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Has anyone attempted to port webOS on the hero? I'd love to see it; webos is very smooth and such. Are there any emulators for the hero? (ACTUAL DEVICE, NOT PC)
Jason
bikcmp said:
Has anyone attempted to port webOS on the hero? I'd love to see it; webos is very smooth and such. Are there any emulators for the hero? (ACTUAL DEVICE, NOT PC)
Jason
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+1 on this. I had the Palm Pre but was unsatisfied with it because of hardware but this would be cool.
Yeah this would be pretty sweet... especially if we could multi-task!!!
is it even possible?
I do love android but the thought of it would be cool.
it'd be nice, but i'd say don't count on it. it'd take a lot of people and a lot of time to get webOS on our heros. i'm sure it's possible since they both run on a Linux kernel, but nobody's probably gonna do it.
palm pre plus?
what I would like to see is webOS style multitasking clone for android. They have it for jailbroken iPhones (proswitcher) I'd like to see something similar for android. The interface of the bookmarks in the internet browser would be ideal for this type of interface.
Any programmers willing to take up something of this nature? I would love to do it, but I know absolutely nothing about programming.
never used proswticher on my iphone i run multiflow does the job damn good but im getting tired of my stupid iphone cant wait for at&t to get an android soon enough
Any emulators?
Are there any emulators at all for android and the hero? I'd love to toy with linux, webOS, iPhone OS, win 98, etc... Are there any AT ALL?
johnsongrantr said:
what I would like to see is webOS style multitasking clone for android. They have it for jailbroken iPhones (proswitcher) I'd like to see something similar for android. The interface of the bookmarks in the internet browser would be ideal for this type of interface.
Any programmers willing to take up something of this nature? I would love to do it, but I know absolutely nothing about programming.
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same here.
wow, hold ur horses. Doing it is not only hard, it's impossible
we can't get android to run correctly on hero, don't count on another OS running on it, specially one that isn't open source. Yes webOS is based on an open source OS but it's more closed than open.
Also you would have to write "drivers" for the phone custom made to work with the hero.
the only way this will work is if you get Palm and htc to work together, which is impossible.
Yeah, I had the Pre but hated the way it felt in my hand and the slider. The Pre is like a crappy plastic nugget. But webOS is nice, and android DOES have multitasking already. You long press the home button and it shows you currently running apps. Click on one to get back to what you were doing.
You know, porting webOS is actually impossible. We can, though, make a theme that is heavily skinned to look like WebOS.
HeroMeng said:
You long press the home button and it shows you currently running apps. Click on one to get back to what you were doing.
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No - it shows you apps that have recently been run, not necessarily what is currently running! For the most part, it's the same thing, but there is a subtle distinction.
profete162 has written a pretty good task switcher, TaskOS, which is available on the market.
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Dave
foxmeister said:
No - it shows you apps that have recently been run, not necessarily what is currently running! For the most part, it's the same thing, but there is a subtle distinction.
profete162 has written a pretty good task switcher, TaskOS, which is available on the market.
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Dave
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However, if an app is coded for multi-tasking, it is available.
Example: Google Maps w/ Nav giving directions while browsing the web.
@foxmeister- Just downloaded and tried this taskOS, it technically does have a GUI for actual multitasking of currently running apps, but it's not much more than a GUI replacement of longpress of home.... it is not what I'm suggesting but thanks for the suggestion
@everyone else- If you've used webOS you will know what I'm talking about. If you haven't used webOS there are plenty of videos on youtube to look at to get the general idea of how it multitasks which is where it excells.
Open a web browser, press menu>bookmarks and look, finger scrollable preview windows of webpages, now in your head replace that with preview windows of currently running processes... add the ability to swipe + drag a process down to bring to foreground or up to kill that particular process. Very fluid, very easy, very natural.
Very intuitive idea and well executed in webOS. I would love to see a general port of this function added to android in form of an app or possibly a homescreen replacement, most ideal would be replace the worthless "add to homescreen button" on the senceUI dock, as longpress on the homescreen is another way to do exactly the same thing. Shade out your homescreen and put these previews over the top of your homescreen, drag in a direction as mentioned above, or hit the "add to homescreen button" agian to return to your homescreen.
I will make a bounty of $50 USD (a fair amount IMO) to anyone who makes it exactly as I describe... guaranteed to be a killer app and in no way infringing on webOS patents, as it's only replicating a function provided inside webOS similar to their "synergy" that android has copied almost bit for bit in idea.
also after all designing and beta testing is complete ... you put it out on the market you will be getting even more money, pm me if interested and details on the bounty I am offering.
EDIT: will be paying with paypal, so please have an account before responding.
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However, if an app is coded for multi-tasking, it is available.
Example: Google Maps w/ Nav giving directions while browsing the web.
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I'm not saying Android doesn't multi-task- it patently does! I'm saying that the "tasks" listed in the home "long press" are not necessarily running!
For example, if I run Spotify and then exit out, it will still appear in the list when you long press home.
Ergo - home long press is not a task switcher, but a quick launcher to recently run applications.
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Dave
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@foxmeister- Just downloaded and tried this taskOS, it technically does have a GUI for actual multitasking of currently running apps, but it's not much more than a GUI replacement of longpress of home.... it is not what I'm suggesting but thanks for the suggestion
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Beari in mind you have the ability to kill the task directly from TaskOS by dragging the icon up, much like WebOS.
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Dave
foxmeister said:
Beari in mind you have the ability to kill the task directly from TaskOS by dragging the icon up, much like WebOS.
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Dave
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yea it's close... but the previews and dragging down to foreground is what it's missing
as a former pre/pixi user id love to see webos ported to the hero. or maybe a good pre theme for GDE?
I wondered if any techies thought it would be likely that Windows Phone 7, Windows Mobile 6.5, Samsung Bada, Nokia MeeGo or other mobile OS's would be ported to the Tab. I think Ubuntu Netbook Edition is certainly likely.
Oh, asking "why would you want to replace Android?!" is a different topic.
Thanks
I'm grown to like Android so much as to do things the other way around (try to fit android to any number of other devices), but I think the two most interesting (and perhaps obvious) choices would be MeeGo and ChromeOS.
Yeah, I would definitely be interested in ChromeOS or a netbook linux distro rather than another mobile OS. I bet that there will be plenty of people trying to get linux on it, because people always wanna run linux on everything
What would be PERFECT to my mind, would be being able to dual boot.
Android for when its a phone, and a micro-desktop OS for when I wanna work on it. Stick it on the keyboard dock and add a bluetooth mouse and that'd be sexy. Hell, as long as you saved any documents to SD card you'd still be able to pull them up in droid.
Now all we need is some seriously smart people to make it happen
I don't know why Bada is on that list as it is not really a smartphone os(it more akin to a higher end/smarter feature phone os), and I doubt it would translate well to the Galaxy Tab.
I kind of want to see it running the latest version of Windows CE or Embedded in a dual boot setup with Android. Or some version of Ubuntu(maybe in a newer Mint variant).
Windows Mobile 6.x would be the best alternate.
sentiere said:
Windows Mobile 6.x would be the best alternate.
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Is that just personal preference, or is there a specific feature you think would work well on the Tab ?
Windows 7 on Galaxy Tab
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS4UOK-pyRg
But this is only a remote desktop.you can do it now with remote RDP or LotMeIn Ignition
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I'd love to see WinMo 6.5 and some Linux Distro, but my pipedream would absolutely be Windows 98 - I know, lol98, but I would go absolutely crazy if I could run some Visual Novels on it without having to remote desktop.
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I'd love to see WinMo 6.5 and some Linux Distro, but my pipedream would absolutely be Windows 98 - I know, lol98, but I would go absolutely crazy if I could run some Visual Novels on it without having to remote desktop.
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It's seriously unlikely that we'll see a windows desktop OS on the tab. Its the problem with closed-source code. It'd take very significant patching to get it to run on the Tab, and then you couldn't legally distribute the full OS. You could make a patcher/installer, but it would require anyone who wanted to use it to use full version of windows as an installer.
In all honesty, I wouldn't get your hopes up over installing any (significant) programs that don't come with a desktop OS anyway. Sure, theres no problems with bundled stuff, so you can expect office, email, browser, IM, minesweeper etc. But running anything more complex will start to bring up problems, first due to the lack of available resources (1ghz and 512 of ram is rather anemic) and secondly because its tricky to get things to run on unfamiliar architectures.
In theory, you have the chance to do some really cool stuff (some retro command and conquer on the tab... Or Baldurs Gate) but I wouldn't hold out hope.
But you never know.
Those Linux guys are CRAZY smart. A little win95/DOS emulation later, and maybe you could do whatever you want. *shrug*.
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Wasn't there someone who installed win95 on a nexus one ? You had to install it via dosbox and even then you could only get to it via remote desktop, but it did run. So maybe I'm being too negative. However, don't expect it to be an easy ride lol. Then again, it all depends on how many of these Samsung actually sell.
If they do (somehow) manage to get up to 10mil of these in circulation then there will be a massive dev community to try and make cool stuff for them.
Yeah, that's why I called it a pipe dream - unfortunately most of the visual novels I'd love to play are windows 98+ even if 95 got up. Everything else I'd want to do could be covered by WinMo (coreplayer is love) and Android (Galaxy native divx decoding <3)
IIRC the Samsung Galaxy S series has sold 5 million worldwide last time we heard - since it's essentially the same thing sans resolution I would expect some serious development stuff going on within a few months... I hope.
If I must, I will shell out for remote desktop software, but I'd really rather not if there's other options. Music on top of other stuff doesn't stream well enough through 3G
Windows Mobile 6.5.X is what I voted though.
Ubuntu 10.10 Netbook remix looks good for touch screen.
Hello I am looking at windows 8 from an It perspective and was wondering if there is any way of changing home screen to a more familiar UI (Windows 7).
There is, I don't remember the exact steps, but there's a thread in the other section of the forum for Win8 where it teaches you how to edit one registry and completely disables metro
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http://www.addictivetips.com/window...-menu-explorer-and-task-manager-in-windows-8/
You might be better off just limiting the apps that appear on the Start Screen--e.g. Desktop, classic IE (or Firefox, Chrome etc), Explorer and so on.
Metro is the future. There's no point in upgrading to Windows 8 if you're just going to neuter it. It's not going anywhere. So, people might as well get used to it.
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You might be better off just limiting the apps that appear on the Start Screen--e.g. Desktop, classic IE (or Firefox, Chrome etc), Explorer and so on.
Metro is the future. There's no point in upgrading to Windows 8 if you're just going to neuter it. It's not going anywhere. So, people might as well get used to it.
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...:ROFL: umm WRONG! ever heard of VISTA or ME?... It will get dumped...
Great UI for phones, tablets, does not mean great UI for productivity based computing environments...
I'll just leave this here http://goo.gl/46gY1
Don't get me wrong I'll play with it but it's going back in the toy box when I'm done, along with all those
children's playthings runing iOS... BTW notice how OSX is not running in an environment that that looks
like an iPhone...
earmuffs said:
...:ROFL: umm WRONG! ever heard of VISTA or ME?... It will get dumped...
Great UI for phones, tablets, does not mean great UI for productivity based computing environments...
I'll just leave this here http://goo.gl/46gY1
Don't get me wrong I'll play with it but it's going back in the toy box when I'm done, along with all those
children's playthings runing iOS... BTW notice how OSX is not running in an environment that that looks
like an iPhone...
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Apple have no problem selling Iphones though lol It's clear that windows 8 is microsofts last gasp effort to push it's mobile OS and try and catch up with Android/IOS. In my opinion for the first time ever MS have left thereselves open to serious competition on the Desktop OS market. As it stands it has no serious competition, but someone like google could quite easly decide to drop chromium OS and develop a real linux based Desktop OS. MS then could find themselves in trouble.
I sure hope this active desktop is disabled for the desktop version... I think we may soon have a battle of OS's soon. Especially if this is the final version the new UI it cluttered and I would expect more from Microsoft like a brand new concept for the whole system they've had over 23 years...... and it feels and look just like it did in windows v 3 but with better settings....
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Honestly, it looks better than 3.1, they also did not remove any of the previous functions, they just moved them around. I just wish people would be more open minded about getting something new rather than just have something with a new visual style or paint job. I applaud Microsoft for trying to go with a unified UI throughout their platforms, certainly a great way to reinvent something that's been around since Windows 95.
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xXy3kXx said:
I sure hope this active desktop is disabled for the desktop version... I think we may soon have a battle of OS's soon. Especially if this is the final version the new UI it cluttered and I would expect more from Microsoft like a brand new concept for the whole system they've had over 23 years...... and it feels and look just like it did in windows v 3 but with better settings....
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that was very difficult to read... :/
a brand new concept for the whole system (UI)? what, like Metro?
the issue is backward compatibility, MS is a legend for keeping it, but it can also have its downside, meaning its not always possible to completely reinvent something.
But that's beside the point, Metro and Desktop Do work great together on a desktop PC and Metro is amazing on a tablet so, just takes an open mind and a it of getting used to.
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that was very difficult to read... :/
a brand new concept for the whole system (UI)? what, like Metro?
the issue is backward compatibility, MS is a legend for keeping it, but it can also have its downside, meaning its not always possible to completely reinvent something.
But that's beside the point, Metro and Desktop Do work great together on a desktop PC and Metro is amazing on a tablet so, just takes an open mind and a it of getting used to.
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Well said dazza9075, Windows 8 is a beautiful OS but the user interface you have to look at with open mind. After using it as my main OS on both my Dell E6410, My HP ZD7249Cl and my Home built Desktop I thought I would never move away from Windows 7 but it grows on you very quickly. Now when I do use windows 7 I find my self trying to do mouse gestures that windows 7 cant do.
*sitting in class taking notes or working* "Why wont the charms bar come up, I want to put my computer to sleep... Oh wait this is Windows 7"
Before I start please know that I've been a MS fan since my first desktop running Win98 and also loved MS phones when it was called 'Windows Mobile'.
I've just installed the W8 Consumer Preview out of curiosity and the beautiful Metro UI. Now, I'm a big fan of the Metro UI but not on my desktop PC please!
I'm a gfx/web designer I spend hours on PC everyday and the whole Metro and Desktop thing going on here makes me wanna kill someone!
It's hard multitasking and not that productive either. First, I blame Facebook for the whole "share" thing going on! and finally Apple's "great" iphone for this don't ask me why. If you just connect all the dots since the iphone's release you can understand how every apple competitor tried to turn their products more simpler or iphone'ish and that's the bitter truth though I absolutely hate that piece of crap!
It's like history repeating itself. How Microsoft lost all their "Windows Mobile" customers(including me) and market share when they introduced new WP7. They went average to worse! Previous "Windows Mobile" tech savvy's or a power user like me switched to Android and rest iphones.
Clearly, that was a wrong move by MS, they took risk with something new instead of improving what they already have with the "Windows Mobile".
In present, MS wants to make WP7 successful so they're feeding their successful huge community of PC users with their touch/portable OS crap! **** I even hate the term "Apps" now!! I want the gold old "softwares" back! Using W8 on my on 20" LED screen is a waste. Since the new Metro UI doesn't allow resizing any "Apps" or I cant keep more than 2 open. It's same as using apps on my 4" Android phone! Yes, I can work on the W8 stripped down desktop UI for a while but that just steals the experience when Metro is designed as the prime UI for W8.
I can just go on with the flaws! Never used an apple's product but now I'm seriously planning on switching to a MacBook pro until they plan to kill the desktop experience too.
No, I don't care if its just a consumer preview or whatever. Previous Win OS beta builds and final builds never had huge noticeable differences. W8 looks like it was made out of frustration.
Of course I can stick to W7 but for how long ? it's gonna saturate at some point of time. W8 has changed everything including the MetroUI. Looks like MS is killing everything they created for themselves in past years even their company logo. And of course "Windows" was the biggest part of MS' success.
In future, can't imaging W9 switching back from Metro and bringing the pure desktop experience either. Right now can only hope.
This is just my assumption and opinion. Personally I'm an MS fan and never thought I'd critic MS like this.
Please share your thoughts
My thoughts are, I'm sticking with w7
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Personally I Loved The Metro Ui
It Just A Fantastic Ui
Even On NoN-TouchScreen
But I Think That Microsoft Should Add The Button "Enable/Disable Metro Ui"
For Desktop Fans !
bornotty said:
I can just go on with the flaws! Never used an apple's product but now I'm seriously planning on switching to a MacBook pro until they plan to kill the desktop experience too.
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Tons of alternatives to both (look up Ubuntu, perhaps). No reason to be worried.
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In future, can't imaging W9 switching back from Metro and bringing the pure desktop experience either. Right now can only hope.
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I agree; I think the temptation to try to bundle desktop with mobile will be too strong. The problem is the explosive growth of small devices, compared to the slacking growth of PCs.
The failure oft Ms ist, Thats they direct kill the Old style Startmenu. It would habe been a Wetter way Tod implement Metro as a Kind of Background replacement in an classic environment. So you would have the free choice of your Personal experience.
But wich the current way, you Are forced To Use the experience , they want .
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When in future Apple finally merge iOS + OS X , their users will welcome it with open arm and called it First + Magical.
and Microsoft deliver that experience TODAY without abandoning the "Desktop" , and yet so called " Microsoft Fan" whining every lame excuses to sabotage it.
Pathetic.
Arnt there enough "I h8 windows 8" threads already?!?
The basic function of the operating system are fundamentally the same. The start menus functionality is the same, it just looks different. The lost start button is replaced by a function tile in an identical place which works in the same way. The jumping in and out of the start menu is as quick as it ever was. The desktop works in the same way as it always did. Apps are on almost all platforms now.
So I guess I'm saying, I don't get you. Windows 7 will still exist, my god there are still people running vista & there were some real problems to complain about there.
I live the fact that when I type it starts searching
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My biggest peeve so far is that it seems to ditch functionality in favor of flair.
I have no problem with a beautiful UI--but Metro is, on a rather consistent basis, slowing down my workflow.
For example, open settings in Metro, and you are greeted with a side tab with a few options: Settings, Help, Network, blah blah blah, and what's this? More settings.
When you click on settings, you get the Oh-so-useful options of "Enable Admin tools" and "Clear personal data". That's it. All that's there. You select more settings, and you get a proper settings menu. So why the hell are these separate? They really, REALLY thought we needed a whole menu entry for TWO FRIGGING TOGGLES? They even thought those two options were soooooo important that they assumed that's what you were looking for in the first place, and put them up top.
And why the hell isn't there just a simple "Settings" tile in the Metro start screen? That's what I would look for first--but no, you have to hover your mouse over the bottom right corner, then mouse up and click settings, only to be asked which of the two pointless menus you'd like to access. And if you really want to do anything worthwhile with your PC's settings, you're in the completely wrong frigging place, because Microsoft had the infinite foresight to make the control panel completely separate from the settings menu.
I hate the start up screen and how it makes me grab the screen with the mouse like a touch screen to get it out of the way.
I hate how it hooks me up completely to MSN, making me log into my desktop and MSN at the same time.
I hate how unintuitive the mash of Metro and Desktop is. If you open IE from Metro and IE from the Desktop - why do they launch separate instances that don't look the same, act the same...it is pure garbage.
The list goes on and on... but lets run into the first three things I found WRONG in the first 30 seconds.
Simply avoid Metro UI as much as possible if you're using your PC for highly productive work. While Metro UI is great for entertaining, e.g. reading books, watching movies, social network etc. it simply cannot handle multiple tasks at the same time.
I don't work on Metro UI either, but now I've got used to staying with the classic UI. The only thing that's still frustrating is some great features can only be found in Metro style. Like skydrive integration, mail and people etc. I wish there were equivalent applications on classic desktop, so I don't have to switch between two interfaces from time to time.
Sorry to hear your disappointment. I actually like the Metro UI. I give MS credit for doing something different instead of re-hashing to same old user interface.
Only issue so far is jumping back and forth between Metro and old Win7 style. Nevertheless, to each his own.
dialupboy said:
When in future Apple finally merge iOS + OS X , their users will welcome it with open arm and called it First + Magical.
and Microsoft deliver that experience TODAY without abandoning the "Desktop" , and yet so called " Microsoft Fan" whining every lame excuses to sabotage it.
Pathetic.
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Im an MS customer I don't care what other companies are inventing and what crown they're taking, I care about what I'm paying for.
And I don't think you've actually used the new W8. I'm not "whining" for excuses which are "lame" to you. I've got my facts cleared up for everyone.
Looking at your post it just shows you can only debate on a "fanboy war" which this thread is not clearly meant for. That's Pathetic.
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Lol this like the other 20 "I hate windows 8" posts are all just troll boards. You may be clear on your "facts" but your facts arnt facts, there opinions, & you know what they say about opinions "opinions are like arseholes, everyone got them!
Come on mods, lock this thread! There are enough Microsoft sucks threads already.
I personally come to xda dev for answers not opinions. You don't like windows 8, fine, don't buy it. Just leave us folks to discuss real issues (harware/software) conflicts and solutions.
bornotty said:
Im an MS customer I don't care what other companies are inventing and what crown they're taking, I care about what I'm paying for.
And I don't think you've actually used the new W8. I'm not "whining" for excuses which are "lame" to you. I've got my facts cleared up for everyone.
Looking at your post it just shows you can only debate on a "fanboy war" which this thread is not clearly meant for. That's Pathetic.
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bah I AM using it on my pc with kb and mouse, I don't see "the problems" , it is fast , easy to use , sure you need to learn new things, but I am sure 8 years old kid wont have problem with the new stuff. You and others like you are just whiners, Pathetic.
i never understood why almost every os had a start-menu-like button in one of its corners. it has never been user friendly, klicking and klicking and more and more "apps" Pop up it's getting confusing. that has never been intuitiv from the beginnung and just got it because we were used to it. and it was kind of stupid, why just using a small part of the screen for one of the most importing tasks: getting an app/program/software started.
i love the new Metro ui, even on the pc. and your just one click away from a Desktop-similar experience so wtf is everybody worrying about?
m0nkf1sh said:
You don't like windows 8, fine, don't buy it.
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That's kinda hard considering how hard windows gets bundled with new computers, and how questionable the options are for getting a refund.
For me it's great so far
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When you click on settings, you get the Oh-so-useful options of "Enable Admin tools" and "Clear personal data". That's it. All that's there. You select more settings, and you get a proper settings menu. So why the hell are these separate? They really, REALLY thought we needed a whole menu entry for TWO FRIGGING TOGGLES? They even thought those two options were soooooo important that they assumed that's what you were looking for in the first place, and put them up top.
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Because that's the general settings section for each application and not for the entire system. It saves you from searching for the settings menu for each app. So it's more integrated into the Metro-UI. It is quite convinient.
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That's kinda hard considering how hard windows gets bundled with new computers, and how questionable the options are for getting a refund.
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Don't buy from Dell etc. Build your own and download Ubuntu etc. I've never HAD to buy an operating system & all the companies that preinstall windows sell over priced rubbish anyway.