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This is why benchmarks are not everything!!!

The hummingbird chipset always use to beat the snapdragon S2 chipset in 3D graphics performance. In short the powerVR SGX 540 was considered significantly better than the adreno 205.
But I have seen phones with the S2 chipset which just run games better than nexus S. Even the sony phones with 512MB ram manage to run GTA3 and temple run totally smooth without any mods or hacks just all stock. Whereas nexus S cant without doing all sorts of tweaking.
I suppose game devs dont support the hummingbird chipset well which is really surprising given how well the galaxy S performed in the market. Maybe samsung should actively work with devs? What is the point of creating the fastest GPU's if they dont get the support? There are some very graphically intensive games that run smoothly like asphalt 6 and 9mm HD so obviously the hardware is there.
I am disappoint with nexus S gaming support.

Gambler_3 said:
The hummingbird chipset always use to beat the snapdragon S2 chipset in 3D graphics performance. In short the powerVR SGX 540 was considered significantly better than the adreno 205.
But I have seen phones with the S2 chipset which just run games better than nexus S. Even the sony phones with 512MB ram manage to run GTA3 and temple run totally smooth without any mods or hacks just all stock. Whereas nexus S cant without doing all sorts of tweaking.
I suppose game devs dont support the hummingbird chipset well which is really surprising given how well the galaxy S performed in the market. Maybe samsung should actively work with devs? What is the point of creating the fastest GPU's if they dont get the support? There are some very graphically intensive games that run smoothly like asphalt 6 and 9mm HD so obviously the hardware is there.
I am disappoint with nexus S gaming support.
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I most certainly agree with you. however, you must realise, the Nexus S is considered to be a developer's device, not a consumer device, designed for coding and easy hacking, not UX. if you want a consumer device, go look somewhere else.

Gambler_3 said:
The hummingbird chipset always use to beat the snapdragon S2 chipset in 3D graphics performance. In short the powerVR SGX 540 was considered significantly better than the adreno 205.
But I have seen phones with the S2 chipset which just run games better than nexus S. Even the sony phones with 512MB ram manage to run GTA3 and temple run totally smooth without any mods or hacks just all stock. Whereas nexus S cant without doing all sorts of tweaking.
I suppose game devs dont support the hummingbird chipset well which is really surprising given how well the galaxy S performed in the market. Maybe samsung should actively work with devs? What is the point of creating the fastest GPU's if they dont get the support? There are some very graphically intensive games that run smoothly like asphalt 6 and 9mm HD so obviously the hardware is there.
I am disappoint with nexus S gaming support.
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International s2 have exynoss processor that's even better on gnex cpu.. exynoss processor for me is the best.
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International s2 have exynoss processor that's even better on gnex cpu.. exynoss processor for me is the best.
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Gnex have TI OMAP 4460 CPU processor...
how it is compare to exynos SGSII???
For GPU many said that Mali-400MP SGSII is better than PowerVR SGX540 Gnex..
they said..I just have I9100T but dont have Gnex..So I cant compare..not a single of my friend use Gnex also..

Saw youtube videos where galaxy nexus was lagging in GTA 3 lol. Galaxy nexus isnt a weak phone, it's just not adequately armed for the massive 720p resolution. The galaxy S2 has WVGA resolution which is why it can still match pretty much any of the newer phones in 3D benchmarks. Having a lower resolution is a serious advantage for gaming smoothness. And that makes the case of the nexus S a bit more disappointing as it doesnt exactly have very high resolution even for its time.
For a real comparison I would suppose it would be better to compare S2 with sensation. The S2 beats it handily in benchmarks so it would be interesting to see if it translates to real world performance advantage.
As far as UI smoothness is concerned the nexus S is right among the smoothest single core phones I have used. The hardware is clearly very capable just that game support from devs seem to be lacking maybe because the snapdragon S2 is used in so many phones whereas the hummingbird is only used in 2 phones.

I think the OP is talking about the Quallcomm Snapdragon S2 chipset but not about the Galaxy S2 (Adreno 205 vs PowerVR 540SGX NOT Mali-400MP vs PowerVR 540SGX).
You took the discussion to the wrong side, i think...

RisinT96 said:
I think the OP is talking about the Quallcomm Snapdragon S2 chipset but not about the Galaxy S2 (Adreno 205 vs PowerVR 540SGX NOT Mali-400MP vs PowerVR 540SGX).
You took the discussion to the wrong side, i think...
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Haha well I just figured why the S2 and galaxy nexus were brought in the equation.
I wish we had real gaming benchmarks instead of synthetic. Yes I was comparing nexus S GPU with adreno 205.

Anyone think Samsung Should use Tegra?

Hi,
One thing I havent seen many people talk about is the fact that S3/2 and the Note lack the Tegra SoC. I Kknow Samsung likes to use their own Exynos, but sometimes I hate the fact that I cant run those THD games which admittedly many are quality games. And.in some cases like Riptide and Shadowgun you do get some extra eye-candy over the regular versions. This is one area were the HTC One X wins I think....the ability to play those high quality THD versions of the game. Im also sure you can root and use chainfire, but sometimes I wish the galaxy line would use the Tegra 3 and have the widest game compatibility. For me this is the biggest downside to what for me is.the perfect phone.
Anyone feel the same?
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I hear ya!!!
I really miss my Tegra goodness...
Many will say that by using this or using that you can make Tegra games run on non-tegra devices, and that's partially true, however true Tegra graphics are much better...
There are many shader effects missing on those non-tegra devices.
I would really love to see a Tegra based Note (even though I know that would never happen)...

Samsung does use tegra, i had a galaxy tab 10.1 and it ran like dog ****

bamboo12 said:
Samsung does use tegra, i had a galaxy tab 10.1 and it ran like dog ****
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Like most tegra 2 devices. I've used moto atrix, lg g2x, acer/toshiba tablets.
They just helping wuth androids biggest problem, fragmentation. This isnt a samsung processor issue, this is up to the developer. Think 360 vs ps3.
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Tegra processors are usually on the low-end of available options.
Eg/
SGS: Exynos 3110 = 170
Droid2 : OMAP 3630 = 160
NexusOne: QSD 8250 = 130
HTC prototype: Tegra APX 650 = 100
SGS 2: Exynos 4210 = 140
Sensation XL: QSD 8255= 130
Optimus 3D: OMAP 4330 = 120
Atrix 4G: Tegra2 = 100
SGS 3: Exynos 4412 = 130
*OMAP Skipped Generation* = N/A
Optimus 4X: Tegra3 = 110
OneS: Krait S4-dual = 100
By having early and direct access to their own manufacturing facility, Samsung can develop chips that are slightly faster than the competition and produce them at lower costs.
Apple tends to strongarm the market with early business deals and access to manufacturing facilities too, though not on Samsung's scale. Fortunately for Apple, they don't need the fastest, they need "good enough" at the cheapest price. Since iOS will run faster than Android, due to better and direct optimizations, Apple's offerings can consequently be even faster than Samsung's.

Say all you want about Tegra being on the low-end side, but when it comes to gaming graphics they simply blow the competition out of the water!
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Rayan said:
Say all you want about Tegra being on the low-end side, but when it comes to gaming graphics they simply blow the competition out of the water!
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I have not seen a side by side comparison but apart from the graphics, how many tegra games are really compelling? I have not seen a tegra game that made me wish i had a tegra device.
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I prefer Mali. So no.
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Rayan said:
Say all you want about Tegra being on the low-end side, but when it comes to gaming graphics they simply blow the competition out of the water!
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When it comes to the GPU, Nvidia are using competitive offerings.
For instance, the one in Tegra 1 (APX 650) was top-tier in its era, but not the best.
This is forgivable as they were new to the mobile market.
With the Tegra2, nVidia did offer a great chip.
It was about on-par/higher than the SGX540... but it was surpassed with the new drivers and higher clocked SGX540 from OMAP4470. And not to mention the quadcore Mali-400 (SGS2) that embarassed it.
With the Tegra3, there's nothing new.
They offer a gpu that was better than their competitors, but the competitors are rolling out their new gpu. Qualcomm with their new Adreno. Samsung with the T604. Omap with the SGX544mp4. In fact the new A5X gpu is superior to the Tegra3 gpu. Don't forget about the PS Vita either.
here's an interesting article: http://blog.laptopmag.com/tablet-chip-showdown-nvidia-tegra-3-vs-the-new-ipads-a5x
Soon, Tegra3 will be a "mid-entry" SoC, or even a "low-mid" one.
The only advantage the Tegra chips have is the TegraZone. Deeper integration of the software to the gpu, that's how nVidia levels the field.
So you are in fact incorrect. They don't blow the competition out of the water!
They fragment the competition, which I believe is wrong. I think that either nVidia must try harder (they're a friggin graphics company!!!) or that the TegraZone enhancements should be in the AOSP and give all competitors a chance to provide the best software (drivers producing, kernels processing, roms consuming) for their hardware.
With greater competition, the consumers win.

I'd rather have the better Exynos processor than some crappy Tegra games which I might show off once and then never play again...

pboesboes said:
I'd rather have the better Exynos processor than some crappy Tegra games which I might show off once and then never play again...
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+1,000,000 to this!
Tegra - no thank you!

bamboo12 said:
Samsung does use tegra, i had a galaxy tab 10.1 and it ran like dog ****
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That was Tegra 2. Tegra 3 on the HtC one x and Asus transformer prime flies.
So the myth that Tegra is slow has been shown by Tegra 3
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violentgoomba said:
I have not seen a side by side comparison but apart from the graphics, how many tegra games are really compelling? I have not seen a tegra game that made me wish i had a tegra device.
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Riptide GP...Samurai 2 THD, Shadowgun Tegra 3, Fruit Ninja THD, Bang bang racing Thd...i think are pretty good titles and offrr significant enhancements over the non thd versions.
I love my Note...but I do have to admit that a One X with the Tegra 3 has more game support and is faster.
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nvidia is a GFX Company. They'll pay for people develop stuff for their products.
Tegra 3 is inferior to the Mali 400 MP. Ask the developer to make a version of their game using all Mali 400MP Features.
Blame the developer not the GPU itself.

blue13x said:
Hi,
One thing I havent seen many people talk about is the fact that S3/2 and the Note lack the Tegra SoC. I Kknow Samsung likes to use their own Exynos, but sometimes I hate the fact that I cant run those THD games which admittedly many are quality games. And.in some cases like Riptide and Shadowgun you do get some extra eye-candy over the regular versions. This is one area were the HTC One X wins I think....the ability to play those high quality THD versions of the game. Im also sure you can root and use chainfire, but sometimes I wish the galaxy line would use the Tegra 3 and have the widest game compatibility. For me this is the biggest downside to what for me is.the perfect phone.
Anyone feel the same?
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A few Samsungs run Tegras - they have piss poor performance, abysmal video decoding capability, etc. See Tab 10.1 as an example - the tegra2 in that is a POS compared to Exynos4.
NVidia is always first to up the core count but always delivers poor performance per core.
Similarly, the Exynos 4412 smokes the Tegra 3 when total system performance is taken into account.
It's kind of odd that the SoC that comes from a company whose specialty is GPUs is the worst in terms of 2D video performance (codec support) and average at best for 3D.
On top of that they use some funky texture compression format not compatible with anything else unless you use Chainfire 3D.

mdrjr said:
Tegra 3 is inferior to the Mali 400 MP. Ask the developer to make a version of their game using all Mali 400MP Features.
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No. The gpu in the Tegra 3 is slightly superior to the quadcore Mali-400, not a huge stretch.
But each "generation" nVidia have been the the inferior products, especially in the graphics components (irony?). However, they offset this because they're first to market.
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That's exactly right.
Its about the entire offering software AND hardware optimization, not one without the other.
I rather have a 1GB RAM and Tegra2 rather than 2GB RAM and Exynos 4410... just as long as the software is optimized (for instance, lower-level API support using Qt and Mainline Linux.... compared to higher-order virtual engine running on a inferior kernel).

I think your arguments are all invalid. Especially on this forum.
Just install chainfire 3d pro and you can run all those THD games flawlessly and in real world performance mali blows tegra out of the sky.

tegra gets no love nowadays

Darfus said:
I think your arguments are all invalid. Especially on this forum.
Just install chainfire 3d pro and you can run all those THD games flawlessly and in real world performance mali blows tegra out of the sky.
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Even though Chainfire allow us to run Tegra games, it does not do a good job emulating the shader effects present in the actual games. Games look flat and dull compared to the original.
Cheers!
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Rayan said:
Even though Chainfire allow us to run Tegra games, it does not do a good job emulating the shader effects present in the actual games. Games look flat and dull compared to the original.
Cheers!
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Plus it requires rooting. I prefer the support right out of the box.
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Better GPU adreno 320 vs Power SGX 543 MP3 of iPhone 5

Hi friendns,
better GPU ? adreno 320 or power sgx 543 MP3 of iPhone 5?
The clock for core and total clock?
the iPhone 5 no mini lags very smonth ,nexus 4 little lag why?
Thanks!

Optimization
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IPhone also has lower resolution so it pushes fewer pixels and the os is different and very simple like bb10 or wp8.
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Gokh said:
Optimization
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^This. The N4 has the superior GPU but apps are very well optimised to take full advantage of iOS.
Ace42 said:
IPhone also has lower resolution so it pushes fewer pixels and the os is different and very simple like bb10 or wp8.
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Benchmarks (which include off-screen tests so resolution doesn't matter) have shown that the N4 has the superior GPU. As stated above it's more to do with the app/game optimisation than the devices themselves. I don't think he means on the homescreen because my N4 at the very least has never stuttered here, but on occasion it does in games.
EDIT: See posts below, apparently I was wrong

The GPU iPhone 5 running @ 266 mhz for core have 3 core totally mhz ?
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The GPU iPhone 5 running @ 266 mhz for core have 3 core totally mhz ?
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Huh?
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I find it's normally crappy qualcomm governors that make games lag/jitter on android.
here are some very simple to apply settings...
ondemand, down_differential 30, up_threshhold 70 .. smooths everything out, app scrolling, games.. great on battery too.
also try to use a kernel without 'thalamos or whatever hotplugging mpdecision replacement' or you get that jitter effect at the end of scrolling screens when it slows to a stop.

Adreno 320 is the faster GPU but apple had iOS optimized for its CPU and GPU hence why its more smooth on games than Android since not all apps are optimized for it each CPU and GPU. Except the Nvidia's tegra and some games that have it optimized for Tegra.

blahblah13233 said:
Adreno 320 is the faster GPU but apple had iOS optimized for its CPU and GPU hence why its more smooth on games than Android since not all apps are optimized for it each CPU and GPU. Except the Nvidia's tegra and some games that have it optimized for Tegra.
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Don't be silly Imaginations makes the best GPUs, the SGX normally trump the competition. It's important to note the SGX 6 aka Rogue is suppose to come out some time and it will be the proper competition for Tegra 4 & Adreno 330.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review/2
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6426/ipad-4-gpu-performance-analyzed-powervr-sgx-554mp4-under-the-hood

Ace42 said:
Don't be silly Imaginations makes the best GPUs, the SGX normally trump the competition. It's important to note the SGX 6 aka Rogue is suppose to come out some time and it will be the proper competition for Tegra 4 & Adreno 330.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review/2
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6426/ipad-4-gpu-performance-analyzed-powervr-sgx-554mp4-under-the-hood
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Evidently I was wrong in my earlier post. However, I'm certain I remember seeing some benchmarks which favoured the N4 on YouTube, perhaps they were done on a custom ROM/Kernel or something.

Try enabling "force GPU rendering" in developer options.
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probabily in 5s seem gpu s4 power sgx 554 mp4 the best at moment
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Can the gs4 play xbox 360 games?

The snapdragon is a 600 series with 4 cores that's more then xbox which uses only a 3 core cpu.. And is much much older then the snapdragon 600 plus the ati graphics card of 512mb in xbox 360 is garbage to the snapdragon 600 and it 2gigs of ram. The gs4 beats hands down the xbox360 in all specs sooooooo can I run 360 games on it?? I can't think of anything in the xbox360 that the snapdragon 600 in gs4 won't be able to handle the only thing that comes remotely close is the surrounded system 5.1 dolby digital dts I know for a fact snapdragon can't do that but I think that's about it on all front the gs4 blows the xbox 360 in all specs and hardware so when shall we start the emulation....
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Hope this was a joke. The sd600 is no where near xbox 360
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Mod, close this thread please
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gabrielpina4 said:
The snapdragon is a 600 series with 4 cores that's more then xbox which uses only a 3 core cpu.. And is much much older then the snapdragon 600 plus the ati graphics card of 512mb in xbox 360 is garbage to the snapdragon 600 and it 2gigs of ram. The gs4 beats hands down the xbox360 in all specs sooooooo can I run 360 games on it?? I can't think of anything in the xbox360 that the snapdragon 600 in gs4 won't be able to handle the only thing that comes remotely close is the surrounded system 5.1 dolby digital dts I know for a fact snapdragon can't do that but I think that's about it on all front the gs4 blows the xbox 360 in all specs and hardware so when shall we start the emulation....
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The Snapdragon 600 can't even beat Intel's Core 2 Duo series, and you want it to beat Xbox 360?

gabrielpina4 said:
The snapdragon is a 600 series with 4 cores that's more then xbox which uses only a 3 core cpu.. And is much much older then the snapdragon 600 plus the ati graphics card of 512mb in xbox 360 is garbage to the snapdragon 600 and it 2gigs of ram. The gs4 beats hands down the xbox360 in all specs sooooooo can I run 360 games on it?? I can't think of anything in the xbox360 that the snapdragon 600 in gs4 won't be able to handle the only thing that comes remotely close is the surrounded system 5.1 dolby digital dts I know for a fact snapdragon can't do that but I think that's about it on all front the gs4 blows the xbox 360 in all specs and hardware so when shall we start the emulation....
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You've made my day hahahha LMAO

Mobile processors, especially tablets, are approaching the 360 in raw power (but not there yet), but emulating it is a completely different story. Emulation means simulating hardware through software, which is an extremely intensive task. You need a processor that's about *100* times as powerful as what you're trying to emulate. So check back in a decade or two...

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I've read you need hardware that's 10x more powerful. We had perfect psx emulation on older android phones. I know they were not 100x more powerful. I see Xbox 360 emulators running on android in another 5 years
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We need a much better gpu for an Xbox 360 emulator
For the most part a 360 has weak hardware....but that's cause its not really multi tasking, its built for multimedia mainly games...so they just put in a killer gpu -at least based on my understanding
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Whats the point of emulation when the battery can only last your phone through the intro? Haha
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Livebyte said:
The Snapdragon 600 can't even beat Intel's Core 2 Duo series, and you want it to beat Xbox 360?
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Almost every Core 2 Duo is miles faster than a 360....
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Of course you can! My note 2 runs PS4 and Wii-U games like a charm /bigfatlie.
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This is the best thread ever created.
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snapple232 said:
Mobile processors, especially tablets, are approaching the 360 in raw power (but not there yet), but emulating it is a completely different story. Emulation means simulating hardware through software, which is an extremely intensive task. You need a processor that's about *100* times as powerful as what you're trying to emulate. So check back in a decade or two...
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This ^ but probably about 5 years.
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I thought april fool's day was last monday? Maybe the OP has his own april fool's week.

Is there literally nothing better than the SGS4 LMAO.... This thread has really made my day!!!
I heard from my mates uncles hamster who's an underground technical guru that the SGS4 can play god... yes it's that good!

slapdaddy said:
This ^ but probably about 5 years.
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No chance.... 15 - 20 years, even longer for a phone.
It's not just the CPU you're emulating, but the GPU, and that is going to be extremely tough going.

No... Just no.. 1) like someone else said you'd need to emulate the gpu. 2) you'd be emulating the ENTIRE cpu. Xbox360's CPU is PowerPC based. Plus it has 3 cores/6 threads. More threads than the quad snapdragon does.
So it'll be pretty much impossible.
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Can the GS4 play X-Box games? HECK YES! The GS4 will be the most powerful device on this planet! It's a gaming console on its own! BEST OF THE BEST! GREATEST THING EVER MADE!
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how Good is the GPU of This Phone?

i want to know how good is the GPU of this phone is better than ADRENO 320?

darkhelio said:
i want to know how good is the GPU of this phone is better than ADRENO 320?
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which version are you referring to? quad 19505 s4 does have adreno 320 but i believe it is slightly overclocked, so it has higher frequency and much better in gaming. As for 19500 s4, it has PowerVR 544mp3. so both of them are good but only optimization can tell whether they can run smoothly or no.

darkhelio said:
i want to know how good is the GPU of this phone is better than ADRENO 320?
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The PowerVR of the i9500 is pretty much par with the Adreno 320 (overclocked) of the i9505.
Either way, it'll be more than enough to blast through modern cell phone games.

ChronoReverse said:
The PowerVR of the i9500 is pretty much par with the Adreno 320 (overclocked) of the i9505.
Either way, it'll be more than enough to blast through modern cell phone games.
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Exactly! Just leave this to Samsung since they are the one who will contact game devs to do optimization with Adreno 320 and PowerVR 544mp3 .

mohawk888 said:
Exactly! Just leave this to Samsung since they are the one who will contact game devs to do optimization with Adreno 320 and PowerVR 544mp3 .
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yes but the ADreno 320 have more future Proof and the VR GPU is more old than the Adreno...

ChronoReverse said:
The PowerVR of the i9500 is pretty much par with the Adreno 320 (overclocked) of the i9505.
Either way, it'll be more than enough to blast through modern cell phone games.
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It's on par for now because apps are still using opengl ES 2.0. Once apps start using opengl ES 3.0 the powervr is going to be lagging far behind, I am thinking especially about emulators such as dolphin where the move is planned and would allow the emulator to gain almost 10fps on average. Otherwise as far as day to day use goes both gpus act about the same.
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mathieulh said:
It's on par for now because apps are still using opengl ES 2.0. Once apps start using opengl ES 3.0 the powervr is going to be lagging far behind, I am thinking especially about emulators such as dolphin where the move is planned and would allow the emulator to gain almost 10fps on average. Otherwise as far as day to day use goes both gpus act about the same.
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Yes but don't say it too often or you'll get all these monkeys on your back