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So, I've been taunted by the Acer the day before launch at BB and had someone open one up to demo for me. After somehow avoiding the purchase I did more research and found the Asus release date and figured I'd wait. Well we all know how that went..
Anyhow as I sit here reading thread after thread deciding on the Acer now, or Asus later, I am torn about the screen quality. I have heard many things like "as good as Ipad" "way better than Xoom" the amazingly grammatically correct; "it Sux" or just "terrible"
I don't care about the dock....at all. Battery life, build quality and screen crispness i do care about.
I'm hoping this thread can be to discuss the goods and bads about the screen in as unbiased a way as possible. I would love for people who have interacted with both chime in!
The screen "quality" is fine. Text looks great (read for over an hour with no eyestrain). Videos look good. Viewing angles are even fine, which is unusual for a TFT.
But the glare!!! Yikes. I realize that the glare probably has more to do with the glass than the screen technology, but the bottom line is that they both contribute to my enjoyment, or lack thereof, of the screen.
I have a Nook Color and I can place the A500 and the NC right next to each other and the difference is dramatic in terms of glare. Sure, the NC has some reflection, but it's a great deal more muted than then A500 which is practically a mirror.
I don't have any particular problem with the screen. It looks sharp. Runs in 1280x800 resolution.
Some people complain about the grid that can be visible, but I have NEVER seen it during normal use. I didn't even know what people were talking about until I held it at weird angles directly under a light source (as in...10 inches away from my lamp).
The thing is a finger-print magnet though, so if you have OCD issues with that sort of thing you will always need to be replacing screen protectors or having a microfiber cloth in your back-pocket.
I picked one up from bestbuy a few days ago. The screen is very nice. The grid does bother me, but it's not often that I see it.
Games look good, videos look good. Everything is snappy
I don't have a transformer or an ipad to test it against but I think the acer is worth buying if you don't care about the keyboard dock on the transformer.
The screen itself is very good with decent colour and contrast with excellent viewing angles. As others have said though, you do get glare from the high gloss glass panel and it attracts fingerprints when you just go near it. With the right lighting direction I can see the grid in the same way I have seen it on virtually all capacitive screens.
Would I use any of this against the A500? - no. These issues are minor to me but I can see how for some they would be a more major issue.
I think the quality is really good but could use some tweaking. Why in the world are there no apps that allow you to tweak gamma contrast color and all that? Calibrating would make it much better but for some reason we are expected to keep it as delivered?
Also slightly unrelated, has anyone noticed if you use a 1280x800 image as a wallpaper it looks liek crap? What resolution do we need wallpapers to be in? The stock ones are too borring.
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So, I've been taunted by the Acer the day before launch at BB and had someone open one up to demo for me. After somehow avoiding the purchase I did more research and found the Asus release date and figured I'd wait. Well we all know how that went..
Anyhow as I sit here reading thread after thread deciding on the Acer now, or Asus later, I am torn about the screen quality. I have heard many things like "as good as Ipad" "way better than Xoom" the amazingly grammatically correct; "it Sux" or just "terrible"
I don't care about the dock....at all. Battery life, build quality and screen crispness i do care about.
I'm hoping this thread can be to discuss the goods and bads about the screen in as unbiased a way as possible. I would love for people who have interacted with both chime in!
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Look, the IPS display is "better"....that's that. If you need something with a gorgeous screen, wait.
Is the A500 screen terrible, bad, etc.? Not by a long shot. It's bright, crisp and the viewing angles are very, very good. The 'grid' you read people referring to, is barely visible and you'll only notice it on very lightly colored, black or white backgrounds, and that's with your face plastered to the screen. It isn't a deal breaker for many people but it might be for you. If you can afford to wait, wait....and make an informed decision and one you won't regret once you're able to compare them side by side. Unlike the TF, the A500 is in supply and I doubt they'll be running out any time soon so time and supply are on your side (for the Acer, anyway).
here are a few pictures of the iconia and transformer screens. Pics are captured by motorola atrix camera. Hope it can help with the buying decision.
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thickness and back. For some reasons, I can't upload the video
Wow the one on the right looks so much better. Orange county area? I live in Tustin lol. Where did you get your hands on a transformer?
keroppilee said:
Wow the one on the right looks so much better. Orange county area? I live in Tustin lol. Where did you get your hands on a transformer?
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hahaha, nice to have a neighbor on this forum. Yep, the transformer has the best screen but the iconia is not that bad. I got my TF at Fry's. I saw an employee there carried 3 TFs to the stock room. I jumped on them right away, got one for my best friend and one for my brother. Both of them want the TF so bad. As for me, I am settled with the iconia at Best Buy. I just like the build quality and how it feels in my hands. If I knew, I could have got the last TF for you
appreciate the thought
I'm still deciding between android or I pad. I really feel I pads polish in multimedia is a big plus. I'm trying my roommates xoom and youtube doesn't even run without stutter :/
Netflix is nice on I pad too
I do love the PC I sh feel of android. Much more customizable
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Some transformer owners have complain about back light bleed through when watching videos.
hey in the past week i have tested the view sonic gtablet , the archos 101 and the playbook . the view sonic and the archos dont even come close to what the acer is i picked up the acer after i saw it at best buy today and i was impressed i also picked up the xoom last week but returned it after 24 hrs because the price 599 was on my mind the whole time i was playing with it .
the screen i feel is like the apple ipad which i have . i really can not notice the difference. and if anyone is thinking about the gtab and the archos dont get them if your not holding it at the right angle all the time your not going to see much.
I had the gtablet for 3 weeks and recently sold it and picked up the Acer A500 yesterday. I was also comtemplating on buying the Xoom at Bestbuy, but after playing with both tablets I couldn't justify spending the extra $ on the xoom so I went with the Acer and so far so good. It's like night and day compared to my old gtablet.
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LoL. Please clean the screen of the Iconia What a difference...
I'm a Transformer owner, but over the weekend I had a chance to play with both the Xoom and the Iconia in store.
The screen on the Tranformer is definitely the best of all three tablets, and this was clearly evident even without having the Transformer to hand to compare side by side.
However, I would still rate the Iconia's screen as "very good" (the Transformer's screen would be rated "excellent"), and significantly better than the screen on the Xoom (which I would rate as just "ok").
Regards,
Dave
P.S. Just an FYI, but I'm keeping an eye on the Iconia forums because I'm thinking about getting an A100, not to troll regarding A500/Transformer comparisons!
if you want to see the real difference between the Iconia and Transformer, take a pic from the side with about a 150 deg angle.
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. Viewing angles are even fine, which is unusual for a TFT.
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It not a regular TFT screen , in fact there are 4 differents technologies ( TN, MVA, PVA, IPS )
Acer choosed PVA for the A500 , it provides the highest contrast ever measured on a tablet (1126:1) when the Ipad and its IPS Screen is rated (960:1) , but the latency is not as good as its competitors (even if asus came out with a trick , to correct that , by inserting a black picture every 3 images )
People tends to think that IPS is superior , but in fact it depends of the usage.
A500's screen might not be the best screen in the world , but it is for sure a very good one.
Well, out of nowhere, I noticed yet another light bleed. This one halfway between the middle and the right side of the bottom bezel. Fortunately, I have ordered another TF from Newegg and another one from Walmart. I'll see which one is the best and I'll keep that one.
This is not a good sign for the future of the tablet though. If they all show similar signs, I might just have to give up on the TF and hope that the Samsung 10.1 is better in this department.
I know most of you don't mind/care, but $500 is very hard to come by here, and I want something working as it should when I spend that much on it.
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I've been in the Galaxy Tab forums here the last couple of days and the owners of the I/O 10.1's are reporting bleeding as well but no one has posted any pictures so I'm not sure how intense it is. I've accepted screen bleeding, just being picky about how much is tolerable, which I think is okay since we indeed are spending the money.
Yeah. I was about to buy the 10.1, but I got impatient.
From the threads I've been on, the PLS displays have this issue, it's been SO bad on SO MANY 10.1V's that it's ridiculous. Is this a generic IPS issue? PLS is the 'evolution' of IPS, so the 10.1 would have this problem. iPad 2 users have the same problem too.
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Is this a generic IPS issue? PLS is the 'evolution' of IPS, so the 10.1 would have this problem. iPad 2 users have the same problem too.
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I think it is an issue with having a display that you carry in your hands. Add to that the larger the size of the display the harder it is to make a display rigid enough to withstand the flexing and twisting and still light enough to carry. It would probably happen to your laptop also, if you carried it around by the display.
Yeah my iPad2 has it too, it's just not as apparent because the iPad2's screen as a whole is brighter than my TF's so I don't have to blast the brightness when watching a movie. I posted a picture in another thread with the Asus having to be at 90% brightness to match the iPad2 at 60% brightness and of course the bleed was more apparent on the Asus since it had to be that high to match.
wow, how much do you expect to lose in restocking fees?
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0 when you buy from Walmart
0 when you buy from Newegg too!
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I've been in the Galaxy Tab forums here the last couple of days and the owners of the I/O 10.1's are reporting bleeding as well but no one has posted any pictures so I'm not sure how intense it is.
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Maybe Galaxy tab owners don't have darkrooms, and they don't waste their time downloading black jpg's so they can test it
I wouldn't be wasting time with black jpg's either. However, If I throw a movie on and I see major light bleed in the black bars in the daylight through the glare, that's a fail to me.
This isn't a 'which is better?' question, because they're two different sized tablets at different price points. I'm definitely considering getting a tablet soon, and I think it would have to be one of the two Nexus devices. But, which one should I get, is my question.
I used to have an OG Asus Transformer, and initially I used it frequently, but I ended up just going back to my desktop for general browsing etc. I think it might have been to do with the slightly outdated OS and specs, but also to do with the size.
I'm not sure if I want the very portable and rugged 7 inch screen, or the less portable and more cumbersome 10 inch screen.
Also, the price of a 32GB N7 is considerably cheaper than it's 32GB big brother, and I could also get mobile data if I wish.
I want to know if the smaller screen size and lower specs really make a difference on the experience.
Does anyone have both? And is the N7 big enough for watching Netflix, browsing the web etc. Cheers.
I didn't like web browsing on my Nexus 7, but enjoy it on my Nexus 10. Holding the device for games might of been slightly better on the Nexus 7 than Nexus 10 imo though, but the extra screen estate is nice on the Nexus 10.
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I didn't like web browsing on my Nexus 7, but enjoy it on my Nexus 10. Holding the device for games might of been slightly better on the Nexus 7 than Nexus 10 imo though, but the extra screen estate is nice on the Nexus 10.
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I am quite a gamer, and I guess gaming on a Nexus 7 would be easier. How about portability, do you take your devices anywhere?
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How about portability, do you take your devices anywhere?
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Yep, was walking around downtown a bit for about 2 hours with my N10 the other day; it's not too big of a problem as long as you have a bag of some sort I guess (I have a backpack and a laptop bag), but just carrying the N10 around with no case or anything probably isn't "too" ideal.
At the least, I think some sort of "book" cover with a grip might be nice for the N10 (which if I understand right, was planned to be available from Google, but was scrapped for redesign)
Hi Tibb,
I own both (Nex10 32GB and Nex7 32Gb 3G).
The Nexus 7 is perfect for carrying around, in the train/bus, on coffee breaks at the Autobahn , etc. The Nexus 10 is a little bit too big if you're walking or if it gets crowded on the bus/train, not that it is a bulky device but "on-the-go" the Nexus 7 wins in my opinion.
Gaming is good on both devices, it really depends on the game, for example "Asphalt 7: Heat", with the N7 the game is much easier to control, 'cause the N7 is smaller, on the N10 the display and graphics really rock with the game. It's hard to decide.
For sure browsing is much nicer on the N10, you have more of a desktop browsing experience. On the N7 browsing is more or less the same experience as on a smartphone.
Watching Netflix/movies, again hard to decide. When it gets to movies, my opinion: the bigger/the better the screen, the better the movie experience, so the N10 wins. But again, on the train/plane/bus and "on-the-go" I would prefer the N7.
I really like using my N10 at home and the N7 in all other cases.
When I switch directly from the N10 to the N7, for a short time the display of the N7 really sucks because the N10s display is so top notch.....
greez
C.
Zenith24 said:
Hi Tibb,
I own both (Nex10 32GB and Nex7 32Gb 3G).
The Nexus 7 is perfect for carrying around, in the train/bus, on coffee breaks at the Autobahn , etc. The Nexus 10 is a little bit too big if you're walking or if it gets crowded on the bus/train, not that it is a bulky device but "on-the-go" the Nexus 7 wins in my opinion.
Gaming is good on both devices, it really depends on the game, for example "Asphalt 7: Heat", with the N7 the game is much easier to control, 'cause the N7 is smaller, on the N10 the display and graphics really rock with the game. It's hard to decide.
For sure browsing is much nicer on the N10, you have more of a desktop browsing experience. On the N7 browsing is more or less the same experience as on a smartphone.
Watching Netflix/movies, again hard to decide. When it gets to movies, my opinion: the bigger/the better the screen, the better the movie experience, so the N10 wins. But again, on the train/plane/bus and "on-the-go" I would prefer the N7.
I really like using my N10 at home and the N7 in all other cases.
When I switch directly from the N10 to the N7, for a short time the display of the N7 really sucks because the N10s display is so top notch.....
greez
C.
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Just wanted to know one thing: the screen on the N7 is AMOLED, right? And the N10 has a LCD of some sort, right?
How good or bad are the blacks on the N10 screen compared to the AMOLED screen. I want to know because I own a Galaxy s2 and a Galaxy tab 7.7, which both have AMOLED tech, and I just love the colors and blacks I get on these screens. I am going to buy a N10 now, as soon as I see one, but I want to know about the "black" (how deep it is) first. Or could anyone please upload a picture with both N7 and N10 using a black background as wallpaper so I can get an idea?
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Just wanted to know one thing: the screen on the N7 is AMOLED, right? And the N10 has a LCD of some sort, right?
How good or bad are the blacks on the N10 screen compared to the AMOLED screen. I want to know because I own a Galaxy s2 and a Galaxy tab 7.7, which both have AMOLED tech, and I just love the colors and blacks I get on these screens. I am going to buy a N10 now, as soon as I see one, but I want to know about the "black" (how deep it is) first. Or could anyone please upload a picture with both N7 and N10 using a black background as wallpaper so I can get an idea?
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The N7 does not have an AMOLED screen. It has an IPS screen. AMOLED is usually a technology used by Samsung on smartphones (keyword = usually).
404 ERROR said:
The N7 does not have an AMOLED screen. It has an IPS screen. AMOLED is usually a technology used by Samsung on smartphones (keyword = usually).
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Hmm, ok I was wrong about the Nexus 7 screen. Don't know why I thought it was AMOLED. Anyway how is the black on the Nexus 10? Say when you boot it upin a dark room, will you see the backlight in the corners and will it be grayish rather than pure black?
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Hmm, ok I was wrong about the Nexus 7 screen. Don't know why I thought it was AMOLED. Anyway how is the black on the Nexus 10? Say when you boot it upin a dark room, will you see the backlight in the corners and will it be grayish rather than pure black?
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If you read around, people are talking about light bleed. It definitely hurts the level of black. The black isn't great and you'll definitely have some light bleed in the corners.
While the Nexus 10 is known for its high pixel density, it certainly doesn't have the best looking screen. That doesn't mean it's a trash screen though. It's pretty good even coming from a GNex whose screen I tweaked to fit my liking.
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If you read around, people are talking about light bleed. It definitely hurts the level of black. The black isn't great and you'll definitely have some light bleed in the corners.
While the Nexus 10 is known for its high pixel density, it certainly doesn't have the best looking screen. That doesn't mean it's a trash screen though. It's pretty good even coming from a GNex whose screen I tweaked to fit my liking.
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Yes I read about these corner bleeds on the forums, but I thought that might have been a first batch issue. I will buy a Nexus 10 as soon as I see one in the shops anyway, but it is just good to know what you will get before you buy anything
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Yes I read about these corner bleeds on the forums, but I thought that might have been a first batch issue. I will buy a Nexus 10 as soon as I see one in the shops anyway, but it is just good to know what you will get before you buy anything
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I got mine from the second batch and it still persists (not heavily though). To be honest, I didn't even know what light bleed was until I read around the Nexus 10 forums. Had to Google it to really know what it was about, and I decided to check up on all my LCD displays. All of them had it to a degree. I think people are making an exaggeratedly huge deal out of it. Don't bash me for that, because I'm sure there are people who either are very sensitive to this kind of thing or got a unit that was just completely unacceptable, but I really doubt that this many people can be possibly bothered by backlight bleeding which is prevalent in nearly all LCD displays. It just seems like something that got caught on and is spreading - "The Light Bleed Plague."
Anyway, if you're not in the dark a lot, you'll be okay.
I'm still undecided on which I want to get :silly:
I can get a 32GB N7 for £179, or a 32GB N10 for £389..
Small screen or big screen... agh I can't decide!
Tibbz96 said:
I'm still undecided on which I want to get :silly:
I can get a 32GB N7 for £179, or a 32GB N10 for £389..
Small screen or big screen... agh I can't decide!
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Well, let's see. I don't have a Nexus 7, so you don't have to take my post into too much consideration, but I want you to spend money on what fits you.
The Nexus 7's specs are on the verge of being outdated. That means, give it about 6 months and a new low-cost tablet will come out. I'm guessing the Snapdragon S4 Pro will become the chip of future lower-end tablets and that thing is a beast even if it doesn't beat the Exynos 5250.
I'm sure the experience is fine as it is right now, but as apps start to make more use of the power, the Nexus 7 might start to be considered as "slow" in a few months. Unless you want to replace your tablet often, then I think this is quite problematic.
If you seriously want something portable, I would wait. Give it maybe 6 months and you can get something that'll last you 1.5 years. If you want something now, the N10 will get you far. The 5250 SOC is no joke even if its pushing a high resolution.
Again, I speak from just reading around and not from experience, so feel free to disagree or ignore this post.
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I got mine from the second batch and it still persists (not heavily though). To be honest, I didn't even know what light bleed was until I read around the Nexus 10 forums. Had to Google it to really know what it was about, and I decided to check up on all my LCD displays. All of them had it to a degree. I think people are making an exaggeratedly huge deal out of it. Don't bash me for that, because I'm sure there are people who either are very sensitive to this kind of thing or got a unit that was just completely unacceptable, but I really doubt that this many people can be possibly bothered by backlight bleeding which is prevalent in nearly all LCD displays. It just seems like something that got caught on and is spreading - "The Light Bleed Plague."
Anyway, if you're not in the dark a lot, you'll be okay.
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How do you find out which batch your Nexus 10 is from?
I have both. Honestly fell in love with the form factor of the 7. Just perfect. If i need larger I use my computer. Seems like what you did even with the asus so I'd go with the 7 if i were you.
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How do you find out which batch your Nexus 10 is from?
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It's really a guess. I bought my directly after the first time it got sold out. But I believe there is also a naming scheme for the S/N and mine suggested it was the second (it had a B or 2 in there instead of an A or 1, I forgot which one it was though).
While I dont have the Nexus 7 or the Nexus 10 yet, I have used the Nexus 7 and own another 7 inch tablet and currently use an older 10.1 inch tegra 2 tablet. I would say this decision comes down purely to where and how you want to use it. If you plan on using it mostly at home or in the office then get the Nexus 10 hands down. I personally think the 7inch form factor is way too small and I feel like I am more using a large phone rather than a full tablet experience.
If you plan on using the tablet on the go, like bringing it to starbucks, traveling around with it, using it on the go, then get the 7 inch, its massively more portable.
In the end though, I just find 7 inch as far too small. I have big hands and its just not fun to use. Others mileage may vary.
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I agreeing with pal who say that nexus 7 is for train/bus etc and nexus 10 is for home usage.
Yeah I think it'll be more of a home usage thing There's those dock connectors on the bottom of the N10, will we be seeing any docks/keyboards soon?
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Hello,
I have received Google Nexus 10 and it seems like the seal was broken, which suggests that somebody else has already used it (or at least unpacked).
I guess that the only known "big issue" is the light bleed. Could somebody tell me, step by step, how to determine it? (e.g. how to load all black screen? What brightness should I use to check it?). I am trying to judge whether to keep the tablet or not.
Thank you for help,
Theriel
Try using an app like this LCD test:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...DEsImRlLmxhcHBlLnRpbS5hbmRyb2lkLmxjZHRlc3QiXQ..
go to the pure black and then play around with the brightness (set it to max).
You'll almost certainly going to see some but this should help you decide if it's a deal breaker for you.
the darker the room the better aswell! if you are in a pitch dark room and only see little light bleed at max brightness then have a little smile to yourself and enjoy the nexus!
theriel said:
Hello,
I have received Google Nexus 10 and it seems like the seal was broken, which suggests that somebody else has already used it (or at least unpacked).
I guess that the only known "big issue" is the light bleed. Could somebody tell me, step by step, how to determine it? (e.g. how to load all black screen? What brightness should I use to check it?). I am trying to judge whether to keep the tablet or not.
Thank you for help,
Theriel
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Check out "Backlight Bleed Test"
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.joeleveque.backlightbleedtest
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So what is light bleed that matters?
I know the OP's question is on testing for bleed, but want to respond to help those wondering whether what they're seeing in their tests is normal or a defect that a replacement unit might solve . . .
Starting with a couple of suggested definitions:
'Light bleed' is a significant unevenness in screen lighting/brightness that's irritating in normal use – like scalloping along the edges, or being a lot brighter or darker on one side. Separately, let's call it 'black glow' when what's intended to be jet black on a screen doesn't appear completely black.
If you search the Web for 'light bleed' and the name of any major tablet, you'll find plenty of references to this. When examining your tablet, for context do the same with your laptop, LCD monitor, and LCD TV, for all are subject to the same concerns. No screen technology is perfect. Lighting on all LCD screens varies somewhat depending on the angle you look at it, and some level of 'black glow' is normal too.
Looking at your all-black screen in a dark room with the brightness turned up can be a useful test to verify problems if you find concerns that affect normal usage. This is a worst-case-scenario video test, and when you test your other LCD-screen devices this way, you are bound to see 'black glow'.
A lot of cell phones (mostly Samsung) have AMOLED screens that don't need screen backlighting & thus don't have 'black glow' – each pixel is a light and blacks can truly be black. But these screens are limited to smaller devices – the largest are two lower-resolution 7.7" units; you can't buy a 10" AMOLED tablet. With LCD's, note that the larger the screen & the higher the resolution, the brighter the backlight (really, it's on the edge) needs to be.
There are definitely defective units out there, and some that aren't as even as others. Hopefully this adds context to the discussion and will help folks new to the issue decide whether their unit is bad enough to be worth exchanging . . .
brocco99 said:
I know the OP's question is on testing for bleed, but want to respond to help those wondering whether what they're seeing in their tests is normal or a defect that a replacement unit might solve . . .
Starting with a couple of suggested definitions:
'Light bleed' is a significant unevenness in screen lighting/brightness that's irritating in normal use – like scalloping along the edges, or being a lot brighter or darker on one side. Separately, let's call it 'black glow' when what's intended to be jet black on a screen doesn't appear completely black.
If you search the Web for 'light bleed' and the name of any major tablet, you'll find plenty of references to this. When examining your tablet, for context do the same with your laptop, LCD monitor, and LCD TV, for all are subject to the same concerns. No screen technology is perfect. Lighting on all LCD screens varies somewhat depending on the angle you look at it, and some level of 'black glow' is normal too.
Looking at your all-black screen in a dark room with the brightness turned up can be a useful test to verify problems if you find concerns that affect normal usage. This is a worst-case-scenario video test, and when you test your other LCD-screen devices this way, you are bound to see 'black glow'.
A lot of cell phones (mostly Samsung) have AMOLED screens that don't need screen backlighting & thus don't have 'black glow' – each pixel is a light and blacks can truly be black. But these screens are limited to smaller devices – the largest are two lower-resolution 7.7" units; you can't buy a 10" AMOLED tablet. With LCD's, note that the larger the screen & the higher the resolution, the brighter the backlight (really, it's on the edge) needs to be.
There are definitely defective units out there, and some that aren't as even as others. Hopefully this adds context to the discussion and will help folks new to the issue decide whether their unit is bad enough to be worth exchanging . . .
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Mine is faintly noticeable all the time with auto brightness on. I asked for an RMA and it was 2-3 times as bad. I think I will keep this one. As of now looking at it really bothers me, but I know in a few months once this device has some wear it won't matter to me. However I am still debating on attempting to receive a refund and possibly buying it in the stores in a few months. Hmmm lol.
Thank you all for your informative responses.
I am attaching the pictures of my case. I guess I will have to return it - although you cannot see in the light and with non-black background, it is pretty annoying when the background is black and the ambient light is a bit dimmer...
What would you do in my case ? How does this case compare to your cases?
Thank you,
Theriel
my orignal device has servere light bleed on the left corner and my replacement device has servere light bleed on the right corner... 3rd one is on the way, please Google, give me a acceptable screen before the world ends!!
I do not think there is any point of returning it. It seems liek light bleed is inherent in the design of these tablets. I have two right in front of me, the second one has even worse light bleed. I shall be keeping the first one. Does any one know if they will charge my card for the second one. It seems like they charged me card, then a days before I got a second nexus 10, they removed the charged.
I was expecting a courier to pick up my old nexus 10. But no one has. Any one else in the same situation with 2 nexus 10s?
sharp910sh said:
I do not think there is any point of returning it. It seems liek light bleed is inherent in the design of these tablets. I have two right in front of me, the second one has even worse light bleed. I shall be keeping the first one. Does any one know if they will charge my card for the second one. It seems like they charged me card, then a days before I got a second nexus 10, they removed the charged.
I was expecting a courier to pick up my old nexus 10. But no one has. Any one else in the same situation with 2 nexus 10s?
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You know its bad when its a best of the worst scenario. Lol.
sharp910sh said:
I do not think there is any point of returning it. It seems liek light bleed is inherent in the design of these tablets. I have two right in front of me, the second one has even worse light bleed. I shall be keeping the first one. Does any one know if they will charge my card for the second one. It seems like they charged me card, then a days before I got a second nexus 10, they removed the charged.
I was expecting a courier to pick up my old nexus 10. But no one has. Any one else in the same situation with 2 nexus 10s?
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They will place another hold of the price of the device until the rma'd unit has returned to them. It would take another 7 days until the hold is released from what was explained to me. So at the moment for me they have 1k of my money on hold because the original is in route to them now and I had just ordered the replacement for the replacement!
You will have to setup a pickup or go to the nearest UPS facility to return your defective unit.
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jjdevega said:
They will place another hold of the price of the device until the rma'd unit has returned to them. It would take another 7 days until the hold is released from what was explained to me. So at the moment for me they have 1k of my money on hold because the original is in route to them now and I had just ordered the replacement for the replacement!
You will have to setup a pickup or go to the nearest UPS facility to return your defective unit.
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Yes, I was thinking that. But they do not have any of my money on hold. They did but then it was returned back?! Keep checking my account. I thought they were going to organise the collection of my old devise. Seems like i shall give them a ring. They may charge my card again!
So... what do you think about my case (see photos in the previous post)? How does it compare to the "average Nexus 10" you have/have seen? Is it "ok" or "one of the worst cases" or... ?
I am not sure if it is not worth waiting 2-3 weeks for a new tablet, as opposed to holding onto a defective one for a few years...
theriel said:
So... what do you think about my case (see photos in the previous post)? How does it compare to the "average Nexus 10" you have/have seen? Is it "ok" or "one of the worst cases" or... ?
I am not sure if it is not worth waiting 2-3 weeks for a new tablet, as opposed to holding onto a defective one for a few years...
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Your one looks bad!
@OP: It seems the question should be whether your screen looks great to you in normal use or not. If lighting evenness irritates under normal use, *then* the dark room/full-black screen test can confirm what you're seeing. Is only time you see a funny pattern when testing the thing this way?
We can't really know if a picture taken with a typical camera in a dark room really reflects how you see the image; most cameras normally crank the gain up 'till there's some kind of funny colored image. My screen is a bit brighter in the lower right when running this test -- which I see as nothing more than an interesting detail about how the backlighting works, it's completely irrelevant to me in normal use. If your picture really does reflect what you experience, and it affects normal usage . . . yep, it's worse than mine.
The easiest way you can get context for what you're seeing is probably to run the same test on any laptop or tablet you can get ahold of -- makes sense that you don't want your tablet to come up short when compared to what you see first-hand on other LCD screens. That's probably a lot better way to decide!
My nexus 10 has a couple tiny specs of dust under the display, but I decided to keep it as it was better than the others I had. I went through 3 nexus 10s to get one with acceptable light bleed and minimal dust. In fact, the first of every device I've owned has had an issue. For instance, my first sgs3 had a few bright pixels, as did my second. To be honest, I can't even tell you if my current one has any issues as it has a screen protector on it, but it probably does. I also went through 3 1080p ips Asus laptops with screen defects before I gave up and bought a cheap Acer that also has bright pixel. My old Samsung galaxy tab 2 has two bright pixels and just noticed my canon elph camera also has one. My brand new surface pro has a small piece of dust under the display and a bright pixel. I guess my point is should I just accept the fact that no nexus 10 (or any other device for that matter) has a perfect display? Sorry if this question is too broad for this section, this is just the only place I could think to ask it where like minded people may be able to chime in. Thanks.
tcb4 said:
My nexus 10 has a couple tiny specs of dust under the display, but I decided to keep it as it was better than the others I had. I went through 3 nexus 10s to get one with acceptable light bleed and minimal dust. In fact, the first of every device I've owned has had an issue. For instance, my first sgs3 had a few bright pixels, as did my second. To be honest, I can't even tell you if my current one has any issues as it has a screen protector on it, but it probably does. I also went through 3 1080p ips Asus laptops with screen defects before I gave up and bought a cheap Acer that also has bright pixel. My old Samsung galaxy tab 2 has two bright pixels and just noticed my canon elph camera also has one. My brand new surface pro has a small piece of dust under the display and a bright pixel. I guess my point is should I just accept the fact that no nexus 10 (or any other device for that matter) has a perfect display? Sorry if this question is too broad for this section, this is just the only place I could think to ask it where like minded people may be able to chime in. Thanks.
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If that's the only issue and it doesn't really bother you keep it. I'm sure mine has some too but I just don't bother looking for them because I don't notice anything under normal circumstances. I'm sure you can get one without dust but then you'll probably find major light bleed. I wouldn't bother taking the chance of getting one worse unless it's really bad
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Well the obvious answer is no, but the closest I've gotten would be from my moto x and my lg g2. With a tablet as affordable and high speced (when it came out) I kind of have to assume quality control wasn't the most stringent. That and if you think about it, the nexus 10 was a sand box for all of Samsung's new tech so the production methods probably weren't perfected yet
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