[Q] any deal on black friday? - Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

is there any chance of nexus 4 going on sale on black friday?
also have earlier nexus devices gone on sale?

kashsih93 said:
is there any chance of nexus 4 going on sale on black friday?
also have earlier nexus devices gone on sale?
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Through carrier (T-Mo) yes, decent chance. Through the Play Store, I highly doubt it, rumor has it Google is already subsidizing each phone to the tune of nearly $400

I highly doubt Google is subsidizing these phones. And regarding the black friday sales, I doubt there will be any for this phone…I'm sure it will sell just fine at the current pricepoint.
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USSENTERNCC1701E said:
Through carrier (T-Mo) yes, decent chance. Through the Play Store, I highly doubt it, rumor has it Google is already subsidizing each phone to the tune of nearly $400
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The phone wouldn't even cost $400 to manufacture
edit: I have just read the article posted and what a load of rubbish it is!
selling for $400 below what is usually expected of a high end android phone IS NOT subsidising the phone! Subsidising is selling for less than the cost to manufacture a distribute. The phone is self will cost c.$150 to manufacture (maybe less) plus 5-10% to distribute.

GR36 said:
The phone wouldn't even cost $400 to manufacture
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Granted there are a lot of sites out there showing it cost ~$200 to manufacture a phone. Such as http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_does_it_cost_to_make_a_cell_phone
What they don't take into account is R&D, salaries, corporate profits. LG and Google need to pay all the employees who are involved in this device from the day it was proposed until whenever, probably more than a year down the road, that it hits its end of life. LG still plans to make a profit on the device itself. Why else do some devices sell unlocked for >$700 dollars. When it is said that Google is subsidizing the device they are talking about absorbing all those costs while not screwing over their hardware partner.
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GR36 said:
edit: I have just read the article posted and what a load of rubbish it is!
selling for $400 below what is usually expected of a high end android phone IS NOT subsidising the phone! Subsidising is selling for less than the cost to manufacture a distribute. The phone is self will cost c.$150 to manufacture (maybe less) plus 5-10% to distribute.
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I'm not claiming credibility for the article, but it is one of many touting this rumor. I'm just pointing it out. And I do believe Google is subsidizing the device, though perhaps not to that extent. I don't expect they can take any more of a loss for black friday sales than they already taking on standard sales.

It's highly probably they're doing what Sony did with the PS3 - as far as I recall they didn't make a loss but they sold the units at close to zero profit to get Blu Ray into homes. That proved to be a clever move if you look at the demise of HDDVD.
Now I don't think even Google expect this to kill off the competition in that way, but flooding the market with low priced high end Android devices increases their market share, the price makes other manufacturers look bad and they make more money from the Play and other related revenue streams like accessories, other nexus devices etc.

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Samsung Vibrant to only cost $330 OFF CONTRACT?

Its seems that the fine folks at phandroid have stumbled across this little nugget of info tucked neatly away in the fine print of the Samsung Vibrant's shop page.
†On approved credit. $82.50 down payment, plus 3 monthly payments of $82.50, required. 0% APR. Taxes & fees additional. Available only at T-Mobile-owned retail stores; see store for details.
phandroid.com/2010/06/30/samsung-vibrant-to-cost-330-off-contract-galaxy-s-fine-print/
If u do the math that equates to $330. I hope T-Mobile plays it smart and doesn't change the price before launch, because I definitely assumed the off contract price would be $450-$550
In any event, there also seems to be a "REAL" screen cap of the actual price tag on the page before TMO decided to remove it. Here's the link to that also...
androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s/112106-no-secret-vibrant-full-price-329-99-a.html#post1041189
DO RIGHT BY US LOYAL, DOWNTRODDEN CUSTOMERS TMO!!
ShawtyKING said:
Its seems that the fine folks at phandroid have stumbled across this little nugget of info tucked neatly away in the fine print of the Samsung Vibrant's shop page.
†On approved credit. $82.50 down payment, plus 3 monthly payments of $82.50, required. 0% APR. Taxes & fees additional. Available only at T-Mobile-owned retail stores; see store for details.
phandroid.com/2010/06/30/samsung-vibrant-to-cost-330-off-contract-galaxy-s-fine-print/
If u do the math that equates to $330. I hope T-Mobile plays it smart and doesn't change the price before launch, because I definitely assumed the off contract price would be $450-$550
In any event, there also seems to be a "REAL" screen cap of the actual price tag on the page before TMO decided to remove it. Here's the link to that also...
androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s/112106-no-secret-vibrant-full-price-329-99-a.html#post1041189
DO RIGHT BY US LOYAL, DOWNTRODDEN CUSTOMERS TMO!!
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Jesus Christ. Do you seriously think that the Nexus One retails for $529 but THIS phone - which is better in every.single.way is going to retail for $330?
That's quite literally one of the stupidest things I think i've read in a long, long time.
Personally, Im pretty sure the phone is going to cost $500+ because the on contract price vs. this supposed on contract price doesn't make sense and this also bucks the trend of previous costs associated with phones of this level.
However, it would be a nice (and courageous) move on TMO's part with this slightly, in comparison, paired down galaxy s model to move units.
Anyway, I thought I would share this sliver of hope with the TMO faithful lol.
This just reminds me of the entire "Project Dark" / EM+ debacle where some blogs reported errors/rumors as facts of an upcoming program. So when EM+ came out, the news wasn't that TMO cut their pricing, it was that they didn't live up to the hype that some bloggers posted about false pricing info.
Same damn thing now. People ARE going to be disappointed if they think that in any reality (normal or alternate) TMO is going to sell this phone for $330 without a contract to recoup the cost of the device.
also, this phone is a $750 phone unlocked:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...w?ie=UTF8&qid=1277908710&sr=8-1&condition=new
If you look at the T-mobile site now it says "125 down, with 3 monthly payments of 125" thus making the phone in the $500 range
as you said, that price has been pulled down, and curently at the bottom of the page is of the info screen (when you go to their web and shop for phones, and then for samsung phones) it shows:
"†On approved credit. $125 down payment, plus 3 monthly payments of $125, required. 0% APR. Taxes & fees additional. Available only at T-Mobile-owned retail stores; see store for details...."
others have reported off contract pricing at $439 / $439 and some at $499
we'll see this week
I was told by tmo to call on tuesday to find out the pricing of the phone
gothdroid said:
I was told by tmo to call on tuesday to find out the pricing of the phone
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Im going to try that to find out how much it cost with the Equipment Installment Plan
Store rep told me that it'd be at the lowest, similar priced to the HD2 or about 479. She said it won't go any lower than that.
reuthermonkey said:
Jesus Christ. Do you seriously think that the Nexus One retails for $529 but THIS phone - which is better in every.single.way is going to retail for $330?
That's quite literally one of the stupidest things I think i've read in a long, long time.
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The Vibrant is defiantly NOT better in every single way.
The Nexus one Has a Bluetooth car dock, No word about anything like that for the Galaxy S phones.
The Nexus One is made out of much much better materials, The vibrant feels cheap in the hand and the body looks cheap, the only thing on the Vibrant that looks better is the screen.
The Vibrant has no FLASH, How some one could make a High end Android phone without a flash is beyond me, but oh well.
siberslug said:
The Vibrant is defiantly NOT better in every single way.
The Nexus one Has a Bluetooth car dock, No word about anything like that for the Galaxy S phones.
The Nexus One is made out of much much better materials, The vibrant feels cheap in the hand and the body looks cheap, the only thing on the Vibrant that looks better is the screen.
The Vibrant has no FLASH, How some one could make a High end Android phone without a flash is beyond me, but oh well.
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looks like someones a little insecure
siberslug you mad?
Mad, No, I come off as mad ?
I'm just saying it's not better in every way, overall I think it's better in terms of hardware like the GPU, Screen and it's file sharing capabilities.
I would agree with him if the Vibrant was built from better material and had a flash, hell I would call it a Droid and EVO killer if it had a front facing camera in addition to the flash and better material but there is too much missing to call it that.
I just bought this to hold me over until project Emerald comes out in November
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looks like someones a little insecure
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LOL
You got me.
I like big Bad @$$ things to compensate for my short comings lol
A bit disappointed but no not insecure. I will still rub this phone into all the Iphone fanboys faces and be proud to do so !! even though I don't have a flash or front facing camera or an exquisite finish that I could roll around naked on

Only cost $205 to make Galaxy Tab

As much as I love the device but the true cost to make the tab is $205. I bought it around $650+tax (AT&T). Feeling guilty... Yes, you have to make profit but that's a lot of profit...3x time the cost.
Why can't Samsung sell the device directly to us (without going through carrier)?
quattr0 said:
As much as I love the device but the true cost to make the tab is $205. I bought it around $650+tax (AT&T). Feeling guilty... Yes, you have to make profit but that's a lot of profit...3x time the cost.
Why can't Samsung sell the device directly to us (without going through carrier)?
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That may well be the cost of outright manufacturing, but it is the cost of development and testing that they have to make up, therefore charging such a retail mark-up.
That price only includes the cost of materials. What about the cost of labor or design or the cost of the manufacturing process? How much does that add to the final price?
That may be the cost of the hardware side of it, but as you know hardware just doesn't cut it with the Tab the need to tinker with the software and whatnot to make it work in some way.
So for argument sake lets say:
Hardware: $205
Software: $205
Right there is $410. Then lets say that samsung actually wants to make some profit so:
Main price: $410
Profit: $100
so thats $510, then the 4 major carriers have to make money somehow on top of that.
P.S. - Sorry if this was a log post; I got caught up in the moment.
Even If the price is $205 it is well worth it. After using it i can that it is a solid device.
Many forget shipping, duties for electronics, marketing, R&D, and others. It adds up quick.
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quattr0 said:
As much as I love the device but the true cost to make the tab is $205. I bought it around $650+tax (AT&T). Feeling guilty... Yes, you have to make profit but that's a lot of profit...3x time the cost.
Why can't Samsung sell the device directly to us (without going through carrier)?
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Typically cost of materials constitutes only about 20-30% of sale price. The rest is marketing, distribution, support, software development and updates, etc.
Returned devices are another contributer to the sale price.
It looks to me that Samsung selling it on the edge of profitablility. Comparison with iPad should account for extra profits that Apple gets from software sales. My guess it is covering a good portion of that marketing/distribution expenses.
quattr0 said:
As much as I love the device but the true cost to make the tab is $205. I bought it around $650+tax (AT&T). Feeling guilty... Yes, you have to make profit but that's a lot of profit...3x time the cost.
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It's already been said, but this is a real bug bear of mine, so I feel the need to post!
Companies like iSuppli provide details of the cost of "bill of materials" (BOM), which is a list the components that go into making a device. Whilst iSuppli themselves make it clear that they are talking about the BOM, the media just looks at the cost, compares it to retail, so that consumer can draw the erroneous conclusion that they are being ripped off.
In reality, the actual component cost is often way less than 50% of the total cost to actual manufacture, market, distribute, sell, and support a product.
I don't know for sure of course, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Samsungs profit on a $650 Tab is less than $100. The carriers themselves are probably making next to nothing per Tab, because they are hoping that each Tab sale either involves a lengthy contract, or that you'll be spending a lot of money on prepaid data.
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No offence, but this thread is irrelevant. Every device costs next to nothing these days.
If you wanna talk about overcharging, talk about football players wages.
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just be glad you dont smoke ciggarettes, those are like 2cents a pack to make. and cost 10 dollars to the consumer.
Your tab wont give you cancer either , yet.
These threads crack me up because they show how little business knowledge most tech people have.
Sure you could make a tab for $205 if you stole the design, and software. Oh yeah, you would also have to buy the components in bulk lots of several million to get those kind of prices.
The truth is that even if it does only cost Samsung $205 to manufacture the Tab, they will loose money on every unit sold until they hit their break even which will be in the multi-millions of units sold.
R&D is the biggest expense in the technology business. Marketing and distribution are not cheap either. The raw parts are often the cheapest part of the equation.

xoom only COSTS Best Buy $550!! WTF.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ps-to-1199-99-but-it-costs-best-buy-just-550/
So this makes me think that the price will be significantly lower than $1200 or $800. If not at Best Buy, someone else who can deal with less than 40% margins will sell this thing in the $6-700 range.
F*** Best Buy and their either 45% or even more obscene 118% markups.
CNET fed Motorolas ego tremendously when they gave the Xoom best of CES award...
legato89 said:
CNET fed Motorolas ego tremendously when they gave the Xoom best of CES award...
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+1 Clearly it did...
They think they can place apple price point/margin(actually even more than apple!) without any track record to proove it... Its ridicules... They clearly want to gouge the first adopters, and a month later i can guarentee they will drop the price by 200$ (especially when ipad 2 is unveiled...)
Its a sad day that im considering and ipad 2 over xoom/other android 3.0 cause of PRICE.
$1,999 is a placeholder price.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/motorola-xoom-up-for-pre-order-at-best-buy-for-1-199/
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Update: We've heard rumblings that this is indeed just a place holder -- much like the way other companies price products they don't want to sell at ridiculous levels -- and the final price will indeed be the $800 we've heard most consistently to this point.
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Also, it isn't as if the Xoom will be the only quality Honeycomb device out there. If it cost too much for your taste, wait until cheaper 3.0 tablets arrive. Looking at the trend so far most Honeycomb tablets have almost the exact same specifications anyways.
Botero said:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ps-to-1199-99-but-it-costs-best-buy-just-550/
So this makes me think that the price will be significantly lower than $1200 or $800. If not at Best Buy, someone else who can deal with less than 40% margins will sell this thing in the $6-700 range.
F*** Best Buy and their either 45% or even more obscene 118% markups.
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That's crazy. When I worked at Best Buy a few years back, I found little (if any) markup on almost all laptops. Apparently they've decided that the Xoom is a different story.
I'd like to think that purchasing at a Verizon store will be a different story, but I'm sure there are all kinds of deals in place to keep prices uniform across the industry. It would probably be cheaper getting one shipped from Europe.
Oh well. I'm thinking the Galaxy 10.1 looks better than the Xoom anyway, so maybe I'll stick around to see how it turns out.
Xevilious said:
That's crazy. When I worked at Best Buy a few years back, I found little (if any) markup on almost all laptops. Apparently they've decided that the Xoom is a different story.
I'd like to think that purchasing at a Verizon store will be a different story, but I'm sure there are all kinds of deals in place to keep prices uniform across the industry. It would probably be cheaper getting one shipped from Europe.
Oh well. I'm thinking the Galaxy 10.1 looks better than the Xoom anyway, so maybe I'll stick around to see how it turns out.
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The Galaxy 10.1 doesn't seem to come with a Sd card slot or even Hdmi port...yikes !
Arun01 said:
The Galaxy 10.1 doesn't seem to come with a Sd card slot or even Hdmi port...yikes !
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I hear ya there, SD card slot is a must in my mind for a tablet.
Love the design of the Tab 10.1 though, the backing looks so ergonomic.
If the xoom is locked down to modding like most other motorola stuff, the sd card won't be that big of a draw.
The markup is nuts, hence why I think you may be able to talk bestbuy into doing it out the door for 800, with the mobile service (that you can cancel).
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Didn't motorola state the SD slot on the Xoom wont work until they patch it at a later date? or am i thinking of another CES tab?
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The Galaxy 10.1 doesn't seem to come with a Sd card slot or even Hdmi port...yikes !
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Oh... I didn't realize that. Lame. It's a shame, because the device has a nice look to it.
Xevilious said:
That's crazy. When I worked at Best Buy a few years back, I found little (if any) markup on almost all laptops. Apparently they've decided that the Xoom is a different story.
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BB is probably trying to make some margin on the first few suckers (oops, customers). Expect a big price drop in a few months like the Galaxy tab.
jerrykur said:
BB is probably trying to make some margin on the first few suckers (oops, customers). Expect a big price drop in a few months like the Galaxy tab.
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You do realize a tablet like this would be price controlled by Verizon correct? Verizon controls prices of phones, just like ATT, Sprint, and Apple do.
@Xevilious : little margin is still made on laptops
Yeah god forbid companies try and make a profit on the products they make or sell
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Yeah god forbid companies try and make a profit on the products they make or sell
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Sirchuk said:
If the xoom is locked down to modding like most other motorola stuff, the sd card won't be that big of a draw.
The markup is nuts, hence why I think you may be able to talk bestbuy into doing it out the door for 800, with the mobile service (that you can cancel).
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Since when did Best Buy negotiate prices on a product like this?
Old MuckenMire said:
Yeah god forbid companies try and make a profit on the products they make or sell
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I am all for companies making money. But I must say, knowing that the device cost BB 550$.. I am no longer okay with Verizon forcing me to buy unwanted 3g for a month cranking up the already high price an unnecessary, and frankly incredibly expensive 1GB of data.
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Since when did Best Buy negotiate prices on a product like this?
I am all for companies making money. But I must say, knowing that the device cost BB 550$.. I am no longer okay with Verizon forcing me to buy unwanted 3g for a month cranking up the already high price an unnecessary, and frankly incredibly expensive 1GB of data.
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well you have to take into consideration that BB is probably not going to make a killing on this product. If they were confident that they would sell a lot of Xooms, the price would be less. They would be able to make up for it in volume.
I agree about the mandatory Verizon data but from my understanding you have three days to cancel it and get your money back for that. I myself am going to keep the months worth of data...I've always been with AT&T and am curious about Verizon's service in my area.
setite said:
Since when did Best Buy negotiate prices on a product like this?
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You might be surprised what they will do if there is still profit to be made. You can negotiate on just about all big ticket items, especially at the end of the quarter when they want to increase revenue numbers. Never hurts to ask for something like 5 or 10 percent off. Worked for me on a digital camera I wanted and a stove. They took another $200 off my stove, even beat the internet prices I found.
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Old MuckenMire said:
well you have to take into consideration that BB is probably not going to make a killing on this product. If they were confident that they would sell a lot of Xooms, the price would be less. They would be able to make up for it in volume.
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As I said earlier pricing is controlled by Verizon
And that employee cost that you see, is not always the price that Best Buy pays for an item. Tablets that require internet activation are in an entire different realm of pricing structures (especially since this is a Verizon tablet).
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You might be surprised what they will do if there is still profit to be made. You can negotiate on just about all big ticket items, especially at the end of the quarter when they want to increase revenue numbers. Never hurts to ask for something like 5 or 10 percent off. Worked for me on a digital camera I wanted and a stove. They took another $200 off my stove, even beat the internet prices I found.
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Only way money is coming off the xoom is price matching verizon, which is going to be selling it at the same price
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As I said earlier pricing is controlled by Verizon
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trust me, BB gives it's opinion to Verizon on what it wants to sell any given item for in their store and Verizon takes that opinion into account when pricing. BB doesn't have to carry any given device.... and Verizon or any other carrier has to work with them on price(as well as many other aspects) if Verizon wants that device in store. You can be sure Verizon's pricing would be different if they anticipated BB would sell tons more of them than they will currently.
All I am saying is this: if this tab was going to sell like the iPad, the price would be less. Verizon nor BB have the luxury of making their profit thru volume with this device.
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trust me, BB gives it's opinion to Verizon on what it wants to sell any given item for in their store and Verizon takes that opinion into account when pricing. BB doesn't have to carry any given device.... and Verizon or any other carrier has to work with them on price(as well as many other aspects) if Verizon wants that device in store. You can be sure Verizon's pricing would be different if they anticipated BB would sell tons more of them than they will currently.
All I am saying is this: if this tab was going to sell like the iPad, the price would be less. Verizon nor BB have the luxury of making their profit thru volume with this device.
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I know Best buy gives its opinion, but at the end of the day, its out of my hand. There are certain things like I said, that are price controlled regardless of how much Best Buy buys the item from. I'm sure Verizon also wants best buy to sell tons of xooms. During this past holiday I saw more people sold on buying tablets than laptops, sure the initial price is high, relative to what you get, but I'm sure it will come down.
And for what its worth, even though people here are complaining about the high price, this device will be extremely popular.
That being said if I see anything more in best buys system I'll try and post/make note of it

[Q] Nexus 4 cost - Google taking a loss?

At $300 for 8GB of storage and $350 for 16 GB of storage, the Nexus 4 is an incredible piece of technology for a very reasonable price. Compare this to the unlocked Galaxy S4 at $650 or the HTC One at $600, also available from Google Play. The hardware differences in the more expensive phones are:
- Super AMOLD LCD (vs. IPS LCD on Nexus 4)
- Polycarbonate body (vs. glass on Nexus 4)
- More built in storage (32 GB on S4, 16 GB on HTC One, although you can get a 16 GB N4 for $50 more)
- Better camera on the S4 (13 megapixels while HTC One and N4 have 8)
- MicroSD slot (no MicroSD slot on N4)
- Stereo speakers on the HTC One
- LTE 4G on S4
I don't see how the above list could explain nearly the nearly double price difference from the Nexus 4 to the S4 or the HTC One. Sure, the MicroSD slot, extra memory, and probably the polycarbonate certainly account for some of the price difference, but not double. I'm also skeptical that any custom software/skins on the S4 or HTC One would make up the difference.
Maybe Google is undercutting the others in its own store to drive customers to its own device. Or maybe Samsung and HTC purposely "enforce" a high retail price to work with carriers who offer subsidized phones with two year contracts. Do all S4 and HTC Ones come with radios for both GSM and CDMA? I can see the radios being an expensive piece of hardware, so maybe only including a GSM radio is helping to keep costs low.
I'm pretty sure that the production cost of these phones are quite similar. Probably around the $200 range.
So is Google taking a loss at selling the N4 at $299/$349? Probably not. They're probably not making much profit per device compared to Samsung or HTC though.
Is LG taking a loss by manufacturing the N4? Definitely not. LG has no reason to effectively give Google a phone to sell at a loss. They definitely have some sort of contract in place such that LG profits from this relationship. Besides, outside of Google Play, the price of the N4 is marked up.
How do we justify the cost of the Google edition S4 and HTC1 versus the N4?
Easy. The prices are simply marked up by Samsung and HTC. They happen to want more profit per device than the N4. So at the end of the day, is the S4 or HTC1 $300 better than the N4? Definitely not. It's just a matter of Samsung and HTC wanting more of your money.
HTC One is now $49 from AT&T with 2 year contracts.
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HTC One is now $49 from AT&T with 2 year contracts.
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That's a pretty solid deal for the One. However I don't believe it's Google's stock edition. That can only be found on the play store.
It's really do believe that they are selling it close to a loss, if not at a loss. There's just so much hardware there.
The thing you need to ask yourself is why. Why would Google sell such a great phone for SO cheap? Well, for one, it's not doing it solely for the profits like the other guys so the prices aren't insanely inflated. They do it to promote development on Android, to show what pure AOSP looks like (now the Google Edition phones also do this), and also to bring more end users into the Android environment. Make a high-end, affordable smartphone and more people will be willing to switch OS's. Plus, they don't spend millions upon millions promoting this phone like those other competitors do.
There are many reasons why it's cheaper and why Google continues to sell it. I just hope they continue with the Nexus line. Those new Google Edition phones have me worried about the future of the Nexus line. I hope it's not an indicator that they will stop making Nexii (?) in a few generations.
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They do it to promote development on Android, to show what pure AOSP looks like (now the Google Edition phones also do this), and also to bring more end users into the Android environment. Make a high-end, affordable smartphone and more people will be willing to switch OS's. Plus, they don't spend millions upon millions promoting this phone like those other competitors do.
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Agreed! This is what I was thinking about this morning as well. The price is compelling enough to even have iOS fan boys and developers to give it a try. And yeah, their advertising is much less. I probably wouldn't have heard of the Nexus 4 if one of my friends hadn't told me all about it. Google probably isn't taking a loss, but the margin can't be all that great either.
I'm just happy there is an affordable unlocked phone on the market with great hardware. I've never been a fan of the subsidized two-year contract. What other service locks you in for two years? With the affordable yet powerful Nexus 4 and T-Mobile (one of the "Big 4" carriers) doing away with contracts, the other carriers will be forced to adapt sooner or later.
Google doesn't need the money from selling Nexus devices. They can make it back from advertising.
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In demand smart phones have historically garnered lots of money from subsidies. It is the main reason why they are a major cash cow for Samsung and Apple. Their other products have no where near the margins of an iPhone or S3/4. As long as people keep paying $100/month cell phone bills in order to get their next to free flagship phone every two years, I doubt this will change.
Kudos to folks like Google, T-Mobile, and a number of MVNO's that are trying to bring more fair pricing to consumers than the AT&T's and Verizon's of the world, but the reality is that most folks are still paying way too much for devices and service.
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In demand smart phones have historically garnered lots of money from subsidies. It is the main reason why they are a major cash cow for Samsung and Apple. Their other products have no where near the margins of an iPhone or S3/4. As long as people keep paying $100/month cell phone bills in order to get their next to free flagship phone every two years, I doubt this will change.
Kudos to folks like Google, T-Mobile, and a number of MVNO's that are trying to bring more fair pricing to consumers than the AT&T's and Verizon's of the world, but the reality is that most folks are still paying way too much for devices and service.
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Is $100/month a genuine possibility or an exaggeration? Either way, the US carrier monopoly is extremely messed up. Over here in the UK you won't find very many carrier exclusive/branded phones at all, and the same goes for most other parts of the world. I feel sorry for anyone who has to carry around a device with a Verizon, AT&T or Sprint logo placed anywhere on their devices. The entire idea of it just seems stupid to me.
Nigeldg said:
Is $100/month a genuine possibility or an exaggeration?
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Heh heh... it is not an exaggeration. Most EU member agencies are far more consumer oriented than the US, who pretty much just lets capitalism reign supreme. The FCC is a joke when it comes to Cable and Cell providers (my cable/internet bill is $160/month... I watch three channels, ESPN, ESPN2, and GOLF from their lineup that I can't get OTA, but to have HD I have to sign for a hundred+ channel package).
Solutions Etcetera said:
Heh heh... it is not an exaggeration. Most EU member agencies are far more consumer oriented than the US, who pretty much just lets capitalism reign supreme. The FCC is a joke when it comes to Cable and Cell providers (my cable/internet bill is $160/month... I watch three channels, ESPN, ESPN2, and GOLF from their lineup that I can't get OTA, but to have HD I have to sign for a hundred+ channel package).
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Wow, $100/month for a phone comes out to twice what it would here in the UK. My dad got a GS3 when it was new for free on a £35/month ($50/month) contract, and even that's a bad deal to me. I'm currently paying £10/month ($15) for 250 mins, unlimited texts and 1GB of data which is pretty damn good compared to what you can get in the US. I'd assume the $100/month contracts at least have unlimited everything right?
Oh and OP sorry for the off-topic
Nigeldg said:
I'd assume the $100/month contracts at least have unlimited everything right?
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Minutes yes, data no (unless you have one of the coveted grandfathered data plans from before the point where the big three decided unlimited was a bad idea). Now a days, "unlimited" data plans mean vague "fair use" policies and throttling once you hit their cap. Sure you have "unlimited" data, but what use is it when they throttle it down to 3G or even 2G once you reach a given point.

Nexus 6 may become a bargain next year.

With the Nexus 6 being sold in alot more stores & carriers this time around, than past Nexus smartphones anybody think that the price will come down pretty quickly after the New Year.
Being a big Phablet popularity after the new year will probably dwindle, once the geeks and tech heads have got theirs the general public will probably think it just to big.
Then there the case of 2015 smartphones which will all be running either the Snapdragon 64bit 808 or 810 and will come with either 3 or 4GB of ram & smaller QHD screens.
The Nexus 6 on the Play Store will continue at the price it is now for the rest of the year, while the stores will probably drop the price significantly just to shift stock.
I wouldn't be surprised come March or April next year that the price of the 32Gb Nexus 6 is around 350 dollar,pound ect mark pending on which country your from.
What do you think?
I don't know how you expect the price to drop by as much as half.
At 350$ the nexus 5 is actually still a good phone. And the nexus 6 competes very well against phones in 700$ range.
Most carrier will just discount the price on contracts because they still make money. The price of buying outright usually never change especially less than a year after launch.
You have to remember that the reason google launched a premium 700$ nexus device was to show that google wasn't going to undercut other manufactures for the android silver program.
For those who aren't aware android silver the the program similar to gpe and android one where manufacture phones run stock android. The biggest reason that the manufactures didn't want to participate was that they couldn't differiante them selves enough if all the devices were running stock and if google had launched the nexus 6 at a 350$ price then Google would just cannabilze the market.
You have to remember that google has no reason to lower prices of nexus 6 and carrier only give people bigger discounts on phones for signing contracts.
Msrp doesn't change so the price of the phone won't. Yes you'll see maybe sales 100$ less within the year but that's a standard trend. Google probably charges 600$ to the retailers why would they sell it for anyless, they are a business not charity
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I don't recall Google lowering prices of their phones at all or by much.
Ian B
I can see them lowering it a Benjamin in 6-8 months I don't think that's out of the question
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I don't recall Google lowering prices of their phones at all or by much.
Ian B
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The only time that they reduced the price was N4, http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...-price-drops-by-100-199-for-8gb-249-for-16gb/
But yeah Google doesn't really bring any of the prices down. If anything, the carriers would for prices on contract.
I doubt the GPS price will change much, if at all. But it'll definitely become cheaper on places like eBay much more rapidly than previous Nexus devices now that it's sold on contract. It most likely won't be immune from the occasional carrier promotion or price reduction either once it ages a bit.
ixon2001 said:
...while the stores will probably drop the price significantly just to shift stock.
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LOL...What stock?

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