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T-Mobile HD2 video questoin...

I just played around with an HD2 at one of my local T-Mobile stores. I was very impressed. That screen is amazing and everything that I played with was so fast and smooth. I was wondering about the Transformers videos. I didn't get to dig into it too much to try to figure this out on my own. What format are the videos? I assume they have the video player built into it since it plays without any other UI just open it up and play pause etc. I was blown away with how fast you were able to seek to different spots on the video, no buffer/delay time at all. Is that a result thanks to the speedy processor or a great player or both? It would be nice to be able to encode movies and build in the player like that for other movies, or mod that player to be able to choose from a list videos?
I have not used a WinMo phone for a while, the last one I owned was a Shadow (Juno) so this is a big change. After playing with it I am very very tempted to go buy. I would be 100% sold if they had Android working on it and I could dual boot. Either way it is an awesome phone!

Those Transformers movies are mp4 encoded. What's happening is the phone is using the HTC stock video player from the albums. It's the only thing that properly uses hardware acceleration that I have seen, the quickness you see when moving around the slider in the movie is really processor based. The TP2 always takes a second or two to find your spot when doing that.

Very nice, so if I encode with MP4 as I can expect the same results as transformers is getting with the stock media player? TMPMP/Coreplayer , was always the "best" media player as far as I knew back in the day. It probably supports more codecs but are there any performance upgrades that you could expect from using that program over the stock video player?

Where can i get CorePlayer?

via Google: Coreplayer: http://coreplayer.com/
It is for sale on that site. It is a great media player for windows media devices.

NickPDX said:
It is for sale on that site. It is a great media player for windows media devices.
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I think spending $30 bucks on an app is a lil expensive.

malisha1 said:
I think spending $30 bucks on an app is a lil expensive.
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Coreplayer is currently not dealing very well with MP4 video files. The best way to play them back is via Windows Media Player of HTC Album player. MP4 currently offers the best quality and performance in video for the modern HTC WM/WP devices.

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Coreplayer is currently not dealing very well with MP4 video files. The best way to play them back is via Windows Media Player of HTC Album player. MP4 currently offers the best quality and performance in video for the modern HTC WM/WP devices.
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Is it possible to get coreplayer for free?

[Q] How do you play Video?

This may sound completely stupid, but how do you play video on your xoom? I mean there isn't even a dedicated video app. How the hell do you release a tablet and expect it to compete with the I pad without a native video player or support for most video formats? I just transferred a couple of avi files that don't show up anywhere because there's no app to play them.

verusevo said:
This may sound completely stupid, but how do you play video on your xoom? I mean there isn't even a dedicated video app. How the hell do you release a tablet and expect it to compete with the I pad without a native video player or support for most video formats? I just transferred a couple of avi files that don't show up anywhere because there's no app to play them.
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See: http://www.gigadroid.com/androidtalk/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=21

verusevo said:
This may sound completely stupid, but how do you play video on your xoom? I mean there isn't even a dedicated video app. How the hell do you release a tablet and expect it to compete with the I pad without a native video player or support for most video formats? I just transferred a couple of avi files that don't show up anywhere because there's no app to play them.
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Theres an icon on your homescreen that says gallery. It plays movies as long as they are supported format. Try rockplayer universal it will play avis

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.tencent.research.drop&feature=search_result
QQplayer works for me too. Multichannel too. i havent tried mkv files yet
edit: it does play MKV files and with subtitles

Great just what I was afraid of. I have almost a 1TB of movies/videos/TV shows. So my only options are to convert them all or use a non tablet android app to play unsupported files. Thanks for the info though guys.

inspiron41 said:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.tencent.research.drop&feature=search_result
QQplayer works for me too. Multichannel too. i havent tried mkv files yet
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mkv high profile will not work on Xoom with any current player and I tried them all.

Ya i just tried a couple of files i had already converted for my moms ipad. a couple were DVDrips and those played pretty much fine using rocklayer. But one was a converted 1080p music video. The music video played fairly well but there was a noticeable difference in the frame rate from the standard def videos.it wasnt at all choppy but it wasnt as fluid as i would have liked. If this is what im going to have to expect from HD video then im definitely not sold on this tab.

verusevo said:
Ya i just tried a couple of files i had already converted for my moms ipad. a couple were DVDrips and those played pretty much fine using rocklayer. But one was a converted 1080p music video. The music video played fairly well but there was a noticeable difference in the frame rate from the standard def videos.it wasnt at all choppy but it wasnt as fluid as i would have liked. If this is what im going to have to expect from HD video then im definitely not sold on this tab.
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It is certainly not what i expected. Hopefully it can be fixed with an update or app.

i downloaded dvd catalyst 4 online it was 9.99 (normally $20) and has a preset for motorola xoom
just load any dvd into your computer click go and when its done it will have you connect the xoom and transfer it
then click on the gallery app and there it is. the quality is great too

https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/63258/kw/video/p/7901,7906
You can use Handbrake, a free video encoding program. I found that redoing h.264 high profile to h.264 main profile(see the link) and dropping motion estimation method to diamond, Subpixel ME & Mode Decision to 0, and avg bitrate to 4000 kbps makes for a lower encode time(20ish minutes for 1 hour on my i7 920 win 7 64bit). Excellent quality too vs original.

I'm attempting to convert a 720p copy of inception using handbrake right now. (6 hrs estimated time) what a pain in the ass. I set it to the APPLE preset. Which I'm hoping/assuming is what one would use for the ipad. Ill let you guys know how it turns out. If it does work won't be so bad as I can just set a bunch of files to convert in queue while i sleep.

verusevo said:
I'm attempting to convert a 720p copy of inception using handbrake right now. (6 hrs estimated time) what a pain in the ass. I set it to the APPLE preset. Which I'm hoping/assuming is what one would use for the ipad. Ill let you guys know how it turns out. If it does work won't be so bad as I can just set a bunch of files to convert in queue while i sleep.
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Iceytea posted a handbrake preset for Xoom. I am trying it now and it is going much faster. 2 hour 720p movie took me 1 hour estimated with Apple universal preset and with this one 45 minutes. Can't comment on quality yet as it is still converting.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11695846&postcount=50

someone on here said that mkv works on RockPlayer on the Xoom

Neo3D said:
someone on here said that mkv works on RockPlayer on the Xoom
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mkv works with stock player as well just have to convert it to baseline. High profile mkv works with nothing on the Xoom. I tried them all.

verusevo said:
Great just what I was afraid of. I have almost a 1TB of movies/videos/TV shows. So my only options are to convert them all or use a non tablet android app to play unsupported files. Thanks for the info though guys.
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Dude, the SDK was just released this week. There will be a tablet optimized app within a month or so... your video files are not wasted.

Great movie player!!

I've been looking for a good movie player and found a app called Vital Player..it works great.try it out!! Works better than rock player and qq player to me.

The reviews complain about proper support for mp4, m4v and mkv. What is your experience?

I personally have played 720p mp4 videos on it with no problem.I will try it a bit more when I get home but so far it works great!

It doesn't play sound using my 720p mkv movies.

played sound on my handbrake-encoded 720p .mkv file but no picture...

I got an idea, I'll put my xoom on top of yours and we'll get sound AND video!

You have to slide your finger up or down the right side for sound & sliding your finger on the left side adjusts brightness.It's pretty neat.I love it so far & my movies look far better using this app than the stock player
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Sound is at 100%, its the same problem as with the native player.

have problems playing back sound with MP4 video and switching it to software decoding doesnt help play anything back.

I use total video converter to do all my videos.I don`t know if that has anything to do with it.I`m watching Descent 2 now on it with no problem.Sorry that it doesn't work for you all.I tried. :-(

Ill stick with rockplayer seems to work best for me

i found vplayer to be outstanding. Plays anything. ..however since I got my zoom it has stopped working. Dev said he would work a fix. As a side note the app has a lot of negative reviews due to the fact he started charging for the app. Not fair to humbug any means.
Have you been able to make it work on xoom?

ilogik said:
I got an idea, I'll put my xoom on top of yours and we'll get sound AND video!
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The mating of Xoom tablets is strictly forbidden by Motorola and the laws of nature.
On the bright side, you may end up with an Atrix...
Sent from my Evo using the XDA App

Until we get a Tegra 2 and/or OpenMAX accelerated application everything is going to be half ass. I hope someone who knows how to code has a XOOM. I tried reading a basic book and I got lost. Coding isn't my cup of tea. I keep telling myself someone will cone through for us before I can figure it out myself.

I just don't get it ..Vital Player works perfect on mine..It even has a Setting especially for the Xoom so i dont see why it work for you all..I also see that there are 2 version of Vital player ..1 is called vital player neon..that one didnt work for me.I'll be buying the full version of Vital player because it plays the files rockplayer & qqplayer wouldnt play for me.

Please keep it on topic. Thank you.

I've downloaded and tried all the players on the market and still have the best all around playback with Rockplayer Universal (from the rockplayer website).

I use DVDFab to convert easily and fast, and Act 1 video player on device

Update! PROGRESS! Probably some minor bugs and we are A-OK!

Hey now this is GOOD NEWS!
Every since I have had this machine I haven't been able to play HD and I mean Hiiiiigh Definition 720 Mp4 files.
What always happens when I played them they fastforwarded by itself but with the MX player you have the option to play via H/S or S/H meaning play with software or playing with hardware software.
So you simple set to (surprisingly S/H) you can now play those HD files that are 720p and also hear the sound and in sync and everything, before I had to use handbrake and wait for 7 hours to decode a movie from 720 HD Mp4 TO 720 HD Mp4 (weird) using xoom setting wit Handbrake.
Now I can watch HD movies on my tab finally without conversion!
Next step MKV files! Can be seen excellent on Mobo player but without sound and with VLplayer you can hear sound and see the image but the video stutters all the time.
Give it up to our developers/modders! That managed to fix one CRUCIAL AND COMMERCIAL function!
Cheers!
07/08/2011 Edit: MX Video Player got an update and can now play MKV with new feature setting S/W Decoder (fast mode) and High Definition 720p mkv's can now be played with little or no lag! Awesome!

Really? Nobody happy?

High profile which level? Moboplayer always work fine for me even better on galaxy based rom
I'll test mxplayer when back to home
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you can actually play 720p Hp with dice player. though u are restricted by the file size. andof course u have to pay for it though. it's lag free with sound sync.

Alejandrissimo said:
High profile which level? Moboplayer always work fine for me even better on galaxy based rom
I'll test mxplayer when back to home
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I alway use stock rom but with custom kerne, best combo.

tested. Very nice player like it very much. Still missing continuous playing and shuffle mode for music videos. Only meridian have it.
Installed and keeping.

Johnny0906 said:
Really? Nobody happy?
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Sorry, did I miss something? Did you post something or are you just happy it's playing well?

[Q] Can Galaxy S4 handle 10-bit 720p video smootly ? ?

I watch a lot of animes, and many animes these days are encoded using 10-bit H.264 (Hi10P).
720p 10-bit is very laggy on my galaxy S3 when using MX player. Can someone test it on galaxy S4 and tell me if it handles ? Also, please use mx player which can be downloaded for free from google play
Also, keep in mind the S4 sold in my country is GT-I9500 which uses samsung exynos processor

Did you try with VLC ?? (I don't know if it runs better with VLC, just asking)

VLC uses the same decoding libs and the performance wouldn't be much better.
10bit can only be decoded in software right now so you simply need more CPU power (and the GS4 might have enough power).
I'm quite curious if 720p 10bit can be decoded myself.

I'm curious about this as well, apparently S4 uses the same GPU as iPhone 5 which plays 10 bit videos flawlessly with no lag at all. Can anyone confirm about this?

Im getting my S4 quadcore in about 2 hours and use mxplayer. Ill be happy to try it if no one has done it by then. Where can I d/l a video to test that is the right format/rate?
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roninep said:
Im getting my S4 quadcore in about 2 hours and use mxplayer. Ill be happy to try it if no one has done it by then. Where can I d/l a video to test that is the right format/rate?
Sent from my rooted/rom'd HTC Evo 4g LTE
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Here you are! Sorry if anime is not your liking . Thanks a bunch.
http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=427698
Almost all 720p mkv files on nyaa.eu are 10-bit, you can try others if you want

I'm successfully watching 10-bit 1080 w/ .FLAC and .ASS subs in .MKV format using QQ Video Player. the video file is 1.6 gb and 23 minutes. it's a COALGIRLS video if you know what that is. the only thing I noticed is that it seems to be slightly out of sync.. it's not notable until right 12 minutes in because of how slight it is =/. the vid works fine in Media Player Classic, so Im hoping an app or fw update will correct this.
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soraxd said:
I'm successfully watching 10-bit 1080 w/ .FLAC and .ASS subs in .MKV format using QQ Video Player. the video file is 1.6 gb and 23 minutes. it's a COALGIRLS video if you know what that is. the only thing I noticed is that it seems to be slightly out of sync.. it's not notable until right 12 minutes in because of how slight it is =/. the vid works fine in Media Player Classic, so Im hoping an app or fw update will correct this.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using xda app-developers app
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good to know that, is it smooth? :laugh:
Can you check whether 720p is still out of sync

silversun92 said:
Here you are! Sorry if anime is not your liking . Thanks a bunch.
http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=427698
Almost all 720p mkv files on nyaa.eu are 10-bit, you can try others if you want
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Sorry to have taken so long. I tried to d/l it after I got the phone, but didnt realize it was a torrent. Then I saw it was 341mg and I
only had slow 3g. D/L it when I got home and just watched some of it.
I have never watched anime, so I will simply tell you that it seemed normal to me. Using MX player I had to switch it to software decoder, as the hardware decoder played the audio but there was a black screen. Switched it to software and everything played fine, and the a/v seemed synced. It seemed smooth, I saw no choppiness or halting issues. Screen was clear and bright and crisp. Audio was loud and clear.
I didnt do anything to the phone (stock) and only made the hardware to software change in MX. Otherwise it was straight outta the box.
Hope this helps you.

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Sorry to have taken so long. I tried to d/l it after I got the phone, but didnt realize it was a torrent. Then I saw it was 341mg and I
only had slow 3g. D/L it when I got home and just watched some of it.
I have never watched anime, so I will simply tell you that it seemed normal to me. Using MX player I had to switch it to software decoder, as the hardware decoder played the audio but there was a black screen. Switched it to software and everything played fine, and the a/v seemed synced. It seemed smooth, I saw no choppiness or halting issues. Screen was clear and bright and crisp. Audio was loud and clear.
I didnt do anything to the phone (stock) and only made the hardware to software change in MX. Otherwise it was straight outta the box.
Hope this helps you.
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Thanks a lot for you reply, sounds like a perfect player after all. I definitely have to buy a S4
btw, is MXPlayer better than the stock one ? AFAIK, Samsung and LG appear to be the only ones on the markets that have the best codec support in the stock player! Nexus 4 have serious lag when playing the file above but Optimus G drives it smoothly even though they have the same hardware support (benchmark was lower on Nexus 4 though).
Even Xperia Z has issues when dealing with 10-bit video, and I doubt that HTC One is capable of playing video files well as the codec supported is rather limited (according to GSMArena).
My point is, if galaxy s4 were to have CM10.1, I'm curious whether its ability to decode film still retains by using MXPlayer

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Thanks a lot for you reply, sounds like a perfect player after all. I definitely have to buy a S4
btw, is MXPlayer better than the stock one ? AFAIK, Samsung and LG appear to be the only ones on the markets that have the best codec support in the stock player! Nexus 4 have serious lag when playing the file above but Optimus G drives it smoothly even though they have the same hardware support (benchmark was lower on Nexus 4 though).
Even Xperia Z has issues when dealing with 10-bit video, and I doubt that HTC One is capable of playing video files well as the codec supported is rather limited (according to GSMArena).
My point is, if galaxy s4 were to have CM10.1, I'm curious whether its ability to decode film still retains by using MXPlayer
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I just tried to play it with the stock player and it wouldnt play video only audio. Il try some other players and see wut happens.

roninep said:
I just tried to play it with the stock player and it wouldnt play video only audio. Il try some other players and see wut happens.
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Please test it with MX player. Don't forget that you need to use S/W instead of H/W to play 10-bit
MX player is not the fastest player to play 10-bit. Archos Video player can play much 10-bit faster.
However, mx player is best player I've tested when it comes to rendering subtitles. The other video players can only display subititles at the bottom, but mx players can display the subtitles that appear in middle or top of the screen that appear in many animes. Thats the reason why I'm asking people to test using mx player.
silversun92 said:
Here you are! Sorry if anime is not your liking . Thanks a bunch.
http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=427698
Almost all 720p mkv files on nyaa.eu are 10-bit, you can try others if you want
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You can also download 720p 10-bit animes from this website. The size of the animes is also much smaller, which good for people who don't have fast connection
http://web.hi10anime.com/

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Please test it with MX player. Don't forget that you need to use S/W instead of H/W to play 10-bit
MX player is not the fastest player to play 10-bit. Archos Video player can play much 10-bit faster.
However, mx player is best player I've tested when it comes to rendering subtitles. The other video players can only display subititles at the bottom, but mx players can display the subtitles that appear in middle or top of the screen that appear in many animes. Thats the reason why I'm asking people to test using mx player.
You can also download 720p 10-bit animes from this website. The size of the animes is also much smaller, which good for people who don't have fast connection
http://web.hi10anime.com/
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I did run it with MX Player first. If you go back a couple posts I used that first for silversun92. You are right and it ran very well. I did have to change it to S/W, but after that it worked without any problems. Silversun92 asked me about the stock player, so I tried that next and it didnt work. Sound did but video did not. Can anything correct that?
FWIW, I also ran it with BSPlayer (which I like and use). It seemed to run slightly jittery, but it automatically showed subtitles which MX didnt when I ran it. That might just be a setting issue though. Regardless, I think MX ran better than BS.
Is there anything else that you all need tested ?

anyone know how to get DTS video to work on S4? I have 1080p mkv videos with DTS audio, but it wont work at S4 video player.. there is no sound

@ben3003
DTS only works in H/W+ mode afaik. (Testing with MX Player) on S4 this is a ARMv7 Neon FFMPEG custom distribution example
I find that the experience for 720p 10bit playback is not yet satisfactory. But the device may be capable of more due to its unique hardware support (HEVC). I think we can expect improvements to playback in future.
As @maroon1 mentioned Archos Player is almost satisfactory experience with 720p hi10p playback (I believe this is software rendering) however it lacks the Styled subtitle support that I have grown to love MX Player for. I can get over this lol but would be nice to have in future.

So you guys disagree on the results....
So, @roninep you say that 720p 10-bit mkvs played smoothly with MX Player on your S4, but @sh4z you say it wasn't satisfactory? Would both of you mind posting a short ~5 minute video clip of your results for comparison please?
I'm debating on buying an S4, since I watch a lot of video on my phone. Currently I have to manually re-encode (with handbrake) all my videos and anime from 10-bit to 8-bit before I put them on my phone, so a phone that plays 10-bit and saves me this extra step would be great!
Thank you for confirming!!
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@CDB-Man
I made two videos to compare MX Player and Archos Player on GT-I9505 S4.
I pretty much agree with @maroon1, I think Archos is the smoothest so far out of the players I've tried. MX Player has better subtitle support so If it's not 10bit I would use that.
Same video is used no special optimizations default settings. Streaming over WiFi G. (Plenty of bandwidth for 720p) @roninep might have a GT-I9500... Haven't tested MX Player on that yet. Will give it a go tomorrow. Maybe its okay with that device.
MX Player
https://vimeo.com/67198798
Archos Player
https://vimeo.com/67198799
Apologies in advance these videos are a bit blurry at some points as they were taken by my Galaxy S GT-I9000. It doesn't know what to focus on lol. Anyway the frame rate I think is visible enough in each example (I think that's what is important right ?)
Some other 720p 10bit mkv Tests (In Reverse Order *worst first*)
1. Mobo Video Player constantly played intrusive ad's and crashed when attempting to playback,dumped that like a **** ...
2. VLC Does not play properly v.choppy got about 3 frames out of it (It's beta after all and may kill your kittens (lol wtf vlc thats the warning you get when running the first time )) audio came through okay.
3. QQ Player was worse than Mobo Player laggy video and out of sync audio, did not properly understand styled subtitles and output incorrectly.
4. VPlayer - Constantly playing catch-up (video; fast,slow,fast,slow)- Subtitles displaying correctly at beginning but then later disappeared
5. MoboPlayer (Audio playback no video on H/W) Software playback was good but artifacting (think twice compressed jpeg, probably just not proper 10bit support) faster than MX but archos is better(faster no artifacts), subs displayed correctly but not styled
Any others people have tried that are good let us know! its useful. Cheers :good:

Thank you @sh4z for posting the videos! And you're right, framerate was what I was wondering about! And coincidentally, I'm currently using an I9000, want to upgrade to the I9500. And yeah, I currently use MX Player for everything, including those animes I convert from 10 to 8 bit.
Before I forget and go on, @sh4z how did you get the fps to show in the topright corner on MX Player? I couldn't find it as a menu option in MX Player...
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So it seems that MX Player framerate is watchable, but when compared to Archos player, Archos is much more enjoyable. Hopefully MX Player's dev will be able to improve his codec! (with MX Player having much better .ass subtitle support)
It's good that you pointed out you tested on the I9505, I had forgotten about the different chipsets. From a few places I read around, I've heard rumours that perhaps the I9500 with its Exynos 5 Cortex A15 will perform much better than the I9505's Qualcomm Krait 300.
Just looking at their comparison on Wikipedia's page for the Krait CPU, it appears (at least on the surface) that the I9500's Exynos 5 should do better? Hope we find out later!
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Hopefully, we will soon get an android device + app combination that rivals the iPhone 5 in terms of playing 10 bit videos.
For reference: From what was said on Animesuki's forum thread "iPhone 5 and 10-bit MKVs" , there's a video that proves that iPhone 5 with "HD MKV Player" app can easily handle 10 bit videos.
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I had tested some of those other players on my I9000 too, and I agree that MoboPlayer probably performs best out of them, in terms of framerate. Like you said, it's too bad that it artifacts on colours and doesn't fully support .ass styling.
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From his signature, I'd caution a guess that @roninep has the North American I9505 like you do, so no Exynos core. If anyone else here has an I9500 would you mind testing this out please? Thanks in advance!

I tested on I9505 S4.
Was watching a 720p 10 bit anime video with MX Player and find it pretty smooth except scenes that has lots of movement, action where the video stutter a little (No problem though).
But do take note the CPU does heats up a little... Mine was at 55 degree C after a full episode.

psycovirus said:
I tested on I9505 S4.
Was watching a 720p 10 bit anime video with MX Player and find it pretty smooth except scenes that has lots of movement, action where the video stutter a little (No problem though).
But do take note the CPU does heats up a little... Mine was at 55 degree C after a full episode.
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@psycovirus thanks for testing! Would you say the performance was about the same or better than the video sh4z posted with MX Player on I9505?
And yeah, it's unfortunate but expected that the CPU would heat up since it's all software decoding.... I don't think any consumer hardware will get hardware accelerated h.264 hi10p, especially with the release of h.265 "HEVC".