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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1350883 verizon nexus has bloatware no more nexus upgrades directly from google
Its Verizon, what did you expect? Look at the Verizon version of the iPhone, it always got its updates long after the AT&T version here. This was likely a requirement to get the phone on that network.
The HSPA+ version should be fine. Not to mention, why is this in the Atrix forum?
Because all android users should see whats happening to the nexus
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Because all android users should see whats happening to the nexus
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Fair enough, but this is much more a Verizon issue than a Nexus issue. Anyone who has had any experience with that carrier knows that they are the most locked down of all four here in the US. It sucks that their Nexus is a bit watered down, but until proven otherwise we can assume that the HSPA+ version being sold in other parts of the world and hopefully will soon show up on T-Mobile/AT&T keeps the spirit Nexus devices are supposed to embody.
Besides, while a slippery slope, its only two apps. It could be worse. MUCH worse.
^^^ Well said
Has there been any investigation or progress into whether the VZW version could eventually be hacked to work with voice plans somehow? The hardware may just be 100% data only, but not sure and we do know the others are phones also.
Verizon nor ATT will ever come out with a tab that will allow voice and data. If you a voice capable tab you are better off getting an unlocked import and either use ATT SIM or Straight Talk SIM. I know a lot people want the Verizon tab for the LTE speeds but as they say you can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Verizon nor ATT will ever come out with a tab that will allow voice and data. If you a voice capable tab you are better off getting an unlocked import and either use ATT SIM or Straight Talk SIM. I know a lot people want the Verizon tab for the LTE speeds but as they say you can't have your cake and eat it too.
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I understand all this. My larger question is whether it's been verified Samsung made this a 100% impossibility with how the actual hardware was actually implemented or if there is a chance a software hack of some sorts could enable voice plan provisioning and use. With ESN and IMEI based authentication of CDMA stuffs of the older tabs I figure even if it was possible VZW could have blocked it. With a SIM though I am not sure they could if Samsung left a door open to do it.
I would really like to see Samsung or other OEM just make LTE open devices available for us at full price as is supposed to be possible under the spectrum rules. I'm guessing they make agreements with VZW not to do this in order to get officially supported and marketed devices sold by them, but I am a customer that would like OEMs to try and get us out of the contract cycles so they don't have to rely on the carriers for sales so much. Not to mention people with grandfathered unlimited plans are quickly going to be VERY interested in such things as they try and force us into limited plans to get subsidies since throttling on 700mhz C-Block is going to be harder to justify in general than it has been on other spectrum.
So, received my Nexus 4 two days ago. My AT&T sim card is arriving today. I have not turned the phone on (just letting it charge) or paid my bill yet. Will the phone work on AT&T's 4G LTE network, or do I misunderstand its hardware capability?
Rumors along the following lines started floating around yesterday:
"On February 25th Straight Talk will be unavailing a revamped website experience, along with several new mid and high end phones and a new procedure for acquiring and activating AT&T sim cards. The new Straight talk sim cards will work on AT&T 4G LTE networks. You will also be able to view call history and other information if you have a Straight Talk account. For the first time Straight Talk will also allow certain smart phones to be used on their $30 plan and will be expanding the plan to offer more voice minutes (1500) text (2000) and data (300 MB). Enjoy and remember, you heard it here first."
If true, it makes sense that the Straight Talk AT&T sim supply is being depleted.
First, AT&T sims are no longer available on the Straight Talk web site.
Secondly, I saw this post regarding the sims:
"Walmart.com, the only place that's selling the ST SIMS, are running out. Orders are being limited to 2 and they're out of the Micro SIMS now. So you might want to get yours while you can. I've read the forum for the last few months after getting my Nexus 4, my first smartphone believe it or not. Just thought I'd finally post something."
Finally, I also emailed Straight Talk regarding the sim issue:
Please be informed that we are still able to activate the AT&T Bring
Your Own Phone (BYOP) SIM cards. However, the BYOP AT&T SIM cards are
not available for online purchase in our website at this time. They are
available for purchase on the Wal-Mart website (www.walmart.com) and
from participating Wal-Mart retailer stores nationwide. Our records also
indicate that AT&T service is provided in the zip code <removed>. Please be
advised that we have not received any feedback about AT&T canceling
their contract with our service.
for LTE check HERE
should give you some basic info
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for LTE check HERE
should give you some basic info
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That's even worse.......that would mean that my operating system is obsolete and I can't ever upgrade if I want LTE. From what I am coming to understand is that not all the LTE circuitry is in the phone anyway (like amplifiers for instance) so it would not work properly anyway, and the phone was never certified for LTE so I guess that is why they removed the capability in software.
yes. every device is obsolete the moment it hits retail. there's always something better in development.
btw, there are a few things I should clear up:
1. the radio/baseband is NOT the operating system. it only provides reception to the device.
2. android is not an operating system. it is random optional memory, or a firmware, if you prefer to look at it like that.
3. just use the old radio and the newest version of android together. the only change wiith the new radio is they killed band 4 so you can't connect to lte. I'm coming from a nexus s 4g, and I never updated my radio for the whole life of the device until about 3 months ago. the only thing it affects at all is your voice/data signal. Your phone wouldn't ever know the difference, unless they start making radio updates mandatory.....then you can start crying about losing lte. and I'll be right next to you with a tissue in my hand, as well.
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So, received my Nexus 4 two days ago. My AT&T sim card is arriving today. I have not turned the phone on (just letting it charge) or paid my bill yet. Will the phone work on AT&T's 4G LTE network, or do I misunderstand its hardware capability?
Rumors along the following lines started floating around yesterday:
"On February 25th Straight Talk will be unavailing a revamped website experience, along with several new mid and high end phones and a new procedure for acquiring and activating AT&T sim cards. The new Straight talk sim cards will work on AT&T 4G LTE networks. You will also be able to view call history and other information if you have a Straight Talk account. For the first time Straight Talk will also allow certain smart phones to be used on their $30 plan and will be expanding the plan to offer more voice minutes (1500) text (2000) and data (300 MB). Enjoy and remember, you heard it here first."
If true, it makes sense that the Straight Talk AT&T sim supply is being depleted.
First, AT&T sims are no longer available on the Straight Talk web site.
Secondly, I saw this post regarding the sims:
"Walmart.com, the only place that's selling the ST SIMS, are running out. Orders are being limited to 2 and they're out of the Micro SIMS now. So you might want to get yours while you can. I've read the forum for the last few months after getting my Nexus 4, my first smartphone believe it or not. Just thought I'd finally post something."
Finally, I also emailed Straight Talk regarding the sim issue:
Please be informed that we are still able to activate the AT&T Bring
Your Own Phone (BYOP) SIM cards. However, the BYOP AT&T SIM cards are
not available for online purchase in our website at this time. They are
available for purchase on the Wal-Mart website (www.walmart.com) and
from participating Wal-Mart retailer stores nationwide. Our records also
indicate that AT&T service is provided in the zip code <removed>. Please be
advised that we have not received any feedback about AT&T canceling
their contract with our service.
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i don't get it, what the heck is straight talk? and how is your phone obsolete?
That's the basic gist of any product these days.
Now with the Nexus 4, that made it even a bit worse since it didn't come with the hardware needed to work. Then again having LTE is such a big deal to you then guess you bought the phone without doing any research.
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yes. every device is obsolete the moment it hits retail. there's always something better in development.
btw, there are a few things I should clear up:
1. the radio/baseband is NOT the operating system. it only provides reception to the device.
2. android is not an operating system. it is random optional memory, or a firmware, if you prefer to look at it like that.
3. just use the old radio and the newest version of android together. the only change wiith the new radio is they killed band 4 so you can't connect to lte. I'm coming from a nexus s 4g, and I never updated my radio for the whole life of the device until about 3 months ago. the only thing it affects at all is your voice/data signal. Your phone wouldn't ever know the difference, unless they start making radio updates mandatory.....then you can start crying about losing lte. and I'll be right next to you with a tissue in my hand, as well.
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Thanks for clearing that up. But is the LTE crippled by missing components like I have read, or is that another falacy?
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Then again having LTE is such a big deal to you then guess you bought the phone without doing any research.
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Actually I knew that LTE was not listed in the specs for the device before I bought the device. It was the very recent software update that concerned me, and yes again, they have every right to totally disable LTE in the future if they so choose. It was a lot cheaper than the Galaxy S III, so it is a gamble. Thanks for your constructive answer by the way.
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Thanks for clearing that up. But is the LTE crippled by missing components like I have read, or is that another falacy?
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crippled?!?!?! hahahaha!!! what you read were reviews immediately after the phone launched where it waspointed out that the lte chip is present, but no one was connecting. the only thing that could be construed as 'crippled' is the fact that it can only connect to band 4 lte. but if you use band 4, you would never know anything was different.
Just sign up with a carrier that uses band 4 lte and you'll be fine. None in the US currently do, but tmobile is going to launch theirs soon, and it will be band 4. I've also heard rumors of users getting lte working on at&t, but since my hatred for at&t runs deep, I wouldn't even consider using them, so I never paid attention to how it's done.
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crippled?!?!?! hahahaha!!! what you read were reviews immediately after the phone launched where it waspointed out that the lte chip is present, but no one was connecting. the only thing that could be construed as 'crippled' is the fact that it can only connect to band 4 lte. but if you use band 4, you would never know anything was different.
Just sign up with a carrier that uses band 4 lte and you'll be fine. None in the US currently do, but tmobile is going to launch theirs soon, and it will be band 4. I've also heard rumors of users getting lte working on at&t, but since my hatred for at&t runs deep, I wouldn't even consider using them, so I never paid attention to how it's done.
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Great. This is my first smartphone, and I am trying to read up on the technology on several forums as fast as possible, so excuse my lack of knowledge. I have been supporting Linux for 10 years, so quite honestly my first priority is to root the device and install Busybox so I have a portable device with command line access via wifi with the most Linux commands available to all of my Linux servers at home, especially my Raspberry Pi for a project that I am building. Also hoping for Ubuntu on Android for this phone (Actually would prefer Red Hat/Centos/Fedora for Android). Second priority is phone calls. Third priority is data (HPSA+, 3G, 4G, etc.). I figure what I would have to pay for a camera, GPS, etc., as standalone devices, of which I own none, this is a fantastic deal.
hp420 said:
yes. every device is obsolete the moment it hits retail. there's always something better in development.
btw, there are a few things I should clear up:
1. the radio/baseband is NOT the operating system. it only provides reception to the device.
2. android is not an operating system. it is random optional memory, or a firmware, if you prefer to look at it like that.
3. just use the old radio and the newest version of android together. the only change wiith the new radio is they killed band 4 so you can't connect to lte. I'm coming from a nexus s 4g, and I never updated my radio for the whole life of the device until about 3 months ago. the only thing it affects at all is your voice/data signal. Your phone wouldn't ever know the difference, unless they start making radio updates mandatory.....then you can start crying about losing lte. and I'll be right next to you with a tissue in my hand, as well.
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How is android NOT an OS???
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hp420 said:
crippled?!?!?! hahahaha!!! what you read were reviews immediately after the phone launched where it waspointed out that the lte chip is present, but no one was connecting. the only thing that could be construed as 'crippled' is the fact that it can only connect to band 4 lte. but if you use band 4, you would never know anything was different.
Just sign up with a carrier that uses band 4 lte and you'll be fine. None in the US currently do, but tmobile is going to launch theirs soon, and it will be band 4. I've also heard rumors of users getting lte working on at&t, but since my hatred for at&t runs deep, I wouldn't even consider using them, so I never paid attention to how it's done.
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It is crippled. There is no amplifier.
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joshnichols189 said:
It is crippled. There is no amplifier.
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Sigh. There is an amplifier and all the hardware necessary to connect to and use LTE if your carrier uses band 4. Plenty if canucks have been doing it for months.
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How is android NOT an OS???
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by definition, that's how.
wikipedia said:
An operating system (OS) is a collection of software that manages computer hardware resources and provides common services for computer programs. The operating system is a vital component of the system software in a computer system.
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android is not software, but rather firmware
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Computer software, or just software, is a collection of computer programs and related data that provides the instructions for telling a computer what to do and how to do it. Software refers to one or more computer programs and data held in the storage of the computer.
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In electronic systems and computing, firmware is the combination of persistent memory and program code and data stored in it.[1] Typical examples of devices containing firmware are embedded systems (such as traffic lights, consumer appliances, and digital watches), computers, computer peripherals, mobile phones, and digital cameras. The firmware contained in these devices provides the control program for the device. Firmware is held in non-volatile memory devices such as ROM, EPROM, or flash memory.
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Notice the bold in the last quote? This is the defining difference.
hp420 said:
by definition, that's how.
android is not software, but rather firmware
Notice the bold in the last quote? This is the defining difference.
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If you interpret and connect the two definitions like that, then iOS, Windows Phone 8, etc., none of them are OSes. If someone load an OS onto a ROM, it automatically becomes NOT an OS? Firmware contains program code, and part of the code can be the OS. Firmware and OS are not mutually exclusive. An OS is defined by its functionality, not where or how it is stored.
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by definition, that's how.
android is not software, but rather firmware
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I installed and ran android on my laptop. So how does that fit with your clever definition!!
An OS is not defined by the media it is on, you can run Linux off a USB stick,its still an OS.
Your interpretation of that definition is wrong, you have decided to just force it to fit in with your incorrect understanding
Also correct me if I am mistaken but the radio is also what starts the boot process? I read somewhere that it is the first thing to load and bootstraps in the rest of the OS? So it does a bit more than just provide reception.
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Google seems to not care about rest of the world with their devices, only the USA I guess.
I got myself a Nexus 7 2013 4G LTE from the USA to use here in Egypt and I've read numerous posts about it not supporting normal GSM phone calls with a lousy reason that it is a tablet not a phone. YEAH SURE, then why Samsung, Asus (own devices) and many others offer the functionality ?!
Anyways I said ok, I will use it only for Internet Data the realized even that is a pain to do.
Here in Egypt we use pre-paid SIM cards and that requires USSD functionality which Nexus 7 4G LTE lacks so every time I need to renew or charge my Data plan, I have to take the Nexus 7 out of the case, pop out the SIM card, pop it in my iPhone, renew/recharge, pop it out of phone and back into the Nexus 7. How convenient! .
Any way to fix that ?
I don't know about Egypt, but here in Australia, just about all PrePaid services can be recharged online. Instead of taking the SIM out, why not just use the one already in your iPhone, and recharge using the iPhone's browser?
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Google seems to not care about rest of the world with their devices, only the USA I guess.
I got myself a Nexus 7 2013 4G LTE from the USA to use here in Egypt and I've read numerous posts about it not supporting normal GSM phone calls with a lousy reason that it is a tablet not a phone. YEAH SURE, then why Samsung, Asus (own devices) and many others offer the functionality ?!
Anyways I said ok, I will use it only for Internet Data the realized even that is a pain to do.
Here in Egypt we use pre-paid SIM cards and that requires USSD functionality which Nexus 7 4G LTE lacks so every time I need to renew or charge my Data plan, I have to take the Nexus 7 out of the case, pop out the SIM card, pop it in my iPhone, renew/recharge, pop it out of phone and back into the Nexus 7. How convenient! .
Any way to fix that ?
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1. It's a tablet....not a phablet. It's not meant to be a phone intentionally. Other devices are... Because they intentionally make them that way.
2. It's sold as a USA device. This has nothing to do with Google not caring about anyone outside the USA. The model doesn't currently have all the support for international use. That's why it's currently only sold in the USA.
Yes it does stink. But I believe Google made it clear the limitations I would have outside the USA. Maybe an update will be released that will add some functionality that will help your situation.
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1. It's a tablet....not a phablet. It's not meant to be a phone intentionally. Other devices are... Because they intentionally make them that way.
2. It's sold as a USA device. This has nothing to do with Google not caring about anyone outside the USA. The model doesn't currently have all the support for international use. That's why it's currently only sold in the USA.
Yes it does stink. But I believe Google made it clear the limitations I would have outside the USA. Maybe an update will be released that will add some functionality that will help your situation.
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Actually, all variants of the Nexus sold on the Australian Play Store as well as through various retailers. It's not a US exclusive.
iPWNtehNOOB said:
I don't know about Egypt, but here in Australia, just about all PrePaid services can be recharged online. Instead of taking the SIM out, why not just use the one already in your iPhone, and recharge using the iPhone's browser?
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I tried charging online but for some reason when the SIM is in the Nexus 7, it won't work so I have to put the SIM in my iPhone first for either online or USSD charging. I think it has something to do with some network requests that is blocked or can't function on the Nexus 7
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1. It's a tablet....not a phablet. It's not meant to be a phone intentionally. Other devices are... Because they intentionally make them that way.
2. It's sold as a USA device. This has nothing to do with Google not caring about anyone outside the USA. The model doesn't currently have all the support for international use. That's why it's currently only sold in the USA.
Yes it does stink. But I believe Google made it clear the limitations I would have outside the USA. Maybe an update will be released that will add some functionality that will help your situation.
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1-As I mentioned, I am ok with it not having a phone functionality but at least they should've made it fully functional with mobile data
2-Actually I've also tried Nexus 7 LTE EU model (from the UK) and it has the exact same issue and the only difference is 4G LTE frequencies that are a little bit different but it is not a problem because we still don't have 4G LTE coverage here and H+ is fast enough for me.
Many people complain about the same thing in Google forums but no official response yet
sola fide said:
1. It's a tablet....not a phablet. It's not meant to be a phone intentionally. Other devices are... Because they intentionally make them that way.
2. It's sold as a USA device. This has nothing to do with Google not caring about anyone outside the USA. The model doesn't currently have all the support for international use. That's why it's currently only sold in the USA.
Yes it does stink. But I believe Google made it clear the limitations I would have outside the USA. Maybe an update will be released that will add some functionality that will help your situation.
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I'm going to challenge (1).
The fact is that the chip they use for mobile data IS a full phone chip. You can use it for voice calls or data. Similarly, it can support up to 7 bands in LTE and HSPA+. So this isn't a choice not to include - it's a choice to BLOCK a feature. This is the same with SMS. Worse, the LTE bands for Canada are 4 and 7 but we don't get the EU model - which supports those - we get the US model which only supports 4. Worse, the US model only uses 6 of the 7 bands. They *could* have include 4 & 7 on the US model, but didn't. So Canada kind of got the worst of both worlds.
If Google simply didn't include a phone app and left it up to you to find one, I'd be ok with this. Like you say - it's a tablet and Goog wasn't marketing it AS a phone, so no foul. But they went further and not only removed the API in the OS to support phone service, they blocked the chip. That's going somewhat farther than 'we didn't intend for this to be used to as a phone' to 'we're not going let you use this as a phone in any way, ever.' they actually had to put in EFFORT to prevent you from using it as a phone.
Something similar happened with SMS. In 4.3, you can use SMS, it's just poorly supported. They chose not to include the Messaging app and only put in minimal SMS receiving software. Kind of stupid because a lot of PAYG services let you top up using a text message. Still, as we found out - if you get the Messaging app from the Nexus 5, bingo - you get send and receive SMS.
But in 4.4 - they actually *removed* API to make this trick not work. That's not a casual thing. It's intentional.
It's one thing not to put in a feature that's not required when it takes effort to *add* it - it's quite a different thing to *block* a feature that would be there if you did nothing.
The whole idea of the Nexus line was 'pure Android'. These are supposed to be the 'hero' models that show what you CAN do with pure Android and let developers do what they want. Yet clearly, Google is intentionally blocking certain functions that would be there otherwise.
And some of us (myself included) think that kinda sucks.
As a non-American, I'm also going to challenge (2) just a bit...
Google makes money from everyone... not just Americans. They intentionally sell their products around the world and collect data from non-Americans to use to generate revenue. Europe alone has almost 500M people - more than the US. China and India together is almost 1.5B people. Those are rather large markets.
Yet consistently, Google suffers from the same 'country blindness' that other US companies have. If you're going to sell a product outside the US, you have to be aware of, and take into consideration the differences. What makes this ironic is that OUTSIDE the US, there's a lot of standardisation. For example, all of Europe uses GSM and has 2100MHz as their primary HSPA+ frequency. This means phones work everywhere. They use DVB-T for digital TV everywhere. The US (and sadly, Canada since we get dragged along for the ride) insists on using different tech. So the biggest carrier uses the antiquated CDMA system and other carriers use the incompatible TDMA system in order to prevent customers moving between carriers. You use ATSC for digital TV which almost no one else uses.
Google Glass is US only. So is Wallet. And Voice. What makes Wallet so odd is that the US is actually way behind the curve with chip and pin and NFC based payment systems. If they actually skipped the US and focused on Europe and Canada, they'd get further faster and might even help encourage US retailers to accept the technology. What makes Voice so odd is that other US companies that don't have their heads up their.. ahems... can provide World-Wide VoIP at nearly free cost NOW. I use MagicJack on my Android tablet (you know - to make phone calls that you're not supposed to do because it's not a phone), yet while my American friends can call ME for free - I can't call them (well not using Google Voice anyway).
Are there alternative? Yep. But that doesn't justify or rationalise away Google's bizarre choices. That's like suggesting that it's ok that the main bridge in your city collapsed because there's another bridge on the west side of the city.
Simple poll, for those of us in the US, what carrier are you using your 6P on?
Right now I'm primarily using mine on Verizon, but also have a T-Mobile pre-paid SIM that I swap back and forth for testing.
Other - Project Fi in Southeast Michigan and loving it. Far better than Sprint (by that I mean just Sprint alone).
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I am on Sprint, and honestly its been pretty smooth sailing. Even getting the phone up and running wasn't particularly hard either. Solid LTE in my neck of the woods.
I'm on Verizon because neither of the new Nexus phones support VoLTE or HD voice on AT&T. I live in a city so any of the four majors were viable options locally. My problem is that I do a lot of traveling to rural Appalachia and so I need one of the big boys if I want to be covered wherever I go.
Also, Verizon has been embracing unlocked devices of late (Nexus 5X, Nexus 6P, Moto X Pure, non-VZW-purchased Nexus 6, SIM-Free iPhone 6 and 6S bought from Apple). That combined with it not restricting VoLTE and HD voice made Verizon an easy choice.
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oldblue910 said:
I'm on Verizon because neither of the new Nexus phones support VoLTE or HD voice on AT&T. I live in a city so any of the four majors were viable options locally. My problem is that I do a lot of traveling to rural Appalachia and so I need one of the big boys if I want to be covered wherever I go.
Also, Verizon has been embracing unlocked devices of late (Nexus 5X, Nexus 6P, Moto X Pure, non-VZW-purchased Nexus 6, SIM-Free iPhone 6 and 6S bought from Apple). That combined with it not restricting VoLTE and HD voice made Verizon an easy choice.
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i wouldn't say they've been embracing them. their hand was forced with the implementation of 4G. i haven't seen VZW update their image database with the latest models of carrier unlocked phones, so IMO they're not exactly "embracing" this idea.
on Sprint .. suprisingly connection has been better than it was with previous Note 4. Not getting super speed or anything but seems fast enough for majority of data stuff. Would like to try Project Fi but it would be more expensive going that route since I use too much data
uodii said:
Other - Project Fi in Southeast Michigan and loving it. Far better than Sprint (by that I mean just Sprint alone).
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I knew I forgot something...
Can a mod add Project Fi as an option?
T-Mobile... Solid signal quality in my area so I have their unlimited plan. Still annoyed with the lack of band 12 however, especially as I travel to Indy often.
640k said:
i wouldn't say they've been embracing them. their hand was forced with the implementation of 4G. i haven't seen VZW update their image database with the latest models of carrier unlocked phones, so IMO they're not exactly "embracing" this idea.
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AT&T and T-Mobile don't have images of unlocked phones either, with the odd exception here or there. And my Verizon account does show a picture of an iPhone 6S Plus for my SIM-free one that I bought from Apple (which is a different model and IMEI number set than the one Verizon sells). But, you're right, my Nexus 6P just shows up as "Huawei - H1511" with a generic device picture. A picture isn't what matters, though. What matters is that Verizon added the IMEI numbers for the 6P and 5X within a week or two of launch. That's huge for them. Considering where Verizon was even 2 years ago on the idea of unlocked phones vs. where they are now, they've taken a lot of strides. Even Sprint allows all of the same unlocked devices that Verizon does now. Sure, the FCC rules that Verizon agreed to in order to purchase those C block licenses was key in all this, but that doesn't necessarily make what I said any less true.
In the end, I think what's happening is that Verizon and Sprint are realizing that if the phone works on the network and someone wants to give them their money, they should allow the phone and take the money.
Sammaul said:
T-Mobile... Solid signal quality in my area so I have their unlimited plan. Still annoyed with the lack of band 12 however, especially as I travel to Indy often.
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according to DL, its on the way.
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/11/16/nexus-6p-t-mobile-band-12-lte/
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oldblue910 said:
AT&T and T-Mobile don't have images of unlocked phones either, with the odd exception here or there. And my Verizon account does show a picture of an iPhone 6S Plus for my SIM-free one that I bought from Apple. But, you're right, my Nexus 6P just shows up as "Huawei - H1511" with a generic device picture. A picture isn't what matters, though. What matters is that Verizon added the IMEI numbers for the 6P and 5X within a week or two of launch. That's huge for them. Considering where Verizon was even 2 years ago on the idea of unlocked phones vs. where they are now, they've taken a lot of strides. Sure, the FCC rules that they agreed to in order to purchase those C block licenses was key in all this, but that doesn't necessarily make what I said any less true.
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i bought my '13 Moto Xs as carrier devices. one was from Moto Maker and one direct from VZW. even back then, the idea of a carrier unlocked VZW device was few and far between. so happy to be out of the "we'll update your device when we feel like it" type mentality.
heck, i remember people used to choose their carrier based on device availability. the whole carrier exclusive things was a big PITA and i won't miss one bit of it. i can't wait for TV to catch on.
640k said:
according to DL, its on the way.
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/11/16/nexus-6p-t-mobile-band-12-lte/
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i bought my '13 Moto Xs as carrier devices. one was from Moto Maker and one direct from VZW. even back then, the idea of a carrier unlocked VZW device was few and far between. so happy to be out of the "we'll update your device when we feel like it" type mentality.
heck, i remember people used to choose their carrier based on device availability. the whole carrier exclusive things was a big PITA and i won't miss one bit of it. i can't wait for TV to catch on.
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Sweet thank you for the link.
oldblue910 said:
In the end, I think what's happening is that Verizon and Sprint are realizing that if the phone works on the network and someone wants to give them their money, they should allow the phone and take the money.
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i think the reality tells a different story. if carriers still had the power to lock you in to their device/contract, they would continue to do so. cable companies lock you in to their own devices by restricting/encrypting the signal. once upon a time, all you needed was a tuner and an internet connection and you could get pretty much everything without paying them to "rent" their boxes.
even vehicle manufacturers are trying to "lock" you in to their infotainment systems by making them non-replaceable with non-standard components.
640k said:
go in before the edit.
i think the reality tells a different story. if carriers still had the power to lock you in to their device/contract, they would continue to do so. cable companies lock you in to their own devices by restricting/encrypting the signal. once upon a time, all you needed was a tuner and an internet connection and you could get pretty much everything without paying them to "rent" their boxes.
even vehicle manufacturers are trying to "lock" you in to their infotainment systems by making them non-replaceable with non-standard components.
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Well, yeah, but again, the fact that they WOULD do it is kind-of immaterial. They're not doing it. They're going the other way. The reasons for it aren't really terribly important. But yes, unchecked, companies will always try to lock you into their products and services. It's been happening for centuries. That's the art of making a profit.