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I just saw that Geekbuying is selling the Tronsmart T428 quad core tv stick for only $99 w/ free shipping.
This based on the newest quad core chipset by rockchip, the RK3188 with 2GB of Ram. It should be a real winner.
I just ordered one and should have a review up in a week or 2.
Specs:
-Rockchip RK3188 quad core Cortex-A9 up to 1.8GHz(Probably underclocked 1.2-1.6ghz)
-quad core Mali-400 MP4 @ 533MHz
-2GB DDR3 @ 1333MHz
-8GB NAND Flash
-micro SD slot
-Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n/ac
-Bluetooth – BT4.0
-Full size USB port
-micro USB for power
-Male HDMI 1.4 port
-reset button
-5V/2A usb power adapter
Order from here:
http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Tron...188-2G-DDR3-Wifi-Bluetooth-TV-BOX-314524.html
Info on geekbuying's blog:
http://blog.geekbuying.com/index.ph...428-quad-core-mini-pc-stock-firmware-release/
http://blog.geekbuying.com/index.ph...428the-first-rk3188-quad-core-mini-pc-coming/
PCB pics on geekbuying blog:
http://blog.geekbuying.com/index.ph...428the-first-rk3188-quad-core-mini-pc-coming/
Other links:
www.cnx-software.com/2013/04/17/tronsmart-t428-android-4-2-2-mini-pc-powered-by-rockchip-rk3188/
www.liliputing.com/2013/04/tronsmart-t428-tv-stick-with-rk3188-android-4-2-now-available.html
I wanna buy it but it takes too long to get here in USA. I don't wanna deal with custom and all the hassles.
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I've been looking forward to this one since the announcement last month.
As usual shipping from china takes some time. However in the USA there isn't much problems with customs.
I've ordered plenty of stuff via Hong Kong of Singapore shipping and at worst have only had to go to the post office to pick it up.
I ordererd with DHL, but I also ordered some other items to make it worth the extra cost.
Plus it costs me $10 to get to the post office and back so express shipping just makes sense to me.
I'm sure these will show up on ebay in about a month for $10-$20 more with a usa seller.
That's the way these things usually go.
Other then this one, what has been the better one to buy?
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Other then this one, what has been the better one to buy?
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The current stick with the most support, roms, and development would be the original MK808.
It's based on the RK3066 dual core with 1GB ram and 8GB nand. This is considered last generation hardware.
I love/hate this stick. It uses the RK901 wifi which has signal drop problems and maxes out at 65Mbps.
It's also one of the few android sticks with a heatsink which allows it to operate at over 1.2Ghz without issues.
It can be had for under $45 shipped. I own several of these.
I just received news that another RK3188 stick is being released.
The MK908 - upgraded version of the MK808 series.
-Rk3188
-2GB ram
-8GB nand
-Wifi b/g/n
-Bluetooth 4.0
-1 full size usb port
-1 mini usb port OTG
-1 mini usb port for power
-female mini hdmi port
-hidden reset button
From what I can tell the main difference between the MK908 and the T428 is the wifi, the casing, the mini hdmi port, and the extra OTG mini usb port.
The MK908 does not support 5Ghz like the T428 is supposed to.
The MK908 does have an extra mini usb port with OTG support.
The MK908 has a female mini hdmi port instead of a male full size hdmi connector.
There's also a price difference. MK908 is $89 vs the T428 at $99.
It's a good deal if you don't need/want 5Ghz wifi.
I also ordered one of these so I should be able to provide a review when it comes.
Purchase Link:
http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Tron...x-RK3188-Quad-Core-2G-8G-BT-Black-315155.html
Info Link:
http://blog.geekbuying.com/index.ph...3188-quad-core-mini-pc-tv-box-release-review/
Sorry for the noob question but how does this work exactly?
Edit: Never mind I finally found an explanation on Google.
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Can you put ubuntu on one of these?
hajalie24 said:
Can you put ubuntu on one of these?
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As of right now you can't put ubuntu onto the rk3188 devices.
There is no kernel source released or leaked. Hopefully we'll get some kernel source like we did for the rk3066
It may be possible to do ubuntu the old way with a vnc viewer, but I won't know until I get my sticks delievered.
I'm willing to be the guinea pig for any testing that needs to be done once I have these speed demons in my hands.
deadhp1 said:
As of right now you can't put ubuntu onto the rk3188 devices.
There is no kernel source released or leaked. Hopefully we'll get some kernel source like we did for the rk3066
It may be possible to do ubuntu the old way with a vnc viewer, but I won't know until I get my sticks delievered.
I'm willing to be the guinea pig for any testing that needs to be done once I have these speed demons in my hands.
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What type of controller would you recommend for one of these sticks?
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What type of controller would you recommend for one of these sticks?
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The controller at the top of my list is the Logitech K400. I like the position of the extra mouse button on the opposite side from the touchpad.
It's a bit big though.
I've also had success using the Rii Mini, and the Measy RC12.
I'm using that K400 keyboard and it works great. It has about 90% functionality in Android. Now about this Quad stick. I'd stay away from the thing or any Media box/stick unless you can mod it with a heat sink at least .. TV boxes get pushed more then a smartphone does and while these CPU's run cool enough in a smartphone and tablet, not so much in a Media box. I have the Promethius and it didn't have a heat sink. Playing Angry Birds or any 3D game caused it to lock up. I added a heat sink and it worked fine but ran really hot even at stock clocks. Now that I've moded my box with a tall heat sink and fan, this is no longer the problem and It runs super cool, even overclocked to 1.3GHz. These products are being made half ass. Be warned !
SovereignKnight said:
I'm using that K400 keyboard and it works great. It has about 90% functionality in Android. Now about this Quad stick. I'd stay away from the thing or any Media box/stick unless you can mod it with a heat sink at least .. TV boxes get pushed more then a smartphone does and while these CPU's run cool enough in a smartphone and tablet, not so much in a Media box. I have the Promethius and it didn't have a heat sink. Playing Angry Birds or any 3D game caused it to lock up. I added a heat sink and it worked fine but ran really hot even at stock clocks. Now that I've moded my box with a tall heat sink and fan, this is no longer the problem and It runs super cool, even overclocked to 1.3GHz. These products are being made half ass. Be warned !
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Both the T428 and the MK908 have heatsinks. So no worries on that end!
The Prometheus really needed a heatsink as did the original UG802.
Anyhow I'm expecting delivery by Tuesday so hopefully I'll have preliminary reviews up by Wednesday.
I'm really looking forward to it!
I've got one of the mk908's en route as well.
One rub though already: rk3188 is full 1080p, 3d and dual screen capable but this stick is shipping as 720p native.
I'm bouncing emails with geekbuying now to see what the deal is.
I just found this http://www.shenzhenpc2u.com/2013/04/here-comes-android-4-2-rk3188-quad-core-1080p-dlna-tv-stick-ug802b/ which has the same specs but lists 1080p native and ac3/dts decoding. only difference seems to be android 4.2 hopefully the mk908 will get the goods when the roll out the 4.2 upgrade... fingers crossed
_sadpanda said:
I've got one of the mk908's en route as well.
One rub though already: rk3188 is full 1080p, 3d and dual screen capable but this stick is shipping as 720p native.
I'm bouncing emails with geekbuying now to see what the deal is.
I just found this http://www.shenzhenpc2u.com/2013/04/here-comes-android-4-2-rk3188-quad-core-1080p-dlna-tv-stick-ug802b/ which has the same specs but lists 1080p native and ac3/dts decoding. only difference seems to be android 4.2 hopefully the mk908 will get the goods when the roll out the 4.2 upgrade... fingers crossed
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I received both the T428 and the MK908 last night. So I've started the review process and should have something up within the next day or 2.
The link you provided for the UG802B has screen shots showing that it also is running at 1280x672.
From what I've seen with the RK3066 kernels it's just a matter of selecting 1080p when they compile the kernel.
So any of these devices should be able to support native 1080p if the manufacturer compiles a kernel for it.
The real trick for rockchip would be for them to finally figure out how to enable real switching of resolutions. They generally make these chips for tablets that have set screen sizes so they haven't gotten that down yet.
I got this response from geek buying :
Hello there,
the future will achieve 1080P.
We will get ROM as soon as possible.
regards
Amy
So I guess we shall see
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I got mine today it only took like 4 days pretty damn fast shipping by DHL.
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I've posted up my reviews for the T428 and the MK908.
T428:
http://www.armtvtech.com/armtvtechforum/viewtopic.php?f=207&t=1994
MK908:
http://www.armtvtech.com/armtvtechforum/viewtopic.php?f=405&t=1995
Miracast
Hi, are you able to test the miracast functionality with a phone?
deadhp1 said:
I've posted up my reviews for the T428 and the MK908.
T428:
http://www.armtvtech.com/armtvtechforum/viewtopic.php?f=207&t=1994
MK908:
http://www.armtvtech.com/armtvtechforum/viewtopic.php?f=405&t=1995
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cddt said:
Hi, are you able to test the miracast functionality with a phone?
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I've never used miracast before, so I've been trying to set it up with my phablet.
I know that the T428 has support for it, I just don't seem to be able to connect properly with my phablet.
The T428 says connected, my phablet sticks at connecting...
In other news I've uploaded the stock 4.2.2 firmware for the T428.
http://www.armtvtech.com/armtvtechforum/viewforum.php?f=208
I'm in the process of making a slightly modified version of this that will have root and a 2GB data partition.
I may included some other tweaks.
Thanks for trying, let me know if you have any luck.
I'll try with my nexus 4 when I get mine delivered.
deadhp1 said:
I've never used miracast before, so I've been trying to set it up with my phablet.
I know that the T428 has support for it, I just don't seem to be able to connect properly with my phablet.
The T428 says connected, my phablet sticks at connecting...
In other news I've uploaded the stock 4.2.2 firmware for the T428.
http://www.armtvtech.com/armtvtechforum/viewforum.php?f=208
I'm in the process of making a slightly modified version of this that will have root and a 2GB data partition.
I may included some other tweaks.
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Hi everyone,
I have a MK808 but I need something that can have gigabit ethernet and USB 3.0. I'm now using a HTPC at home and I have gigabit network at home, so falling back to 10/100 on USB2.0 is not something I like. Same for HDD speeds.
Would there be anything in the market with USB3.0 and GigEth and/or e-Sata etc? I heard about Samsung HomeSync but it seems not available yet (and pretty expensive!)
fastguy said:
Hi everyone,
I have a MK808 but I need something that can have gigabit ethernet and USB 3.0. I'm now using a HTPC at home and I have gigabit network at home, so falling back to 10/100 on USB2.0 is not something I like. Same for HDD speeds.
Would there be anything in the market with USB3.0 and GigEth and/or e-Sata etc? I heard about Samsung HomeSync but it seems not available yet (and pretty expensive!)
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there's no cheap(ish) SoC with usb3 or native gigabit 3 support at this moment, you'll have to wait at least 2014 for the next generation.
probably your best option will be the new wave of bay trail minipc that will get out next year.
Yeah, looks like. The two boards that came to my sight are the Arndale and Odroid-XU. Odroid-XU is interesting. Both have USB3.0 ports so can accomodate a gigeth and USB3.0 disk. Arndale also seems to carry a sata interface... Both are pretty expensive, but Odroid-XU is tempting
fastguy said:
Yeah, looks like. The two boards that came to my sight are the Arndale and Odroid-XU. Odroid-XU is interesting. Both have USB3.0 ports so can accomodate a gigeth and USB3.0 disk. Arndale also seems to carry a sata interface... Both are pretty expensive, but Odroid-XU is tempting
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check http://cubieboard.org/tag/cubietruck/ it has native sata and gigabit ethernet - cpu is a bit underpowered (allwinner a20, more or less on par with your mk808) but as those interface arent built over usb2 they should perform nicely.
this too has to be released but it should be nearly ready and pretty cheap, with good linux support if needed.
Thanks. Interesting indeed. However I think we need to check if this CPU really has the sata data lines or if it is bridged through some USB 2.0 bus.
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fastguy said:
Thanks. Interesting indeed. However I think we need to check if this CPU really has the sata data lines or if it is bridged through some USB 2.0 bus.
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from a20 datasheet:
● GMAC
–Comply with the IEEE 802.3-2002 standard
–Programmable frame length to support Standard
or Jumbo Ethernet frames with size up to 16KB
–Support 10/100/1000Mbps data transfer rates
RGMII interface to communicate with an external
Gigabit PHY
● SATA
–One SATA Host controller
–Support SATA 1.5Gb/s and SATA 3.0Gb/s
–Comply with SATA spec 2.6
–Support external SATA(eSATA)
allwinner a31 got the gbit interface but its missing sata interface, rockchip soc are missing both.
So I add the cubbieboard to the mix as well. I'm not sure if these carry SPDIF output though for optical DTS & AC3 5.1 sound.
I also saw the Utilite. It has dual gigeth, DVI and HDMI outputs. It also has mSATA and SPDIF. Based on Freescale i.Mx6 A9 1.2ghz. But it does not have USB3.0, it's a pity In this case, I would need to make some hole in the case to take out the mSATA port as a SATA port and maybe connect it to some external HDD station.
with amazon continue need to block root and a locked bootloader. I was wondering how many of you dont want to deal with the cat and mouse game and just get a Nexus Player instead.
http://www.google.com/intl/all/nexus/player/
Nexus Player
Processor: 1.8GHz Quad Core, Intel® Atom™
Imagination PowerVR Series 6 Graphics 2D/3D Engine
Wireless: 802.11ac 2x2 (MIMO)
Memory: 1GB
Storage: 8GB
Bluetooth: 4.1
Output Resolution: 1920×1080 at 60fps
USB: Micro USB Port
Ethernet Port: NONE
Fire TV
Processor: Qualcomm Krait 300, quad-core to 1.7 Ghz
Qualcomm Adreno 320
Wireless: Supports 802.11a/b/g/n
Memory: 2GB
Storeage: 8GB
Bluetooth: 4.0
Output Resoultion: 720p and 1080p up to 60fps
USB: USB Port
Ethernet Port: 10/100
mejdam said:
with amazon continue need to block root and a locked bootloader. I was wondering how many of you dont want to deal with the cat and mouse game and just get a Nexus Player instead.
http://www.google.com/intl/all/nexus/player/
Nexus Player
Processor: 1.8GHz Quad Core, Intel® Atom™
Imagination PowerVR Series 6 Graphics 2D/3D Engine
Wireless: 802.11ac 2x2 (MIMO)
Memory: 1GB
Storage: 8GB
Bluetooth: 4.1
Output Resolution: 1920×1080 at 60fps
USB: Micro USB Port
Ethernet Port: NONE
Fire TV
Processor: Qualcomm Krait 300, quad-core to 1.7 Ghz
Qualcomm Adreno 320
Wireless: Supports 802.11a/b/g/n
Memory: 2GB
Storeage: 8GB
Bluetooth: 4.0
Output Resoultion: 720p and 1080p up to 60fps
USB: USB Port
Ethernet Port: 10/100
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You can be 100% sure this thing will be locked down just as hard as the Fire TV. Just look at the Chromecast.
Time will Tell
I'm curious to see how the nexus player develops
but right now I'm satisfied with the firetv I got XBMC on there and all my repos
so right now I'm good
I agreed, It probably locked bootloader and unless Google changed their mind letting us have a unlock bootloader = addicted flasher custom ROM. I might email some google developers and see what their response regard the bootloader status.
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You can be 100% sure this thing will be locked down just as hard as the Fire TV. Just look at the Chromecast.
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While the idea of a stock google variation interface is appealing, the less ram, lack of hardwire ethernet and even less buttons on remote make it a significantly less attractive candidate IMO for XBMC, I'll stay with my fire TV (especially since I'm lucky enough to have 3 of them with root and CWM already w/blocked updates)
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You can be 100% sure this thing will be locked down just as hard as the Fire TV. Just look at the Chromecast.
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100% sure? Google TV and Chrome products have been locked down. ChromeBook and Chromecast. This device is called a Nexus, and i cant name one Nexus device that is locked down. Even my nexus q was easily unlocked!!! Even though i can see them locking the device i disagree with the level of certainty you have (100%)
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While the idea of a stock google variation interface is appealing, the less ram, lack of hardwire ethernet and even less buttons on remote make it a significantly less attractive candidate IMO for XBMC, I'll stay with my fire TV (especially since I'm lucky enough to have 3 of them with root and CWM already w/blocked updates)
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Less Ram: Good point, but one of the android forums mention this wont be a problem with the intel chip. Time will tell.
lack of hardwire ethernet: the fire tv has FastEthernet which is limited by 100, Wireless N gives fastethernet a run for its money and this device supports AC. Way faster than fastethernet.
I will be giving it a shot I think. Need an extra unit for the bedroom TV anyway. Will wait to see if it is rootable first though I think
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Fire TV:2GB of RAM
Fine and dandy,but qualcomm sux for Reicast and Dolphin Emulator.
Also reboots when heavy 3D "three js" games are played. (it was an HD 3D racing game in three js)
New Google:1GB RAM
Not enough RAM so,it sux (if more than FTV original price),nuff said.
Graphics unknown status by Dolphin Emulator devs,does it handle Reicast?
What use is x86 for Wine to run Windows programs like PJ64 when you have a crappy limit of 1GB RAM?
Where is Google's Android TV with Nvidia Tegra K1 people were promised?
retroben said:
Fire TV:2GB of RAM
Fine and dandy,but qualcomm sux for Reicast and Dolphin Emulator.
Also reboots when heavy 3D "three js" games are played. (it was an HD 3D racing game in three js)
New Google:1GB RAM
Not enough RAM so,it sux (if more than FTV original price),nuff said.
Graphics unknown status by Dolphin Emulator devs,does it handle Reicast?
What use is x86 for Wine to run Windows programs like PJ64 when you have a crappy limit of 1GB RAM?
Where is Google's Android TV with Nvidia Tegra K1 people were promised?
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This is only one device released by google, nvidia could release their own android tv device along with htc, samsung, acer, asus, motorla, hisense.... Etc... Even though i doubt nvidia will release a box since they already sell an nvidia shield tablet (which doesnt support dts pass through). Even though im sticking with my firetv i am interested to see others join. Especially if this pushes amazon to properly support vc1, 24p, 4k, dts-hd/truehd, 802.11ac.
I don't think you guys are remembering exactly what "Nexus" means. It means do whatever you want to the device.
Yes the Nexus 7 was locked but they made it easy to unlock for us to mod. The whole nexus line is the play ground line if you want to mod and have fun with your device.
I for one am going to be jumping ship because quite frankly, Amazon has, and always will be, absolutely garbage when it comes to making anything interface related. Their app sucks, their web interface sucks, their amazon fire TV interface sucks, everything they design is garbage when it comes to UI.
I've had a blast with this device but with them locking it down...no bueno.
As per the wireless worry, it's 5GHz AC. If you're doing anything that's going to be able to tax THAT, having an ethernet cable isn't going to save you.
Ehh if its update blocked and rooted... Then its not locked down,right
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Ehh if its update blocked and rooted... Then its not locked down,right
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Not exactly. Bootloader is still locked.
Despite my hatred of the small RAM size...
Since Nexus Player is x86 and it has an Intel Atom chipset,does that mean it utilizes the Houdini processing for running arm apps in the x86 architecture?
Still sucks because of crappy limit of RAM.
I saw that the price is going to be $99 like the Fire TV's original price.
Make a 2GB RAM version of Nexus Player for an extra $20.00 to make it more appealing.
Heck,replace them all with 2GB RAM for only $10.00 more cost.
retroben said:
Despite my hatred of the small RAM size...
Since Nexus Player is x86 and it has an Intel Atom chipset,does that mean it utilizes the Houdini processing for running arm apps in the x86 architecture?
Still sucks because of crappy limit of RAM.
I saw that the price is going to be $99 like the Fire TV's original price.
Make a 2GB RAM version of Nexus Player for an extra $20.00 to make it more appealing.
Heck,replace them all with 2GB RAM for only $10.00 more cost.
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1 GB is fine. Unlike phones we wont be multi-tasking as much. The Nexus Player will mostly only worry about the active application which is why 1 GB will be fine. As for the CPU its an Inel Atom which has been shown to run as fast as a Snapdragon 801, for comparison sakes the FireTV uses a Snapdragon 600.
Its not exciting enough for me to jump over to it. My AFTV is doing everything i need right now, not to mention the lack of ethernet is a deal breaker. Unless wireless AC has come down quite a bit in the last few months, Im not ready to make that move.
Will have to wait and see how the Nexus Player performs. But one major drawback I see already is the limited storage just like FireTV but no true USB socket. Why would i want to mess with a OTG cable even before having to deal with a USB Hub or just a USB device. MicroUSB on a phone is fine. But on one of of this devices is stingy. The Nexus Player is going to have to really WOW me to get me over the lack of a regular USB socket.
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Will have to wait and see how the Nexus Player performs. But one major drawback I see already is the limited storage just like FireTV but no true USB socket. Why would i want to mess with a OTG cable even before having to deal with a USB Hub or just a USB device. MicroUSB on a phone is fine. But on one of of this devices is stingy. The Nexus Player is going to really WOW me get me over the lack of a regular USB socket.
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the specs are really irrelevant, this is the first entry into the android TV market (besides the ADT-1) sure, this box is specd a tad low and surely isnt going to be an enthusiasts dream machine, but im sure we arent going to see google release anything else anyways, what i do think well see is all the manufacturers incorporating android TV into their own players in the very near future (think a high specs "Samsung Galaxy Player" or something like "Sony Xperia Player") and if google is successful with their play services like music and video on demand like im sure they will be i think within the next year or so many TVs and things will be running android TV on them also. should be an exciting year for people who like android stb setups. they kinda failed before with googleTV or whatever it was but i think the timing is right this time and "android TV" is going to be the next big thing for internet media on demand lovers everywhere.
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the specs are really irrelevant, this is the first entry into the android TV market (besides the ADT-1) sure, this box is specd a tad low and surely isnt going to be an enthusiasts dream machine, but im sure we arent going to see google release anything else anyways, what i do think well see is all the manufacturers incorporating android TV into their own players in the very near future (think a high specs "Samsung Galaxy Player" or something like "Sony Xperia Player") and if google is successful with their play services like music and video on demand like im sure they will be i think within the next year or so many TVs and things will be running android TV on them also. should be an exciting year for people who like android stb setups. they kinda failed before with googleTV or whatever it was but i think the timing is right this time and "android TV" is going to be the next big thing for internet media on demand lovers everywhere.
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Would love to see one with OTA Antenna & PVR built in. Would be the perfect machine. For now a rooted FireTV will be the best for the price.
I'll wait for the actual user reviews to start showing up before I make a final decision, but at this point I'm leaning toward no. The biggest drawback to the FireTV for me is lack of storage. 8G is just not enough, I will not buy another FTV game until an official firmware update includes support for USB drives. Just a wild guess, but I suspect the Nexus Player has this same limitation. I'm willing to wait a bit longer and pay a bit more for a different Android TV box with better specs and hardware support.
Click on See All Features & Specs: https://www.android.com/phones/pixel/
Having UFS 2.0 storage is going to make this phone behave like a proper flagship. Slow filesystem performance has been my main complaint with Nexus phones and my Pixel C up to this point. This should go a long way towards improving the user experience.
Edit: The Pixel phones also have USB 3.1 Gen 1 (formerly called USB 3.0), meaning that file transfers are possibly going to be significantly faster. Those of us on XDA will be very happy about this, as transferring files to and from the phone will most likely be a lot faster now.
I am excited about this!
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Click on See All Features & Specs: https://www.android.com/phones/pixel/
Having UFS 2.0 storage is going to make this phone behave like a proper flagship. Slow filesystem performance has been my main complaint with Nexus phones and my Pixel C up to this point. This should go a long way towards improving the user experience.
Edit: The Pixel phones also have USB 3.1 Gen 1 (formerly called USB 3.0), meaning that file transfers are possibly going to be significantly faster. Those of us on XDA will be very happy about this, as transferring files to and from the phone will most likely be a lot faster now.
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I've always looked over the Samsung fence in awe of their UFS, very glad this made the cut. Now to try and find a USB C 3.1 retrofit for my PC :/
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I've always looked over the Samsung fence in awe of their UFS, very glad this made the cut. Now to try and find a USB C 3.1 retrofit for my PC :/
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Here you go: http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124165
Also just remember, too. USB 3.1 Gen 1 is just the new name for USB 3.0. Both are 5 Gbps. If you have a USB 3.0 port, you have USB 3.1 Gen 1. That card I linked is a Gen 2, which supports the 10 Gbps speed.
oRAirwolf said:
Here you go: http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124165
Also just remember, too. USB 3.1 Gen 1 is just the new name for USB 3.0. Both are 5 Gbps. If you have a USB 3.0 port, you have USB 3.1 Gen 1. That card I linked is a Gen 2, which supports the 10 Gbps speed.
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Thanks, but I only have a Mini ITX with a GTX 1080 filling its ONE PCI Port
Good point about Gen 1, I don't think even UFS will max out a 5Gbps bus though. What I'm really after is USB C PD in a computer which is going to be costly and require a lot of new bits methinks.
Hoodeddeathman said:
Thanks, but I only have a Mini ITX with a GTX 1080 filling its ONE PCI Port
Good point about Gen 1, I don't think even UFS will max out a 5Gbps bus though. What I'm really after is USB C PD in a computer which is going to be costly and require a lot of new bits methinks.
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Yeah that's a whole other ball of wax. I wonder if there is a USB PD power injector kind of like they have for PoE. If not, there's your million dollar idea
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Yeah that's a whole other ball of wax. I wonder if there is a USB PD power injector kind of like they have for PoE. If not, there's your million dollar idea
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Asus has a unit that fits in a 5.25 slot (another luxury my tiny computer case doesn't have) that connects to some wacky connector that looks like 4 sata slots as well as 2 12v molex that can do USB PD but what do you know, you need a specific motherboard that costs the world.
Most of the new Z170 chipset motherboards have the gen 2 usb c slot.
I know mine does.
Mine does too.
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You need SATA express and molex/sata power to get USB C PD on your front panel, I don't think the embedded Mobo ports can push out 30W.
Here's a great post with more info and a video on UFS2.0 vs EMMC5.1 found in the 6P
https://plus.google.com/+RohanBlake/posts/Y3e74jsQTaZ
So, does anyone found strange what's in the specs:
In box
USB Type-C™ 18W adaptor with USB-PD
A-C cable (USB 3.0)
C-C cable (USB 2.0)
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C-C cable is only USB 2.0 ?!? What the heck?!? Why would they choose this?!
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So, does anyone found strange what's in the specs:
C-C cable is only USB 2.0 ?!? What the heck?!? Why would they choose this?!
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Cheaper cable for charging only I suppose. 3.0 C cables are much thicker.
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So, does anyone found strange what's in the specs:
C-C cable is only USB 2.0 ?!? What the heck?!? Why would they choose this?!
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Most people don't have a PC that has a type C port, so no need to waste cash on a 3.0. Also, I don't know of any LONG length type C cables that even support 3.0+ USB standard while also supporting fast charge via type C standards. At least they were nice, unlike Samsung, to include a C to C AND a true USB 3.0 A to C (Samsung's are A to C 2.0).
One has to think in the future... if that is available they should have included a c-c 3.0
If this a phone that whats to be compared to iphone 7, they can't cut corners!!!
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One has to think in the future... if that is available they should have included a c-c 3.0
If this a phone that whats to be compared to iphone 7, they can't cut corners!!!
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One has to think in the future... if that is available they should have included a c-c 3.0
If this a phone that whats to be compared to iphone 7, they can't cut corners!!!
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It has USB type C 3.1 Gen 1...
oRAirwolf said:
It has USB type C 3.1 Gen 1...
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That's exactly the same as USB Type-C 3.0.
oRAirwolf said:
It has USB type C 3.1 Gen 1...
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I know already that!! Not talking about that, it's about the USB c-c cable that is only USB 2.0!!! It should have been 3.0
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If only they added f2fs with Moto Z mount options over it and lazytime mount option and dynamic f-sync. THEN it'll be equivalent to a high-end desktop ssd.
Does anyone know for sure whether the S8 uses USB 3.1 Gen 2, USB 3.1 Gen 1, USB 3.0, or USB 2.0? And what charging standard it uses within that protocol?
Looking at the unboxings out there so far on pre-releases, it looks like the charger is a black versions of the same as last year's phones, which only supported USB 2.0 with QC 2.0, even though the SD820 supported USB 3.1 Gen 1 and QC 3.0
3.1
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Does anyone know for sure whether the S8 uses USB 3.1 Gen 2, USB 3.1 Gen 1, USB 3.0, or USB 2.0? And what charging standard it uses within that protocol?
Looking at the unboxings out there so far on pre-releases, it looks like the charger is a black versions of the same as last year's phones, which only supported USB 2.0 with QC 2.0, even though the SD820 supported USB 3.1 Gen 1 and QC 3.0
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According to this link here it's 3.1
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s8-8161.php
Not sure if this is true. The Snapdragon version is USB 3.1, while the Exynos version is USB 2.0
BozQ said:
Not sure if this is true. The Snapdragon version is USB 3.1, while the Exynos version is USB 2.0
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LOL
And to op, its hardly going to be anything less than 3.0 as a minium, even the S5 had that! Whether its 3.1 gen1 or gen2 I haven't been able to find out (much like I havent been able to find out whether it supports UHS-II or UHS-III SD cards either, samsung doing a great job in providing proper specs as usual).
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/galaxy-s8-plus-t-mobile
USB
USB Type-C
USB 3.1 Gen 1
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http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/galaxy-s8-plus-t-mobile
USB
USB Type-C
USB 3.1 Gen 1
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Can't find that on there
ewokuk said:
Can't find that on there
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tap on full sepcs
then See Full Specs
under connectivity
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tap on full sepcs
then See Full Specs
under connectivity
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Ahh I see. Only gen1 then. Bit disappointing but saves trying to find gen2 cables which are much harder to get.
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Ahh I see. Only gen1 then. Bit disappointing but saves trying to find gen2 cables which are much harder to get.
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What do you plan on doing often that requires 10Gbit speed on your phone, honestly?
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What do you plan on doing often that requires 10Gbit speed on your phone, honestly?
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No idea, probably nothing but i'd rather be buying future proof gen2 cables that i can use for anything and everything for the foreseable future than gen1 cables that run at half the speed, and if I get gen2 cables it would be nice to get full speed out of them. Not that bothered but I would have hoped for gen2 out of the very latest high end high priced flagship device.
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http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/galaxy-s8-plus-t-mobile
USB
USB Type-C
USB 3.1 Gen 1
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Thanks! I had been to that page, but didn't notice you could expand that section. At least it's really 3.1 - I was afraid they were going to stick us with something lower for no real reason like they did on the S7.
To everyone who doesn't know, 3.1 gen 1 is the same as 3.0, they just renamed it. 3.1 gen 2 is up to 10 Gbps, while gen 1 is up to 5 Gbps. Realistically, even at gen 1, speeds are going to be limited by the storage of the phone/computer/device, not the usb type. Thus, 3.1 gen 1 (3.0) is more than adequate for almost anything people will be doing with this phone, even tethering.
^^ What he said
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To everyone who doesn't know, 3.1 gen 1 is the same as 3.0, they just renamed it. 3.1 gen 2 is up to 10 Gbps, while gen 1 is up to 5 Gbps. Realistically, even at gen 1, speeds are going to be limited by the storage of the phone/computer/device, not the usb type. Thus, 3.1 gen 1 (3.0) is more than adequate for almost anything people will be doing with this phone, even tethering.
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Not exactly. USB 3.1 Gen 1 added specs to allow a USB-C connector on top of the existing standard, allowing cable backward compatibility from the 24-pin (actually 12-pin reversible) 10Gbit Gen 2 with older 9-pin USB 3.0 devices for charging and data transfer. It's basically a required middle step so that all USB-based USB-C devices can work together.
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Not exactly. USB 3.1 Gen 1 added specs to allow a USB-C connector on top of the existing standard, allowing cable backward compatibility from the 24-pin (actually 12-pin reversible) 10Gbit Gen 2 with older 9-pin USB 3.0 devices for charging and data transfer. It's basically a required middle step so that all USB-based USB-C devices can work together.
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Fair enough, but my point still stands, there's no performance/speed difference between 3.1 Gen 1 and 3.0.
Ok then if its a USB 3.0 cable (usb c to usb a, i think thats correct) will that allow fast charging as well as data, if its 2.0 Usb it wont correct? I know some Anker cables have had issue with full power charging, do we know or have a clue which ones will work on the S8's??
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To everyone who doesn't know, 3.1 gen 1 is the same as 3.0, they just renamed it. 3.1 gen 2 is up to 10 Gbps, while gen 1 is up to 5 Gbps. Realistically, even at gen 1, speeds are going to be limited by the storage of the phone/computer/device, not the usb type. Thus, 3.1 gen 1 (3.0) is more than adequate for almost anything people will be doing with this phone, even tethering.
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Not exactly. USB3 and USB3.1 operate at the same speed but to be USB3.1 certified the vendor is held to a higher standard.
Old thread now I know, but let me get this right - the S8 has a C-type with full 3.1 speed, yet they deny you this out of the box by only supplying a basic cr4ppy 2.0 cable. Hardly makes sense for a flagship device, does it?
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Old thread now I know, but let me get this right - the S8 has a C-type with full 3.1 speed, yet they deny you this out of the box by only supplying a basic cr4ppy 2.0 cable. Hardly makes sense for a flagship device, does it?
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not full, copy from s8 to macbook (macbook connected as "external harddrive", fs - exfat) with belkin tb3 cable (use this for copy with 1,2 gb/s speed from macbook to macbook) - i have only 210 mb/s (read speed for ufs in S8 - ~800 mb/s)