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How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries

I just found this very interesting article, maybe you'll like it too:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Short summary:
1. "A partial discharge reduces stress and prolongs battery life. Elevated temperature and high currents also affect cycle life."
2. "Higher charge voltages boost capacity but lower cycle life and compromise safety."

its also suggested that you let your phone go through one complete discharge from 100 - 0% at least once a month.
- also on the heat front mentioned in the OP, i take it that means its best to remove your cover when charging your phone to stop a build up of heat?

You mean taking of the case, like Otterbox?
No, I wouldn't do so because my battery never gets warmer than 26-29 degrees.
Bad would be everything above 30°.

scaryshark said:
its also suggested that you let your phone go through one complete discharge from 100 - 0% at least once a month.
- also on the heat front mentioned in the OP, i take it that means its best to remove your cover when charging your phone to stop a build up of heat?
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Our electronic profs at uni (who actually know what they are talking about) told us to keep the charge between 80% and 30%. Discharging to 0% only harms the battery.
So i'd really like to know where it's suggested that you should discharge to 0% once a month.
btw: This is a quote from the link from the op:
"The smaller the depth of discharge, the longer the battery will last. If at all possible, avoid frequent full discharges and charge more often between uses."
So i'd say that discharging to 0% once a month is nonsense and only harms your battery

I read that a while ago on the iPhone support website and did that for my old 3g, I just kept the practice running when I got my DHD. I guess either Apple is wrong or its only usefull for non-removable batterirs.
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That's probably why their batteries died so fast.

gotta voice in here. i've also heard that its optimal to keep your battery in the 80%-30% range. and that its only damaging to fully drain your battery.
but on the flip side, its kinda needed to do a wipe battery stats once in a while, so i can get a better reading of my battery.... was a time when i hadn't done it for ages, and i was at 1% battery while watching a movie for 30 minutes..
so, I recommend at least, to DONT drain your battery.. but if you are getting really off readings on your battery. do the wipe battery stats thing

My DHD battery seems to be getting worse and not holding its charge. as it's almost been 18 months I decided to buy a new OEM battery and I was jus wondering how should I run the 1st few cycles? And how long will it take to reach its optimum capacity? Also will I need to wipe battery stats and calibrate it?
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AllEyezOnMe said:
My DHD battery seems to be getting worse and not holding its charge. as it's almost been 18 months I decided to buy a new OEM battery and I was jus wondering how should I run the 1st few cycles? And how long will it take to reach its optimum capacity? Also will I need to wipe battery stats and calibrate it?
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No Calibration is a hoax, and battery stats are wiped whenever DHD is unplugged with nearly full charge (link to follow from one of the Android devs, don't have it to hand whilst mobile)
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I used to worry about battery, then i purchased two of the cheap Ebay ones for like $3 they each hold about a day worth of juice. let the haters hate on the cheap batteries but it's $3! If they are of lower capacity (which must be miniscule because i can't tell) or they die early who cares. Buy a few of them and be done with it.
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brad808 said:
Buy a few of them and be done with it.
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Why buy many batteries, when you can have 1 quality item?
Cheap batteries can also be a security risk (exploding cell phones e.g.)

scaryshark said:
its also suggested that you let your phone go through one complete discharge from 100 - 0% at least once a month.
- also on the heat front mentioned in the OP, i take it that means its best to remove your cover when charging your phone to stop a build up of heat?
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how should we go about that? play heaps of games? increase brightness? or do you mean drain it slowly like over a day?

rootingdestroyer said:
how should we go about that? play heaps of games? increase brightness? or do you mean drain it slowly like over a day?
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You shouldn't, draining batteries fully is no longer recommended practice
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how to charge a new battery?
I still haven't received an answer to my past post. I've just got a new OEM battery and i wanted to know how should i run the first few cycles? is there a certain amount of time i should charge before i unplug it or do i just treat it as i would with a normal used battery?

AllEyezOnMe said:
I still haven't received an answer to my past post. I've just got a new OEM battery and i wanted to know how should i run the first few cycles? is there a certain amount of time i should charge before i unplug it or do i just treat it as i would with a normal used battery?
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Suggested initial full charging/discharging cycles are ONLY made to train your phone and NOT your battery and in most cases aren't even intended for current android phones.
Those mythical suggestions are often based on facts for non-lithium rechargable batteries.
Nowadays rechargable lithium batteries are often shipped at least half full. So what you can and should do is just use the battery and try keeping it between 30% and 80%. That's all you have to do.

Dlog said:
Suggested initial full charging/discharging cycles are ONLY made to train your phone and NOT your battery and in most cases aren't even intended for current android phones.
Those mythical suggestions are often based on facts for non-lithium rechargable batteries.
Nowadays rechargable lithium batteries are often shipped at least half full. So what you can and should do is just use the battery and try keeping it between 30% and 80%. That's all you have to do.
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So are you saying i shouldn't even charge it to 100% and what about the recommended monthly full charge to complete discharge to calibrate the battery?

Well you can charge it to 100% if you want. That will reset the battery log of your phone, so it can't hurt that much.
But charging it for an extensive amount of time will bring you no good. The charging circuit in your phone and in general the charging circuit used to charge lithium-ion batteries will stop charging once the battery is full. That way it prevents the battery from overcharging. But it also means that charging your phone for any more time than it needs to won't make it run any longer.
The monthly complete discharge is not to calibrate your battery as i've allready stated. It is used by the phone to better estimate how much power your battery can currently hold. So in a sense it's used to calibrate but not the battery itself but the battery statistics in your phone.
The phone knows how much energy the wall-charger provides and can thus determin huch much power is stored in the battery once it hits 100% (or better: reaches it's maximum voltage). If you have a charge from 1% to 100% then the phone can obviously determin the battery's capacity more accurately than if you charge it from 50% to 100%.
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And yes. If you really want to prolong your batteries life then keep it's charge between 80% and 30%.
But just see to it that the charge is above 30% and you're good.

Dlog said:
Well you can charge it to 100% if you want. That will reset the battery log of your phone, so it can't hurt that much.
But charging it for an extensive amount of time will bring you no good. The charging circuit in your phone and in general the charging circuit used to charge lithium-ion batteries will stop charging once the battery is full. That way it prevents the battery from overcharging. But it also means that charging your phone for any more time than it needs to won't make it run any longer.
The monthly complete discharge is not to calibrate your battery as i've allready stated. It is used by the phone to better estimate how much power your battery can currently hold. So in a sense it's used to calibrate but not the battery itself but the battery statistics in your phone.
The phone knows how much energy the wall-charger provides and can thus determin huch much power is stored in the battery once it hits 100% (or better: reaches it's maximum voltage). If you have a charge from 1% to 100% then the phone can obviously determin the battery's capacity more accurately than if you charge it from 50% to 100%.
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And yes. If you really want to prolong your batteries life then keep it's charge between 80% and 30%.
But just see to it that the charge is above 30% and you're good.
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Ok thanks for all the information your help is much appreciated

Dlog said:
The monthly complete discharge is not to calibrate your battery as i've allready stated. It is used by the phone to better estimate how much power your battery can currently hold. So in a sense it's used to calibrate but not the battery itself but the battery statistics in your phone.
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How so? Battery stats is wiped when you unplug the nearly charged phone, so where is this historical data found?
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ghostofcain said:
How so? Battery stats is wiped when you unplug the nearly charged phone, so where is this historical data found?
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beats me^^
My point was that the calibration is done for the accuracy of the percentage displayed and not to make your battery hold more energy, regardless of what phone/device you use.
And i'm using Battery Monitor Widget so i tend to mean that when i talk about the "historical data". Because BMW really does tell you to run larger charge cycles to increase accuracy. It however doesn't tell you that constantly running your battery down to 0% will only shorten it's lifetime.

Li-Po battery?!!!

I was reading about Li-Po battery's, and I found out that these batteries might over-charge and go ka-boom.
Is this true? Does anyone have any knowledge with these batteries, and is this at all a Draw back for the N4?
Edit: Okay, so I was just scoping around and I think this source might be incorrect, but it seems like recharging these batteries have precautions, like certain time-limits. Maybe this is for removable batteries, but none the less these batteries seem more complicated than Li-Ion.
Here's a guide for charging Li-Po's that states overcharging is bad: http://www.ehow.com/how_6049668_method-charge-lithium-polymer-battery.html

Link to this?
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Aren't Li-poly batteries actually safer than Li-ion?

That's the Technology used on Mac Book Pros and the iPads ... They are supposed to have faster and longer charging cycles among other advantages like being lighter and have more accurate power readings... But i could be wrong so please correct me if I'm misinformed ?
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jacklebott said:
Aren't Li-poly batteries actually safer than Li-ion?
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See that's what I tough too ?
Don't wanna start a war here but the battery on my new iPad it's fantastic ! Even on LTE I get like 2 days plus of heavy use..

LiPo or Lithium polymer batteries have a much higher power/weight/size ratio then typical Li-Ions, which makes them awesome for portable devices. The downside is that they are very temperamental as far as discharging and charging goes. Cells need to be leveled and managed independently when charging, punctures in the battery can cause it to catch fire, and have been known to create explosive fireballs when overcharged.
While it is true that over-charging a LiPo can make it catch fire, there will be controllers in place to prevent this from happening. These things are quite fussy. Even letting a LiPo drain below a certain percentage can be detrimental to the health and longevity of the battery, 20% of the battery's total capacity is often regarded as the minimum safe charge. It is also recommended to keep a 50-60% charge in a LiPo if storing it for long periods of time.
Fortunately, there will be a LiPo controller on the phone which will manage all of the dirty work for us. I imagine a ~20% charge on the LiPo will be regarded as 0% for the phone, as to not allow the battery's voltage to drop too low. Charging will be managed with independent cell leveling, and it will make sure the battery is not over-charged.
I really do not believe that, as a consumer we will have to worry about the battery or how its charging. We will just get to enjoy the awesome battery life associated with the LiPo.

Awesome thanks for clearifying it for me. You said that 20 percent might equal 0, so does that mean 2100mah will be cut short?

LiPo batteries are awesome. I still have my SE K750i and the battery life, despite over 4 years of use, is still amazing. I don't use it anymore but the battery still seems to keep most of a full charge unlike other cell phones (Siemens C65) which cant even maintain enough charge to power on after charging.

I don't think you would have to worry about the 2100mAh rating... I fiddled around with RC vehicles before and I ran one off of a parallell pack of Lipos, that should equal 10Ah which gave me about 1 hour and 45 minutes of "play time" with my truck(brushless outrunner motor and a mamba monster). It should be noted that after those 1 hour and 45 minutes the batteries still held up pretty well but the motor was glowing hot, never had any troubles with anything until I torched the motor because of the prolonged runtimes I was getting...
http://youtu.be/0Yg88tg71m4

Interestingly, if you go into device info (*#*#4636#*#*) and hit battery information, it lists the battery as using Li-Ion technology, can anyone else confirm this? If so, there may be more to this than just a LiPo battery.

How to correctly charge lithium polymer battery

I read so many thread that indicate Nexus 4 poor battery performance. Therefore, I start thinking if I have the correct concept of charging a lithium
polymer battery. I don't know if the article I found correctly indicate the fact. Here is my way to charge my nexus 4 or 7
1. I never let my battery drain to zero or shut itself down. I usually charge when it's 10% or over 5% (How's your view about it? too low?)
2. I rarely fully charge my phone to 100%. I usually get it done around above 95.
3. I "turn off" the device while I'm charging. In this case, I turn off Nexus 4 and 7 when I need to charge them.
4. I rarely charge my phone overnight...( any second opinion on this?)
Any views and suggestions are all welcome. I just try to find the best way on how to "correctly" charge our nexus 4 lithium polymer battery.
Here is an article I read as an example http://buychargeall.com/cellphonebatterychargertips/

This link may help you http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=518861.
Lipo batteries do not need priming as it does not have memory.
Even though it's about Li-ion, effectively they're the same thing.
The lithium-polymer (LIPO) is a more technologically advanced version of a lithium ion (Li-ion) battery. It's electrolyte is held in a solid polymer film which is directly bonded to the lithium electrode.
Charging a drained battery will shorten the battery life. So I would recommend that you charge more frequently, than charging after the battery is low.

Just charge it however you like and don't worry about it. You'll likely have a new phone before any noticeable damage is done to your battery

xRegrets said:
This link may help you http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=518861.
Lipo batteries do not need priming as it does not have memory.
Even though it's about Li-ion, effectively they're the same thing.
The lithium-polymer (LIPO) is a more technologically advanced version of a lithium ion (Li-ion) battery. It's electrolyte is held in a solid polymer film which is directly bonded to the lithium electrode.
Charging a drained battery will shorten the battery life. So I would recommend that you charge more frequently, than charging after the battery is low.
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Thanks I see.

Michealtbh said:
Just charge it however you like and don't worry about it. You'll likely have a new phone before any noticeable damage is done to your battery
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That's true too....but still...lol. Worry people worry a lot

xRegrets said:
This link may help you http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=518861.
Lipo batteries do not need priming as it does not have memory.
Even though it's about Li-ion, effectively they're the same thing.
The lithium-polymer (LIPO) is a more technologically advanced version of a lithium ion (Li-ion) battery. It's electrolyte is held in a solid polymer film which is directly bonded to the lithium electrode.
Charging a drained battery will shorten the battery life. So I would recommend that you charge more frequently, than charging after the battery is low.
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Sorry, I just have one more question after reading the guide...
So, it's ok to charge over night? Is it ok to always put the phone on charger?

I always charge it when below 5% juice is left. And I let it charge till it hits 100% mark. Plus I put it on charge when I got to sleep and wake up after 3 or 3.30 hours (yeah, thats how long it takes to full charge) then turn the switch off and go back to bed.
Is it ok?

I have let all my devices in the past 3 years charge continuously overnight and have never had a single problem

Odp: How to correctly charge lithium polymer battery
Michealtbh said:
I have let all my devices in the past 3 years charge continuously overnight and have never had a single problem
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Yea same here.
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Michealtbh said:
Just charge it however you like and don't worry about it. You'll likely have a new phone before any noticeable damage is done to your battery
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This. There is nothing to worry about, other than ignoring the many myths that you can read on this subject. The battery will turn itself off way before any chance of damaging it.
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zxcv106106 said:
1. I never let my battery drain to zero or shut itself down. I usually charge when it's 10% or over 5% (How's your view about it? too low?)
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Because deep discharging is bad for all lithium based cells non of them allow the battery to discharge to zero, when the cells hit zero in your phone that is the empty limited deemed as safe by the manufacturer and not that the cells are depleted, conversely you cannot over charge it either, Lithium based cells have circuitry embedded in them to prevent damage. Therefore I charge and discharge my battery as i see fit to suit my needs be it over night or a quick blast.
I recently went on a trip to Belgium and it was a 14 hour ferry crossing of which most of the time the phone has no signal. Presumably my N4 was searching for a cell most of the time yet at 17 hours after unplugging it there was still 86% battery left.
People need to realise it is using the screen more than any other single activity that uses the battery, the Nexus 4 is no worse than any other similar phone with a similar battery.
The first phone i had which had a lithium battery was a Nortel 2000, this was in 1996 and i didn't give a toss how i charged that up and i didn't damage that battery, i am sure the technology had advanced shed loads since then.

How do you call people who let phones control their lives?
OP.

0rigin said:
How do you call people who let phones control their lives?
OP.
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Nothing here about control live by the phone. I post this only to find out the correct way to charge lithium battery.
Thanks for all the information.

Battery Chemistry

We all know that the One (and many other modern cellphones) have a Lithium Ion battery. While these batteries have no traditional 'memory effect' the way NiMH did, it seems that different chemistries for the electrolyte would suggest different strategies for recharging.
For example, after looking at the Wikipedia entry for Lithium batteries, it would seem that we should be mindful about 'topping off' the battery, because charging deteriorates the lifespan, implying that running down the battery might be a more advisable practice than plugging in to fully charge every night.
Wondering if any of you experts out there can comment and discuss, given that we One users no longer have replacable cells.

Good question, I too would be very interested in hearing from some of the posters that are knowledgeable in this area.
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This is pretty well established knowledge right now. I'll list everything pertinent about lithium ion batteries and charging smartphones:
Edit: Note that I mention Lithium Ion in this post, but the HTC One uses Lithium Polymer. They are for all intents and purposes equal in terms of their usability, except for slightly less charge cycles
Edit 2: Hello Reddit! No idea this would have taken off. I'm "coolmatty" on reddit. This is an overall generalization, and there are plenty of resources that go into more detail. Places like Battery University are great sites to start.
1. Charging is what reduces the life of a lithium ion battery. Batteries are usually rated between 700-1000 charge cycles while keeping 90% of their capacity.
2. Charging 0-100% counts as one cycle. Charging 80-100% 5 times counts as one cycle.
3. Leaving your phone on the charger after it is charged has the potential to reduce battery life, although this is less of a problem with newer devices as they often disconnect the charging circuit until the battery drops below ~95%. Generally only an issue if you leave it on the charger for 24+ hours.
4. Lithium ion batteries do not require any conditioning.
5. Most lithium ion devices arrive with ~40-50% battery life remaining, because this is the optimal charge level to store a lithium battery for long periods (such as sitting on a store shelf for months).
6. Slower charging maintains the battery's overall lifetime capacity better than fast charging. This is likely why the HTC One does not have Qualcomm's Quick Charge enabled. It's debateable whether you'd notice the effects over the typical lifetime of a smartphone, however (2 years).
7. Not exactly related to lithium but just in general: smartphones (and tablets, etc) have charging circuits that only draw a certain amount of amps regardless of the number of amps the charger provides. Using a 3.1 amp (tablet-level) charger is not going to significantly increase the speed at which your phone charges. Most phones only use between 0.8 - 1.2 amps. Anything over that is overkill.
8. Storing a lithium ion battery at 0% is really bad for its lifetime capacity. Running it to 0% generally isn't recommended all the time, but a few instances won't hurt it.
9. Recharging from 0-100 doesn't make your battery run longer. It can, however, reset Android's battery level stats so that it can more accurately state the battery level.
10. Charging from ~95% to 100% takes a long time because it must do a trickle charge. Maxing out the battery like this can reduce overall lifetime capacity, but generally not enough to matter. You'll see this impact more often in larger applications of lithium batteries (like cars).

You have no idea how many people need this post (on some points, myself included). Thanks.

Vincent Law said:
2. Charging 0-100% counts as one cycle. Charging 80-100% 5 times counts as one cycle.
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It does not seem to be that uniform, according to this:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
From what I understood from the link above in Table 2, you can get the best longevity by charging from 50% (2nd row).

jasahu said:
It does not seem to be that uniform, according to this:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
From what I understood from the link above in Table 2, you can get the best longevity by charging from 50% (2nd row).
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But is it practical to charge it at 50% every time?

Doesn't the one infact have a Li-Po battery ? Would these points still apply ?

Nyxagamemnon said:
But is it practical to charge it at 50% every time?
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What is a practical approach for me now, after reading this all, is to charge it every night.
This way
- I have better chances for not running out of battery during the day
- either it was at 75% (3rd row) or 50% (2nd row) I still have better longevity than charging from 0% most of the time.

Battery life will not degrade as long as you donot empty its charge for long time and donot use it while on charge... over heat on battery aged the battery...
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Just wanted to add: li-ion and li-po batteries now-a-days have protection circuitry to prevent overcharge and over-discharge. Overcharge protection based on what is stated above, known as trickle charge. Over-discharge protection means that your phone will shut off when your battery is around 3v per cell, whereas you should refrain from force starting the phone. The only benefit you get from fully charging/discharging is battery calibration for cell mismatches. It is also good to know that partial charges are better than full charges when it comes to lithium ion (and lithium polymer) batteries.

The HTC one uses li-poly, not li-ion
Can read all about the advantages and disadvantages of each other here:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/is_lithium_ion_the_ideal_battery
li-poly
Advantages
Very low profile - batteries resembling the profile of a credit card are feasible.
Flexible form factor - manufacturers are not bound by standard cell formats. With high volume, any reasonable size can be produced economically.
Lightweight - gelled electrolytes enable simplified packaging by eliminating the metal shell.
Improved safety - more resistant to overcharge; less chance for electrolyte leakage.
Limitations
Lower energy density and decreased cycle count compared to lithium-ion.
Expensive to manufacture.
No standard sizes. Most cells are produced for high volume consumer markets.
Higher cost-to-energy ratio than lithium-ion
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As far as I am concerned, li-poly is overall better for phones where you can't change the battery.
by the looks of that article it was done quite a while ago (for the tech. world) so the disadvantages might not be as much of a problem these days.....

jasahu said:
It does not seem to be that uniform, according to this:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
From what I understood from the link above in Table 2, you can get the best longevity by charging from 50% (2nd row).
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I was using a simplification. It would be better not to let it go to 0, but most charge cycles are rated on this. I do mention the impact of letting the battery go to 0%.
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Doesn't the one infact have a Li-Po battery ? Would these points still apply ?
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A flub on my part, you are correct. There are minor differences (the only one that matters to us is slightly shorter lifetime capacity) but otherwise it works the same.

Now that i see a battery 'expert', a quick question.
Back in the dack, if you bought anything with batteries, you would have to charge them for 24h, no matter how much charged they were. But if i were to buy a phone today (Lith-Ion), Do i still have to do that?
I think not, but i'm not quite sure. Lots of people (even smartphone sellers) still recommend charging it 24h, wich i think is bull.

Bartcore3 said:
Now that i see a battery 'expert', a quick question.
Back in the dack, if you bought anything with batteries, you would have to charge them for 24h, no matter how much charged they were. But if i were to buy a phone today (Lith-Ion), Do i still have to do that?
I think not, but i'm not quite sure. Lots of people (even smartphone sellers) still recommend charging it 24h, wich i think is bull.
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I think that was only for the old Ni-MH batteries as they had to be bedded in as such. The newer ones dont need this

Vincent Law said:
This is pretty well established knowledge right now. I'll list everything pertinent about lithium ion batteries and charging smartphones:
1. Charging is what reduces the life of a lithium ion battery. Batteries are usually rated between 700-1000 charge cycles while keeping 90% of their capacity.
2. Charging 0-100% counts as one cycle. Charging 80-100% 5 times counts as one cycle.
3. Leaving your phone on the charger after it is charged has the potential to reduce battery life, although this is less of a problem with newer devices as they often disconnect the charging circuit until the battery drops below ~95%. Generally only an issue if you leave it on the charger for 24+ hours.
4. Lithium ion batteries do not require any conditioning.
5. Most lithium ion devices arrive with ~40-50% battery life remaining, because this is the optimal charge level to store a lithium battery for long periods (such as sitting on a store shelf for months).
6. Slower charging maintains the battery's overall lifetime capacity better than fast charging. This is likely why the HTC One does not have Qualcomm's Quick Charge enabled. It's debateable whether you'd notice the effects over the typical lifetime of a smartphone, however (2 years).
7. Not exactly related to lithium but just in general: smartphones (and tablets, etc) have charging circuits that only draw a certain amount of amps regardless of the number of amps the charger provides. Using a 3.1 amp (tablet-level) charger is not going to significantly increase the speed at which your phone charges. Most phones only use between 0.8 - 1.2 amps. Anything over that is overkill.
8. Storing a lithium ion battery at 0% is really bad for its lifetime capacity. Running it to 0% generally isn't recommended all the time, but a few instances won't hurt it.
9. Recharging from 0-100 doesn't make your battery run longer. It can, however, reset Android's battery level stats so that it can more accurately state the battery level.
10. Charging from ~95% to 100% takes a long time because it must do a trickle charge. Maxing out the battery like this can reduce overall lifetime capacity, but generally not enough to matter. You'll see this impact more often in larger applications of lithium batteries (like cars).
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Thanks Vincent. Great post will certainly bear it all in mind when charging my phone.
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ragingredbull said:
Thanks Vincent. Great post will certainly bear it all in mind when charging my phone.
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I'm not sure everyone noticed one of the things he said. I know from my HD2 and Ruby that HTC phones will not continue charging after hitting 100%. The phone will indicate %100, but shortly after you disconnect the charger and start using the phone the indicated power level will drop to what it actually is - and it will be lower depending upon how long it has been sitting at "100%". Their phones have a protection circuit that kicks in. So if you really want 100% in the morning, power the phone down to charge it.

Bartcore3 said:
Now that i see a battery 'expert', a quick question.
Back in the dack, if you bought anything with batteries, you would have to charge them for 24h, no matter how much charged they were. But if i were to buy a phone today (Lith-Ion), Do i still have to do that?
I think not, but i'm not quite sure. Lots of people (even smartphone sellers) still recommend charging it 24h, wich i think is bull.
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As I mentioned in my first post, Lithium batteries do not require conditioning. The purpose for this on old Ni-Cad batteries was to avoid the memory effect, which could result in a battery appearing to be dead long before it actually was. For instance, if you always charged it from 60%, after many instances of this, the Ni-Cad battery would suffer a voltage drop at that point, which most electronics can't handle (some can, however, and once past the short period of low voltage, they will recover and continue normally).
Charging for 24 hours is most certainly not relevant, as once the battery reaches 100%, charging has ceased anyway. There's no need to charge it to 100% anyway, other than to give you more time to play with your new toy
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stevedebi said:
I'm not sure everyone noticed one of the things he said. I know from my HD2 and Ruby that HTC phones will not continue charging after hitting 100%. The phone will indicate %100, but shortly after you disconnect the charger and start using the phone the indicated power level will drop to what it actually is - and it will be lower depending upon how long it has been sitting at "100%". Their phones have a protection circuit that kicks in. So if you really want 100% in the morning, power the phone down to charge it.
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You'll see this in most devices nowadays. It's especially noticeable on laptops, which typically won't lie to you about the charge. It depends on the models, but I know Macbooks for instance will happily sit at 95% charge as "fully charged". This is by design and other than turning off the device, you shouldn't try to "top it off". Any other method (such as unplugging and plugging it back in) hurts the overall lifetime of the battery.

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You'll see this in most devices nowadays. It's especially noticeable on laptops, which typically won't lie to you about the charge. It depends on the models, but I know Macbooks for instance will happily sit at 95% charge as "fully charged". This is by design and other than turning off the device, you shouldn't try to "top it off". Any other method (such as unplugging and plugging it back in) hurts the overall lifetime of the battery.
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Most of the modern laptops allow you to turn on or off the battery saving feature. For those who use the laptop while plugged in most of the time, it will stop charging at 80%. For those who will be using it off the plug, the option is there to get it to 100%.
I often see posts from people (in various forums) asking why their laptop will only charge to 80%...

stevedebi said:
Most of the modern laptops allow you to turn on or off the battery saving feature. For those who use the laptop while plugged in most of the time, it will stop charging at 80%. For those who will be using it off the plug, the option is there to get it to 100%.
I often see posts from people (in various forums) asking why their laptop will only charge to 80%...
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I've never heard of this, and I don't recall seeing it on any Windows or Mac laptop I've used recently. Sounds like some proprietary crap one of the manufacturers came up with. Stopping the charge at 80% doesn't make much sense, since you'll still have the issue of constantly recharging the battery (as soon as it drops below 80%).
Edit: I will say that it is marginally better than keeping it at 100%, but that said, there's steps you can take on your own that are much better.
The ideal way to use a laptop that will be plugged in for most of its lifetime is to discharge it to about 45%, and then remove the battery entirely. At that point, the battery can maintain its capacity for months without major issue. Just make sure to recharge it once every 3 months or so, as the battery will discharge (slowly) even while unplugged, but at a far slower rate than it would be inside the laptop.

Vincent Law said:
I've never heard of this, and I don't recall seeing it on any Windows or Mac laptop I've used recently. Sounds like some proprietary crap one of the manufacturers came up with. Stopping the charge at 80% doesn't make much sense, since you'll still have the issue of constantly recharging the battery (as soon as it drops below 80%).
Edit: I will say that it is marginally better than keeping it at 100%, but that said, there's steps you can take on your own that are much better.
The ideal way to use a laptop that will be plugged in for most of its lifetime is to discharge it to about 45%, and then remove the battery entirely. At that point, the battery can maintain its capacity for months without major issue. Just make sure to recharge it once every 3 months or so, as the battery will discharge (slowly) even while unplugged, but at a far slower rate than it would be inside the laptop.
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The latest research from the Auto manufacturers is that Li-Ion technology works longest if the battery level is between 50 and 80%.
My Toshiba U925 ultra portable uses the optional 80% max. If you use the laptop almost exclusively while plugged in, it will help provide battery longevity, or so I understand.
Many laptops won't work unless the battery is in place. It depends on how they built the power circuits.

All about Batteries

As we know our Z3 has a Lithium-Ion energy supply. There is a really nice site about charging Lithium-ion batteries, chargers and a lot more.
And I want to share this wonderful site with you here on xda: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries

so like is it ok to keep the mobile charging overnight???

Yes it is, and has always been with lithium ion. Draining your battery makes the life span even shorter

greatgrandking said:
so like is it ok to keep the mobile charging overnight???
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crazymister said:
Yes it is, and has always been with lithium ion. Draining your battery makes the life span even shorter
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Li-ion does not need to be fully charged, as is the case with lead acid, nor is it desirable to do so. In fact, it is better not to fully charge, because high voltages stresses the battery. Choosing a lower voltage threshold, or eliminating the saturation charge altogether, prolongs battery life but this reduces the runtime.
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After reading this there should be a little damage because the stress we cause with the full charge. But I guess the damage isn't as big in our case.

Well batteries have a regulation circuit to prevent that and some phones automatically discharge a little automatically after reaching max charge. Don't have to worry to much about that these days.

A good point for Li-ion batteries. Good thing to know.