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AT&T Galaxy Tab

I am on AT&T for the main reason that I travel frequently to Europe and Asia (Japan, Hong Kong) and it's the carrier who happens to have devices with 3G bands compatible nearly worldwide (Even though I don't like so much the price AT&T is costing me...)
So... really considering now to switch to the Galaxy tab and say good bye to my good old TP2 (heavily overclocked so still with a bit of life in it !)
I have a few questions
1. there are rumors here and there saying the Tab for AT&T wont have the front facing camera (And then some other places where it's listed as a spec of the AT&T tab). Anybody can confirm / infirm this ? (Would be really pissed to pay such a price for the device if it has been castrated)
2. AT&T is the last US carrier not to have announced a launch date for the tab... (Maybe it's willing to be a bit nice to Apple and its recently commercialized iPad, or maybe it's just an old and slow company...). Pure speculation: is there a chance we'll be able to switch the tab bands from T-Mobile like some have successfully done with other Samsung phones from the galaxy family ?
3. Another pure speculation: has Samsung actually disabled the hardware for voice calls on the US versions ? I hope his will be solved by flashing another firmware. Otherwise I'll just end up buying an international version (Which will be much more expensive...)

You can get the unlocked north american version which should be out by next week. It will cost you an arm and a leg but WILL work with the 850/1900 at&t 3g bands. Here are a few sites that have it:
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=26929
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http://negrielectronics.com/samsung-p1000-galaxy-tab-3g-850-1900-2100-oem-unlocked.html
Hope this helps.

Raspster said:
You can get the unlocked north american version which should be out by next week. It will cost you an arm and a leg but WILL work with the 850/1900 at&t 3g bands. Here are a few sites that have it:
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=26929
or
http://negrielectronics.com/samsung-p1000-galaxy-tab-3g-850-1900-2100-oem-unlocked.html
Hope this helps.
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Thanks. Yes these bands are AT&T ones. Though waiting a few more weeks should allow to get it directly from AT&T at a lower price...
The good news is, if the websites are correct about the specs, the front facing camera is there (And I doubt Samsung will make a different Tab)
Seem to imply the voice call work to (negrielectronics) but it could be a mistake or a trick (works only through skype...) or just simple taht we are talking about an overseas model with the right 3G bands

Alcibiade said:
Thanks. Yes these bands are AT&T ones. Though waiting a few more weeks should allow to get it directly from AT&T at a lower price...
The good news is, if the websites are correct about the specs, the front facing camera is there (And I doubt Samsung will make a different Tab)
Seem to imply the voice call work to (negrielectronics) but it could be a mistake or a trick (works only through skype...) or just simple taht we are talking about an overseas model with the right 3G bands
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What concerns me are the comments that suggest US carriers will somehow restrict their service to GT so only data will work (no voice). So that raises the question for those of us who get the unlocked version - how do we get our Gt on to ATT or others? I guess I'm asking which ATT phone is it close enough to that I can acuire and swap the SIM card?

Alcibiade said:
Thanks. Yes these bands are AT&T ones. Though waiting a few more weeks should allow to get it directly from AT&T at a lower price...
The good news is, if the websites are correct about the specs, the front facing camera is there (And I doubt Samsung will make a different Tab)
Seem to imply the voice call work to (negrielectronics) but it could be a mistake or a trick (works only through skype...) or just simple taht we are talking about an overseas model with the right 3G bands
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Well, from what I hear is the 850/1900 band version will be an unlocked north amaerican version which can work with rogers (Canada) and at&t for the US by just adding your SIM card in. It is unknow weather the at&t network will identify the galaxy tab and change your plan accordingly if that is even how it will work with at&t. I beleive they WILL have a different plan for data for this device as T-Mobile, Sprint and Verizon are following this. Also, the at&t version WILL be a different model in appreance and features as this unlocked one will not. Probablly because at&t WILL remove the front camera and who knows what else (thanks to the iphone). That is why the samsung site has not put the at&t version on their site yet. really do hope it will be treated as a PDA phone thru at&t's network (for the unlocked version)

Raspster said:
You can get the unlocked north american version which should be out by next week. It will cost you an arm and a leg but WILL work with the 850/1900 at&t 3g bands. Here are a few sites that have it:
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=26929
or
http://negrielectronics.com/samsung-p1000-galaxy-tab-3g-850-1900-2100-oem-unlocked.html
Hope this helps.
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I just heard today from Negri electronic that this version of the tab will not be available until JANUARY ...so don't bother pre-ordering it.

clubtech said:
I just heard today from Negri electronic that this version of the tab will not be available until JANUARY ...so don't bother pre-ordering it.
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That's funny as they told me last Friday that the warehouse in CA is expecting them on November 10th. Also, I work near the mobile city online store in NYC and stopped in there and they said this week they would have them. hmmm
UPDATE: Just sent a message to my contact @ Nergi. He said they just received the notice that this version of the tab will not be in till early 2011. You were right clubtech... Was hoping you were wrong.. lol That sucks!

Mmh all I have been reading so far sucks

Figured I would fire up this thread and bump it up as Bell is releasing the Galaxy Tab on November 12th. That will be our solution for the 850/1900 3G version I guess..? I sent a message to Nergi to see if they will have this version. I'll keep you posted.

I have my G-Tab now (Euro version with phone and data working great on AT&T in USA) Be glad to answer questions. General comment: I LOVE it! The form factor and wt are just right for me and it has all the features I miss on my iPad. Only criticism is that I find Android a bit less stable than IOS but that might be what Gingerbread or Honeycomb will address.

brucewilsonpa said:
I have my G-Tab now (Euro version with phone and data working great on AT&T in USA) Be glad to answer questions. General comment: I LOVE it! The form factor and wt are just right for me and it has all the features I miss on my iPad. Only criticism is that I find Android a bit less stable than IOS but that might be what Gingerbread or Honeycomb will address.
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Are you getting good 3g coverage? I see your in PA... Close to me. I know the 1900 band does blanket this area to some degree but the 850 band is alot stronger. I think I may wait for a full 3g band with both 850/1900 bands. Seems like the bell version will be the answer to that. Glad to hear you love the device.

I read that the bell version can't make any phone calls fyi .
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Raspster said:
Are you getting good 3g coverage? I see your in PA... Close to me. I know the 1900 band does blanket this area to some degree but the 850 band is alot stronger. I think I may wait for a full 3g band with both 850/1900 bands. Seems like the bell version will be the answer to that. Glad to hear you love the device.
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Yes the 3g coverage is fine in the Reading area (better than my iphone, not sure why) I made decision to go for the Eur version when it became apparent the ATT version would be limited to data (no phone) and I couldn't get an answer on whether the "North American" version (with 850 UMTS) would arrive with phone capability OK. I saw a map of ATT 1900 coverage and saw that it takes care of at least 75% of the US, including virtuall all of the East, so I'm comfortable with my decision.

Raspster said:
Figured I would fire up this thread and bump it up as Bell is releasing the Galaxy Tab on November 12th. That will be our solution for the 850/1900 3G version I guess..? I sent a message to Nergi to see if they will have this version. I'll keep you posted.
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Yes that's my hope. It's also probably a sign the AT&T one must be around the corner
I could not find out whether the Bell one would have call functions or not (That would be another great sign or opportunity)

clubtech said:
I read that the bell version can't make any phone calls fyi .
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Is it a confirmed information ?

Thanks for the info

[SUCCESS!!] AT&T Note 2 can run International N7105 firmware!!!

[UPDATE:] Confirmed to work!
Without going into too much detail here (you can check out the full post in the AT&T Note II dev section here), my theory described below does in fact work as I postulated. However, it doesn't seem to work when using PC Odin (Mobile Odin may be a different story).
The basic process goes something like this though:
1. Download CWM/TWRP flashable stock N7105 firmware here.
2. Download the AT&T/Rogers modem from here.
3. Use custom recovery to flash the N7105 firmware. Confirmed to work with TWRP and CWM.
4. Flash the modem.
5. Profit!
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So, correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding of the differences between the international N7100 and the AT&T Note 2 (whatever model number that ends up being), is that the AT&T version has an LTE modem compatible with 700/1700 mhz LTE, but apart from that, the rest of the device is exactly the same as the international version. In other words, they are both Exynos devices with separate LTE chips, unlike the first generation where the international unlocked Note was an Exynos device, and the AT&T version was a Qualcomm device for LTE compatibility.
So, with that in mind, what's the betting that the international firmware is 100% compatible with the AT&T Note 2 (minus the modem)? Kinda like how the original Galaxy Tab 7" international firmware was 100% compatible with AT&T's re-branded Galaxy Tab.
So, what I'm really hoping is possible, is to be able to flash the firmware for the International/Unlocked Note 2 (no AT&T bloatware, plus quicker updates), and then flash the modem.bin from the AT&T firmware (so that LTE will work). Best of all worlds! International firmware AND LTE?
Normally I buy imports, because they're usually better in general. However, if what I mention above is possible, I wouldn't really mind owning an AT&T branded Note 2, while rocking an international/unlocked frankenfirmware.
What do you guys think? Is this a sound theory? Or am I just hoping for the impossible...
Ultimately, I'm just looking forward to the day that OEM's begin making unlocked multi-band LTE devices with compatibility for both Europe and America/Canada (and Asia). But that may never happen...
EDIT: The following is a response from another thread which more clearly illustrates what I hope we can accomplish here.
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so you CAN run a international rom then just flash a at&t modem?
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I'm not sure yet. That's why I started that other thread. It's my theory and hope that you can flash international firmware onto (some) of the domestic North American Note 2's (including Canadian versions).
Just as an example, and I think I may have briefly touched on this in the other thread, take a look at the original Galaxy Tab (7 inch).
The international version of that device, available everywhere else around the world, was able to function as a GSM phone right out of the box.
The domestic carrier versions of the same device did not offer phone functionality at all, and were basically locked down, pay-as-you-go only, data-only, worthless (but expensive) pieces of crap! Unfortunately, if you had a CDMA version (Sprint, Verizon, US Cellular, etc.), you were totally out of luck, because the chipsets were different (or at least the modem firmware), and not compatible with the international firmware. However, the GSM US models were an exception, especially the AT&T version, and here's why:
With the very slight exception of the T-Mobile version (which used a custom UMTS modem for its own 1700mhz AWS band), the North American GSM Galaxy Tab's had -exactly- the same hardware, transistor for transistor. As such, if you bought an AT&T branded Tab (as I did), and you didn't like your carrier dictating to you what features you could or couldn't have on your device (which I didn't), you could give them a big fat middle finger by simply flashing the international firmware in all its unlocked feature-full glory.
With the T-Mobile version, it was slightly different due to the custom modem. If you simply flashed the international firmware and just left it at that, phone functionality would work fine, but you wouldn't have 3G functionality (because the international firmware didn't support 1700mhz AWS), so you'd be stuck on EDGE. However, if you wanted 3G, all you had to do was use Mobile Odin to flash the T-Mobile specific modem.bin, and off you went (minus working phone functionality). You had to flip flop between two modems, depending on your needs, but it was an OK workaround.
So anyway, this all gets me back to the Note 2 of today. As I mention in the other thread, seeing as how the North American Note 2's are almost identical to their international counterparts, with the major exceptions being the radio hardware and modem firmware, shouldn't it then be possible to get international firmware working on a domestic version?
The first step would be to see if you could even flash international firmware onto a domestic Note 2 and get the thing to even boot up.
Assuming that's possible, and say you have limited cellular functionality (if any at all!), with perhaps only WiFi working or something, then the next step would be to extract the modem.bin from the carrier-specific firmware, and then flash that over the international firmware.
Hopefully, theoretically, that should get you up and running!
So to break it down, here's what I would plan to do:
WARNING!!! The following is just an idea for an experiment! Unless you know what you are doing, and are curious about testing this for yourself, DO NOT perform these steps unless you want a nice new brick!
I plan to use an AT&T Note 2 due to the fact that it bears the closest hardware resemblance to the international N7105. The only difference between the two, afaik, are the LTE radios and firmware.
1. Obtain firmware image of AT&T Note 2, probably from somewhere like Sammobile.
2. Extract modem.bin from carrier firmware and create CWM flashable .zip
3. Use Odin to flash stock N7105 international firmware.
4. Assuming step 3 works, and you're able to boot up fully, it's likely that most (if not all) wireless connectivity will not be working. WiFi might still work. So, if we make it to this step, the next step would be use the Note 2 Toolkit to root and flash CWM recovery.
5. Once CWM is installed, flash the custom .zip with the AT&T modem.bin inside of it.
6. Assuming this all works, profit! You now have an international N7105 Note 2, with all the development support of the international community, no AT&T bloatware, and working domestic LTE!
At least, that's the hope...
Please, developers, I'd like your input on this if you think this seems legit, or if it's even possible.

Chances are, you will have to root to do that... If you root then why bother? More than likely you will get the updates from here and don't have to worry about it...

Tidbits said:
Chances are, you will have to root to do that... If you root then why bother? More than likely you will get the updates from here and don't have to worry about it...
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I always root. I have never owned an Android device that I haven't rooted.
Besides, going the root method, and then deleting bloat can get messy. I prefer to just start with a clean slate in the first place, hence the int'l firmware flash.

This is what I'm leaning/hoping for as well. I like tbr support of international note better than the att note but the s3 changed it... plus if both get lte I bet the international would be better at turning on/lte when needed
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Above all else, I'm hoping that this will bring the development community together more than anything else. I mean, historically it's been, you have the international (rest of the world) development, and then you have the North American development. Inevitably, the international development has been WAY bigger and received WAY more community support.
With any luck, if the AT&T and international version of the Note 2 differ only in their modem hardware, their firmware (and thus development) should be interchangeable! That would be awesome!

whats the lte situation with gs3? its probably the same with note
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whats the lte situation with gs3? its probably the same with note
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never mind, the domestic gs3 has dual core snapdragon, just checked

ONLY advantage of getting Itl version to me is I get my grubby hands on it a month or so earlier...depending on when Sprint drops.

Right when I'm about to give up, I find this thread and know that there was a person who's in the same interest as I am.
I started another thread days ago asking about this, but it's not of the major interests in the forum seemingly.
Anyway, with much more info we have now compared to when it was Spet, do we have more or less hope in this possibility? If it is a viable operation, getting T-mobile's Note II is even a better idea because it's more versatile band-wise, given that people believe that T889 supports AT&T's UMTS bands as well as AT&T's LTE bands. Of course, this doesn't matter if you are gonna use AT&T majorly and wants the subsidized price from ATT.
Hopefully we can keep this thread alive and wait to see if anyone's gonna be able to flash N7100 rom on to i-317. Actually, since T889 is on sale now already, someone might be trying to do this on the TMO's version of Note 2!

We need to keep this thread alive very interesting op . I to was wondering if this possible if so thats worth a nice donation to whoever figures it out first.
Apple needs to take 2 take Notes!

Uhhh, the N7100 doesn't even have an LTE antenna...
That's the N7105..

exparanoia said:
Uhhh, the N7100 doesn't even have an LTE antenna...
That's the N7105..
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Very tasteful perception and insight.

exparanoia said:
Uhhh, the N7100 doesn't even have an LTE antenna...
That's the N7105..
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Read my OP more carefully... I know/own the N7100 doesn't have LTE, and I know/don't own the N7105 is the one with the LTE hardware.
My whole point with this thread wasn't to see whether flashing N7100 firmware onto a domestic GSM/LTE would work or not.
The point was to see if flashing N7105 firmware was possible, and then separately flashing the proper modem.bin from a domestic GSM/LTE would possibly get it fully functional.
Effectively, theoretically, hopefully, this would be like having an unlocked N7105 with domestic North American GSM/LTE support.
Zero carrier bloat and 100% international dev support.
As far as anyone can really tell at this point (correct me if I'm wrong), all versions of the Note 2, whether GSM/HSPA+, GSM/LTE, or CDMA/LTE, are all identical to each other from a hardware standpoint, with the exceptions of their radios. As such, from a software/firmware standpoint, theoretically all different firmware builds should be interchangeable from one device to another; the only thing that you would have to flash separately as an additional step, is the modem.bin specific to whichever device you happen to have.

I was also told so. But as I dig deeper, I discovered another hardware difference. Looks like domestic (US) note 2's do not have pre-installed wireless charging pins. It might seem to be minor difference but i think it means a lot. Because I assume wireless charging requires software support, and you can see in that wireless charging DIY thread, when you put a modified N7100 onto charger, the OS pops up wireless charging confirmation. If domestic Note 2's do not have this pre-installed pin, it's very likely that they are not natively supporting Wireless Charging feature, and that should require some modification to the OS.

Yes they do have wireless charging pins.
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The att note will have the awful awful carrier logo in the notification bar that the International version thankfully doesn't have. That's reason enough for me.
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Yes they do have wireless charging pins.
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Not any of the two Sprint version I've seen so far.

This one does but it's a T-Mobile version.
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LTE needs a LTE chip to be functional. It's not something software can handle.
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Leechoonhwee said:
LTE needs a LTE chip to be functional. It's not something software can handle.
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Yes I know that. You're missing the point. Read the first post again carefully.

*bump* Anyone with further insights?

N900t vs n900w8 difference

Hey guys,
so I live in Canada and the note 3 model available here is the n900w8 which is approximately 700 plus tax. But I can get the N900t unlocked for $650 tax included.
I tried to Google if both phones work on the same frequencies and as far as I can tell, both phones have the exact same specs.
My question is will the N900t work on all the Canadian networks like the n900w8 or will there be compatibility issues? which model should I get?
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That I can tell there is a difference in the LTE bands between the 2 models so if you want to run rogers you need the n900w8. If using wind looks like the t mobile will work but wind does not have lte. If you want to be able to hop back and forth between different Canadian carriers better off with the n900w8 it would seem, I am looking at exactly the same situation by the way.

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That I can tell there is a difference in the LTE bands between the 2 models so if you want to run rogers you need the n900w8. If using wind looks like the t mobile will work but wind does not have lte. If you want to be able to hop back and forth between different Canadian carriers better off with the n900w8 it would seem, I am looking at exactly the same situation by the way.
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Thanks for the reply, I already went ahead and bought the T-Mobile one, I doubt I'll be switching to Rogers or bell as their prices are ridiculous, I was struck in a contract with those guys for years and will never go back.
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Doing some more research the n9008w may require different radios if you changing from wind to rogers etc and also looks like the 900t from t mobile can be made to work with either wind, rogers, etc but again will need to root, add different radios etc. Currently I use Fido with a note 1 ATT and Rodgers is throttling the network as last year I could get 40mb on LTE now down to 10MB, it seems Wind will give 20mb on 3g and Rodgers or Fido wont gaurentee anything better so it doesnt matter if its on 3g or LTE its still going to likely be 20mb speed anyway. Most sites cannot give you faster downloads anyway so paying more is pointless, it only benefits the service provider.

Telus LTE
knotes said:
Thanks for the reply, I already went ahead and bought the T-Mobile one, I doubt I'll be switching to Rogers or bell as their prices are ridiculous, I was struck in a contract with those guys for years and will never go back.
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Yea LTE is the only difference.
I have the N900W8 from Telus and it works with Wind and mobilicity
but only on 4G
Of course when i insert a rogers telus bell or other carrier sim i can still retain my LTE cuz that is what my model is.
I have an old legacy with TELUS but I still pay 72 after tax. I still keep unlimited this and that and 6GB data.
This new 2 YEAR plan thing is a load of bs.

TMobile VS International Note 4 (Like Note 3 or S5?)

When the Note 3 was released there was a pretty big difference between the two phones that initially made flashing roms from International on TMobile - wifi wouldn't work intially - internal SD Card was wiped frequently on flashing and a bunch of other issues made flashing International ROMS on TMOBILE phones difficult at first. (this was fixed later but it took a while)
The S5 was a lot different - I am not a technician or Developer by any means - but as a novice looking in - it almost seemed like International and Tmobile mobile note 3's were almost entirely different phones - whereas the S5's were almost identical.
I realize I maybe oversimplifying this - but doing so to make a point. I am very curious about what will happen with the Note 4. I doubt if there is any way to know until both phones are out and Devs start creating roms - but I wonder if the NOTE 4 will be more like it was with the NOTE 3 or will they be more like it was with the S5 ? Samsung will never listen to me but I think you know how I would vote -
looking forward to the NEXT BIG THING....

Not sure if you look at gsmarena or phonescoop, but kind of like the GN3, GS3 etc. The GN4 US variant has Q-com Snapdragon CPU, Int'l has Exynos (sp?) So some hardware is similar.
But T-mo variants vs other,like before T-mo rom has wifi call capability. Others do not.

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Not sure if you look at gsmarena or phonescoop, but kind of like the GN3, GS3 etc. The GN4 US variant has Q-com Snapdragon CPU, Int'l has Exynos (sp?) So some hardware is similar.
But T-mo variants vs other,like before T-mo rom has wifi call capability. Others do not.
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Sprint also has wifi calling

papabear said:
Not sure if you look at gsmarena or phonescoop, but kind of like the GN3, GS3 etc. The GN4 US variant has Q-com Snapdragon CPU, Int'l has Exynos (sp?) So some hardware is similar.
But T-mo variants vs other,like before T-mo rom has wifi call capability. Others do not.
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I realize that WIFI Calling is a major difference between international and TMOBILE - but I was more interested in the file structure of the phone and how wifi - or data works - not sure the reason, but it originally was difficult to flash International ROMS on the TMOBILE Note 3 - data wifi didn't work - data didn't work - and often the Internal SD card was wiped. When the S5 was released, the phones were so similar none of these problems happened. I was flashing International ROMS in the first day or two that the S5 was released.
I am not a dev so I can't speak to the reasons why it was this way on the NOte 3 - but except for the obvious differences (wifi Calling for example) I am only hoping that the Note 4 is more like it was with the S5 than it was with the note 3.

Lets make sure first that Tmobile keep its bootloader unlocked!

kinda like papabear was saying, i believe the S5 international vs US both had snapdragon, which made them very compatible. the GN3 had exynos/snapdragon, and that made them quite different. exynos didn't have near as much development.
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6033&idPhone2=6434

The GS4 was really good with cross compatibility. The T-Mo and i9505 variants were very similar, both had the same CPU, etc. You could flash the same ROMs but not radios/modems or bootloaders. My concern is if the International Note 4 will work with T-Mo LTE since it doesn't have the 1700 band.

Dont forget about band 12.

Do we know If the international version N910F supportd Tmobile LTE? I think I saw a video on phonedog and the Josh was using an international version with a tmo sim card.
Any confirmation?

daraj said:
Do we know If the international version N910F supportd Tmobile LTE? I think I saw a video on phonedog and the Josh was using an international version with a tmo sim card.
Any confirmation?
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Notice how the symbol says 4G and not 4G LTE

Kawaisa said:
Notice how the symbol says 4G and not 4G LTE
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As far as I know, on the international models it doesnt say 4G LTE . It displays either LTE or 4G next to the reception bars.

mocsab said:
I realize that WIFI Calling is a major difference between international and TMOBILE - but I was more interested in the file structure of the phone and how wifi - or data works - not sure the reason, but it originally was difficult to flash International ROMS on the TMOBILE Note 3 - data wifi didn't work - data didn't work - and often the Internal SD card was wiped. When the S5 was released, the phones were so similar none of these problems happened. I was flashing International ROMS in the first day or two that the S5 was released.
I am not a dev so I can't speak to the reasons why it was this way on the NOte 3 - but except for the obvious differences (wifi Calling for example) I am only hoping that the Note 4 is more like it was with the S5 than it was with the note 3.
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I haven't used Samsung phone for a while, but from past experience I'm pretty sure that you only need to flash appropriate radio/kernel to get data and WiFi working again. just my 2 cents.
I've got my eyes on the note 4 and thinking about getting one to play with, I have Nexus 5 and Nexus 7 2013, yeah, I know I'm a Nexus junkie

Lancez said:
I haven't used Samsung phone for a while, but from past experience I'm pretty sure that you only need to flash appropriate radio/kernel to get data and WiFi working again. just my 2 cents.
I've got my eyes on the note 4 and thinking about getting one to play with, I have Nexus 5 and Nexus 7 2013, yeah, I know I'm a Nexus junkie
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That actually wasn't true with the NOTE 3 which is the main reason I did this thread in the first place. When the NOTE 3 was released, if you flashed an INTERNATIONAL ROM WIFI and DATA and blue tooth did not work at all. Someone eventually came up with a fix which had to be flashed anytime you flashed an international rom - I don't know why this was necessary - it just was - it was almost as if there was some major difference in file structure and programming on the International version versus the TMOBILE or Canadian Version.
The S5 wasn't like that at all - Virtually every International ROM worked beautifully from the get go on TMOBLILE phones. So - the NOTE 3 must have had something that was done differently on International Versions of the phone compared to TMOBILE and Canadian Versions - and I am hopeful that THE NOTE 4 doesn't do that.
So - I am excited about the Note 4 - can't wait for it to be released - I know all of our questions will be answered then - looking forward to it!

Bubbled said:
kinda like papabear was saying, i believe the S5 international vs US both had snapdragon, which made them very compatible. the GN3 had exynos/snapdragon, and that made them quite different. exynos didn't have near as much development.
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6033&idPhone2=6434
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Exynos doesn't have anything to do this. ALL of these phones come in both versions - Snapdragon and Exnynos - the note 3, S5 and NOte 4 each have both variations.
anyone on a tmobile snapdragon note 3 had problems with wifi and data when trying to flash roms from the international snapdragon phones Note 3.... I honestly don't know why the NOTE 3 had this issue and the S5 didn't - but it doesn't have anything to do with Exynos - but fingers crossed that the NOTE 4 behaves more like the S5 than the Note 3 in this regard - it will make flashing much easier.
(PS - there is no evidence that TMOBILE will lock bootloader. ATT and Verizon will for sure - both have said as much - every phone ATT and VERIZON releases are locked (except the developer version on Verizon) but TMOBILE has not given any indication they will be locking the bootloader - I don't expect they will lock the bootloader on the note 4 - we will find out for sure in a few weeks...

mocsab said:
That actually wasn't true with the NOTE 3 which is the main reason I did this thread in the first place. When the NOTE 3 was released, if you flashed an INTERNATIONAL ROM WIFI and DATA and blue tooth did not work at all. Someone eventually came up with a fix which had to be flashed anytime you flashed an international rom - I don't know why this was necessary - it just was - it was almost as if there was some major difference in file structure and programming on the International version versus the TMOBILE or Canadian Version.
The S5 wasn't like that at all - Virtually every International ROM worked beautifully from the get go on TMOBLILE phones. So - the NOTE 3 must have had something that was done differently on International Versions of the phone compared to TMOBILE and Canadian Versions - and I am hopeful that THE NOTE 4 doesn't do that.
So - I am excited about the Note 4 - can't wait for it to be released - I know all of our questions will be answered then - looking forward to it!
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If odin is still the tool to flash samsung official ROM, then you should be able to choose what to flash and what not to. well, i might be wrong but thats how i did on AT&T Captivate, Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Nexus. I remember that i've been switching between international and US version ROMs with just ROM without flashing any radios. Samsung may changed ROM structure, that I have no idea. And Sale is still sending all the samsung ROMs to me whenever he made one:victory:

Going to give a international a try.. this will be my first international device. .
This the one to get? Lte will work on usa tmobile right?Samsung Galaxy Note 4 SM-N910 Factory Unlocked International Model by samsung http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N2Y5ALK/ref=cm_sw_r_udp_awd_oUSmub0HH4M79

Lancez said:
If odin is still the tool to flash samsung official ROM, then you should be able to choose what to flash and what not to. well, i might be wrong but thats how i did on AT&T Captivate, Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Nexus. I remember that i've been switching between international and US version ROMs with just ROM without flashing any radios. Samsung may changed ROM structure, that I have no idea. And Sale is still sending all the samsung ROMs to me whenever he made one:victory:
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Like you had said, you haven't had sammy devices in a while. Lol, things have changed with the note varients my friend, its not that "easy" anymore. How can you be debating with people who actually own the note 3 and was flashing international roms? lol

mgbotoe said:
Like you had said, you haven't had sammy devices in a while. Lol, things have changed with the note varients my friend, its not that "easy" anymore. How can you be debating with people who actually own the note 3 and was flashing international roms? lol
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That was discussion my friend. and PDA is not the only option in odin.

markysd said:
Going to give a international a try.. this will be my first international device. .
This the one to get? Lte will work on usa tmobile right?Samsung Galaxy Note 4 SM-N910 Factory Unlocked International Model by samsung http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N2Y5ALK/ref=cm_sw_r_udp_awd_oUSmub0HH4M79
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What do you hope to get by going with an international phone? It certainly won't have the optimum frequencies for tmobile network, it will likely work but they are opening new frequencies that the tmobile note 4 will be the first take advantage of...

p()()pypants said:
What do you hope to get by going with an international phone? It certainly won't have the optimum frequencies for tmobile network, it will likely work but they are opening new frequencies that the tmobile note 4 will be the first take advantage of...
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Dont care much about the frequency. . Lte and 4g is fast my aera. . No need for wifi calling also.. I want the exynos octo

s7 edge tmobile or international version?

Hi Guys,
Im in a little dilemma, I purchased the S7 G935T and it is coming in tomorrow. So I've been reading a lot about the phone and the known stuff about the bootloader and what not. So should I just return it(Costing $800+) and get the international version (G935F costing $700 on ebay)? I know Samsung Pay will not work and I really don't care about that that much. I mean it's something cool but not a die for feature. I really want the video calling feature that tmobile offer on these higher smartphones though. Are there any other features that the tmobile version might have over the international version? I tried to look but couldn't find much. If I get the international version, that means I can root the phone install custom roms and have less to no bloatwares. Let me know what are the Pros/Cons of getting the international version. Thanks

I struggled with this too, but ultimately it came down to needing Band 12 compatibility. Won't get that with international variant.
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YankInDaSouth said:
I struggled with this too, but ultimately it came down to needing Band 12 compatibility. Won't get that with international variant.
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Can you tell me more about the 12 band compatibility? Is it just so that VoLTE can work? What other functionalities does this support? Also how is your s7 heat problem? I've been reading a lot about the overheating problem with the SD820

rpham said:
Can you tell me more about the 12 band compatibility? Is it just so that VoLTE can work? What other functionalities does this support? Also how is your s7 heat problem? I've been reading a lot about the overheating problem with the SD820
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B12 is basically a lower frequency signal so it penetrates buildings better. It also allows you to have LTE available while on a call.
Can't comment on the heat as I just my S7E this afternoon. It did get warm during initial setup, but every phone does ...
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YankInDaSouth said:
B12 is basically a lower frequency signal so it penetrates buildings better. It also allows you to have LTE available while on a call.
Can't comment on the heat as I just my S7E this afternoon. It did get warm during initial setup, but every phone does ...
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I actually just saw this on for the international version? Is this true?
"UPDATE: 2016/03/31 5:07PM PDT
The previous deal is sold out, but a new one popped up at the same price from another seller (232tech).
In the event your Galaxy S7 pre-order has been delayed, you can just cancel that sucker. As with the S7 Edge, the regular Galaxy S7 has appeared on eBay in its unlocked form. For $599.99, you can get the SM-G930F with support for most GSM/LTE networks. That's about $100 cheaper than the full price GS7 on US carriers.
Importantly, this is an international phone. That means it has an Exynos 8 SoC instead of the Snapdragon 820 in US models. The LTE bands should be great, though. It even has band 12 for T-Mobile. 3G is missing Tmo's band 4, but you'll be fine on HSPA+ data in areas where T-Mobile runs 1900MHz."

I might get the G935F since this thread says it has 12 band
http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/how-to/detailed-sm-g935-s7-info-t3326180

Interesting ... I wonder if Band 12 will actually work though. I had the Moto X Pure Edition that had to wait for T-mobile to certify (or something) the device before B12 would work. Seeing how that one would likely have different model numbers than those T-mobile sells, band 12 may not work out of the box.
I am no expert by any means, so I could be wrong ...
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Man so little information, I CAN'T DECIDE!!!!! lol. Need more digging because if I get the ebay one then I won't open the tmobile that will be arriving tomorrow since they say the refund should be faster if it's unopened, or else it takes 2 business cycle = 60days for the refund.

I'm on the fence as well. I know I can add VoLTE with my own modifications. I'd also like to port the video calling in dialer. WiFi calling would be nice also but isn't a deal breaker for me. Band 12 is on all variants I believe but is just disabled. Since the international is modifiable, I'd assume there is a way to enable it.
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Rydah805 said:
I'm on the fence as well. I know I can add VoLTE with my own modifications. I'd also like to port the video calling in dialer. WiFi calling would be nice also but isn't a deal breaker for me. Band 12 is on all variants I believe but is just disabled. Since the international is modifiable, I'd assume there is a way to enable it.
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Read from c#23 onward, it seems to work but not VoLTE, wifi calling, and samsung pay. Im still digging to see if it's worth it to get the international version.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmobile-galaxy-s7/help/using-sm-g930f-t-mobile-t3335753/page3

There are at least 2 variants of band 12, 3 if I'm not mistaken. Does t TMob use 12b? And does t the int'l version use band 12a and 12c?

There is a possible alternative to 935F.
That is the Chinese released 9350, which is a snapdragon like the TMo, and it might be possible to flash TMo firmware on it after unlocking the bootloader (don't know if this would work or if that would re-lock the bootloader ). Hoping someone with the appropriate skill set would comment on this or even give it a try.
Believe these are available on eBay also.

Dang, from these comments, maybe I should keep the tmobile version?

rpham said:
Dang, from these comments, maybe I should keep the tmobile version?
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That's what I would recommend. I have been rooting/tinkering for years and although I've had this phone a very short time, aside from ad blocking I honestly see no need to root this phone.
Of course that's subject to change in a matter of weeks, days or months LOL
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I actually just returned my tmobile one. Im looking to get the s7 canadian model. Heard it is the same bands as the one from Tmobile or has all the bands that works with tmobile. I'll let you guys know in a couple of weeks.

rpham said:
I actually just returned my tmobile one. Im looking to get the s7 canadian model. Heard it is the same bands as the one from Tmobile or has all the bands that works with tmobile. I'll let you guys know in a couple of weeks.
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Just because it has band 12 out of the box, I'm not so sure it means that it'll be supported by T-Mobile. Again, I use the Moto X Pure Edition as an example, Motorola said that the device would support band 12, but it wasn't until the device went through T-Mobile's certication process and an OTA update that we saw Band 12 on the X. (And even still it's not working right - if VoLTE is enabled phones calls are choppy)
Like I said earlier, I am by no means an expert and can very likely be wrong (Heck I actually hope I'm wrong!)
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YankInDaSouth said:
Just because it has band 12 out of the box, I'm not so sure it means that it'll be supported by T-Mobile. Again, I use the Moto X Pure Edition as an example, Motorola said that the device would support band 12, but it wasn't until the device went through T-Mobile's certication process and an OTA update that we saw Band 12 on the X. (And even still it's not working right - if VoLTE is enabled phones calls are choppy)
Like I said earlier, I am by no means an expert and can very likely be wrong (Heck I actually hope I'm wrong!)
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So from all the digging/comments here all I see is that VoLTE, Wifi Calling, and Samsung pay will not work on the S7 Edge G935F (International Version) and G935W8 (Canadian Version, a little more compatible with US Tmobile). I think this is fine with me because I am using the 5S right now and don't ever have a need for those. But we will see, I am still digging to see if all that are worth it over the Exynos. Which again, I don't have right now so I don't see why just get the Exynos

So just an update, I purchased a S7 Edge g935f. I am using it on Tmobile and also just rooted it. Anyone needs to know anything just give it a shout.

Keep us posted as to the coverage your getting... Also, can you download LTE Discovery and see if you ever get Band 12.
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rpham said:
So just an update, I purchased a S7 Edge g935f. I am using it on Tmobile and also just rooted it. Anyone needs to know anything just give it a shout.
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Thought you were getting the Canadian version ?