't ever be one. There's meant to be a fota update out tomorrow so we'll see what it fixes.
8/10 from me for just the tablet part. Possible 9/10 if the keyboard dock is as they say.
Most if not all of the concerns in that review were regarding software issues.
The UI doesn't lag consistently, for example, the music and gallery apps are both silky smooth and responsive, but the browser struggles quite a bit and the home screen can't keep up if you add too many widgets.
The Asus on screen keyboard does also add a stupid amount of lag, and the camera software is embarrassingly bad.
The good news however is that most, if not all of this stuff should be fixed with a few updates.
flipao said:
Most if not all of the concerns in that review were regarding software issues.
The UI doesn't lag consistently, for example, the music and gallery apps are both silky smooth and responsive, but the browser struggles quite a bit and the home screen can't keep up if you add too many widgets.
The Asus on screen keyboard does also add a stupid amount of lag, and the camera software is embarrassingly bad.
The good news however is that most, if not all of this stuff should be fixed with a few updates.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well then looks like I'll be waiting for a few updates before buying then . Keyboard and browser lag on a tablet is unacceptable imo
I did notice that the guy obviously doesn't know that much about Android. For example, the reason that you can't kill apps from the multitasking menu is that you don't need to - Android manages this itself.
Also, it seems like he was reviewing a pre-release model. Things like his comment on the lack of scrollpad multitouch were directly contradicting reports from those who have actually bought the device.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA Premium App
killermojo said:
Well then looks like I'll be waiting for a few updates before buying then . Keyboard and browser lag on a tablet is unacceptable imo
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If I remember informations from users of Transformer that I read both issues are easy to avoid right now. Keyboard: use different one. Browser: use different one. Done.
It also bugs me in general when people refer to it as a "multitasking menu." It's not--it's a recent apps menu. It'll show an app in the list even if it's no longer actually running, and it's not meant to be a complete list of all running apps.
I clarified my position on engadget reviews two times in the comments below the review. Just look for my name
I can't stand their way of nagging on little things on the one device (as long as it runs Android) and turn a blind eye on it on other devices (as long as they run iOS). I'm not especially an Apple-hater, it's more the general way Engadget reviews without hard facts, their reviews are more a personal opinion instead of a professional review. I would be ok with that when they wouldn't give a rating that will influence potential customers.
wynand32 said:
It also bugs me in general when people refer to it as a "multitasking menu." It's not--it's a recent apps menu.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sorry! Couldn't think what else to call it!
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA Premium App
I don't know if i can call that Engadget "Review" a Review? So many things left out from it, Things i would of loved to see them show in the Review were.
1.Google Maps (GPS)
2.Polaris office
3.Flash in different websites other than that flash whore Engadget.
4.Asus own apps (DNLA etc)
5.The Keyboard SD slot shown working at the same time with the Micro?
I really hate that they always want to compare it to the Ipad 2 when clearly the apple device lacks gps, flash, and other things but gets praised by the media. the problem i find with that is that is that other websites do the same.
I for one dont care if the camera is buggy because its fixable with an update,i Rather have a working SD slot than a perfect camera its not like im gonna be taking pictures and videos with the tablet. Also when are people going to care that much about pinch to zoom being as "fast" as the ipad? for me as long as it works thats it i hardly use it, i always double tap to zoom in.
Im no expert but i expect the Iphone 4/ Ipad 2 to have fast scrolling left and right i mean it doesnt need to use any real horsepower to draw on screen to those cutesy little blocks on their homescreen called apps when in Honeycomb3.0 you have lots of things happening everything from widgets, notifications, the transitions 3D esque i mean those little things should not really affect the user experience i for one can't wait for this tablet in the us.
It's Engadget, what did you expect?
They have a CLEAR bias towards Apple products. I love how they mention (amongst other things) "the proprietary connector" as being bad. And Apple uses a standard micro USB port on their devices? Right...and they don't say anything when they review these products.
Of the issues they found:
camera lag - yep it's there.
reflective screen - yes, but not as bad as they claim (I use it outside and don't have issues unless I aim the screen to deliberately reflect the sun).
browser lag - not for me. If I scroll as fast as I can on engadget I can get it to stutter a tiny bit, but not as bad as in their video.
Browser zoom issues - no issues for me on most websites - engadget is the buggiest one but that site is so poorly written it can lock my firefox up if left open for a while. As for the incorrect rendering of pages I've not seen it on any site...
Laggy keyboard - yeah the asus one is a little laggy. Switching to the honeycomb stock one instantly fixes that problem though.
Input lag - I laughed at this - it is not lag, but an elasticity effect on moving icons and the unlock button. Basically a deliberate UI effect
Unresponsive touches - I don't get this. Maybe they're holding it wrong
The review failed to look at the quality of the speakers in the transformer, probably as they're pretty good srs surround speakers and the ipad only has a mono speaker which isn't very good, so I won't expect them to cover the speaker quality until the ipad gets better speakers. They also didn't review video chat (again, because a 1.2MP camera would destroy the ipad 2's vga), nor did they look at productivity apps like polaris.
anyone here with the keyboard dock can confirm the problems with the usb and sd slot not working and need to be reboot. also their problem with the tablet not sensing its disconnected with the dock and not allowing the tablet keyboard to load?
also anyone know how much memory can the keyboard dock hold? can you plug in two usb sticks and a sd card at the same time?
I'm glad they mentioned the things they did, hopefully Google/Asus will take note and get them sorted.
Has anyone got the keyboard dock yet, appart from journos? Don't think I've heard of any...
I also like how he states that the touchpad doesn't have multi-touch....when it does.
Horrible review.
Nickedynick said:
I did notice that the guy obviously doesn't know that much about Android. For example, the reason that you can't kill apps from the multitasking menu is that you don't need to - Android manages this itself.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I know they say that, but I don't buy it on the phones - I find I do need to kill apps.
And the reason for some stutter and lag is exactly because the system tries to do something fails and then gets rid of an app in memory and tries again.
review from homeland of transformer, also done by engadget, chinese engagdet
they have a lot more information on the asus and acer tablets
http://translate.google.com/transla...ansformer-detail/&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8
Q & A about the tablet
http://translate.google.com/transla...gadget.com/2011/04/09/25-asus-transformer-qa/
Got the 16 gb transformer (black seal) and dock (green seal) yesterday at best buy. Here's my thoughts after 24 hrs of use:
1) Form, build and quality are fine, however I think the Sammy 10.1 clearly wins this category.
2) Docking is a bit of a hassel at first but not bad once used to it.
3) This tab overall is sluggish and unrefined. Playing ANY flash video is a joke. HBO GO is not supported, and trying to play it in a desktop browser (dolphin hd) won't work as flash is broken on the TF. In other words, this tab barely works for my normal web usage.
4) Typing lag in browsers is beyond a joke. It's basically unusable. I am typing this on my TF with keyboard dock and it is taking forever. Google shoud be embarrased to release an OS and tab touted so highly that is basically unusuable if one wants to actually ENTER TEXT at all.
5) Most everthing else so far is fine. I use a Droid X (rooted, OC'd) and it is a ten times better experience. Honeycomb and Asus have a lot of refining to do on this tab.
Normally my posts and thoughts would be much more well put but I am stopping here as there is no way my brain can think as slow as this thing enters text in browsers. Chances are high that I will be returning this tab before my 14 day return window at best buy. I may give the Sammy 10.1 a try as most of these issues are not evident, or not as bad on that unit. I liked it better overall anyway except for the lack of a simple micro sd card slot.
again sorry for my sloppy sounding post, but that's what happens at 2 seconds per text input speeds.
Have you updated to 3.1? Flash for me works perfectly. No lag.
Here I am able to type a reply via Opera mini with very little input lag in the browser. Of course, Opera mini is not the full browser but I guess it's at least useable.
To further my thoughts, the TF is a sexy unit with the keyboard dock making this into what looks like a netbook killer. My belief is that this dockable form factor will continue to be very popular, and it is the main reason i chose this over the Sammy 10.1, which also has a keyboard dock, but not one nearly as convenient nor one with a battery in the dock.
Other things I will mention is that I do have some bleeding on the left edge and bottom of the display. This to me I could overlook as it is only really noticeable in certain low light situations. However, it really isn't something that should be acceptable. The speakers I find adequate. Loading apps via market or sideloading via micro sd has been a breeze. Battery life has seemed very good - too good as I am at almost 5 hours unplugged (full charge on both dock and tab) and it is somehow showing 99% left! Not possible..... but if true I will ecstatic.
I should mention that I have installed the firmware upgrade that asus pushed to my unit for the dock, however I have not been able to force-push the 3.1 update so I am still on 3.01. However, from reading this and several other TF forums I do not think the main issues with this unit (or honeycomb on this unit) have been addressed with 3.1. Who knows if or when the main issues will be addressed successfully. If Asus is reading these forums hopefully they will realize that these issues are extreme enough to drive customers to other companies products. I have had an Asus laptop (g73jh) and it had some inherent keyboard issues that never were fixed and I ended up selling that laptop because of it. I will give this unit the 14 days I have to return to best buy, but I have doubts these problems are addessed by then. I hope they are because this tab has the potential to be very nice otherwise.
zephiK said:
Have you updated to 3.1? Flash for me works perfectly. No lag.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have not yet, and probably will soon. I have been trying to force-push the update to the unit but so far no luck. I would also like to root, and will probably use the true-root version of 3.1, athough I do not think that wil have any positive effect on the problems plaguing it currently. I do use several root apps though and if I keep the unit I will definitely root it.
I've never had problems with flash (I updated to 3.1 like an hour after I opened the box).
I use flash all the time and do not have any major issues, I use dolphin HD and it works fine including typing.
Even before the update to 3.1,it was not as bad as the OP has mentioned with the exception of the typing lag.
To say you have no lag with flash I don't believe, everybody does, every tablet that has flash capability has some lag with flash, I've used a few so I know. The TF especially has lag with flash video because it was found the it's not using hardware decoding so it's very choppy. This should be easily fixed with an update soon hopefully by either Asus or Adobe whichever one is the cause.
The lag is there for me only when in full-screen mode. When you play flash in a window - there's no lag. As soon as you go 720p full screen - lag ensues.
Its certainly encouraging to hear some feedback from people who dont seem to be having much for flash or browser typing issues. In reading several different forums it is definitely a problem that quite a few are having however. At least I am able to type at a somewhat reasonable speed to what it should be using Opera Mini. That to me is still a bandaid fix to the problem however. I will be updating to 3.1 tomorrow so I will report on if there are any positive changes after that.
On a very positive note, the battery life is looking to be amazing IF the battery percentage in the notification bar is at all accurate. After a little over 8 hours I am still at 80%, have been docked almost the entire time. Plenty of use during that time including web browsing, download and installs and quite a bit of game playing. Going to let it run almost to zero to see how long this thing will go.
obscurenetworks said:
The lag is there for me only when in full-screen mode. When you play flash in a window - there's no lag. As soon as you go 720p full screen - lag ensues.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I experience bad flash in ever browser I have tried, and when testing speeds via youtube, it was in the single digits. Certainly strange that some have units that perform so much better than others in this area.
teegunn said:
I experience bad flash in ever browser I have tried, and when testing speeds via youtube, it was in the single digits. Certainly strange that some have units that perform so much better than others in this area.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's not that some units perform better, they don't, it's just everybody's perception of smooth/choppy is their own so in some people's eyes they don't have a problem with it so it's fine, or they could just not have actually tried 720P+ flash videos in a browser
I'm not saying videos are all unplayable, but 720P+ flash videos in the browsers are choppy for everybody, HTML5 ones are fine, and this is because apparently flash video isn't using hardware decoding but should be. 720P videos in the Youtube app or playing from the transformer with video players works great. I think we will eventually see a fix for htis, hopefully sooner than later.
teegunn said:
Its certainly encouraging to hear some feedback from people who dont seem to be having much for flash or browser typing issues. In reading several different forums it is definitely a problem that quite a few are having however. At least I am able to type at a somewhat reasonable speed to what it should be using Opera Mini. That to me is still a bandaid fix to the problem however. I will be updating to 3.1 tomorrow so I will report on if there are any positive changes after that.
On a very positive note, the battery life is looking to be amazing IF the battery percentage in the notification bar is at all accurate. After a little over 8 hours I am still at 80%, have been docked almost the entire time. Plenty of use during that time including web browsing, download and installs and quite a bit of game playing. Going to let it run almost to zero to see how long this thing will go.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
after you update to 3.1, you'll see much better performance.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App
Anyone with a Transformer has a poor flash experience. Playing a video below 360p is perfect. If anyone says they have no lag with flash on the T101 has an awful sense of frames per second.
darkonex said:
It's not that some units perform better, they don't, it's just everybody's perception of smooth/choppy is their own so in some people's eyes they don't have a problem with it so it's fine, or they could just not have actually tried 720P+ flash videos in a browser
I'm not saying videos are all unplayable, but 720P+ flash videos in the browsers are choppy for everybody, HTML5 ones are fine, and this is because apparently flash video isn't using hardware decoding but should be. 720P videos in the Youtube app or playing from the transformer with video players works great. I think we will eventually see a fix for htis, hopefully sooner than later.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Im going to have to disagree with you here. Flash is so bad on my unit, and apparently on others TF's that something more than just perception differences is going on imho. BTW, I was getting low single digits on 360p setting on the youtube test. Literally like watching a very slow picture flip book, and that is being quite generous to be honest. Flash is broken on the TF - at least MY TF, and from the sounds of it for others also.
On a good note, I am still at over 50% on my battery levels, and I have been unpluggd for 13 hours now. It did sit idle for maybe 4 or 5 hours during that time, but was also used heavily while on. I
believe that the battery meter in the notification bar does not start to clock down until most of the battery has been used in the dock. At least that's my theory for why it took so long for the meter to even dip below 100%. So on my unit, I do not think the dock is draining extra when closed.
I go days without charging with very light usage. Maybe 1-2 hours per day. My TF will go at least 2 days without charging. I'm on Prime 1.5 (Android 3.1).
I've not had lag (but I use dolphin hd). I did have trouble with the included youtube app. It tended to freeze if I pause, but I haven't had trouble with youtube in dolphin.
teegunn said:
Got the 16 gb transformer (black seal) and dock (green seal) yesterday at best buy. Here's my thoughts after 24 hrs of use:
1) Form, build and quality are fine, however I think the Sammy 10.1 clearly wins this category.
2) Docking is a bit of a hassel at first but not bad once used to it.
3) This tab overall is sluggish and unrefined. Playing ANY flash video is a joke. HBO GO is not supported, and trying to play it in a desktop browser (dolphin hd) won't work as flash is broken on the TF. In other words, this tab barely works for my normal web usage.
4) Typing lag in browsers is beyond a joke. It's basically unusable. I am typing this on my TF with keyboard dock and it is taking forever. Google shoud be embarrased to release an OS and tab touted so highly that is basically unusuable if one wants to actually ENTER TEXT at all.
5) Most everthing else so far is fine. I use a Droid X (rooted, OC'd) and it is a ten times better experience. Honeycomb and Asus have a lot of refining to do on this tab.
Normally my posts and thoughts would be much more well put but I am stopping here as there is no way my brain can think as slow as this thing enters text in browsers. Chances are high that I will be returning this tab before my 14 day return window at best buy. I may give the Sammy 10.1 a try as most of these issues are not evident, or not as bad on that unit. I liked it better overall anyway except for the lack of a simple micro sd card slot.
again sorry for my sloppy sounding post, but that's what happens at 2 seconds per text input speeds.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I run magnus' custom rom and installed the hulufied version of flash 10.3 and i use my stock browser(chrome)to watch hulu and it plays just fine,but in full screen mode its has very little lag,but of course i have my tab set to 140000GHZ,which makes it play smoother.Overall after 7 days of having this tab,i'm very happy with it,no returns here,this thing has alot of future possibilities.
About flash videos :
Youtube with desktop user agent 720p => LAG LAG LAG even on 480p
Youtube with tablet user agent => youtube tablet mobile website form factor => 1080p LAGLESS
So use tablet user agent on youtube and it plays fine, dunno why but whatever.
epicfailguy2 said:
About flash videos :
Youtube with desktop user agent 720p => LAG LAG LAG even on 480p
Youtube with tablet user agent => youtube tablet mobile website form factor => 1080p LAGLESS
So use tablet user agent on youtube and it plays fine, dunno why but whatever.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am using the tablet user agent too, dolphin HD browser and don't seem to have much trouble with flash so I think epicfallguy has got a very good point here.
The user agent for those who don't know can be selected from your browser settings.
Perfectly smooth scrolling web pages are something that I've become accustomed to with the Ipad's I've had while waiting for a decent Android tablet. I thought the Nexus 10 would finally offer the smoothness of the Ipad with 4.2 and the awesome Exynos processor. Sadly, I can't find a browser that is nearly as smooth as Safari on the Ipad. I tried every browser I could find in the Market and even rooted and installed the AOSP browser. The AOSP browser is the best, but on image heavy sites, it still stutters.
Am I the only one that is bothered by this?
Why can the Nexus 10 run graphic heavy games at 30-40 fps but can't render a damn webpage with static graphics smoothly?
Also, I've found quite a few apps don't have smooth scrolling, but I suspect poor coding is causing the issue on them, even though knowing the cause doesn't help that that they are still inferior to their Ipad counterparts.
I don't want to go back to an Ipad! Will custom ROMs, kernels and OCing smooth it out?
The reason certain browsers including Chrome "stutter" is because of how it's coded. I've been using boat browser and I have no stutter issues or smoothness problems. Which other browsers have you tried other than aosp browser?
Sent from my Nexus 10 using xda app-developers app
I don't think browsers are optimized for the Nexus 10 or Android 4.2 just yet, hell, I don't think 4.2 or the Nexus 10 drivers are fully optimized at this time, but what I'm seeing of Dolphin and Boat Browser in the following video is pretty darn good, skip to 10 and 20 minutes.
Performance issues on this tablet are very likely software optimization issues and will be fixed eventually. Don't believe all the bad press that makes up stuff as they go along by saying the Exynos chip can't handle the resolution. That's garbage, and shows a pretty big misunderstanding of the processor/GPU. What amazes me is that even major tech sites with people who should know what they are talking about are saying it, and it drives me nuts.
The tablet has been out for less than a week. Developers need time to catch up, including Google with Chrome. If you look at the history of Nexus devices, they have always shipped with software issues, including very blatant issues that should have been fixed before release. The beauty of owning a Nexus however is that bug fixes come right from Google...no waiting on an OEM to deliver them.
A lot of the same issues were leveled against the Nexus 7, and after a couple of OTAs things have been greatly improved, and now everyone loves that tablet. Give it time. Things will get better.
MMcCraryNJ said:
Performance issues on this tablet are very likely software optimization issues and will be fixed eventually. Don't believe all the bad press that makes up stuff as they go along by saying the Exynos chip can't handle the resolution. That's garbage, and shows a pretty big misunderstanding of the processor/GPU. What amazes me is that even major tech sites with people who should know what they are talking about are saying it, and it drives me nuts.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Google is partially to blame, they handed out a pre-release stuttery models to reviewers after all. Things are better since the 13th update, but Chome is still doing the Nexus 10 a great disservice. Let's see how sites such as GSM and PhoneArena who patiently waited for the final model judge it, I think it's safe to say first impressions mean a lot, and they are testing units with fresh SW, multi-user accounts and performance improvements out of the box. Of course, as you said, there's plenty of performance still to come, and I can't wait to get mine!
johno86 said:
The reason certain browsers including Chrome "stutter" is because of how it's coded. I've been using boat browser and I have no stutter issues or smoothness problems. Which other browsers have you tried other than aosp browser?
Sent from my Nexus 10 using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the rationale responses so far. Google is really shooting themselves in the foot with the lack of polish on Chrome, Android, etc. They are doing well overall, but just think of how good they could be doing with a few improvments to user experience here and there! Hire the programmers to make it happen Google!
I tried the Boat Browser and it was decent but not buttery smooth like Safari on the Ipad. I'll reinstall it and post a youtube video of the stutter tonight when I get home.
Boat Browser is the best. Safari might be a bit smoother but that is because you can't scroll as fast as Boat and Dolphin. Scroll it at the same speed for both if your hands is steady enough to slow scroll boat and you will see it is the same ****.
Don't let the i-tricks fool you by hiding stutter with animation and masking page load speeds with both a load bar and a background image loading spin wheel.
Also, after using some of the features on Boat, such as the screen shot and auto scroll top of the page or bottom of the page touch icon, you will never use another browser.
Have you tried Dolphin with Dolphin Jetpack addon? Just make sure you turn on jetpack in Dolphin setting. It's off by default.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk 2
Chrome sucks. End of story. But it's not like the iPad is perfect either. I just browsed on my sisters iPad 4. It was quite a nice experience, I can't deny that, but there was some tiny lag on sites like Engadget and Android police
Sent from my HTC One S using xda app-developers app
slide83 said:
Thanks for the rationale responses so far. Google is really shooting themselves in the foot with the lack of polish on Chrome, Android, etc. They are doing well overall, but just think of how good they could be doing with a few improvments to user experience here and there! Hire the programmers to make it happen Google!
I tried the Boat Browser and it was decent but not buttery smooth like Safari on the Ipad. I'll reinstall it and post a youtube video of the stutter tonight when I get home.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't think you'll see Android be as smooth as iOS anytime soon. They are fundamentally different architectures and I think Google will likely stick with what they have in Android and wait for the hardware to catch up. Hardware was finally catching up starting with this generation but the large jump in resolution presents a *slight* setback in performance.
9 times out of 10 Jellybean is smooth enough for me. It is much better than it was in the past.
As for Chrome:
Like I've stated before, most of the development effort going into Chrome for Android for the last 6 months has been to upstream and open the source code rather than on performance and bugs. This is why Android is still on Chrome 18 while other platforms are on 24. There are several bug fixes that we'll get once they release Chrome 24 or 25 for Android, including a bug that makes Chrome laggy to scroll busy webpages.
Once Chrome is fully upstreamed, which looks like it might be for Chrome 25, it will then also be fully open source. This means we have make our own builds and do it as frequently as we want. Additionally, it is likely that we will see a much faster pace of development for Chrome as well.
slide83 said:
Thanks for the rationale responses so far. Google is really shooting themselves in the foot with the lack of polish on Chrome, Android, etc. They are doing well overall, but just think of how good they could be doing with a few improvments to user experience here and there! Hire the programmers to make it happen Google!
I tried the Boat Browser and it was decent but not buttery smooth like Safari on the Ipad. I'll reinstall it and post a youtube video of the stutter tonight when I get home.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
As others have said, software optimization is key. The biggest issue is that they are dealing with a new SoC, so there is more involved than just CPU and GPU coding. Almost all Android hardware has been Tegra so far, so that code is certainly mature at this point. Comparisons at this stage can be unreasonable in some cases. While the Exynos 4 series has been in use in the Note 10.1, but the 5250 has a new core -- the A15, which no one has experience with AFAIK -- new GPU, new memory architecture... Also, it's possible that Samsung wrote the drivers for the Note 10.1 while Google is taking responsibility for the N10.
So, my point is twofold:
Firmware development for this platform is at an early stage of maturity.
Optimization will be complex and won't be as easy as writing a few simple patches.
I think it will take some time for this new platform to reach its potential. The early adopters, as always, will have to be patient. I hope that gives you some reassurance that your N10 will still meet or exceed your expectations... in time.
slide83 said:
Perfectly smooth scrolling web pages are something that I've become accustomed to with the Ipad's I've had while waiting for a decent Android tablet. I thought the Nexus 10 would finally offer the smoothness of the Ipad with 4.2 and the awesome Exynos processor. Sadly, I can't find a browser that is nearly as smooth as Safari on the Ipad. I tried every browser I could find in the Market and even rooted and installed the AOSP browser. The AOSP browser is the best, but on image heavy sites, it still stutters.
Am I the only one that is bothered by this?
Why can the Nexus 10 run graphic heavy games at 30-40 fps but can't render a damn webpage with static graphics smoothly?
Also, I've found quite a few apps don't have smooth scrolling, but I suspect poor coding is causing the issue on them, even though knowing the cause doesn't help that that they are still inferior to their Ipad counterparts.
I don't want to go back to an Ipad! Will custom ROMs, kernels and OCing smooth it out?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have been an Android user for two years and in my honest opinion this is as good as it gets with it. There is something historically wrong with the core of Android where a game like Modern Combat 3 can look as smooth as silk, but browsing just feels like its being pushed to its limit.
A friend of mine this week bought himself a 32GB Nexus 7. I rushed round to have a play and was disappointed when trying out Chrome and Opera Mobile with these XDA forums. The Nexus 7 sported a quad-core processor and still browsing at times felt awkward and reluctant. It looked like the framerate wasn't right or the resolution was too much to handle. And that's with the latest update to Jelly Bean.
I did raise a similar issue with my Galaxy Tab 2 7" here and before anyone beheads me I had already flashed it with CM9 final. As I stated NOVA 3 was slick as oil, but browsing with Stock Browser, Opera Mobile and Chrome was making my eyes jump like mad. It looked like Chrome was trying to get around it by only rendering half the screen and then a split second later displaying the rest.
My niece's iPad 2 really impressed me when browsing on the XDA forums. The same pages I browsed on the Nexus 7 were scrolling as good as on a PC. Any comment that Android browsers scroll faster and therefore make the iPad look smoother is full of it. It was fast and it was smooth.
This will be last journey with Android. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna turn into an Apple user and get mugged off by paying ridiculous prices for a piece of their overinflated kit. My current smartphone and tablet will be with me for the next few years to come as the wow factor with all these mobile devices is disappearing, I'm afraid.
Easiest fix is ocean browser. Till they work out the kinks of chrome mobile/tablet version.
Also anyone saying safari on the ipads don't stutter are wrong they certainly do, perhaps not as often as chrome but it does happen. We use the gen 3's at work.
However to say there wasn't any conceivable improvement from Donut to JB I do find strange as I certainly did.
slide83 said:
Perfectly smooth scrolling web pages are something that I've become accustomed to with the Ipad's I've had while waiting for a decent Android tablet. I thought the Nexus 10 would finally offer the smoothness of the Ipad with 4.2 and the awesome Exynos processor. Sadly, I can't find a browser that is nearly as smooth as Safari on the Ipad. I tried every browser I could find in the Market and even rooted and installed the AOSP browser. The AOSP browser is the best, but on image heavy sites, it still stutters.
Am I the only one that is bothered by this?
Why can the Nexus 10 run graphic heavy games at 30-40 fps but can't render a damn webpage with static graphics smoothly?
Also, I've found quite a few apps don't have smooth scrolling, but I suspect poor coding is causing the issue on them, even though knowing the cause doesn't help that that they are still inferior to their Ipad counterparts.
I don't want to go back to an Ipad! Will custom ROMs, kernels and OCing smooth it out?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
totally agree. for something that has great specs, its dissapointing to see it stutter when loading webpages. my ipad had lower specs compared to this and it was smoother by a mile than the nexus. i think thats the trade off for buying sometor buying something about to Mike about you can talk to my phone but they hired mejust too ****ing hi Billy.
okay the last part was typed using the voice and it sucks too.lol
Chrome currently really has its problems, but keep in mind that as dalingrin said, the mobile chrome version is 18 while the desktop version sits at 23. So there has been a lot of effort put into porting everything from desktop to android rather than bugfixing and polishing. The android version will catch up early next year: http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...s-including-android-starting-early-next-year/
In the meantime I recommend using the android stock browser. Its extremly fast and fluid and even supports flash.
I'm sure I'm not the only one having issues with this game on the 6p. At least a quarter of the time I start the game, it freezes and eventually crashes when the first car shows up. At least half the time, the sound is off enough that I mute it. A lot of times, the game is jittery, sometimes to the point I have to force close and restart. I was dealing with it, but then I played it on an iPhone and was shocked at how much faster it loaded and how smooth it played. That is hard for me to say, not being an Apple fan.
Is there anything others have done to minimize these issues? Or, is this just how it is on these phones. I did try searching for answers, but couldn't find anything related to the 6p and RR3. Honestly, I think my old Note 3 handed it better, which makes me think that maybe I wasted my money.
I appreciate any help,
mmmbusby
mmmbusby said:
I'm sure I'm not the only one having issues with this game on the 6p. At least a quarter of the time I start the game, it freezes and eventually crashes when the first car shows up. At least half the time, the sound is off enough that I mute it. A lot of times, the game is jittery, sometimes to the point I have to force close and restart. I was dealing with it, but then I played it on an iPhone and was shocked at how much faster it loaded and how smooth it played. That is hard for me to say, not being an Apple fan.
Is there anything others have done to minimize these issues? Or, is this just how it is on these phones. I did try searching for answers, but couldn't find anything related to the 6p and RR3. Honestly, I think my old Note 3 handed it better, which makes me think that maybe I wasted my money.
I appreciate any help,
mmmbusby
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
iPhone comparison isn't fair... There's like 5 currently used different iPhones vs. thousands of different Android devices. Optimizations are hard to be done for every single phone. RR3 may not even be optimized for 6.0.1. And we don't the resolutions that the game runs on a different phones...
That being said, for me RR3 lags when I enter race which has many players on it.
Guys, I'm soooo close to buying this phone.
But then I saw this:
https://youtu.be/AXF-J-zCKQM?t=420
In this video, the Axon 7 behaves pretty much identical to my galaxy S5: Instead of re-opening apps at exactly the same point/states where exited, most apps either reload from start (e.g. Youtube, Speedtest) or take significantly longer to open compared to the OP3, which manages the switch instantly.
Can you please check if Multitasking has improved at all compared to the video?
And when switching back to Chrome or Youtube from other apps, does the page usually reload for you or does it pick up where you left it?
I really need your honest feedback, as this is a deal breaker for me if app switching is still like in the video. It's one of the things I passionately hate about my Galaxy S5 and I definitely don't want a phone which despite 4gb RAM cant properly keep apps in a suspended state.
My phone does fine with keeping apps in memory and picking up where they left off.
I don't have the phone yet, but from what I know, that's the Chinese model of the A7 running the Chinese ROM which is more bloated than the ROM on the US version.
Also, the reviewer is incorrect in his statement that the 6GB of RAM is the reason for the OP3's speed performance, as the OP3 doesn't actually use all of it's RAM out of the box without kernel modification.
I am aware that the 6GB Ram doesn't make a difference in real life.
Regarding the bloatware point, well if I install 10-15 apps after getting the phone, it will have the same effect as having the phone with pre-installed bloatware.
If the phone then becomes like this, its definitely an issue for me.
Can please anybody else chime in on this topic?
The A2017G with Software B03 does it nearly like the phone in the video.
It takes a few moments to restore the app. I think it takes longer if the app was opened long time ago.
The last ~5 apps are much faster to restore and they restore at the same state.
When I reopen a app that was opened long time ago, e.g. Google Chrome, than it reloads the website or restarts the app.
Keiler90 said:
The A2017G with Software B03 does it nearly like the phone in the video.
It takes a few moments to restore the app. I think it takes longer if the app was opened long time ago.
The last ~5 apps are much faster to restore and they restore at the same state.
When I reopen a app that was opened long time ago, e.g. Google Chrome, than it reloads the website or restarts the app.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks a lot for your input, exactly the info I needed.
Seems like this phone is a bit too aggressive in killing apps that haven't been used for more than a few minutes
Yeah, the ZTE software definitely has its downsides and quirks in many respects. Memory management and killing apps is one of them. Really looking forward to a fully working CM rom.
No, my phone does not act like this at all.
My phone multitasks just like the oneplus 3 in that video.
xxBrun0xx said:
My phone multitasks just like the oneplus 3 in that video.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Have many open though (10+ apps) and see if it reacts the same. Most of mine open instantly like you state but a few loaded just like on the video. It must be a "most recently" thing it seems. Honestly, I didn't notice it until watching this vid. I mean you're talking seconds if not milliseconds and that's not even for every recently open app only some. As a ex-iphone user (iphone 6+) I can say that the Axon 7 is much more responsive but unfortunately that's all I have to go off of. I watched many reviews as well as this one before I bought this phone. Even on the Verizon network I've been very happy with my purchase and it's half the price of most flagship phones.
not sure if this question belongs here... if not please move or delete it.
can the Axon 7 play high-bitrate 1080p videos... for example, both my Note5 and LG G4 can play 40mbps to 60mbps 1080p videos just fine(movies that I ripped from Blu-ray). However, my spare phone, the Nexus 5X can't cope with it.
Thanks!
It's 2016 and I just can't be bothered with a phone that reloads an entire webpage or youtube video because i have been using some other app for the past 30min. Every single android I have had so far had this behaviour and it's effectively ruining the experience for me.
Example: I'm at the gym, reading an internet page between sets. I read on a site, then do my set, switch to my training logging app, maybe go on youtube real quickly, then switch to the music player app and maybe also write a text in whatsapp. I finish my next set and while resting I switch back to chrome. It's been roughly 5min and the entire page is reloading from scratch.
This is just an example, and it could be 30min with several more apps in between, but you get my idea.
My spider senses are telling my that the same troubles await with the axon 7. I know it has nothing to do with 4Gb ram, but with how the OS is managing the background apps and processes.
I'm surprised there's no other reviews in this regard. All the reviews just say meaningless platitudes like "4gb of RAM is plenty so it should perform awesomely with multitasking", but then fail to actually test for this claim
Vipeout said:
It's 2016 and I just can't be bothered with a phone that reloads an entire webpage or youtube video because i have been using some other app for the past 30min. Every single android I have had so far had this behaviour and it's effectively ruining the experience for me.
Example: I'm at the gym, reading an internet page between sets. I read on a site, then do my set, switch to my training logging app, maybe go on youtube real quickly, then switch to the music player app and maybe also write a text in whatsapp. I finish my next set and while resting I switch back to chrome. It's been roughly 5min and the entire page is reloading from scratch.
This is just an example, and it could be 30min with several more apps in between, but you get my idea.
My spider senses are telling my that the same troubles await with the axon 7. I know it has nothing to do with 4Gb ram, but with how the OS is managing the background apps and processes.
I'm surprised there's no other reviews in this regard. All the reviews just say meaningless platitudes like "4gb of RAM is plenty so it should perform awesomely with multitasking", but then fail to actually test for this claim
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Solution: iPhones. (sad but true)
I love Android phones, but sometimes I wonder if the Google/Android engineers actually use the mobile OS they designed.
centerwaters said:
Solution: iPhones. (sad but true)
I love Android phones, but sometimes I wonder if the Google/Android engineers actually use the mobile OS they designed.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Indeed, correct and sad but true. Last time I had a phone that could seamlessly switch between apps without reloading anything was my iPhone 3S *smh*