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Screen Colour Vibrancy

Anyone else disappointed with the vibrancy of the colours on the Nexus 7? My phone is a Galaxy S II running CM9 with colour temperature calibration done via Fluxi kernel, and side by side comparisons of the Play Store splash page, as an example, really shame the Nexus 7. I know sAMOLED can account for certain differences but I was wondering if anyone knew of any way to colour calibrate the Nexus' screen?

I agree. The colors are a bit washed out and not calibrated correctly. Hopefully an update soon will fix this or at least have an option on the setting menu.
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For me, setting brightness manually made a big difference. Out of box, it was flat and dull and boring. Comparing colors to my Viewsonic IPS monitor, seem pretty close.

comparing amoled to ips is silly. amoled is much better.
my galaxy nexus looks better but i don't plan to spend much time holding them side by side.

You can't get an IPS screen to have the same color vibrancy as a Super AMOLED.
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How does it compare with the ipad?

thekillingtree said:
comparing amoled to ips is silly. amoled is much better.
my galaxy nexus looks better but i don't plan to spend much time holding them side by side.
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Much better at what? Because the One X display is better than my S3
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I agree, the screen makes video look really washed out, especially compared to the One X or good quality PC screens. I hope there will be a software to mitigate this issue.

Yes compare to my galaxy note... its wash out. But is very sharp no complaint for $200 vs $700 galaxy note
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Screen?

Coming from a Galaxy Nexus, my main concern is - How are the black levels gonna be? I absolutely LOVE SuperAMOLED - Mainly, the blacks - I LOVE THEM and I'm sure many other users do. I don't know if the LG's black levels are gonna be as good or better? Does anything know that?
I have a choice to jump from the Gnex to the Nex4 but if the screen's black levels aren't as good - I probably won't.
What's your opinion about the screen?

Go look at a One X, it'll be similar to that (which is SO much better than the GNex screen - IPS ftw!!)

Yeah but the black levels

It definitely won't be as good. The question is, will it be good enough.
The apparent high end screen on my laptop has a rubbish black level. So I'm also hoping the Nexus 10 has good blacks, so I can use that for media instead.

But did you look at the Htc One X screen, or atleast youtube it?
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Yeah I've used the One X a lot of times and I'm not impressed at all. The color reproduction is good but the black levels don't amaze me, at all. I feel that my nexus' screen is much better than the OneX (Just my opinion, don't pounce on me)

With AMOLED, the blacks are black because the led's are switched off, it doesn't try make the colour "Black".
LCD screens do not do this. So blacks will be grey, but colours and viewing angles WILL be better. Another thing, AMOLED is a battery drain with anything other than the colour black.

OLED screens will always have darker blacks than LCDs. That's just due to the nature of how each type of screen technology works.

I very much know how AMOLED works. Guess the blacks won't be that good on the Nex4. :| Hard decision to make now :\

arzbhatia said:
I very much know how AMOLED works. Guess the blacks won't be that good on the Nex4. :| Hard decision to make now :\
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But your question meant that you don't. If you know this, then you should know about LCD too...

arzbhatia said:
I very much know how AMOLED works. Guess the blacks won't be that good on the Nex4. :| Hard decision to make now :\
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They will probably be as good as any IPS LCD on the market. LG makes very good smartphone displays, including iPhone 4/4S/5 displays.

Just look at the present ips screen on the LG top model phones, i'm sure the nexus 4 will be similar.

The blacks will not be the same as others mentioned but it's a tradeoff. Super amoleds have good contrast and blacks but the ips lcd's I've seen had better color accuracy and sharper images. I like amoleds but the whites and other colors aren't that good and the brightness isn't high enough for my taste. I look forward to seeing the n4 up close
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I have mixed feelings as well regarding the screen of the new Nexus 4. I also own a Galaxy Nexus, and aside from the black levels, there is another area where the AMOLED screens shine: motion handling. LCDs tend to blur images in fast motion, motion resolution isn't usually very good. This is very noticeable when watching action films or sports, for example.
However, AMOLED screens are very fast thus their motion handling is on par (or even better than) with plasmas, which gives you crisp and clear images even when moving (blur ocurring depending on the shooting conditions but that's a whole different story).
So, to summarize the differences between the screens:
- The screen of the Nexus 4 will be slightly clearer, the pentile matrix used in the AMOLED screen makes it slightly more "blurry", although due to its high pixel density that's usually hard to see.
- The screen of the Galaxy Nexus has perfect blacks, the screen of the Nexus 4 doesn't. The point is, will its blacks be "black enough" even for multimedia? "Black enough" is very subjective...
- The screen of the Nexus 4 will probably handle motion worse than the Galaxy Nexus one. The point again will be if it handles motion well enough.
It seems that the screen of the Nexus 4 is slightly better for reading and web browsing but slightly worse for multimedia. I only have a Galaxy Nexus (no access to HTC One X, etc) so anyway I can't really compare.

Well it all depend on taste. I think the IPS screen for me will be better for contents consumption. Text clarity is a very important factor for phones and RGB array IPS excel here. Better color accuracy is the most important factor for me, without the banding, retention and dark spots that I deal with on AMOLED. I only fear of the chance of backlight leakage that can happen with regular LCD.
I know the response time of the OLED screen have very fast, but I don't do heavy gaming on small mobile devices. It also have ultra wide angle view and wider color gamut (poorly tuned however). I also like its performance outdoor and contrast. But it can be s battery eater.
Also I missed the curved glass of the AMOLED screen, before anyone say the Nexus 4 screen is curved, by what I see from the verge video it isn't, only the external glass seems to be and just a little by the edge, not the same effect.
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eksasol said:
Well it all depend on taste. I think the IPS screen for me will be better for contents consumption. Text clarity is a very important factor for phones and RGB array IPS excel here. Better color accuracy is the most important factor for me, without the banding, retention and dark spots that I deal with on AMOLED. I only fear of the chance of backlight leakage that can happen with regular LCD.
I know the response time of the OLED screen have very fast, but I don't do heavy gaming on small mobile devices. It also have ultra wide angle view and wider color gamut (poorly tuned however). I also like its performance outdoor and contrast. But it can be s battery eater.
Also I missed the curved glass of the AMOLED screen, before anyone say the Nexus 4 screen is curved, by what I see from the verge video it isn't, only the external glass seems to be and just a little by the edge, not the same effect.
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The Nexus 4 will have better viewing angles than the AMOLED.
Sunlight will probably be better too. Colours will be more realistic, and battery life will be lower apart from on a black screen.

I don't like the oversaturated colors of amoled screens, and true colors are important in my work, so I much prefer a good IPS screen. Too bad about the blacks though.
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I hope the Nexus 4 display will be better. On my Gnex whenever I watch videos with dark scenes or blackground, I get this noise/artifact thing in the background. Do you guys get that? Also, black is technically not completely black on the Gnex because the pixels do light up a little for faster switching. There are a few threads in the Gnex forum that talk about that. It is only noticeable when there is very little or no ambient light. You can test it by going to a dark room and open an image that is completely black. You will see some dim light coming out from the AMOLED.

I would have to say my biggest concern is how the screen will perform in the direct sunlight. Of the phones I've had the gnex does best in direct sunlight. Very easily readable and use able in direct sunlight. All my other phones have been washed out in the sun. They where some form of lcd's, but not any of the newer generation super performing lcd's that are out now. The HTC Rezound I had was the best LCD screen I've owned. Amazing picture but suffered in the sun.

NexusDro said:
I hope the Nexus 4 display will be better. On my Gnex whenever I watch videos with dark scenes or blackground, I get this noise/artifact thing in the background. Do you guys get that? Also, black is technically not completely black on the Gnex because the pixels do light up a little for faster switching. There are a few threads in the Gnex forum that talk about that. It is only noticeable when there is very little or no ambient light. You can test it by going to a dark room and open an image that is completely black. You will see some dim light coming out from the AMOLED.
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I think that's either black crush like the original note had or the black spots which nearly all amoled screens get because of the way they are produced.
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Definitive upgrade from Galaxy Nexus?

Currently a Galaxy Nexus user since June (Galaxy Note before that), and I'm wondering if there are any plus points for the Galaxy Nexus apart from the removable battery?

I think there are other threads like this in the Q&A might want to look there . I cant think of any other plus points for the GNex though.

Well you might have gotten used to the AMOLED displays. Nexus 4 IPS LCD display isn't pentile and slightly denser so it is technically better but can't match the true blacks of AMOLED.

Most reviews say it is. But don't upgrade for the sake of upgrading. If you are perfectly happy stay (you are still guaranteed one more OS update), but if you find yourself cursing the device, check out the N4.

trailblazerz11 said:
Well you might have gotten used to the AMOLED displays. Nexus 4 IPS LCD display isn't pentile and slightly denser so it is technically better but can't match the true blacks of AMOLED.
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From Techradar:
"When you're looking at icons on a black background (like in the app drawer), you can't even see the black, if that makes sense. It is so deep, that icons just float."
Win.

The pogo pin-based desktop and car docks are a big plus for the Galaxy Nexus, IMHO.

The GN is a piece of turd compared to the N4...sell it, it would net you around $150 on Gazzell, add the difference and get the new thing.

trailblazerz11 said:
Well you might have gotten used to the AMOLED displays. Nexus 4 IPS LCD display isn't pentile and slightly denser so it is technically better but can't match the true blacks of AMOLED.
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AMOLED isn't true black.
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Sold my gnex for 275 on craigslist. Cant wait for the nexus 4!
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trailblazerz11 said:
Well you might have gotten used to the AMOLED displays. Nexus 4 IPS LCD display isn't pentile and slightly denser so it is technically better but can't match the true blacks of AMOLED.
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I've compared the AMOLED displays to IPS, the One X's to be precise, and IPS LCD looks sooo much better. The AMOLED displays make everything look slightly blue, so when I had anything white opened, it always looked blue.

Not gonna sell the GNex but will get a nexus 4 as soon as it's out.
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Yea the whites and blacks on the IPS display are just about unmatched. On my gnex even with custom kernels the display was still jacked up looking. Stock was like a puke yellow and a good kernel was like a light bluish white. Never could get it white and or black. The s3 color reproduction was a lot better. But the IPS display still kills it in natural looking colors and the closest color reproduction to real life colors. Everything just pops

Yes, it is an upgrade!
Mainly, the hardware: internals, screen, etc... but over all, the build quality. I'm never buying a Samsung phone again. That maybe a little rash, but, that is how I feel at the moment.

worth the upgrade for me.. i bought the gnex in june also, but just sold it for $300. I lost about $70 bucks for the upgrade, but im sure it'll be well worth it

ctowne said:
Sold my gnex for 275 on craigslist. Cant wait for the nexus 4!
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I'm giving my GNex to my sister as soon as I get my N4.
Finally getting her away from that iPhone. She's stoked by the way. :laugh:
Beamed via Galaxy Nexus using Trinity & Rasbeanjelly.

DaX05 said:
I'm giving my GNex to my sister as soon as I get my N4.
Finally getting her away from that iPhone. She's stoked by the way. :laugh:
Beamed via Galaxy Nexus using Trinity & Rasbeanjelly.
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Nice! Get her away from that poison lol

Does anybody prefer AMOLED to LCD? (Why does everybody prefer LCD?)

I've never used an AMOLED screen until I saw the Galaxy S4 but it does look really nice and the blacks are unbelievable. However, almost every reviewer and person I talk to says how AMOLED is garbage and that LCD is by far better.
Does anybody actually prefer AMOLED to LCD?

Well... everyone in this forum lol.
AMOLED is better since it can be set to look like LCD (color-wise). LCD can't be like AMOLED no matter what.

dikime said:
Well... everyone in this forum lol.
AMOLED is better since it can be set to look like LCD (color-wise). LCD can't be like AMOLED no matter what.
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Yeah, but the lines in amoled - miura, is a pain in the ass.
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Ask sony, panasonic, LG and samsung why push OLED TV and why those TV are so expensive when compare to LCD TV

As of right now, I'm not really that impressed with the S4's screen after coming from the HTC One. I'm hoping there's some mods on here that will change my mind because it might be the deciding factor as to whether or not the S4 is my daily driver or backup phone.
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jtc276 said:
As of right now, I'm not really that impressed with the S4's screen after coming from the HTC One. I'm hoping there's some mods on here that will change my mind because it might be the deciding factor as to whether or not the S4 is my daily driver or backup phone.
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I love amoled but the burning pixels issue is very bad

qazmed said:
I love amoled but the burning pixels issue is very bad
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Don't tell me what that is because I haven't noticed it yet.
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I'm an AMOLED guy. Love those displays. My One S has one, my Note 2 had one and now my Galaxy S4 has one. The colours of those displays are awesome. Only disadvantage is the brightness. On very bright day it's hard to see something on an AMOLED
Send from my Galaxy S4 packed with awesomeness

It's all a fad, back when flip phone screens were all TFT everyone prefered the OLED screens that nokia used in their devices. I personally find LCD screens dull and boring in comparison to AMOLED screens.
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Pentile or RBG?

Any information on the screen technology used on the S5?

kuromusha38 said:
Any information on the screen technology used on the S5?
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I think its still pentile.

I was just on Google searching for this without answer. I didn't watch the live event but I'm going to assume it's pentile, I've seen no reference of a "plus" following the display type sadly
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if it's Pentile, then S5 will be the first Galaxy S phone not to have any screen technology improvement over the previous model.

kuromusha38 said:
if it's Pentile, then S5 will be the first Galaxy S phone not to have any screen technology improvement over the previous model.
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You can't know what samsung have done inside 5.1 AMOLED FHD screen. I thing color will more accurate and brighter.
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I meant in terms of pixel count and total subpixel count.
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I saw errica,s mini review. She said it is still pentile.
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That's got to suck...
Samsung has been stuck on the 1080p pentile since S4.
I bet the Note 4 will also be pentile.
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Does it really matter? I see this PenTile thing as pure whining, you'll never notice it in a 1080p screen unless you put your device under a microscope to use it.

Yes it does matter. And I am not whining because the screen technology has not improved after three devices.
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kuromusha38 said:
Yes it does matter. And I am not whining because the screen technology has not improved after three devices.
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So apply for a job at Samsung and teach them how to do it.
Seriously, S3 -> S4 was 720p to 1080p jump.
S4 -> S5 was the "screen now is brighter and can be very dim" jump.
I think you are complaining just because you were fool enough to believe the rumours.

Interesting article comparing the two technologies here
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/the-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-has-a-pentile-display-what-is-it-and-why-should-you-care/

kuromusha38 said:
if it's Pentile, then S5 will be the first Galaxy S phone not to have any screen technology improvement over the previous model.
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Of course it will have technological improvements. The Note 3 was also "just" 1080p pentile and DisplayMate called it one of the best screens ever they tested, 600nits of brightness in auto mode under sunlight, improved color accuracy and more efficient operation. You bet the S5 screen is further improved, as well as SW modes to choose the most colorful or most accurate for your liking... this phone is only a disappointment if you judge by the looks, so far it's very promising all around.

If you guys missed it during the launch, s5 has brightest led screen ever made by Samsung @500 nits. Pentile vs rgb argument is a total bull**** for phones with full hd screens
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bala_gamer said:
If you guys missed it during the launch, s5 has brightest led screen ever made by Samsung @500 nits. Pentile vs rgb argument is a total bull**** for phones with full hd screens
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It does have the brightest OLED screen, but LCD LED screens have been far brighter then that. The old LG Optimus Black from 2011 had a 700 nit screen and my Nexus 7 goes to almost 600 nits.
I saw a video of the Sony Z2 and Samsung S5 side by sidem and while the screen was definately brighter on the Samsung, it was also looked worse because the colors were too bright and washed out. I don't think OLED looks good when it's so bright.
But i can't be sure until i actually see it in person.

pihx said:
It does have the brightest OLED screen, but LCD LED screens have been far brighter then that. The old LG Optimus Black from 2011 had a 700 nit screen and my Nexus 7 goes to almost 600 nits.
I saw a video of the Sony Z2 and Samsung S5 side by sidem and while the screen was definately brighter on the Samsung, it was also looked worse because the colors were too bright and washed out. I don't think OLED looks good when it's so bright.
But i can't be sure until i actually see it in person.
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The Note 3 goes up to 660cd/m2.
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note3_ShootOut_1.htm

pihx said:
It does have the brightest OLED screen, but LCD LED screens have been far brighter then that. The old LG Optimus Black from 2011 had a 700 nit screen and my Nexus 7 goes to almost 600 nits.
I saw a video of the Sony Z2 and Samsung S5 side by sidem and while the screen was definately brighter on the Samsung, it was also looked worse because the colors were too bright and washed out. I don't think OLED looks good when it's so bright.
But i can't be sure until i actually see it in person.
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from what i have heard from Francisco z2 is the best screen sony has come up with so far... if im not wrong its the lcd screens that loses color at max brighntess
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The Note 3 goes up to 660cd/m2.
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then we have to wait for actual results to know what samsung bragged about the screen during the launch

Its not pentile. Geex. I can't believe anybody has pointed out it is still diamond array RGBG. BIG improvement over pentile. Not going to lie though. Even though the RGBG looks fine and comparable to a standard RGB screen I wish it was at least like the galaxy note 2 or moto X screen. RBG with a bigger blue pixel. Looks awesome, can't tell it's not standard RGB stripe and it is efficient. I think the gnote2 and moto x so far have had the most efficient AMOLED screens so far.
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@rbiter said:
Its not pentile. Geex. I can't believe anybody has pointed out it is still diamond array RGBG. BIG improvement over pentile. Not going to lie though. Even though the RGBG looks fine and comparable to a standard RGB screen I wish it was at least like the galaxy note 2 or moto X screen. RBG with a bigger blue pixel. Looks awesome, can't tell it's not standard RGB stripe and it is efficient. I think the gnote2 and moto x so far have had the most efficient AMOLED screens so far.
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It's PenTile.
The diamond is the arrangement, but it is still PenTile (just as LED HDTVs are still LCD with the LED simply describing the backlight). As you said, it's RGBG (another combo used by Moto was RGBW). RGB is the preferred subpixel layout. But seriously, the layout could be stripe, diamond, or it could be in the shape of a penis for all anyone cares, RGBG is PenTile.

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The Note 3 goes up to 660cd/m2.
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So are you saying that the Note 3 is significantly brighter than N2?
I can barely see my phone under the Sun