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Some users say they have trouble calibrating the touch screen on the Nexus One, the Google smartphone.
The first steps of Google and their Nexus One on the smartphone market does not seem as peaceful as what the Internet giant could wait. After linkage problems encountered on the 3G network T-Mobile in the United States, some users are pointing the finger at the screen of their device.
Android forums on Google, as stated by our colleagues from Engadget, there are reports of problems calibrating the touch screen One of the Nexus. They would start to feel the phone and he would put it to sleep, then on again to resolve them. Google provides to address these problems, they come from a software bug will be resolved by a patch. If the material is concerned, HTC, manufacturer of the Nexus One, might have to intervene under the warranty.
For its first week of marketing, Nexus One has sold 20 000 copies in the United States. A rather low figure who led Google to drop the $ 100 price of the device.
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Google this morning postponed the launch of two Android handsets in China in a clear indication that the company’s rift with Beijing threatens its booming mobile business. Meanwhile, the Nexus One has seen lackluster sales amid widespread complaints of technical glitches. So with Android’s future in China uncertain, and problems mounting with Google’s decision to build and sell the ideal Android phone — the Nexus One – is it too early to wonder whether Google will pull the plug on its flagship phone?
Google indefinitely pushed back the launch of two handsets slated to debut tomorrow from China Unicom, dramatically upping the ante in its high-profile showdown with the Chinese government. As Om noted last week, China accounts for more 638 million wireless users, and handset sales are expected to grow by 21 percent this year alone. And the market could be especially ripe for Android given its support by some key players in the region: members of Google’s Open Handset Alliance include operators China Mobile and China Telecom as well as Huawei and ZTE.
While a governmental crackdown could lead to versions of the open-source OS that are far less integrated with Google’s mobile apps, the escalating conflict means that Google will be unable to control the evolution of Android in China. And it surely closes the door on any potential Chinese sales of the Nexus One — throwing yet another roadblock at the struggling handset.
Google appears to have overreached in launching its own branded handset. The search giant was clearly unprepared to deal with the customer service issues that inevitably arise in the retailing business, and splashy headlines of customer backlash are tarnishing its highly respected brand.
The company has obviously overestimated demand for an “official” Google phone, selling just 20,000 handsets in the first week it was out, and its strategy of competing against its handset and carrier partners has limited upside and risks losing the widespread support that has fueled Android’s growth. It may be unfair to predict doom for a handset that came to market just two weeks ago, but it’s becoming clear that taking on the role of mobile retailer was a mistake for Google. It’s too early to predict that Google will kill the Nexus One, but it’s not too early to wonder whether it should.
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Ive been a techy most of my life. Ive been on nerd bomber and geek forums since 97 followed every bit of Tech I could get my hands on since that time.....I am having a miserable time trying to find another piece of consumer electronic with this many "news sources" hell bent on seeing it fail.
Not windows ME , Not XBOX 1 , Not Nextel , Not Wii....nothing.
Im baffled as to wtf is going on.
I thought I was the only one who noticed all the negative attention google is getting. I freakin love this phone. There is nothing that will make me think this isn't the best phone I've had, ever.
It's not about the quality of the phone
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It's not about the quality of the phone
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So what is it ?
Is fanboyism that strong ?
Are people THAT pissed at Google for not giving it away free and saving them from telecoms...or
Are Apple/MS/Palm lining writers pockets ?
Im by no means saying Google isnt having a multitude of problems. On 2 big fronts right now....but the tone of these articles is blatantly biased.
Perhaps people are scared of something different. Google is the punk kid to Apple's primp and proper 'young adult'. They must be heathens.
Huh?
its about Google completely miscalculating the process of selling this product via their site.
Its about Google releasing a product not ready for consumption.
Its about a failed marketing ploy....(ie: a lack of, ...trying to create a mystique and engender a word of mouth wildfire.....backfiring, as the word of mouth has been primarily about the issues with the device.
What does fanboyism have to do with any of this?
Personally, I don't think I would "listen" to a website review and analysis that can't even form a proper sentence. That first article was seriously hard to read, and didn't make sense for about 50% of it.
None-the-less some of the tech community loves to hate the phone. Fanboys, or whatever may have you, they are not being fair or balanced in the coverage. Granted, we are a biased community, but we are also one of the most critical as well. I haven't seen such love for a phone on XDA ever! Usually, we are all sitting around saying we can't wait for it to be properly unlocked so we can flash some crazy cooked ROMs so the phone doesn't suck too bad. Instead, many are wondering whether it is even worth rooting the phone(and eventually flashing custom SPLs) because stock already is so damn good!
Here is the deal, IMO, given that Android is bursting onto the scene right now, and starting to hit that tipping point, just ignore it! By the end of this year, over half the available smartphones on the market will be Android. And that is the real reason for the outcry. There is a lot of money at stake, and many tech publications have owners/sponsors they need to keep happy. Google is not known for being a very profitable advertiser for websites(great for small sites, but big ones make much more money off a true sponsor), and Google doesn't and isn't willing to do that.
But those sites will, given time, have to come around. If they do not, they run the very real risk of allienating their following, and in turn losing out on advertising dollars because they are no longer the hot site. Engadget, and the such, have to keep on top of and out in front of the trendy wave, or they are screwed.
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Huh?
its about Google completely miscalculating the process of selling this product via their site.
Its about Google releasing a product not ready for consumption.
Its about a failed marketing ploy....(ie: a lack of, ...trying to create a mystique and engender a word of mouth wildfire.....backfiring, as the word of mouth has been primarily about the issues with the device.
What does fanboyism have to do with any of this?
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I'm not talking about Engadget perse an obviously biased review... im talking about say the average daily return of say a google search of Nexus One which brings predominantly a litany of commentary of.the problems google and.customers are having with the device.
That is NOT good and is NOT fanboyism.
For its first week of marketing, Nexus One has sold 20 000 copies in the United States. A rather low figure who led Google to drop the $ 100 price of the device.
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I'm pretty sure Google only lowered the price for an upgraded plan on T-Mobile because of the network issues that were occurring on their service. That statement from the article is misleading because the original prices are still in place aside from a $100 reduction for upgrading on T-Mobile.
I've also noticed a lot of negative publicity, more so than other things. I think with something this big, there's bound to be more scrutinizing going on than usual. You've got the best hardware spec'd phone releasing on the market, on the newest Android platform (basically ready for mainstream consumption), with Google selling it (of all companies).
On the 20,000 N1's sold.
I dont see Google giving up on the N1.
The day Vodafone sold 50,000 iPhones in Europe, the tech-press was quick to jump on comparisons with the 20k N1 sale figure. This is so wrong, it ain't even funny.
The online sales model is
a. New
b. Untested
c. Unique
On account of #a and #b above, Google would not have pegged a very large demand figure for the first month of the N1. The strategy they've adopted will take time to settle in, and I'm sure they're prepared to do that. The N1, as they've repeatedly stated, is the -first- in what will be a long series of phones, and the N1 online sales figure will be viewed as a test case by Google, not as an indictment of the model's success/failure.
Agreed, Google has not hyped up the N1 as much as they ought to have done. As others have pointed out before, the Moto Droid's marketing campaign has done much more for Android than the N1's launch has done, and for that, Google alone is to blame. Forget comparisons to phones of a fruity nature, the N1's launch and subsequent marketing is disappointing even against other Android devices.
Here's something for the tech-press to chew on though.
What would've happened, had Google launched this (admittedly) superphone for $179 in brick-and-mortar stores, whether their own or in T-Mobile's and other networks' stores? What would the number have been then?
I don't see where you're getting the idea that everybody is hell bent on seeing the Nexus One fail.
I've had "nexus one" in the news and weather widget since day one, so I get just about anything with those two words in it as a news article. Yes, there are a few iPhone fan boy web sites out there that just wont admit the N1 is a great phone. But by and large, after the first week, and after other writers have had time to spend with the N1, they always like it, and a few have even dumped their iPhones for it.
The rest (and vast majority) of the articles out there are pointing out Google's major miscalculations with regards to the launch, shipping, and especially support of the Nexus One. They just weren't ready.
Now, since Google and the Nexus One are getting SO much press attention, any little problem the phone encounters, whether it be HTC's fault, Tmo's, or Googles, is getting sent out on BLAST.
It's Google that screwed up. Not the Nexus One. And nobody is calling for it's death, save for a couple loser fan boys.
From what ive seen and heard (like my tech podcasts) lots of people are 'reviewing' the phone with out actually getting their hands on it to test it for themselves. There does appear to be a significant amount of bad press for what seems like no real reason.
Oddly on the GDGT podcast they talk about the nexus one, the first 30seconds of the review they talk about how awesome the phone is and its the best thing they have used since the iphone, and then they spend the remaining 30minutes of the review highlighting all of its faults?! Odd!
Nevermind, think its probably just die hard iphone fan bois coming up with negative press. bah.
There is definitely some biased reviews out there from people obviously bent on not showing the whole truth or just completely stating b.s.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/187147/what_google_must_learn_from_its_nexus_one_troubles.html
When the Nexus One was announced, I was disappointed, since there were just a few improvements over existing Android devices. The fact that Google was selling the device directly over its Web site seemed to be much ado about nothing, given that buyers had to sign a T-Mobile contract to use it. Plus, it's not as if Web sales is a new idea.
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Didn't know buyers had to sign a contract to use the phone. That's interesting.
This is the best phone i ever had. My friends with iphones are shocked by how good it is. Iphone become a history on nexus release. Paid reviews will be popping everywhere against Nexus one.
I never had any problems. Market forces do not want google succeding in delivering a better product than existing technologies of windows and iphone.
You would listen to any lie, and all of them are proved wrong by good people in youtube videos.
Thanks Google and HTC for making such a wonderful phone.
I was suprised how Engadget is attacking it and google...Stopped respecting their news now.
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I was suprised how Engadget is attacking it and google...Stopped respecting their news now.
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I haven't visited the engadget site since their review. That review was ridiculous; Especially the browser test. Therefore, I will no longer give them my ad revenue generating views.
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This is the best phone i ever had. My friends with iphones are shocked by how good it is. Iphone become a history on nexus release. Paid reviews will be popping everywhere against Nexus one.
I never had any problems. Market forces do not want google succeding in delivering a better product than existing technologies of windows and iphone.
You would listen to any lie, and all of them are proved wrong by good people in youtube videos.
Thanks Google and HTC for making such a wonderful phone.
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This has been my experience also. I've had die-hard apple fans gush over my nexus one. No joke. People see it, ask to play with it, and then they want it. Now, if google would only allow family plan upgrades.... I've had multiple friends who have family plans say that they would order it without hesitation if they could use their upgrades.
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I was suprised how Engadget is attacking it and google...Stopped respecting their news now.
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britoso, i thought i was the only one. I was following their coverage of nexus launch and where so ironic and nasty about the phone, i couldn't believe it either. I have unsubscribed from their rss in google reader. They are not worth the read for me.
Aslo lots of people proved them wrong about the browsing speed on youtube compared to iphone.
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I was suprised how Engadget is attacking it and google...Stopped respecting their news now.
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You won't understand unless you are experiencing the problems. I am not a Engadget fan at all but this time I am very glad that they covered it and put some pressure to Google. I am really frustrated about the touch screen issue.
I would of had ordered the nexus one the day it came out, but had issues with tmobile. Because no one at tmobile had a clue what was going on, and trying to fix my account, so i could order the phone for a reduced cost is not googles fault its tmobiles! i talked to 11 different people including 2 supervisors. they all are to dumb to look at my paperwork in the system to realize i got an upgrade 12 months prior when i got my g1. the people at tmobile store are to dumb to update the system. oops!!!!
i received the phone 5 days after the inital release, thought it was bs to pay 379, but thats what i paid for the g1 and its half of the hardware in the n1. i took it out of the box, started it up to make sure it worked. then rooted it!!!!
there may be a glitch here or there, which is not a big deal. its a brand new version of android, which no other phones have currently. so obviously there will be a few complaints. but when thousands of people are using a new device, they happen to find a few more problems then a few hundred. its just common sence.
those people that have an issue take a chill pill, this phone has great hardware on it, and has a great operating system. my phone has better hardware on it then some of my friends labtops...... and what did i pay..... 279 compared to what they paid for their labtops....
so regardless of what people say, i am a big fan of android!!!! have been since the day i picked it up and found out it was a linux kernal. thats the reason i bought my g1. but it was laggy, and slow, and didn't have a headphone jack. i had to wait a year for the n1 to come out, but it finally did. so everyone that has an issue with the N1 then go f*** yourself!!!!! ill be waiting happily for android 3.0 to come out!!!!
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I don't see where you're getting the idea that everybody is hell bent on seeing the Nexus One fail.
I've had "nexus one" in the news and weather widget since day one, so I get just about anything with those two words in it as a news article. Yes, there are a few iPhone fan boy web sites out there that just wont admit the N1 is a great phone. But by and large, after the first week, and after other writers have had time to spend with the N1, they always like it, and a few have even dumped their iPhones for it.
The rest (and vast majority) of the articles out there are pointing out Google's major miscalculations with regards to the launch, shipping, and especially support of the Nexus One. They just weren't ready.
Now, since Google and the Nexus One are getting SO much press attention, any little problem the phone encounters, whether it be HTC's fault, Tmo's, or Googles, is getting sent out on BLAST.
It's Google that screwed up. Not the Nexus One. And nobody is calling for it's death, save for a couple loser fan boys.
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Maybe I need to capitalize the N in nexus one. Because my widget and going online has pointed to almost exclusively negative statements about the N1.
There was an explosion of articles based on Engadgets reviews...there was another explosion after that ridiculous screen test ...then another batch with the 3G issues.
Very few places are givig the N1 a fair shake. Ars technica , Diggnation/Kevin Rose , Leo Laporte being the only ones I can name that seemed either unbiased or admitted any bias.
Engadget , Boygenius ,TechCrunch,PC ,World etc have given some bizarre reviews and baseless feedback.
http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/rehashplus/post.htm?id=63019568&scid=rvhm_ms
Gen 3 (Nexus One) came out mere weeks after the Milestone, using state-of-the-art technology not proven in the market. A shock to Motorola, certainly a shock to me, and I bought the Nexus One immediately when the specs were confirmed. How did it leapfrog Motorola's efforts? Probably because whoever made the Nexus One did not need to justify anything, project profits, etc. The only thing they needed to do was to make the Nexus COOL and to make it the bee's knees.
By all estimates, the Nexus One was a failure. Just because it had small sales numbers, limited distribution by telcos. But anyone who wanted it can buy it. For most people outside of the US, it's expensive like hell because it has none of the telco subsidy bull****. But it has no locks, no telco overlays, no badly customized custom user interfaces, it's easy to root, to hack, and to make it the phone of your dreams. It's the best handset I ever owned. Ever. Speaking of today, of course.
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The bolded really hit home.
I sincerely hope Google doesnt flat out give up on it. That they do have a sequel that will be available to all carriers. Nexus One pushed everything forward and back to back with the Droid legitimized Android as a premiere (and to many) THE premiere mobile OS. The amount of powerful handsets that have been dropped the last 7 months is ridiculous and only due to Android. Otherwise we'd still be stuck on Winmo 6.5 , an iPhone with no retina display or multitasking ,or a dead WebOS. Regardless of sales figures the Nexus one was the most important handset to drop this year.
Sadly because of those low sales figures Im not sure if we'll actually see a pure Google Nexus 2.
All these phones without colored trackballs have me worried too =-O.
p.s leave some comments...I tend to support bloggers/writers who can write without gross bias. This guy also happens to love N1.
Generally agree, except for the part of "By all estimates, the Nexus One was a failure". Low sales number don't equal failure. Look at PS3, they just broke even on that thing, and they sold A LOT.
Besides, google never planned to make money on phones. They are not htc. They don't make phones. They plan to make money on the OS and partnerships with manufacturers who want to run Android (+ google ads).
People forget that Nexus One, although branded as google phone, is actually an htc headset.
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Generally agree, except for the part of "By all estimates, the Nexus One was a failure". Low sales number don't equal failure. Look at PS3, they just broke even on that thing, and they sold A LOT.
Besides, google never planned to make money on phones. They are not htc. They don't make phones. They plan to make money on the OS and partnerships with manufacturers who want to run Android (+ google ads).
People forget that Nexus One, although branded as google phone, is actually an htc headset.
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It didnt shake anything up.
Most people have no Fn clue wth a Nexus One is.
Sales figures were laughable.
Thats what people will measure it by.
As a piece of technology it was massive success. Considering the BRUTAL bias and flat out bogus reviews it received , the 3g, wonky soft buttons , and MT problems you'd expect it to be a total dud.It was anything but.
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It didnt shake anything up.
Most people have no Fn clue wth a Nexus One is.
Sales figures were laughable.
Thats what people will measure it by.
As a piece of technology it was massive success. Considering the BRUTAL bias and flat out bogus reviews it received , the 3g, wonky soft buttons , and MT problems you'd expect it to be a total dud.It was anything but.
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True, but I think we have to understand that goal was never to sell millions of Nexus Ones and make tons of money. N1 is kinda like a Android demo phone. Something that manufacturers and interested developers/users can try and see where Android is going, what it really is. That's the real goal, not to sell it as a regular money-making gizmo.
I think in that sense, N1 was a huge success. Think about it. Manuf. and developers tried it out, and loved it. Proof is that immediately manufacturers like htc, motorola and samsung (not even mentioning logitech, gm, cisco...) jumped on the bandwagon, seeing the potential in it.
I think the real hardware "money makers" were always intended to be Evo 4G, Galaxy S, some lower-end android phones that AT&T is launching.. Those are your standard gizmos whos success you can measure in sales numbers.
G1 -> Nexus One are special, their success is not to be measured in sales, but in exposure and future developments.
I have yet to handle any phone that feels as solid and expensive as my Nexus One.
I'd love to get my hands on a Nexus Two.
It doesn't even have spec rumors yet and I want it. I love the openness of it and that it's the one that gets Googles focus. Love it!
There won't be a nexus two.
Google is sitting on a pile of Nexus Ones and is trying to unload them anyway they can. It's painfully obvious retail hardware is not a business they want to further pursue.
Your best bet for another phone as open as the nexus will be the next developer phone, or something from Nokia's brand.
Google, give me a Nexus Two with the following:
4.3" Screen (720p-ish resolution)
Next-gen processor (hummingbird? or one of those duel-core cpus?)
768+ MB of RAM/ROM
Front Facing camera (VGA is fine)
8+ MP regular camera
Optical trackpad (see blackberry)
Hardware back, menu, home, search buttons
HDMI out
8GB internal storage (16 would be nice too )
Google have never actually said that the Nexus One was a failure right? They said that the Web Store is a failure as it didn't meet their expectations. The Nexus One not selling so many units is because it was only available on a failing web store. When Google announced they were closing the web store they said that Nexus One's will be sold in retail stores, they didn't say they are discontinuing the product like how Microsoft have with the Kin phones.
And Google have said that the reason the Nexus One didn't appear on Verizon and Sprint was because Google changed the sales model early on (choosing to close the web store but announcing it much later) and as the networks were going to get equivalent phones to the Nexus One, Google and the networks decided to pull out. I reckon the reason why the Nexus One was delayed so much on the Vodafone network was due to the fact that Google were changing their sales model.
However the Nexus One did achieve a goal of pushing manufactures to produce high quality phones. The Nexus One specs are now like a minimum for all future smartphones.
The nexus one was being produced at the same time as all the other HTC lineup, it's actually the lower end of HTC current snapdragon line.
Had google not bid on this specific model, we would proably be seeing this exact phone Labeled T-Mobile MyTouch HD or something without and unlockable bootloader.
do you guys honestly think google expected to sell millions of nexus one's when all they did is throw up a few ads on a few websites? they didnt do any primetime TV ads, nothing. you honestly think that google didnt do that on purpose? no way would they have expected huge sales with that kind of marketing platform (or lack thereof). they wanted a develper phone, and that's what they got. of course if they bought primetime TV space like apple does, then they would have sold a lot more. i dont see how people fail to see this logic.
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There won't be a nexus two.
Google is sitting on a pile of Nexus Ones and is trying to unload them anyway they can. It's painfully obvious retail hardware is not a business they want to further pursue.
Your best bet for another phone as open as the nexus will be the next developer phone, or something from Nokia's brand.
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If that'd be true in any way, u'd see discounted prices and specials for N1.
Do you? Cause if you find one, I'd love to be proven wrong (my friend wants nothing but N1 now).
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If that'd be true in any way, u'd see discounted prices and specials for N1.
Do you? Cause if you find one, I'd love to be proven wrong (my friend wants nothing but N1 now).
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They still have an investment in them, they're not going to willingly lose that money.
My comment was directed at their current strategy of selling them in "retail stores all over the place".
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do you guys honestly think google expected to sell millions of nexus one's when all they did is throw up a few ads on a few websites? they didnt do any primetime TV ads, nothing. you honestly think that google didnt do that on purpose? no way would they have expected huge sales with that kind of marketing platform (or lack thereof). they wanted a develper phone, and that's what they got. of course if they bought primetime TV space like apple does, then they would have sold a lot more. i dont see how people fail to see this logic.
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EXACTLY. You guys are jumping on a bandwagon of "N1 was a fail". It's completely wrong. Stop believing stuff that some trolls write on a forum.
It's extremelly shallow to think that all things that are released are released to sell as many as possible. Or that pure "items sold" would give you an idea of how successfull item was.
There are many, many cases of special edition cars, stereo systems, you name it. Some items are designed and sold for a different purpose. To increase awareness, to hit a small portion of the market. To create a sense of "rarity" or "urgency", etc etc.
Want proof? Ok. Remember the GMAIL model. First year or two you could ONLY get gmail by INVITE. If you didn't know, google wrote a book on "Virus Marketing". Creating a sense of rareness, coolness and priviledge towards a certain item. It works, they're not idiots. They are doing the same thing with N1. Just enough marketing to sell them, but not enough to sate people with the idea. Think about it.
In a way, you're holding a rare (or soon to be), barely advertised, special edition Android 2 phone. Don't complain that not everyone bought one. It was never meant to be.
Besides.. don't be naive. If google (one of biggest web advertisers in the world) would want to REALLY advertise their phone... Trust you me, they'd advertise the BEJESUS out of it. They'd sell millions worldwide. That's just not their goal.
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They still have an investment in them, they're not going to willingly lose that money.
My comment was directed at their current strategy of selling them in "retail stores all over the place".
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Changing from online sales to store sales does NOT equal failed product.
Even if google indeed got dissapointed with online sale model, it doesn't mean that N1 is an epic fail, as quote from first post states.
I never said it was a failed product, they've already turned a profit on it.
Changing your primary business model shows your product wasn't a great success.
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I never said it was a failed product, they've already turned a profit on it.
Changing your primary business model shows your product wasn't a great success.
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Correct but the product that wasn't a success is the Google Web Store, not the Nexus One.
The Web Store failed, the Nexus One didn't.
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Correct but the product that wasn't a success is the Google Web Store, not the Nexus One.
The Web Store failed, the Nexus One didn't.
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This is more in general, and not directed specifically at you, Sarg, but at some of the similar comments along the same lines.
I'm pretty sure Google was aware of these things prior to selling the N1:
1 - Most people in the states buy phones subsidized from the carriers
2 - Most people don't want to shell out almost $600 for a phone
3 - The economy kinda sucks
Why would they proceed, knowing the above, if they intended the N1 to be as successful as the iPhone?
Perhaps, just perhaps, Google is aware of a small but serious community of people who love technology and want the latest and greatest. Perhaps Google's goal all along was to target a select few and push the development of the OS, the apps, and the general market for Android devices.
To me, the N1 is really like phase 2 or 3 in a lengthy strategic plan that is, in all aspects, going rather well.
1 - Secure an OS (Purchase of Android)
2 - Develop and market and OS (Release of G1)
3 - Grow the base
a - Advertise Androidb - Put out more Android devicesc - Release a killer device to spur OS, app, and marketshare development4 - Drop more serious Android devices (and we're seeing a ton now)
5 - World domination
The indent feature on 3a, b, and c didn't work quite like planned, but c'est la vie. You get the idea.
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Google, give me a Nexus Two with the following:
4.3" Screen (720p-ish resolution)
Next-gen processor (hummingbird? or one of those duel-core cpus?)
768+ MB of RAM/ROM
Front Facing camera (VGA is fine)
8+ MP regular camera
Optical trackpad (see blackberry)
Hardware back, menu, home, search buttons
HDMI out
8GB internal storage (16 would be nice too )
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I could imagine with Gingerbread coming in October, and the fact that the Dev 2 phone (myTouch) doesn't fit any of the requirements, that we'll see a pretty updated Dev 3 phone designed specifically for Gingerbread.
That's would make logical sense to me anyway.
I wish nexus one had more storage (4GB or higher) because it can't rely on memory card as it may fail. In addition, more storage can let me store more music on the phone itself and free the memory card for video.
Generally I am happy with nexus one and I think the migration from WM is a right decision.
... on the bus and we spent the rest of ride back conversating loudly about our awesome tablets, while being surrounded by iPad users. Shortest bus ride home ever...
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nice, its the best tablet no one seems to be talking about. I think people were waiting for the ipad and to be honest that underwelmed but folks are still going to flock to it
Some guy asked me "is that an iPad?" I said "no, its a Xoom." You should've seen the look of befuddlement on his face....
Its sad that people don't know about the Xoom. Even worse when the same people ask, "why didn't you get an iPad?"
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Even worse when the same people ask, "why didn't you get an iPad?"
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True, but I like "enlightening" them Sometimes I think they even understand
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True, but I like "enlightening" them Sometimes I think they even understand
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Trust me. They don't.
Just give it time. Motorola screwed up with opening with the most expensive model when they should have gone with the wifi only version out of the gate. Regardless it will only be a matter of a few short months when Android tablets will be everywhere...and then...the developers will come running.
IOS is a joke but it works and it is simple. Apple will not change that which means the software innovation will be left up to Google. As soon as Apple makes their system even slightly more confusing...all bets are off. Icons are for smart phones in 2008...it is 2011 and soon people will want more and they will want choice...
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Trust me. They don't.
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Mostly don't, some even asked me what's so good about android, I had to ask them the same thing about iOS and they can't even explain that to me xD
I was having dinner with some friends tonight and whipped out my XOOM to show off the NES emulator (the pattern on the table cloths looked like Tetris, so it was only inevitable.)
The waiter came over and was like "Wha...How did you get Zelda on the iPad??" and I was like "It was really easy, actually! I downloaded it from the Android market, because it's a Motorola XOOM. You can't do that with an iPad unless you jailbreak it."
He was in awe. lol
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Just give it time. Motorola screwed up with opening with the most expensive model when they should have gone with the wifi only version out of the gate. Regardless it will only be a matter of a few short months when Android tablets will be everywhere...and then...the developers will come running.
IOS is a joke but it works and it is simple. Apple will not change that which means the software innovation will be left up to Google. As soon as Apple makes their system even slightly more confusing...all bets are off. Icons are for smart phones in 2008...it is 2011 and soon people will want more and they will want choice...
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Agreed. Who wants multiple screens with a bunch of icons when you can actually make your screens look like a web site with various widgets with useful information that matters to you.
I feel it too. Everyone seems consumed by the *cough* ipad, that they don't realize tablets even exist for android. The xoom kills 'em all! Android is sooooo much better than the other *cough again* competitors. Once an "apple" lover sees the xoom in action they'll sure change to the better side!
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I would reply "Err what's iPad btw?" And let them explain then we can have fun asking the shortcomings
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Some guy asked me "is that an iPad?" I said "no, its a Xoom." You should've seen the look of befuddlement on his face....
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A girl at my school saw me playing fruit ninja on my XOOM and said "how did you get the iPad 2 already?" *facepalm*
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A girl at my school saw me playing fruit ninja on my XOOM and said "how did you get the iPad 2 already?" *facepalm*
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Should've said "how did you become a dumbass?"
might be a bit overboard, but it'd get the point across.
These people aren't dumb nor is it their fault that they're not aware of the Xoom. You should be more annoyed at Motorola's marketing. I have seen one commercial and quite honestly....it sucked.
I think Android will always have this problem...Apple is one company and Android devices are made by a number of different manufacturers. Makes it hard to market Android as a whole. I guess things will get easier once the market is flooded with Android tablets.
Best thing to do is point out the positives of Android vs IOS without being a d-bag.
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Really lame fanboy comments on here, but it's a Xoom forum so it's excusable i guess.
If you like your Xoom, then fine, why deride others who like their iPads? If nobody you've come across knows about the Xoom or keeps mistaking it for some sort of iPad-thingy, then whose fault is that? Those people are neither stupid or dumb like you all seem to think. I have an Epic and an iPad, both of which i like and use quite well. Won't be getting a Xoom, not interested, waiting to see the Galaxy tablet.
Where's the marketing from Motorola, where's the push from VZW? You'd think that these were the same folks who made a big push with the "Droid Does" phone campaign that brought Android awareness to all and sunder.
Walk into any BestBuy and see where and how they've displayed the Xoom. It's in some nondescript corner somewhere with no ecosystem of accessories around it (at least the NYC store here). Almost like an afterthought...just something else we carry. No eye-catching signage, no display props, very little employees who go out of their way to even know about it...
This is what kills me why does there need to be marketing for a product you already know about hand possibly own? Plus aple users tend to be vocal about their devices as well fanactical to some extent which is fine. Why do people feel the need to judtify their own purchases or need to bash one in order to like another? I have a xoom, bought an I pad that I never see(wife and kids's really) and think both serve their purpose. Also one of apples biggest strengths isn't their products but their marketing.
You must all be using some different kind of Xoom then me. I love android more then any other OS but this thing is the biggest piece of janky **** I have ever used. Nothing works, everything force closes. Coming from a galaxy tab this is a giant step DOWN. Granted it ran froyo, but it ran it flawlessly. My friends nook color runs honeycomb better then this. Every minute I use this thing I get more frustrated. Picked it up last night bringing it back within the hour. Huge let down.
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I understand where you're coming from, LordLugard, and honestly I don't think people are stupid because they think the xoom is an ipad. Its just my humorous criticism of how I hate apple! Lol. Why? Because apple sucks. Why? ...just because. Lol. Im not being negative towards anybody, but think its funny. And I can care less about the exploitation of the xoom. I actually like being a part of something that's not so trendy. However, Motorola is making a lot of mistakes by not marketing the device properly and shipping it off "incomplete". Also, the xoom is super expensive...but I am definitely a happy camper! Its perfect for school, play, and among other things. Xoom xoom baby!
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Really lame fanboy comments on here, but it's a Xoom forum so it's excusable i guess.
If you like your Xoom, then fine, why deride others who like their iPads? If nobody you've come across knows about the Xoom or keeps mistaking it for some sort of iPad-thingy, then whose fault is that? Those people are neither stupid or dumb like you all seem to think. I have an Epic and an iPad, both of which i like and use quite well. Won't be getting a Xoom, not interested, waiting to see the Galaxy tablet.
Where's the marketing from Motorola, where's the push from VZW? You'd think that these were the same folks who made a big push with the "Droid Does" phone campaign that brought Android awareness to all and sunder.
Walk into any BestBuy and see where and how they've displayed the Xoom. It's in some nondescript corner somewhere with no ecosystem of accessories around it (at least the NYC store here). Almost like an afterthought...just something else we carry. No eye-catching signage, no display props, very little employees who go out of their way to even know about it...
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NYC is very much an iPad "keeping up with the Jones" kind of place. I can hear the conversation now. "Have you seen the latest iPad, simply incredible, I must have one". "Wilfred will you hold Tootsey so I can run to the Apple Store".
Handguns and Xooms will probably be banned at Starbucks.
3g issues on Verizon causing rebooting to regain 3g connections
http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=20052322&cid=null&bcid=&bid=-37
Facetime freezing.
http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=20046218&bid=20046218&bcid=null&test=null&emvAD=533x295
And still has wifi connection issues like the original ipad? And even more problems like light bleeding.
http://www.theipadguide.com/content/top-10-ipad-2-bugs-problems-and-complaints/7177401
Not trying to flame the ipad 2, but how can our xooms be called buggy and incomplete, when the ipad 2 seems just as rushed?
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You can't say that! They're all features, exactly as Apple intended
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Just as we wouldn't agree with macbots insults we should save ours, regardless of their accuracy
Just watch the XOOM Superbowl. All the anti macbot lulz we need.
Its all just a bit of harmless fun.
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Of course there's problems. There's problems with EVERYTHING.
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Of course there's problems. There's problems with EVERYTHING.
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That goes without say, but look at all the "tech gurus" and their "my opinion is fact tech articles" on their blogs and websites that claim the xoom is nowhere near the ipad 2 and it is such a solid device and had almost no issues. I think a lot of the overly biased reviews aren't helping the xooms sell. Many users on here write less biased more intuitive reviews over the tech sites online do.
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3g issues on Verizon causing rebooting to regain 3g connections
http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=20052322&cid=null&bcid=&bid=-37
Facetime freezing.
http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=20046218&bid=20046218&bcid=null&test=null&emvAD=533x295
And still has wifi connection issues like the original ipad? And even more problems like light bleeding.
http://www.theipadguide.com/content/top-10-ipad-2-bugs-problems-and-complaints/7177401
Not trying to flame the ipad 2, but how can our xooms be called buggy and incomplete, when the ipad 2 seems just as rushed?
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Do you really want one to start naming all that is worse about the Xoom? And yes, you're trying to flame with this thread.
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Do you really want one to start naming all that is worse about the Xoom? And yes, you're trying to flame with this thread.
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Yes sir, your opinion is right. I made this point because every major tech company bashes to xooms and neglects the obvious problems with the ipad 2. I also know all of the problems with the xoom, I own one and have for just over a month. Please tell me how I'm flaming here? I will openly admit many aspects of the xoom are beta and to me it should have been just like the chrome netbooks, given to people to test and enjoy not sold, but I am an early adopter as I have owned a G1, Nexus one, Nexus S, and my xoom, so I will gladly purchase what helps push the products forward as long as I see its value as a product and where I will actually need it in life.
I still however love my xoom, and all of its faults, and also believe the ipad and ipad 2 have their own market as well and by no means think either need to go away. You sir have no logical reason to call me a flamer I did not call it a flaming pile of ****, but a rushed device in many ways just like to xoom was.
Besides if I hated apple, I never would have bought my girlfriend her the 13" MacBook, the 24" iMac, or the 32gb wifi ipad she has but you sir can continue to assume you know all about people when I own far more apple products then the average person.
XOOM failures so as to appease you:
-Lag when moving anything when device is upside down.
-even when set to automatically update no market apps update.
-browser can crash quite about with the gesture lab.
-the power connector feels like its going to break when inserting the charge cable
-YouTube widget gets hung refreshing for me a lot causing desktop lag and has to be removed to stop it.
-though it doesn't bother me the video encoding is a big let down to many.
-the price tag is a bit daunting to many would are in the middle of.the road, I feel for its price the standard dock and a gel skin should come with it.
-I think the widget grid should be expanded to the edges
The list goes on and many have other problems I do not, and vice versa. To me when Andy Rubin says people cut to many corners on Honeycomb, being the largest reason the source code has not been released and Larry Page is assigning more people to the Android development team to fix things that maybe it wasn't by any means ready to be outside of beta. Just like gingerbread and the reason it took so long to make it to the Nexus One.
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That goes without say, but look at all the "tech gurus" and their "my opinion is fact tech articles" on their blogs and websites that claim the xoom is nowhere near the ipad 2 and it is such a solid device and had almost no issues. I think a lot of the overly biased reviews aren't helping the xooms sell. Many users on here write less biased more intuitive reviews over the tech sites online do.
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The problems with the Xoom a guaranteed. No SD card works, no one has LTE, no one has a wide variety of apps, everyone has laggy this or broken that.
Big deal if an iPad 2 or two have some random problem.
I love Android as much as the next guy. To say that Apple is not miles ahead in the tablet war is foolish and fanboyish. I know its difficult for some people to give credit where credit is due.
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The problems with the Xoom a guaranteed. No SD card works, no one has LTE, no one has a wide variety of apps, everyone has laggy this or broken that.
Big deal if an iPad 2 or two have some random problem.
I love Android as much as the next guy. To say that Apple is not miles ahead in the tablet war is foolish and fanboyish. I know its difficult for some people to give credit where credit is due.
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Did I state they were not miles ahead? Calling a wifi issue which stems from the last generation ipad not a major issue is something foolish. It was brushed off as a software related issue that was never fixed as has carried over into the second generation iPad. Next everyone tears the Nexus s for not reconnecting to 3g without a reboot and everyone is screaming bloody murder in the Nexus s forums and it gets flammed everywhere for it, but you call it not a major issue on an ipad 2?
Obviously you missed my early response that I have in fact purchased an iPad along with several other Apple products ovet the past 6 years (and in fact to add to that we both had 80gb ipod videos), for my girlfriend and in turn I would say is better quality build than an iPad 2. If i didnt feel credit was due to Apple they wouldn't have recieved about $4000 over the past years in product purchases. I feel the ipad 2 is a rushed device, I am most calling it garbage by any means, but in all honesty I think the only problem with the first gen is that it lacked sufficient ram when the OS updated and it recieved faux multi-tasking. Other than that it feels like a rushed device, to maintain momentum they a ready had. Please tell me how anything I am saying is fanboyish?
If I even thought the ipad was not a quality device my girlfriend could use for daily tasks and presenting her portfolio as a Graphic Designer with then, I would have not made the purchase and would have tried to sway her interest in waiting for android tablets. I said there is and will be a market the ipad fills that android tablets will never fill, ease of use no matter age or tech background, anyone can pick it up and love it where as watching people with android tablets, like my xoom people get confused.
What is happening with all of these issues is no different then how the xooms list of need to fix asap is piling up, they are both rushed devices, I feel neither one was ready for the market quite yet, and yet both wanted to be out either first or close enough to disrupt the others launch. That said the woes of the xoom are heavier in some areas, but to see people treating issues like the ipad 2 as nothing but a minor problem and the xoom as a not worthwhile purchase is where this thread is intended in meaning.
If I had not started with a G1 and stuck with google experience devices all the way through now I'd probably be a livid user and would have returned my xoom by now. I think that being a linux user for over 7+ years has also attributed to my patience with software issues can always be fixed, especially when there is a strong community backing it.
Say what you want, call me a fan boy, ill recommend a first Gen ipad any day to an average consumer with little understanding of electronics over an ipad 2 any day. I recommnd the Xoom to people with above average knowledge(or the want to learn), patience, and appreciation for the finished product when it comes.
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The problems with the Xoom a guaranteed. No SD card works, no one has LTE, no one has a wide variety of apps, everyone has laggy this or broken that.
Big deal if an iPad 2 or two have some random problem.
I love Android as much as the next guy. To say that Apple is not miles ahead in the tablet war is foolish and fanboyish. I know its difficult for some people to give credit where credit is due.
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Not to metion that apple has shipped 2.4 million ipad2s already compared to maybe 100k Xooms for motorola. So any little bug is going to have a much bigger effect. Say both the xoom and the ipad2 have the exact same wifi bug stemming from a certain type of router. The ipad2 is gonna have 24 people affected for every one person for the xoom. So problems will be much more pronounced when you ship the volume apple does.
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If I had not started with a G1 and stuck with google experience devices all the way through now I'd probably be a livid user and would have returned my xoom by now.
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I know what this place can do. I put up with the abomination of a phone the Captivate was for months. My brother returned it for a Samsung Focus. Fast forward 8 months or so and my phone runs circles around his.
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I was in my anatomy and physiology class today, and I had my iconia with me. I was on Google body and splashtop hd, when a kid behind me asked what tablet I had. So I told him and then he said oh and then pulled out is icrap and started messing around with it showing the person next to him all the things it does. About 20 mins later, the guy that he was showing his pad to asked him, "why is the kids( my iconia) is faster and what is the difference". And then I hear the guy with the I pad say, "oh that's a android tablet, its for poorer people who can't afford an ipad. Its like a cheep mockup. Its not faster it just seems like it because it only runs simple corny apps." He knew I heard him, he said it deliberately. I wanted to blow up after I heard him say that. >:-o
I'll stop there before I act like a troll, lol , just needed show you how much I love apple fanboys
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You should have put that punk in his place! What a complete loser!
I just laughed after instead of arguing. You know how apple arguments turn out though
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Doesn't this sound like an episode of South Park?
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Doesn't this sound like an episode of South Park?
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XD lol
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Screw the tablet talk, I would have turned around and cracked him in the face for trying to be a smart ass.
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Screw the tablet talk, I would have turned around and cracked him in the face for trying to be a smart ass.
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With his IPad just to show him how fragile it is lol
Screw the ipad I would of slapped him with my heavy aluminum iconia lol
I would have either stalked him after class in order to kick his ass, plugged my thumb drive into my Iconia, or simple said that iPads are for people too stupid to use Android.
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Why lower yourself to this persons level? If he wants to believe his iPad is the bees knees, let him. Just show those same folks the difference when he's not around and let them decide for themselves.
It has been my observation for some time now that while there are some people who use Apple and iOS purely for functionality, so much of the time it is about having the "in" thing and being able to show off to others. It is not that the iPad is better at all, it because it is like a fashion statement. This anecdotal tale reveals just one more example of it. People think they are hot snot on a silver platter but in the end they just show they are nothing more then cold buggers on a paper plate.
You should have loaded a flash animation type website. And asked him to do the sa.me.
Then show his friends.or play a videofor the flash drive in your pocket.take him thru all the settings configuration. Or GPS a map to his house.take a decent picture of him holding his ipad. There camera is lame
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plugged my thumb drive into my Iconia, or simple said that iPads are for people too stupid to use Android.
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Amen! How the OP kept his mouth shut is beyond me. There's no way I would have let that kind of ignorance fly around me. I probably would have fired up an emulator and started playing just to show off a bit
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You should have loaded a flash animation type website. And asked him to do the sa.me.
Then show his friends.or play a videofor the flash drive in your pocket.take him thru all the settings configuration. Or GPS a map to his house.take a decent picture of him holding his ipad. There camera is lame
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This happened to me, although unintentionally. I was somewhere with my cousin, where he already had wifi set up on the local hotspot, but I didn't. Someone else asked us to look up a web page, and naturally it took me a little longer cause I had to put in the wifi credentials.
Well, it turns out, he couldn't load the page cause it was mostly flash. I could. I wasn't smug, because he had already acknowledged that android was the superior product. Back when he bought his, iPad was the only viable option. He is also the type to technologically draw within the lines, so ipad fits his needs perfectly.
I've had the Mac vs non-Mac agrument before with other people, though. The sad thing is, you will never win this argument with reason. Mac addiction is akin to religious zealotry; they will go to any length or rational to justify the position that a Mac product is superior.
In addition to that, Mac simply has better brand recognition. You can build a tablet that is faster, thinner, lighter, better in every way and half the price; people will still walk right past it at the store because they want the one with the Mac logo.
They want to be able to tell their friends they have an iPad.
I've noticed that android phones are getting a little more public recognition now, though. This is anecdotal, but I've noticed that when I pull out my Samsung phone, most people know it's an android and can draw the distinction between android and iphone. I don't imagine it will be long before android tablets get the same treatment.
Give it time.
I don't know about you guys, but I don't have any problems finding apps on this thing. Sure there aren't as many as the iPad but after a while all you get are 50 versions of the exact same thing.
One thing I should point out is that there STILL isn't a facebook app for the iPad. There is one for the iPhone but no tablet optimized version yet, and after how long since the first iPad came out?
If I were you I would show him a random cool flash site and ask him to go to it on his ipad so we can see how it scales up(or smth like that) and when he fails at loading it I would laugh my ass off.
If I were you, I will not care at all. My Tablet serves me fine and I don't care about what others are using. I use the tools I need, not the tools others need, and for me Android is being fine. I use to have an iPad and it wouldn't adapt to my needs, so I got ride of it. Nothing wrong about the iPad, simply it didn't fill my needs. I'm not married to an OS, whatever it will be iOS, Android, WebOS, Windows8. I can't switch easily to another table if I find a reason to do it. I don't care about the OS but about the applications and be able to use all my potential with the tablet.
So enjoy your tablet, continue with life and don't pay attention to the background noise.
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I don't know about you guys, but I don't have any problems finding apps on this thing. Sure there aren't as many as the iPad but after a while all you get are 50 versions of the exact same thing.
One thing I should point out is that there STILL isn't a facebook app for the iPad. There is one for the iPhone but no tablet optimized version yet, and after how long since the first iPad came out?
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Same here, I can find any app that I need. Apple does have a lot of good apps but that's because developers go to apple first. But now that apple is making it a pain to upload apps ( especially if its better then theirs) to the store, dev are now going to android
In a year or even a few months android will be number one for apps
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Show off a porn app and ask him if Apple allows that on there App store..
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Show off a porn app and ask him if Apple allows that on there App store..
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Now you get a big ty for that.....not! lol