I own an S3 (Galaxy Nexus before the S3) and can't decide if I want this Nexus 4 or not. I have been reading a lot of complaints about LG phones, specifically shoddy hardware. So I'm curious if anyone in here buying the N4 have actually owned an LG phone before. I've been an Apple/Samsung guy for the last 4 years so making the switch is a little unsettling after reading some feedback on LG on XDA. It's a Google OS as vanilla as it gets, and that is a good thing. However after your return policy is up it will be LG supporting this device and backing the hardware, that's what concerns me.
Never owned an LG before ( except a fridge maybe?) but it's a nexus. Sometimes I even forget that it's made by LG.
Yeah it's a Nexus, but it's not made or supported by Google. That's my concern. The Nexus 7 is a Nexus and that has to be one of the most shoddily made devices I've ever owned. I went through 5 before I could actually use one without the screen lifting up.
No, and if this wasn't a Nexus, I would never buy it (someone said Optimus G?).
Because this is an LG, Google checks the device a million times and warranty is buy Google.
So I guess the only thing we need to worry about is how good does LG check devices coming from the factory. (just want to say I think HTC don't do it well.. they should sell their devices will a soldering kit to fix wifi / gps :laughing:
Anyway, I own an LG Smart TV, and its awesome! No problems at all!
Used to have an Optimus 2x i changed out with a Galaxy Nexus after a year or so, it wasn't bad but the software support was awful, heck they haven't even done ICS for it yet, but it was atleast better than the Nexus which i got scratches on after a few months.
Sold that and changed to the SGS3 which i would've kept if it hadn't pinktinted my display, now i'm gonna get it repaired under warranty and sell that if there is nothing to the claimed issues with the Nexus 4 performance/heat conductivity.
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No, and if this wasn't a Nexus, I would never buy it (someone said Optimus G?).
Because this is an LG, Google checks the device a million times and warranty is buy Google.
So I guess the only thing we need to worry about is how good does LG check devices coming from the factory. (just want to say I think HTC don't do it well.. they should sell their devices will a soldering kit to fix wifi / gps :laughing:
Anyway, I own an LG Smart TV, and its awesome! No problems at all!
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Google does not warranty this device and where is your evidence that Google checks the device a million times. As it is Google has sent out review samples that are getting results all over the place. That doesn't instill a lot of confidence in Googles checks.
I'm not trying to crap on LG here, but I also don't want to blindly buy a device I know nothing about just because it's a Nexus. Like I said, the Nexus 7 is a Nexus and that has horrible build quality and quality control issues. When you have problems with a Nexus 7 after your Google Play return policy you are dealing with Asus, not Google for warranty issues.
I've had a G2x for a year and a half, and and although the software on it was horrible, the build quality was excellent. Their devices don't feel cheap at all.
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I had an LG flip phone back in the day that I liked.
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i had the Optimus 4X, and it is yet to be opened by LG. it has alot of security checks to make sure no one tries to abuse their licenced hardware functions.
they have the bootloader locked on the Tegra3 platform like Asus do on Prime, and no unlocking available.
If they follow their current strategy around sourcecode and proprietary code with security checks around the binaries being in place, i would stay far,far,far away from this device by LG.
It will never get any good support primarily because LG is behind it, so no Gold'LOL'Star from me for this release. It will probably fail long before it ever becomes a success.
exception is if Google agreed to keep this partnership with open sources, it might be totally differenty and LG is not using any special hardware which is closedsource NDA based. so probably based on buying a techkit from an electronics store where no licence is to be paid.
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Google does not warranty this device and where is your evidence that Google checks the device a million times. As it is Google has sent out review samples that are getting results all over the place. That doesn't instill a lot of confidence in Googles checks.
I'm not trying to crap on LG here, but I also don't want to blindly buy a device I know nothing about just because it's a Nexus. Like I said, the Nexus 7 is a Nexus and that has horrible build quality and quality control issues. When you have problems with a Nexus 7 after your Google Play return policy you are dealing with Asus, not Google for warranty issues.
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Evidences? No problem. Google checked the Galaxy Nexus and found out a serious bug at the emmc (or something like that). Then Samsung used it in the Galaxy Note (first one) and they got bricks...
And about warranty, at an Israeli forum we contact Google to ask them about warranty, and they said they are responsible for it..
Owned a Optimus One. Rock solid. Still works. I'm not concerned about buying a LG Nexus 4.
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Never even considered an LG before. And wouldn't have but for the fact that it's a Nexus device.
I had an Optimus 2X, hardware was fine… it was the software that was crap.
owned a G2X.
Sold it for an Xperia S.
Now I don't know if it was a right decision.
But the right decision is to get the N4.
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I had an LG flip phone back in the day that I liked.
Sent from my bootloader-locked MB865.
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If we're going by their dumb/featurephones, I had a Samsung slider whose sliding functionality got really rough after about a year (it didn't slide nearly as smoothly as when I bought it). Sounds about right, really.
Had LG Optimus One - P500... My first Android device..Was a good phone... No issues at all..
I had a Lg ks20 windows phone. Build quality pretty good
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I owned a LG Optimus One (p500) . Pretty good device. Now my mom uses it with CM9 without any problem
Owned a G2x and it was freaking terrible. I read all of the forums where people complained about random reboots and overheating and ignored them all. About a week or 2 after I purchased it I started getting reboots and my phone would get hot too. Don't just take my word for it. Remember LG just let the phone die and never really tool responsibility for it. They wrote the G2x off.
I'm not one of those uber-geeks who demands 0 light bleed or care if I can root it right away but after my G2x experience I vowed to never buy another LG phone again. But here I am. I too am torn between my horrible experience with LG vs. my love of Nexus phones. I think in this case, I'll wait a few weeks to see how the forums sound with first adapters and go from there.
My last five phones have all been LG. I had two dumb phones; the same dumb phone, actually. I used to be really horrible with cell phones (my record is eleven phones in one year) so after that particular phone had enough abuse, I bought it again since I liked it so much.
My first smartphone was the Optimus M from Metro, followed by the Optimus V on Virgin Mobile. When I joined my mom's family plan on T-Mobile, I stuck to what I know and got the G2x (Optimus 2X).
The hardware is nice. It's solid built phone with great specs. It's actual performance, though, was lack luster. I expected a lot more from that phone and I had issues with it that I didn't have on the two low end Optimus devices I owned prior. However, rooting the phone made a HUGE difference in performance and made my phone so much better. Also, I"m sure different users have difference experiences with that phone. My mom has the same phone, but has never had a single complaint about it like I have.
I was in the whole "LG never again camp, but it was confirmed LG was making the Nexus and it was being sold for the price it's being sold for. I'm hoping that, being a Nexus, I won't experience the same problems that I did with my G2x. Despite my history with the G2x, I am more than likely DEFINITELY going to buy the Nexus 4. I will, however, wait for the early adopters to get theirs so we can have some real reviews by real people before I spend money on it, but I'm pretty sure I will own it by December.
My original plan was just to get the Galaxy Nexus to hold me over until my contract was up in July, then either check out the latest and greatest from Android or switch to Windows Phone. Since the Nexus 4 is being sold for the same price as the Galaxy Nexus, though, I'm just going to buy that, then move myself to a contract free plan in July.
So, yeah... this is going to be my sixth LG phone in a row. I've only had ONE bad experience with them and Nvidia can actually take part of the blame for that so it isn't all LG. Still, with the right ROM (currently running CM10 Paranoid Android), I do enjoy my G2x. I'm almost confident that Nexus 4 will by fine out of the box and it will definitely be a noticeable upgrade for me.
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So, I'm a daily patron on craigslist and as a side hobby I trade phones, I always seem to make a profit if I wait so it's something I do kinda for fun. I have had a recent influx of literally every kind of galaxy S phone there is aside from the Nexus S (which I wouldnt touch with a 10 foot pole.) For example, I posted my HD7 less than 2 hours ago, and have had 13 offers, 4 are unlocked iphones and the remaining 9 have all been captivates or vibrants all offering as much as 150 cash with their phone for an HD7. I mean a couple would be written off as coincidence but literally every offer. I mean I knew these phones were crap the first time I touched the vibrant but it's funny seeing all these media sheep finally realizing they made a bad deal. Samsung has always been the biggest scam artist in the phone world and it's good to see so many people finally realizing it. This just goes to show that HTC is the only way to go
You can't really talk unless you've owned a galaxy s phone. I can tell you from experience the Captivate or Vibrant is anything but a piece of ****. Given, the software sucks but that's why we have xda, right?
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Had a vibrant 3 days, rooted, unlocked, and running the G2 girmware (or a clone). Worst phone I've had since the cliq. The original software was crap (thank you XDA for that save) and the overall plasticky feel of it paired with the buffer overrun issue just killed it. My wife owns a captivate, much better build quality and doesnt seem to have the same buffer issues though I would think it should. XDA has made that phone usable but by default... hardly. I'd still pick an HD2 running android over it any day. Of course this is ffrom someone whos grown tired of android as a whole and the fact that it has to be constantly 'tweaked' just to remain functional but as a former android fanboy, those phones were kinda an embarassment and way overhyped for mediocrity.
I owned a Nexus S for long enough to have an opinion: I'm never buying from Samsung again.
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People that sell out vibrant can't handle vibrant or android imho.Get an iphone and don't even bother with any android.
Vibrant nero v3
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people who buy vibrants are people who do what the media tells them is more individual. Go be a mac user. I'll stick to real android devices manufactured by HTC as they should be.
Had a Samsung SGH-i900 Omnia between jan 2009 and mars 2010 (dropped it in water that killed the Omnia but thank lord not the SIM and memory cards).
Anyone still remember the Samsung marketing of that phone. Well to make a long story short: The i900 never delivered what Samsung promised in their marketing.
Sticking to SonyEricsson now.
TheBiles said:
I owned a Nexus S for long enough to have an opinion: I'm never buying from Samsung again.
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but you have a samsung in nexus S, Nexus S was made by Samsung for Google.
How about that?
bR
essojay said:
but you have a samsung in nexus S, Nexus S was made by Samsung for Google.
How about that?
bR
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hence the reason hes texting from a G2... he obviously gave it up...
I own a Captivate - and other than the crappy OTA OS, non-working GPS, random shutdowns, and the lag... it's a great phone.
But.. thanks to XDA and much tweaking the performance of the phone is better, GPS hobbles along semi working - but the shutdown issue still exists due to hardware and I've been too busy to go get it exchanged.
I wouldn't recommend getting a Samsung phone to anyone. I like mine (when it works) but couldn't recommend it to anyone else.
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but you have a samsung in nexus S, Nexus S was made by Samsung for Google.
How about that?
bR
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I guess you missed the "sent from my G2."
If you were in the UK I may have brought something from ya, I could do with another phone xD
the nexus s is the biggest phone ripoff ive seen in some time ... they took a half year(which is alot in phone life) hardware , gave it an update that everyone is gonna have in a few months anyway , slapped a full price on , and WOW THE NEW NEXUSSSSS !! ppl who fall for that , well i pity them
Wow, everyone is trying to get rid of their Galaxy S...
...Some of us never even had one
some people were so lucky.
I will personally never buy a samsung phone again after owning the moment. The wife has an epic and loves it but i dont care much for it.
That said the latest LG phones have been very nice and i am not a fan of sense so its nice to have options other than htc.
Your average every day person will either think the vibrant is a great phone or a complete fail. I liked my vibrant until I started hearing about the issues and realized they exist. Now, after many modifications, I like it more than any phone out now.
I work with 3 people that own droid x's. Anytime I've asked any of them to play with it, it's had nearly as much lag as my stock vibrant. I owned a g2 for 3 days and mytouch 4g for a week. Those are for people that want a new, fast phone and don't care how it looks or how they look using one. Neither are very physically attractive, they run decent though.
Galaxy S phones were definitely a fail software wise by samsung. Hardware wise, they're still as good as anything else. They aren't for people that want a top phone but don't want to modify it.
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some nnob said he had G2 firmware on his Vibrant... BS! My vibrant is a G2/MT4G/EVO/DroidX killer, screw benchmarks, just take raw performance. Yes I rooted and flashed roms (no lag-fix though) but thats wats so great abiut android.
Now I will say that out of the box it has issues, but so has every phone. (excluding the G1 it was excellent) But I have working gps, night mode imo better than led flash, ffc with all video chat apps working, noled for notifications, full 2.2 with flash 10.1, ect...
The SGS community have made thus phone great. People just have to take advantage.
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well I mean there have been over 10 million galaxy s phones sold, so its understandable that they'd show up on craigslist more. but because of past experiences with Samsung, (ie my mom's moment) I would never trust a Samsung again. should've got her a htc hero.
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everyone says sammy's bad about updating but what about moto and the cliq? htc and the G1 after the mytouch and n1 release? Dell and sony still shipping 1.6? they all sucked. Sammy was smart by concentrating on one device, working the update and allowing the carrier to add tweaks. The phone has been here 6mos max and people are clamoring that they are slow, the phone is still new, and they've dropped updates already for launch day issues. If your unit is defective exchange it, you got a year warranty like the rest of us.
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I would say about 80 percent of Atrix users I have spoke to are unhappy with there purchase. With mumblings of shoddy software and no real time speed increases, its fair to assume this device is a bit of a fail. Just go over to the marketplace and see the large second hand market for Atrix's, after just one month on sale.
So glad I have my Nexus S
The Atrix I fear is one of the nails in motorola's coffin.
Google rules
JD
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lol.. any chance you read the benchmark comparisons between LG Optimus 2X vs. Atrix? not that benchmarks mean anything but it was interesting to see the difference between those two phones.
Next up versus the Nexus S. T-Mobile G2x, it actually seems like a good competitor on paper. Since its reportedly supposed to be running on stock Android. But I'll most likely wait until a quad-core Nexus phone comes out since Quad cores are rumored to be done by later this year.
These devices I feel are making a bad name for android. People who got the atrix as their first android phone, would probably think that android is laggy even with dual core processor. I wish Google would have went the 'apple route' and control both hardware and software instead of letting these manufacturers put crap on android.
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lol.. any chance you read the benchmark comparisons between LG Optimus 2X vs. Atrix? not that benchmarks mean anything but it was interesting to see the difference between those two phones.
Next up versus the Nexus S. T-Mobile G2x, it actually seems like a good competitor on paper. Since its reportedly supposed to be running on stock Android. But I'll most likely wait until a quad-core Nexus phone comes out since Quad cores are rumored to be done by later this year.
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Quad core hummingbird and snapdragon's would be class, but as with everything we will have to wait for the software to catch up with the hardware
Motorola really make some crap phones though, and the crapness emanates from Motoblur, it basically makes apps incompatible,
What a great skin Full marks Moto
JD
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Agree with Mokurex anyone use this device will hate Android
I think Google should force phones manufactures to install a stock
Android over there phones (controlled by Google).
Then they could put there software in the market
and make it connected with the phone serial number.
That will make all phones up to date also will give the consumer
the right to chose wither to install these apps or not
I tried many Android phones from HTC, MOTO and SAMSUNG
I found Nexus S the fastest, cleanest and most beautiful phone
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Agree with Mokurex anyone use this device will hate Android
I think Google should force phones manufactures to install a stock
Android over there phones (controlled by Google).
Then they could put there software in the market
and make it connected with the phone serial number.
That will make all phones up to date also will give the consumer
the right to chose wither to install these apps or not
I tried many Android phones from HTC, MOTO and SAMSUNG
I found Nexus S the fastest, cleanest and most beautiful phone
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Android is Open Source, they couldn't reinforce those ideas if they wanted to because Android from the very beginning was established to be opened to any company.
And honestly, too many of you are thinking as a enthusiastic user. Why exactly do you think these manufacturers don't care so much about upgrading their phones to the latest Android version? The average user is the large % of their sales. The average user doesn't look at Android the way we do. They don't even know about Froyo or Gingerbread. They just use a phone as a phone.
Nexus S is definitely a great device. And I'm not looking back. From this point onward (since Nexus S), I decided that I'm only getting Nexus based devices. Anything other than that, I'm not interested.
I happen to have an Atrix and Nexus S in front of me right now... been testing them together for a few days. The Nexus S has been my main daily driver and the Atrix just accompanies to see how well it stacks up. Bottom line... the Atrix is going back, nexus S staying for a while longer for now.
It's just another classical case of good hardware, horrible software implementation, similar to how Nokia was going with S60. Nothing is optimized for the dual core, the Nexus S is faster at almost every task, even flash playback in the browser which is surprising, because the hummingbird chipsets are known to suck at browsing compared to snapdragons. Also, the Atrix has a terrible case of color banding... if you thought the SAMOLEDs were bad, the Atrix just doesn't use its 24bit panel at all. Again, poor software. The camera is much better, and the battery is significantly better, but all the software and bloatware just takes away from the experience so much.
If you have anything you guys want me to compare between the two let me know before I return it =)
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Android is Open Source, they couldn't reinforce those ideas if they wanted to because Android from the very beginning was established to be opened to any company.
And honestly, too many of you are thinking as a enthusiastic user. Why exactly do you think these manufacturers don't care so much about upgrading their phones to the latest Android version? The average user is the large % of their sales. The average user doesn't look at Android the way we do. They don't even know about Froyo or Gingerbread. They just use a phone as a phone.
Nexus S is definitely a great device. And I'm not looking back. From this point onward (since Nexus S), I decided that I'm only getting Nexus based devices. Anything other than that, I'm not interested.
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Only Google phone's for me too from now on. And I don't think I could consider another HTC phone without AMOLED as minimum screen spec... This is why samsung have a hold of the market, the screens are fantastic
JD
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Only Google phone's for me too from now on. And I don't think I could consider another HTC phone without AMOLED as minimum screen spec... This is why samsung have a hold of the market, the screens are fantastic
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correction: Super AMOLED i wonder what Super AMOLED Plus looks like, but yeah i totally agree about Samsung. I don't get whats the hatred towards Samsung, they have no control over the Nexus S.
Sure, people criticize about the plastic back. I wish it was aluminium myself, but believe me. This phone is not CHEAPLY made at all, it's solidly constructed.
There's no such thing as a perfect phone. But the Nexus S is pretty damn close to perfect. If it had 720p and SD card, it'd be perfect without question. 4G on top of that, it's a dream phone. But I don't really care about 4G
I have Q could Nexus s get 720p thru a future update?
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I have Q could Nexus s get 720p thru a future update?
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No its a hardware limitation. It could get hacked by CyanogenMod team and 720p could be added but it wouldn't be "true" 720p if you know what I mean.
Motorola sux
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Torn between these two phones, was going to pick up an Atrix the other day but then found out Nexus S is coming to all Canadian carriers according to Samsung.
Love the Nexus but really hate the fact it's only 16GB with no SD card. If it was 32GB I could handle it. Missing 720p sucks too.
How likely is it that Motorola would either fix Motoblur or ditch it when they release the Atrix Gingerbread update this year? or at least unlock the bootloader so you can run a stock version of Gingerbread if you choose?
If I was confident that I could run stock versions of Android on the Atrix, my decision would be easy.
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How likely is it that Motorola would either fix Motoblur or ditch it when they release the Atrix Gingerbread update this year? or at least unlock the bootloader so you can run a stock version of Gingerbread if you choose?
If I was confident that I could run stock versions of Android on the Atrix, my decision would be easy.
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Well that's pretty easy to answer. The probability of that happening is zero. Motorola locks the bootloader on all their phones and it's up to people here to hack it. It only really slows them down, but still it's annoying. Also, gingerbread will be a while away I'm guessing, let alone Ice Cream.
Just look at the entire history of Motorola android phones and see which ones actually have an AOSP ROM out (cyanogen)... the answer is only one, the original Droid/Milestone from 2009. If you want customization, HTC and Samsung phones seem to get more ROMs. You may think that Motorola doesn't want custom ROMs because they polish their blur UI but it's quite the opposite with my Atrix experience. Everything, I mean virtually EVERYTHING is half-assed on the phone. Terrible color banding, random reboots, tons and tons of bloatware that conflict with each other and drain the battery (which is why you see battery complaints despite having a 1930mah battery).
thanks, making my decision easier. I'm a noob to android, switching over from my piece of crap iphone (jailbroken, themed, etc) so I'm hoping to learn from anybody's experience with these phones.
The nexus will probably make me happier, but I love the hardware profile of the Atrix. Damn I just want an Atrix running a clean version of Gingerbread.
Don't get me wrong, the Atrix is still a great phone. If you're stuck between an iPhone, Atrix, or Nexus S, no matter what you'll end up with a powerful phone. I have no doubt the Atrix will be a smooth machine in the hands of an experienced Android user who knows what apps to freeze, etc., but there are some things that just can't be fixed until Motorola decides to fix them for us such as the color banding, capped upload speeds, multitouch bugs, etc. Yea it has a Tegra 2, but the GPU is actually not even better than the Nexus S/Galaxy S GPU. I've played a bunch of Tegra games and they don't look any better than games that are on the iPhone (which has a slower GPU than the Nexus S). Sure, Tegra zone will help the gaming market pick up for android by enforcing a standard, but it's still a crappy standard for coming out a year later.
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thanks, making my decision easier. I'm a noob to android, switching over from my piece of crap iphone (jailbroken, themed, etc) so I'm hoping to learn from anybody's experience with these phones.
The nexus will probably make me happier, but I love the hardware profile of the Atrix. Damn I just want an Atrix running a clean version of Gingerbread.
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I would say about 80 percent of Atrix users I have spoke to are unhappy with there purchase. With mumblings of shoddy software and no real time speed increases, its fair to assume this device is a bit of a fail. Just go over to the marketplace and see the large second hand market for Atrix's, after just one month on sale.
So glad I have my Nexus S
The Atrix I fear is one of the nails in motorola's coffin.
Google rules
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i actually posted my Nexus Vs Atrix on the Atrix forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=992512
over all. the new problems with atrix makes it abit of fail device now in my eyes
- Locked bootloader. and it doesnt seem its going to be unlocked anytime soon. even the new HTC is locked. i believe from now on all the phones will be locked. which makes the Nexus Line is the only available option for the people like us who like to tweak his phone. whatever optimus 2x or galaxy S2 or Evo 3d will be unlocked is different story. but for now. the best safe bet go with Nexus line.
- only 2 fingers for multi touch + it stops working after you holding it for 12 seconds. like say you are playing racing games, and you are pressing the screen to throttle, while the other finger to move your car, after 12 seconds both touches will stop responding and the screen will act fuzzy for like 4 to 5 seconds before it gets its act together. whatever that is hardware problem or software problem. its a total fail for gaming on that device no matter how powerful its.
and even if its a software issue, knowing motorolla. atrix owners will be glad if they get it fixed by the end of the year. + locked bootloader so devs to try and fix it them selves is out of the window. makes the atrix a complete fail in my eyes.
- the screen is ****. i am sorry but if i can see pixels on both screens. why would i go with less colors ? sure the pixels density are more in atrix. but i still see the pixels. and the colors are not nice as SA. why would i go back step ?
honestly. between atrix and Nexus S. the Nexus S wins hands down. and this coming from an iphone owner who used atrix for couple of days and use the nexus S almost every day since its with my young brother
but i dont agree that this is a nail in the coffin for motorolla. this company is so huge to be effected by couple of flips of phones. and even then. the moto sold very well. the hype alone sold the phone. sure many didnt like it. but for moto, they sold good enough so thats not a flop for them.
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i actually posted my Nexus Vs Atrix on the Atrix forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=992512
over all. the new problems with atrix makes it abit of fail device now in my eyes
- Locked bootloader. and it doesnt seem its going to be unlocked anytime soon. even the new HTC is locked. i believe from now on all the phones will be locked. which makes the Nexus Line is the only available option for the people like us who like to tweak his phone. whatever optimus 2x or galaxy S2 or Evo 3d will be unlocked is different story. but for now. the best safe bet go with Nexus line.
- only 2 fingers for multi touch + it stops working after you holding it for 12 seconds. like say you are playing racing games, and you are pressing the screen to throttle, while the other finger to move your car, after 12 seconds both touches will stop responding and the screen will act fuzzy for like 4 to 5 seconds before it gets its act together. whatever that is hardware problem or software problem. its a total fail for gaming on that device no matter how powerful its.
and even if its a software issue, knowing motorolla. atrix owners will be glad if they get it fixed by the end of the year. + locked bootloader so devs to try and fix it them selves is out of the window. makes the atrix a complete fail in my eyes.
- the screen is ****. i am sorry but if i can see pixels on both screens. why would i go with less colors ? sure the pixels density are more in atrix. but i still see the pixels. and the colors are not nice as SA. why would i go back step ?
honestly. between atrix and Nexus S. the Nexus S wins hands down. and this coming from an iphone owner who used atrix for couple of days and use the nexus S almost every day since its with my young brother
but i dont agree that this is a nail in the coffin for motorolla. this company is so huge to be effected by couple of flips of phones. and even then. the moto sold very well. the hype alone sold the phone. sure many didnt like it. but for moto, they sold good enough so thats not a flop for them.
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I fear these locked bootloaders have been brought in after what happened with the g2 and HD line. So many people bricked their phones using the early complicated method to root and get Eng S-off. I know for a fact T-Mobile USA replaced every handset without questioning or checking for the actual cause. I think when these phones eventually got back to HTC they saw there was only one future option, leave all phones unlocked, or lock down the phones completely. They seem to have chosen the second route. I personally would not buy a phone I could not root as this was the main reason for me to ditch the iphone. I'm a firm believer that if you purchase a phone you should be able to do what the hell you like with it. I would pefer that all phones come with an oem bootloader unlock but If activated generates a limited warranty to just hardware faults. I think OEM's just need to use some common sense when replacing handsets, people that brick their phones through lack of knowledge or stupidity should face the consequences.
JD
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I fear these locked bootloaders have been brought in after what happened with the g2 and HD line. So many people bricked their phones using the early complicated method to root and get Eng S-off. I know for a fact T-Mobile USA replaced every handset without questioning or checking for the actual cause. I think when these phones eventually got back to HTC they saw there was only one future option, leave all phones unlocked, or lock down the phones completely. They seem to have chosen the second route. I personally would not buy a phone I could not root as this was the main reason for me to ditch the iphone. I'm a firm believer that if you purchase a phone you should be able to do what the hell you like with it. I would pefer that all phones come with an oem bootloader unlock but If activated generates a limited warranty to just hardware faults. I think OEM's just need to use some common sense when replacing handsets, people that brick their phones through lack of knowledge or stupidity should face the consequences.
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actually, there is a more " easy " reason why they decided to lock it down.
they really dont want people to keep their phone. they want people to change at least once a year. which is why they are offering more than 1 device per year.
if you have unlocked bootloader. then you will update your software without needing HTC or Samsung or any other company for that matters. and it will prevent a possible future sale of their new offering. its a business move.
which is why i like apple in this regard. 1 phone per year. smart move. keep the customers loyal to you. dont screw them up by releasing a newer better device than yours every 3 months or 4.
there is a reason why apple is leading. too bad all other companies are that stupid :/
as for the andriod, i think from now on all companies will use a locked bootloader. locked karnel. the only way to go is the nexus line i assume if you are looking for open Dev mobile. and i highly doubt Samsung or LG will let their new high end phones like optimus 2x, optimus 3G or galaxy S2 to be without a signed bootloader.
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i actually posted my Nexus Vs Atrix on the Atrix forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=992512
over all. the new problems with atrix makes it abit of fail device now in my eyes
- Locked bootloader. and it doesnt seem its going to be unlocked anytime soon. even the new HTC is locked. i believe from now on all the phones will be locked. which makes the Nexus Line is the only available option for the people like us who like to tweak his phone. whatever optimus 2x or galaxy S2 or Evo 3d will be unlocked is different story. but for now. the best safe bet go with Nexus line.
- only 2 fingers for multi touch + it stops working after you holding it for 12 seconds. like say you are playing racing games, and you are pressing the screen to throttle, while the other finger to move your car, after 12 seconds both touches will stop responding and the screen will act fuzzy for like 4 to 5 seconds before it gets its act together. whatever that is hardware problem or software problem. its a total fail for gaming on that device no matter how powerful its.
and even if its a software issue, knowing motorolla. atrix owners will be glad if they get it fixed by the end of the year. + locked bootloader so devs to try and fix it them selves is out of the window. makes the atrix a complete fail in my eyes.
- the screen is ****. i am sorry but if i can see pixels on both screens. why would i go with less colors ? sure the pixels density are more in atrix. but i still see the pixels. and the colors are not nice as SA. why would i go back step ?
honestly. between atrix and Nexus S. the Nexus S wins hands down. and this coming from an iphone owner who used atrix for couple of days and use the nexus S almost every day since its with my young brother
but i dont agree that this is a nail in the coffin for motorolla. this company is so huge to be effected by couple of flips of phones. and even then. the moto sold very well. the hype alone sold the phone. sure many didnt like it. but for moto, they sold good enough so thats not a flop for them.
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I picked up an unlocked Atrix from Bell Canada (while I was there skiing) last week and put a long side my Nexus S, I actually prefer the Atrix - and I'll explain why.
I'm not one who cares about unlocking bootloaders. Not everyone wants to mod their phones. My Nexus S is still locked. BTW, the Atrix bootloader has been cracked (http://www.androidcentral.com/has-motorolas-bootloader-encryption-been-cracked) but you already knew that didnt you??
The Atrix is running Android 2.2 which accounts for a little lag and reduced dual core speed. Once it gets the latest version of Gingerbread - which has full multi CPU support, the phone will be a whole lot different. Having dual cores in the long run will at least keep the Atrix up there with the best for at least 6-7 months, as opposed to the Nexus S which is technically already outdated and old tech (actually it was already old tech 1-2 months prior to its release lol).
I actually like the screen on the Atrix and I rate it better than the Nexus S SAMOLED - especially outside. Sure the SAMOLED has deep blacks and rich colours, but I still cant see the ****er in direct sunlight. For me, this is a complete fail.
The finger print scanner is unique and reliable. Its good to know that my phone is locked down, especially if it is stolen or I loose it.
The build quality on mine is superb. I can't fault it to be honest.
The Atrix has gorilla glass (thank God), as opposed to a rubbish glass screen with a pathetic oleophobic coating that rubs off after 2 weeks of use (I'm on my 3rd Nexus S because of this **** BTW - and the screen scratches so easily even when its in my empty jeans pocket..... )
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The only advantages of having the Nexus S is that it will get the latest Android updates and you unlock the bootloader to flash what ever rom/kernel (whatever) you want...
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I'm not here to bash the Nexus S, just sharing my opinions. I just wish Google stuck with HTC for the Nexus S, rather than going cheap with Samsung. HTC make a far better quality handset for sure. The plasticky build of the Nexus S is a real let down.
I also think Motorola has turned over a new leaf with the Atrix. They've gone in all guns blazing with a laptop dock and loads of accessories like HDMI desktop docks, etc as well. I do not think they intend to let this handset die off into the sunset without software updates. If they did this with the Atrix, they will kill themselves just like Sony Ericsson did with the X10 line. I will never ever ever ever never ever touch another Sony Ericsson handset for the rest of my life.
I've never used an LG phone before. I've always had a Samsung. And it hasn't exactly disappointed me so far.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone "recommend" any LG phone. I'm only buying this one because of it's uber specs and it's ultra low price (I can't afford a phone of this stature otherwise). Also maybe because I need a new phone. I'm currently using the Galaxy 3 (not s3).
If I buy this phone I'm going to have to get it from the US through a relative or a friend. Which basically means no warranty. And it's LG. And its battery is non removable.
What are your views on this?
Also, can someone convince me to buy this phone?
LG makes great hardware, but ruins it with their software support. Moot point here, as Google brings the updates. It's a win-win
This phone looks to have a solid build. Reminds me of the Blackberry 9900 Bold Touch, pure metal black finish.
Sounds like you don't have any experience with LG handsets. They make good hardware according to most reviews I've seen.
Just because you've never heard anything about LG handsets doesn't mean they are crap. You should go to the store and check some out for yourself.
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I've never used an LG phone before. I've always had a Samsung. And it hasn't exactly disappointed me so far.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone "recommend" any LG phone. I'm only buying this one because of it's uber specs and it's ultra low price (I can't afford a phone of this stature otherwise). Also maybe because I need a new phone. I'm currently using the Galaxy 3 (not s3).
If I buy this phone I'm going to have to get it from the US through a relative or a friend. Which basically means no warranty. And it's LG. And its battery is non removable.
What are your views on this?
Also, can someone convince me to buy this phone?
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A Korean buddy of mine told me that in Korea, Samsung is like Ford while LG is like Lexus
J.ust A. R.eally V.ery I.ntelligent S.ystem
Why does no one give LG a chance. Everybody said they would never buy another Samsung phone. Look how that turned out. This will be a solidly built device (LG) with solidly done software(Google). It should be a no brainer from those standpoints.
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The early indications are really good, hopefully it doesn't have any bugs that only come out after launch.
In China, LG is fine.
I can't believe you liked Samsung's quality. From their crappy phone days they've never made a solid looking phone. The only thing that prevented me from getting a Nexus earlier is that they were made by Samsung. I'll throw in my money and gamble with it.
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The early indications are really good, hopefully it doesn't have any bugs that only come out after launch.
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Bugs will not be LG's fault
I'd only be worried about it if it weren't a nexus device. Every LG phone that's had problems has always been OS related from what I've seen and heard.
to be honest I am never going to buy samsung cause of ther crappy build body. I used note, S3, S2 and all of them had a crappy plastic body. Samsung doing it wrong look it your S2, S3 or Notes especially the body part, I am happy that google pick LG but I most expected Motorola
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Bugs will not be LG's fault
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Bugs is the wrong word, I mean hardware faults, bad batches etc.
All devices will have some of those as well. Lg hw does not have a bad rep but every mass produced device has issues. The 7 had more than I can remember for a device in recent memory though.
The glass on the back will most likely by the thing everyone will complain about. Because it will break.
For example I think it was either Anand or Brian's iPhone 5 that actually had the screen separated from the device. He pushed it back in and it clipped in place. Later it came off again.
I have a reason to be skeptical about another lg phone. As a previous owner of an lg g2x, I was not happy with it. And yes the lg g2x was a Google phone with pure android and it sucked, lg support for it was horrible.
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I have a reason to be skeptical about another lg phone. As a previous owner of an lg g2x, I was not happy with it. And yes the lg g2x was a Google phone with pure android and it sucked, lg support for it was horrible.
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Stock android /= nexus. LG was the one making the updates, and it had to get them through T-Mobile to boot. Your point is moot
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Stock android /= nexus. LG was the one making the updates, and it had to get them through T-Mobile to boot. Your point is moot
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Indeed, and as far as i know it wasn't even stock android, atleast the european version weren't.
LG = Decent hardware, wank software support.
Since Google are dealing with the software, this should be pretty good.
in my country, this phone will have 0 resale price.. why?
coz its from lg..
and arabs are dumb enough to pay 1300$ for an iphone 5 they dun even know how to use..
on the bright side, my first lg jus got sold for this phone.. software sucked with locked bootloader..
but build quality was AMAZING
even better than my evo3d
LG makes good quality hardware, but the software isnt great and the ui lg uses is like using touchwiz 3.
But as software is handled by google, im willing to buy this one!
Not another one of these stupid threads
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With the Nexus 4 due out in less than 2 weeks, and I've noticed the Vibrant section is slowing down a bit again, will there be anyone left here? The N4 is exactly what I've been waiting to upgrade to. A Google phone at a good price point. If you haven't checked out the Nexus 4 section on this forum, it is going crazy already. My vibrant has been awesome through the 1.5 years I've had it, but the Nexus 4 is just too good to pass up.
tip: buy the N4 from google, tmo charges ~150$ for no reason
LOL, I will be staying. LG Nexus looks good, but for now, I shall wait and test it out for myself when it gets released. Reason why I'd rather wait and test is because its LG.... LG has been pretty bad. (Remember LG Optimus 2X? That was horrible.) But, looking at how its also a Google Nexus device, I have high hopes. The price is really nice too.
Was thinking about N4 also but i prefer LG logo on flat screens not on my phone . Finally i will choose between GS3 and Note2.
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was going to pre-order the n4, but now i'm not so sure with all of the lowly reviews. may wait it out to see "real world" reviews from xda'ers. if those are just as unfavorable, i may make the leap to the SGS3 now that the prices for used ones seem to be dropping a bit.
Fine, I'll let you all know how it turns out.
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Fine, I'll let you all know how it turns out.
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Personally, I'm strongly considering upgrading to a Nexus 4. Although the Galaxy S3 is also a nice device, and one I'm strongly considering as well. For those whom are trying to decide themselves, here's an informal video comparing the two spec-wise...
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was going to pre-order the n4, but now i'm not so sure with all of the lowly reviews. may wait it out to see "real world" reviews from xda'ers. if those are just as unfavorable, i may make the leap to the SGS3 now that the prices for used ones seem to be dropping a bit.
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Have seen zero "lowly" reviews so far. All are praising the hardware, but can't seem to agree upon battery life, which isn't surprising since the thing is still running pre-release software. And of course no LTE, which if people actually understood what a Nexus is would be a non issue.
N4 is using android 4.2 which uses new kernel 3.4, that might not be the optimized for all those benchmarks. And no reviews say that phone is lowly
posted this in another section:
I thought I was going to get the LG Nexus on day one release, but after the post by AdamOutler: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/nexus-4-battery-shot-reveals-potential-quality-issues/
I might wait for other people to get it and see if there are any issues. Some of the points he mentioned I actually agree it, since I have opened various Samsung devices with design features he mentioned, while he state the LG Nexus lacking them. I know this is over speculation, however, I bought the S3 when it was new and regretted buying it for its poor build quality. People are going crazy selling their Galaxy Nexus for super cheap now, so if the LG Nexus turn out to have issues, I might just repurchase the Galaxy Nexus instead for $200 or something. My last Galaxy Nexus I dropped it a few times without a case and still manage to sell it in mint condition.
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I've seen a ton of Android users bashing "iSheep" over the years for their undying loyalty and "sheepism" (if there is such a word) for the way that they foam at the mouth for every new Apple product that gets released. It seems that no matter what the reviews or competing products show them, they run out and buy that new iProduct as soon as it hits the shelves.
I've started to wonder if us Nexus fans aren't exactly the same.. here we have a brand new Nexus 4 coming out, and let's be honest most of the reviews are not on the positive side. I've seen the numerous justifications about how the test phones weren't running the most "optimized" software, how the reviewer(s) were Apple fan boys, how the final product won't be anything like the test phones..
However, when I started recounting my experiences with the Nexus brand, I have to say I think we are putting our blinders on due to the excitement of having a new Nexus with decent specs. Case point:
When I decided to buy the Galaxy Nexus I was extremely excited to finally get my hands on the "Pure Android Experience". Coming from the Galaxy SII, I had some high expectations of what I top notch smart phone should be - but I also had high hopes given the Gnex specs. When the day my Gnex arrived, I couldn't get the box open fast enough! Then low and behold - the phone was DOA. Wouldn't even power on, nothing. No long press, multiple press, extended charging, nada. Quickly called Google and was sent a replacement two days later.
When the replacement arrived, it powered up just fine (thank God..) and I began getting it all set up. Almost immediately I noticed it didn't seem as responsive as my Galaxy SII. The touch screen lacked the sensitivity of the SII, but I thought to myself, I can deal with that - hey, it's a Nexus! The colors seems a bit off to me, but I thought "it's probably just the auto-brightness". It was only after setting the phone up completely that I noticed the urine-colored whites and the muted colors. I thought to myself, "well, everyone says the Galaxy SII is over saturated anyway.." although I wasn't too convinced. It just didn't seem to have the "WOW" factor the SII had. Still, I carried on - after all.. it's a Nexus!
Three weeks later and I'm starting to get pissy about the Gnex. Reception just wasn't as good, seemed to run things slightly slower than my SII, DL speeds were slower than my SII, the touch screen responsiveness (or lack thereof) had simply become annoying. That coupled with the so-so screen quality and everything started to get to me. Dissatisfaction was growing at this point..
Finally I couldn't take it anymore. Sold my Gnex on XDA for $350 shipped and guess what? The very next day it drops to $350 in the Play Store. Felt really bad for the guy who bought mine, but since I keep my phones pristine I'm sure he was OK with it. Plus he saved tax + shipping.
So I immediately went out and bought the Galaxy SIII on release day. OH. MY. GOD. I had my phone back. It was like the SII only bigger. Better. Faster. Touch screen responsiveness and screen was simply amazing. Everything flew on this phone, no matter what I threw at it. Fell in love with Android all over again.
Three weeks ago I went and bought the Nexus 7. I thought, surely the reports of the QC issues are slightly exaggerated since XDA is such a small portion of the consumer population.. they're just a little more anal, a little more OCD about their devices (at least this is what I am reading by the members aggressively defending the Nexus 7). I'm sure it will be fine!
My first Nexus 7 has such bad light bleed I immediately returned it. Bad luck, I thought. I'm sure this isn't the norm. After all, I didn't have any screen lift.. right? My 2nd Nexus 7 - Ahh, perfection. No light bleed, no screen lift, everything looks great. Well, except for the slightly washed out colors and over saturated whites. But hey, it's LCD so what do I expect right? Besides... it's a Nexus!
Sure enough, here I am three weeks later, and the same light bleed in the lower left corner has manifested, along with a slight screen lift on the upper left hand side. I haven't removed the back to check for missing screws yet, but I am sure I will find it is the same as others have reported.. I won't be returning this one as I have decided to live with it even though it aggravates me every time I see it.
So here I am at the impasse.. I have the Galaxy SIII, which is what I consider the best phone on the market (besides perhaps the Note 2) running CM10 Jellybean 4.1.2 flawlessly.. and yet the Nexus name is calling to me again.
WHY IN THE WORLD should I expect things to be different this time? Why would I choose to ignore the reviews and believe other Nexus fan boys who say it's the "test phones" and software that is "not optimized", and that it's not the "final product"?
There's only ONE reason I can think of. Because I am a God damn Google fanatic that keeps ignoring reality in the hopes that everyone is wrong and this will be the best Android phone ever. But we all know that it won't... don't we?
I'm giving Google one last chance to impress the hell outta me. After this, if things turn out like they have in the past, I'm sorry to say it but... I will be a Samsung fan from now on. Yes, they did make the Gnex.. and it was inferior.. but honestly it's probably because they were putting everything into their Galaxy S line to steal the show, which IMO they have done quite successfully.
Don't let me down Google. Make me a Nexus believer again.
Anyone agree with me?
TL;DR, lol.
Nexus 4 will be made by Samsung. Should've called it the SGS4.
I disagree.
SGS2 owner.
locsplitter said:
Nexus 4 will be made by Samsung. Should've called it the SGS4.
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Uh... OK.
The Nexus 4 is made by LG. Not Samsung.
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Thats a lot of writing man, my eyes hurt
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TL;DR, lol.
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This.
Some things can't be properly conveyed in a short paragraph.
Not that I expected any actual responses in a Nexus forum.
I'm not saying that I'm not all in on the Nexus 4.. just saying I don't hold high hopes that it will be everything Google claims..
I read it and here's my take on the Nexus 4.
I may not be as technical as most people on XDA, but I try to read up as much as I can. I think what makes MOST (not all) Android users different from MOST (not all) iPhone users is that we actually take the time to research a product before be buy it. They buy their products because it says "Apple" on the box. We have countless different devices to choose from. We HAVE to do the research before we buy. This isn't just about buying a Nexus, this is about buying a new Android phone and having to choose between what's currently on the market.
For me, I'm over my current phone (T-Mobile G2x) and want to get a new one, but I'm still on contract. I don't make enough money to drop $600+ on a new phone. Hell, even if I did make enough money, I wouldn't be comfortable dropping that much money on a phone. Buying a phone from Google means I can buy a nice phone at an affordable price without forcing me to extend a contract that I never wanted to be on in the first place (I originally only switched from Virgin Mobile to T-Mobile because I wanted a better phone at a decent price and signing a contract used to be the only way to do that). My original plan was actually to buy the Galaxy Nexus to hold me over until my upgrade was available and then, from there, decide if I wanted to stick with Android or try out Windows Phone 8.
Then the Nexus 4 was announced and for the same exact price as the Galaxy Nexus. It's a better phone, at a better price.
Like I said, I may not be as technical as the rest of you, but what I see is a phone that is equivalent to each heavy hitter currently on the market (Galaxy SIII, One X, iPhone 5, the various upcoming offerings from Windows Phone 8). The only difference is that this phone is half the price of all of those. That's what I see when I look at the Nexus 4. I see an affordable upgrade for my current phone that is cheaper to every other comparable phone on the market and that's why I'm going to buy it (after consumer reviews of course, but it's almost certain that I will be ordering this phone before the month is over).
Now, the thing I do not understand is why people with the above mentioned phones would seriously consider this. Yes, it's a Nexus. Yes, it will get updates faster. But why should that all matter? All of us here on XDA are probably running rooted phones and we've all probably flashed multiple ROMs. My G2x is currently running Jellybean 4.1. It may not be 4.2, but I'm sure a clever dev will make it happen at some point. If not my phone, all of the above mentioned phones (minus the iPhone and Windows Phone 8 obviously) will get it at some point. Our vanilla Android experience isn't going to be vanilla for too long out of the box.
Maybe it's because I'm not made of money, but I wouldn't be able to justify dropping another $350 if I already had a $600+ phone. I don't buy into brands (part of the reason why I refuse to use Apple products). I'm happy to be a future owner of a Nexus phone, but I'm not buying it because it's Nexus (although that is nice). I'm buying it because it's cheap and, to my untrained eyes, more or less equal to the best phones on the market.
To each their own. To me, Nexus 4. All there is to it
I agree. I am buying the nexus 4 strictly for these reasons:
1) I need a new phone, currently using Samsung captivate on aokp jb milestone 1.
2) don't want to spend an arm and a leg for a new phone
3) want a phone that will be supported with software updates immediately
4) Want a phone that has great specs so that it can support future software updates down the road
I am not expecting this phone to be a savior. As the old saying goes, if it seems too good to be true it usually is. To buy the most powerful "best" phone and only pay 359$ for it brand new? That seems too good to be true IMO. I just need a huge upgrade from my captivate and the nexus is more than that.
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The Nexus 4 is made by LG. Not Samsung.
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Not according to this retailer. http://www.popularelect.com/LG-Nexus-4-Unlocked-Smartphone-p/Nexus4.htm?gclid=CKm_ksGpu7MCFcaDQgodClkAow
Source discussion http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1977196
I can see your point though I don't agree with some of your reasoning. At times there are levels of excitement that are disproportionate to reality, but I don't think this is representative of the majority of users.
As for the "negative reviews" take a look at the screenshots that show kernel and baseband versions - on at least three of the sites they are different versions. It is highly likely that software improvements will address these issues. The fact that many of the reviews did not make note that the software on their review device is a pre-release version is either disingenuous or ignorant. Making note of this as a consumer does not denote fanboyism.
All products will have build quality issues, this is just how things are. I returned my first Galaxy S2 because of problems with the screen and my first Nexus 7 as well. I know people who have had problems with iPhones and other Android devices which required RMA. Does that mean that an LG product will now have flaws because it has Google branding on it? Hardly. There probably will be issues and we'll hear all the whining and moaning, we wait and see.
tl;dr - it's just a phone, people need to chill the **** out. Only time will tell if it's a great phone or not.
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I can see your point though I don't agree with some of your reasoning. At times there are levels of excitement that are disproportionate to reality, but I don't think this is representative of the majority of users.
As for the "negative reviews" take a look at the screenshots that show kernel and baseband versions - on at least three of the sites they are different versions. It is highly likely that software improvements will address these issues. The fact that many of the reviews did not make note that the software on their review device is a pre-release version is either disingenuous or ignorant. Making note of this as a consumer does not denote fanboyism.
All products will have build quality issues, this is just how things are. I returned my first Galaxy S2 because of problems with the screen and my first Nexus 7 as well. I know people who have had problems with iPhones and other Android devices which required RMA. Does that mean that an LG product will now have flaws because it has Google branding on it? Hardly. There probably will be issues and we'll hear all the whining and moaning, we wait and see.
tl;dr - it's just a phone, people need to chill the **** out. Only time will tell if it's a great phone or not.
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Why, when other phones are reviewed, are they not on some sort of "pre-release" software?
I don't remember reading reviews of other high end Android phones and seeing people say they were "misleading" or that the "software wasn't optimized"
I mean c'mon, all of the sudden reviews are completely bogus and software isn't up to par?
I don't care of they were running GB, the phone either flies or it doesn't.
OP, I'm really glad you made this thread. I've never had a Nexus and I also am over my current device (myTouch 4G) and chomping at the bit to get a new one. I had no idea there were that many problems with either the gnex or the N7. This worries me. I have some thinking to do...
Also, have a thanks.
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Why, when other phones are reviewed, are they not on some sort of "pre-release" software?
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If the software is not released or finished, then they are by definition running 'pre-release' software.
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I don't remember reading reviews of other high end Android phones and seeing people say they were "misleading" or that the "software wasn't optimized"
I mean c'mon, all of the sudden reviews are completely bogus and software isn't up to par?
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I never said the reviews were completely bogus, in fact I mentioned how it was obvious that there was different software on at least three review devices and that It is highly likely that software improvements will address the issues. Note - I am acknowledging that there are issues
Again, it's just a phone. If you are concerned it wont meet your expectations wait until it's been out for a while to see what happens; some people will love it, others will call it a flop.
Other top phones (SIII, etc.) aren't reviewed with pre-release software because they use an established version of Android, aka SIII shipping with ICS, whereas the Nexus 4 is shipping with a brand new version of Android, 4.2, which has not been as widely tested and established, and which Google is probably still working on. If 4.2 were completely ready today, the Nexus 4 would probably be released today, rather than the 13th.
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To me it is a matter of price. I'm stuck with Xperia mini, and I want to upgrade. At the same time the Nexus 4 is released, and it is insanely cheap, at least from foreign countries like Germany (which use the same power plug as Sweden). The price is what makes this phone so very interesting, if it weren't for that there would have been a lot of other phones in question. In Sweden the Nexus 4 isn't something out of the ordinary, when you can buy a Galaxy S3 for about the same price. But if I import this phone from Germany, I save about 150 euros, that is why I'm very interested.
The fact that it is a Nexus is positive, but not the main factor. I've read some bad reviews, but for this price, it isn't a dealbreaker. The same criticism at swedish prices would be a dealbreaker however.
Regards,
rodstrom
I need a new phone, I have always preferred vanilla android, and I've had two nexus phones before my current non-nexus phone.
I am ready to be back on a nexus phone, between the quick updates, and being free from a contract, the nexus 4 is extremely enticing, AND at an amazing pricepoint.
I agree with the OP on many counts. Even though I myself have had no problems with my GNex and felt that it was THE most beautiful phone I have owned (maybe second to the LG Prada), the whites were jaundiced and sickly looking. And even though kernels like Trinity fixed it to a certain extent, Google needs to realize one thing - the phone needs to be working without problems out of the box. I think what is happening is an over dependency on devs and a complacency thinking that people will overlook glitches in nexus devices because, hey! after all this is android. The devs can fix everything, right?!
A trend I am seeing with the N4 is that no matter what the issue is, many people go, 'well its just 350, so its ok'! No its not! Its not like we asked Google to make an inexpensive device, so they were compelled and thus had to resort to faulty and low quality hardware to cut costs. The price was their decision. I as a consumer want my phone problem free - $350 or $650
That said, I hope as much as the next guy that the problems so far are indeed related to pre-release firmwares and kernels. But then, it was absolutely ridiculous and insane of Google to send those devices for review. Might as well have no reviews than have tons of negative ones. Sure, people here on XDA are 'techy' enough to know that the test firmware is not final and most of the issues might be wrinkled out by release date. But a common man sees the review and goes 'oh crap! i don't want a headache, lemme just get something that everyone says works i.e. iPhone'.
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