Ok, really, did Microsoft pay to have this forum created?
This is a desktop oriented OS... Sure, it WORKS on some Tablet PCs.. Not many and really, who has them?
This is a hacking/developing/home-brew community. Microsoft runs services for consumers, not developers. Android is the most used OS on the forums and I consider it crap that XDA has placed Windows in the position of honor.
XDA (Cross-Digital Assistant) is for Cellular Digital Assistants and and Personal Digital Assistants. Windows 8 is neither. It supports concepts from Windows Phone 7, but we would not have a iOS forum and we would not have a Kubuntu forum.
I vote the forum be removed. I also vote that XDA stop selling out.
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AdamOutler said:
Android is the most used OS on the forums and I consider it crap that XDA has placed Windows in the position of honor
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Interesting idea. Let me inform you sir, that this forum has always been Windows Mobile centric since and/or from it's foundation (Hopefully I'm not mistaken). Then along came Android and things got.. Well let's say complicated.
The "free" approach that Google has installed in all of you, has created a whole bunch whiners and trolls who feel entitled that everything should be given to them without any sacrifice from the user. Not like this was any different when it was Windows Mobile only, but we had our secluded spot.
I do not care for Android but everyone should have their own space, understood?
OR
Technology changes faster than the blink of an eye, and if you are reluctant to change, you are in the wrong forum.
Believe me, XDA for me used to be one of those "secret-spots" I'd come to have a nice read and communicate with new and old members alike.
Ever since Android has been introduced to XDA, things have gotten more intense, like debates among who's OS is better or not (Even in Non-Android forums)... something that I may not care but YET I respect others wishes.
Needless to say, I hope you revise your post and be MINDFUL OF OTHERS who will have a need for this forum.
If you do not wish to remain here for a meaningful discussion "On-Topic" mind you, then go back to your Android thread where you belong then.
Thank you and have a nice day. Sometimes it's nice to see things from another perspective, try it once in a while.
I don't get how it can annoy you in any way possible? Just ignore it and you'll be fine. And who knows we could use this to find stuff about which tablets it ports to etc. So IMO it's kinda needed.
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Do you see a Donut, Froyo, Gingerbread or IceCream Sandwich forums here?
Windows has been fundamentally the same since NT. They've partially implemented security permissions and have yet to keep up with the level of Linux in that department. Because of additional convolution, they could have a Windows7/8 forum in addition to the Windows CE forum (which mobile fits into).
There's no call to have a windows 7 and 8 forum at all. Having a new forum for that is like having a new forum for each manufacturer's UI implementation. There's nothing revolutionary about the 8 interface. It's simply hiding the default Windows interface and it's a merge of the Windows7 phone interface into the desktop.
Windows needs to do a total revamp, starting with NTFS. The Filesystem is garbage. It hinders use and development. I know because I have developed Windows applications. Modularisation is the key to a good operating system. Never in my life have I considered a partial implementation of permissions (Windows 7 and vista), nor a Skinned UI(Windows 8), nor merging of a mobile and a desktop platform into a single interface (Windows 8), worthy of an entire forum.
Windows CE variants, and Windows Vista variants... Sure. Windows 8 is not XDA material. It's not a digital assitant like WP7, and it's not a phone. Howabout a Windows forum with Arm and x86 categories?
AdamOutler said:
"Do you see a Donut, Froyo, Gingerbread or IceCream Sandwich forums here?"
"Windows has been fundamentally the same since NT. They've partially implemented security permissions and have yet to keep up with the level of Linux in that department"
"Windows needs to do a total revamp, starting with NTFS. The Filesystem is garbage. It hinders use and development. I know because I have developed Windows applications"
"Modularisation is the key to a good operating system. Never in my life have I considered a partial implementation of permissions (Windows 7 and vista), nor a Skinned UI(Windows 8), nor merging of a mobile and a desktop platform into a single interface (Windows 8), worthy of an entire forum"
"Windows CE variants, and Windows Vista variants... Sure. Windows 8 is not XDA material. It's not a digital assitant like WP7, and it's not a phone"
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Dude, leave the fanboyism aside. All the above are not facts, but YOUR opinion and YOUR opinion ALONE.
This is exactly the same thing I was talking about. You obviously have no interest on a Windows forum.
YET you are here trolling because YOU do not agree with it, so therefore NO ONE ELSE can have it??
Should I complain to XDA (i.e) Because Google has privacy issues AND violates them on a constant basis, so therefore we shouldn't have Android? NO, simply NO.
These are opinions and not facts.
XDA is set up in this place to CONTRIBUTE and DISCUSS material ON TOPIC of the above mentioned forum, not to spew hatred because you simply do not agree with.
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Dude, leave the fanboyism aside. All the above are not facts, but YOUR opinion and YOUR opinion ALONE.
This is exactly the same thing I was talking about. You obviously have no interest on a Windows forum.
YET you are here trolling because YOU do not agree with it, so therefore NO ONE ELSE can have it??
Should I complain to XDA (i.e) Because Google has privacy issues AND violates them on a constant basis, so therefore we shouldn't have Android? NO, simply NO.
These are opinions and not facts.
XDA is set up in this place to CONTRIBUTE and DISCUSS material ON TOPIC of the above mentioned forum, not to spew hatred because you simply do not agree with.
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No sir, you are exhibiting fanboyism. If you've ever tried to program cross-platform then you will realize how convoluted and screwed up Windows methods are.
Hardware abstractions requiring proprietary drivers hinder development
Interfacing devices requires implementations of $10,000 signatures from Microsoft
Utilizing user granted elevated permissions requires 30 additional steps to a program
Tools which assist with elevation of permissions are considered "Malware"
Installation of applications requires access to a unorganized "database" called the registry
Utilizing pieces of equipment which you have purchased in a different way is entirely too convoluted to even consider for any sort of software distribution.
Microsoft's provided generic drivers are buggy, so you can test and pay to sign if you're serious.
If you'd like links to any of the above, I'll show you in code, or examples I've dealt with in the last few months. Why do you deal with them? Because you're told by the mass market that it's what you want. It came on your computer. You learned it.
These are normal every-day life for you when you run Windows. Learn Linux and you will not have these problems. You will soon learn that they are *IN FACT* problems. They require several work-arounds and cash in order to utilize your creative freedoms as a developer.
You say opinion, I throw the gauntlet sir.
Well, I'm not bigger Linux fan than Windows, I use Windows for everyday. But really, Windows 8 is not available for ARM, and we don't know for sure if it will ever be, and when. So I see no point on making 2 boards for Beta release of some system.
I don't see boards for Fedora, Ubuntu, RedHat, Knoppix. Most of them are more available for XDA devices than Win8 (more is not appropriate word here, as its like dividing 1 by 0 for now)
I see no place for Win8 boards on XDA Developers for now, while it has got nothing to do with portable devices but some press notes.
AdamOutler said:
No sir, you are exhibiting fanboyism. If you've ever tried to program cross-platform then you will realize how convoluted and screwed up Windows methods are.
Hardware abstractions requiring proprietary drivers hinder development
Interfacing devices requires implementations of $10,000 signatures from Microsoft
Utilizing user granted elevated permissions requires 30 additional steps to a program
Tools which assist with elevation of permissions are considered "Malware"
Installation of applications requires access to a unorganized "database" called the registry
Utilizing pieces of equipment which you have purchased in a different way is entirely too convoluted to even consider for any sort of software distribution.
Microsoft's provided generic drivers are buggy, so you can test and pay to sign if you're serious.
If you'd like links to any of the above, I'll show you in code, or examples I've dealt with in the last few months. Why do you deal with them? Because you're told by the mass market that it's what you want. It came on your computer. You learned it.
These are normal every-day life for you when you run Windows. Learn Linux and you will not have these problems. You will soon learn that they are *IN FACT* problems. They require several work-arounds and cash in order to utilize your creative freedoms as a developer.
You say opinion, I throw the gauntlet sir.
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Adam, I have read your post in it's entirety and I have to say that even if these issues are preventing development, you came into this forum and I quote: ("Android is the most used OS on the forums and I consider it crap that XDA has placed Windows in the position of honor" "Ok, really, did Microsoft pay to have this forum created?").
Do you really think that this is are reasons enough to have it your way? Would you be happy if I went and trashed the Android forums just for the fun of it? If you would have posted this in the Android forums, you would have not heard from me at all. The issue at hand, that I see.. Os that you come into this forum insulting XDA and the future users of this forum and then say, this shouldn't be here at all.
Your complaints cannot be fixed in this forum at all, because XDA was designed to find tweaks and even hacks etc to make our OS better and responsive. Are you so mad that you are willing to deny the chance to other users because of your own jealousy and hatred for such a corporation?
Learn to share and let others live as they see fit. If Windows works for them, then it does, period. Or would you rather have them all move to chromium and/or Google products? That's very kind of you but users do not need to be berated for choosing as such. This is more on the lines of fanboyism. I said it before.
Would you be okay if I do the same on the Android forums?
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Adam, I have read your post in it's entirety and I have to say that even if these issues are preventing development, you came into this forum and I quote: ("Android is the most used OS on the forums and I consider it crap that XDA has placed Windows in the position of honor" "Ok, really, did Microsoft pay to have this forum created?").
Do you really think that this is are reasons enough to have it your way? Would you be happy if I went and trashed the Android forums just for the fun of it? If you would have posted this in the Android forums, you would have not heard from me at all. The issue at hand, that I see.. Os that you come into this forum insulting XDA and the future users of this forum and then say, this shouldn't be here at all.
Your complaints cannot be fixed in this forum at all, because XDA was designed to find tweaks and even hacks etc to make our OS better and responsive. Are you so mad that you are willing to deny the chance to other users because of your own jealousy and hatred for such a corporation?
Learn to share and let others live as they see fit. If Windows works for them, then it does, period. Or would you rather have them all move to chromium and/or Google products? That's very kind of you but users do not need to be berated for choosing as such. This is more on the lines of fanboyism. I said it before.
Would you be okay if I do the same on the Android forums?
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XDA was designed for PDA and CDA devices.. Not desktop operating systems. Anything designed in Windows 8 will have to be redesigned for any sort of XDA device. It's a desktop operating system, not a XDA operating system. This was stated upon release of Windows 8 developer preview.
http://i55.tinypic.com/ngulw1.png
AdamOutler said:
XDA was designed for PDA and CDA devices.. Not desktop operating systems. Anything designed in Windows 8 will have to be redesigned for any sort of XDA device. It's a desktop operating system, not a XDA operating system. This was stated upon release of Windows 8 developer preview.
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This should have been your first post instead. I do not disagree whether the forum should exist here or not, but rather the manner you come in busting doors left and right only to proclaim Android as king of these forums and who knows what.
I understand your motives and why you feel as you do. I do not take that away from you, neither it's my intention. Its just that everyone has the right to have something, and if Linux was to be added tomorrow, I'd be happier for those who will make the most of it. Even if unrelated as it may be.
I only want to convey the message that one-sided approaches will get alot of people offended. That is all I want you to see.
I respect your opinion, and I feel you bring up a good point. I wish I could help to make that situation better but unfortunately I do not have such knowledge.
But this forum is my home now, as new as it may be it will be of the utmost help to me and perhaps other users.
And I had felt insulted that you accused XDA of selling out (Your home) and that you are trying to take my home away.
I only hope you can be comprehensive of my side as well and that we can both stand in the common ground.
I understand. We don't need a new forum for every version of Windows.. We don't have a forum for every version of Chrome. We don't have a forum for every version of Android. We don't have a forum for every version of OS-X. This is not a XDA OS. It's a Desktop OS. You will not be developing for this platform as an XDA. Obviously paid advertisement
If they have a Windows 8 forum, they need a Ubuntu forum and a OS-X forum. It makes no damn sense except that Microsoft has paid off XDA to promote their operating system. I read a statistic last month that the vast majority of people on this forum were on Android. Yet, somehow Microsoft's OSs are all listed at the top. It's not even alphabetical or in any order. Obviously paid advertisement.
Then stack the fact that the Windows 8 is not even a mobile OS. Microsoft has officially released that mobile and desktop apps will be mutually exclusive because of architecture and battery life. This is not a mobile development platform. Obviously paid advertisement
Microsoft is ****ting on my home. Might as well call it Computer-Developers.com
I mean seriously Microsoft.... How the **** can you make a developer release when the developer tools dont work?
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And somehow get sponsored on a mobile device forum with a Desktop OS..
This is absolute bull****.
Well that's Microsoft. For ya.
Please pardon me as I have been drinking and tend to say thing from the heart.
AdamOutler said:
I mean seriously Microsoft.... How the **** can you make a developer release when the developer tools dont work?
And somehow get sponsored on a mobile device forum with a Desktop OS..
This is absolute bull****.
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Hey Adam you might wanna calm down. Your childish side is showing
If you can't make a coherent discussion then you do not deserve to even be here at all. I tried to do it differently and you can't even properly answer back.
This discussion is over and I hope that if a mod sees this, just close it or lock it. Anyways, thanks for trying at least, it was entertaining and I hope we meet again.
Take care and have a nice day.
Just the name of the thread had my trollsenses tingling. Great stuff Adam.
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Just the name of the thread had my trollsenses tingling. Great stuff Adam.
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This is not a troll thread. Its blatently obvious why a desktop OS has no place on XDA developers. They have no plan for a mobile version yet.
Dude. Get over it. If you don't like it then don't read the forum. Pretty damn simple.
Really, I'm not joking here.. I've seen this before. Lockergnome used to be reserved for the technically savy until they started the forums and everyone signed up to ask questions. It used to be a series of blogs and a newsletter with quality control. That control is now gone and the articles are just about "cool stuff" that people think is smart. At one point it was technical, now it's artsy.
The thing that keeps this forum prestigious is that it is limited to a certain kind of device. This will open the flood gates for noobs to ask questions about EVERYTHING computer related. Once that starts, we will be tailoring to the masses. The noobs will take over and basically turn the place into another garbage forum like http://www.lockergnome.com/ . It will take 2 years. Mark.
Please, XDA, I urge you.. Contact User Experience Admin Svetius Windows 8 is a desktop OS, not a mobile OS. It is not designed for any mobile device. If you care about the forums, lets try to keep the desktop and laptop stuff out.
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Really, I'm not joking here.. I've seen this before. Lockergnome used to be reserved for the technically savy until they started the forums and everyone signed up to ask questions. It used to be a series of blogs and a newsletter with quality control. That control is now gone and the articles are just about "cool stuff" that people think is smart. At one point it was technical, now it's artsy.
The thing that keeps this forum prestigious is that it is limited to a certain kind of device. This will open the flood gates for noobs to ask questions about EVERYTHING computer related. Once that starts, we will be tailoring to the masses. The noobs will take over and basically turn the place into another garbage forum like http://www.lockergnome.com/ . It will take 2 years. Mark.
Please, XDA, I urge you.. Contact User Experience Admin Svetius Windows 8 is a desktop OS, not a mobile OS. It is not designed for any mobile device. If you care about the forums, lets try to keep the desktop and laptop stuff out.
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I'll kill this argument
Windows 8 is a desktop OS, yep surely is. But it also has ARM support and has ARM support for a pretty long time (since about 7850, which was the January build).
Now what do the majority of phones run? ARM. Windows 8 is on a forum where phones run ARM processors...It's pretty simple the reason
Same reason why the htc tablet (running vista and windows mobile) had its own forum. It's not as if this hasn't occurred before...
Just let it go
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Well this is awkward,i really hope someone can get you started,butt if you feel the need to develop things there are cheap handsets out there
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Hi. I am an android contributor, especially developing PC tools (See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nokia-x2/development/05-06-adv-nokia-x2-tool-v1-60-root-t3127802)
Its main goal will be installing apk files over adb and controlling device by adb magic. (changing imei etc...)
I am ready for developing enhanced PC Tools for Windows 10 Mobile OS.
But I need a Lumia device. (Currently using Nokia X2)
I am living in Turkey and I need a Windows 10 Mobile Dev Edition installable lumia device for starting development.
Can anyone donate me it? I prefer a Turkish donator. I will re-send device after finising tool.
Other donations should be money (You cant transfer a mobile device to Turkey)
I am waiting your helps, thanks.
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There are already 3 tools, but if you really want to, there are really cheap handsets, also if you ping me I think I might able to help you
surya467 said:
There are already 3 tools, but if you really want to, there are really cheap handsets, also if you ping me I think I might able to help you
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When I was starting developing the tool for Nokia X2, there were already dozen of tool.
But most downloaded tool mine at the moment.
I believe, I really make a different tool from others.
I have a nokia 830 id trade.
This phone is blacklisted in my country...
Hello everyone,
kind of new around here, but hopefully will get the hang of the forums pretty soon.
I'm currently looking to upgrade a few PCs from Win 7 Pro to Win 10 Pro. I know I can upgrade "in place" (install Win 10 "on top" of Win 7), but since it's also time for Hardware upgrades, I might as well do a fresh install.
My question is, when I buy the Win 10 Pro license keys, will I be able to reinstall in the future with said keys?
I know you can also use a microsoft account to register Win 10 Pro automatically, but can you "store" more tan one license key in a microsoft account?
Any help is appreciated.
psallitesapienter said:
Hello everyone,
kind of new around here, but hopefully will get the hang of the forums pretty soon.
I'm currently looking to upgrade a few PCs from Win 7 Pro to Win 10 Pro. I know I can upgrade "in place" (install Win 10 "on top" of Win 7), but since it's also time for Hardware upgrades, I might as well do a fresh install.
My question is, when I buy the Win 10 Pro license keys, will I be able to reinstall in the future with said keys?
I know you can also use a microsoft account to register Win 10 Pro automatically, but can you "store" more tan one license key in a microsoft account?
Any help is appreciated.
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insofar as your first question, yes. Windows will notice certain hardware changes and prompt you to activate windows and it will say that your serial is already in use, at which point when i was personally doing this, i had to call MSFT and have a lil chat with one of their representatives and give them the serial numbers off the products i had removed from the rig i was repairing. The fella gave me a new activation code and its been gucci ever since.
to your second question, im not sure if you can store more than one activation code or not, but a logical case can be made to support either side of that debate. Anyways, i cant help ya on that one. cheers mate
psallitesapienter said:
Hello everyone,
kind of new around here, but hopefully will get the hang of the forums pretty soon.
I'm currently looking to upgrade a few PCs from Win 7 Pro to Win 10 Pro. I know I can upgrade "in place" (install Win 10 "on top" of Win 7), but since it's also time for Hardware upgrades, I might as well do a fresh install.
My question is, when I buy the Win 10 Pro license keys, will I be able to reinstall in the future with said keys?
I know you can also use a microsoft account to register Win 10 Pro automatically, but can you "store" more tan one license key in a microsoft account?
Any help is appreciated.
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I think this Microsoft's article covers some scenarios about your questions, pretty much I guess:
support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/20530/windows-10-reactivating-after-hardware-change
@moderators: sorry I needed to post a link to help this person, it's not spam.
Sklipnott said:
I think this Microsoft's article covers some scenarios about your questions, pretty much I guess:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/20530/windows-10-reactivating-after-hardware-change
@moderators: sorry I needed to post a link to help this person, it's not spam.
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Moderator s don't check every thread.
XDA relies on members reporting things that requires moderator action.
[Using "Report" button] How to Report issues / Moderators assistance by TonyStark
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1718423
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Alternatively you could have quoted Youdoofus or
mentioned him by using @ username (no space)
Like @Sklipnott
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Also it's be over a month since psallitesapienter posted he likely found a solution.
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Moderator s don't check every thread.
[/COLOR]Also it's be over a month since psallitesapienter posted he likely found a solution.
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1: yes we do!!! WE ARE OMNIPOTENT!!! ok, maybe we dont, but.... LoL
2: i often find myself thinking the same thing when im perusing threads, but man, youd be surprised. i find threads that are 30+ days old and post solutions that then get replies saying it worked\need more help\new issue emerged. Shoot, for that matter, Im having an issue i posted up in howard forums and still have the issue extant.