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new super galaxy s3

there was a thread yesterday about a samsung s3 which was much better than the current one, the thread got removed today but here is proof that the person had a different galaxy phone http://www.androidauthority.com/ntt-docomo-galaxy-note-2-galaxy-s3-alpha-121710/

paintball23456 said:
there was a thread yesterday about a samsung s3 which was much better than the current one, the thread got removed today but here is proof that the person had a different galaxy phone http://www.androidauthority.com/ntt-docomo-galaxy-note-2-galaxy-s3-alpha-121710/
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Nothing special, same CPU and everything, slightly overclocked to 1.6Ghz.
Nothing super / awesome here.

Like i said in the other thread its no super S3 LOOL... all it is IS a slighlty Overclocked I9305 as it has 2GB ram.... I wll be able to have this and do it from my bedroom soon as more dev support happens for the I9305 Cant wait to overclock. Al though I did get 6147 quadrant Pro score. Fully stock with bloat ware. SSo its Fast enough for the time being I just took out some bloat ware and added some of my apps, Phone was alot cooler then before and i just got a 6230 score not bad for stock i say and right now my battery is only 20%

paintball23456 said:
there was a thread yesterday about a samsung s3 which was much better than the current one, the thread got removed today but here is proof that the person had a different galaxy phone http://www.androidauthority.com/ntt-docomo-galaxy-note-2-galaxy-s3-alpha-121710/
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Did you even read the link you posted?
It even states in there the only difference is the oc'ing of the cpu and the updated OS & ram
Meanwhile, the updated Samsung Galaxy s3, called “alpha” is a bit different to the model that NTT DoCoMo is currently selling. The “alpha” model will come with a 1.6 GHz Samsung Exynos 4412 quad-core CPU and will ship with Android 4.1 Jelly Bean, apart from the usual specs.
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so it has jellybean and a 1.6ghz processor....big whoop
This warranted a new thread? The other one was closed for a reason...pretty much the same reason this one will be closed

Not smooth as I expected!

The Nexus 7 should be very "powerful" as promised by Google!
Quad-core 1.3 GHz Tegra 3 processor vs Dual-core 1.2 GHz Cortex-A9... the Nexus is a Giant in CPU performance, but the UI isn't smoother than Galaxy S2, indeed it seems that the UI hardship to drag from one screen to another, is not at all fluid! in some case this is irritating!
At this point the Mali GPU of the Galaxy S2 it's a big point over the perfmance!
Anyone have the same observation about the UI smoothness of the S2 vs the Nexus 7?

Naamah said:
The Nexus 7 should be very "powerful" as promised by Google!
Quad-core 1.3 GHz Tegra 3 processor vs Dual-core 1.2 GHz Cortex-A9... the Nexus is a Giant in CPU performance, but the UI isn't smoother than Galaxy S2, indeed it seems that the UI hardship to drag from one screen to another, is not at all fluid! in some case this is irritating!
At this point the Mali GPU of the Galaxy S2 it's a big point over the perfmance!
Anyone have the same observation about the UI smoothness of the S2 vs the Nexus 7?
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Are you comparing stock with stock? Personally, I find both stock and most roms very smooth. I don't have a GS2 but its definitely a lot smoother than the phones I have played on, including the GS2 on ICS stock.

What did you do to it? I use a SGS3 at work (I'm a software engineer currently developing a proprietary android app for my company) and the Nexus 7 is just as "smooth" if not smoother. You realize as soon as you install apps or modify it in any way the comparison to another device is not fair because it's not on even footing, right? Take it and the S2 back to stock with a factory reset and then compare them. It's entirely possible that apps that you choose to install will affect the performance of the device, even when they are not running.

CHollman82 said:
What did you do to it? I use a SGS3 at work (I'm a software engineer currently developing a proprietary android app for my company) and the Nexus 7 is just as "smooth" if not smoother. You realize as soon as you install apps or modify it in any way the comparison to another device is not fair because it's not on even footing, right? Take it and the S2 back to stock with a factory reset and then compare them. It's entirely possible that apps that you choose to install will affect the performance of the device, even when they are not running.
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The Nexus7 and the S2 have the same Apex Launcher, the same LWP, and around the same software installed, the kernel is about to stock (excepted for the rooting) on both device, and the software installed is pretty the same (maybe the S2 have some apps plus rather the N7).
The Stock S2 is not AOSP (is Samsung full of bloatware) as in N7, so compairing the stock isn't to right... so I've installed in my S2 the SuperNexus (AOSP JB) to compare with N7 (AOSP JB).
Exist a benchmark to test the smoothness of the UI? instead of the CPU benchmark?
The difference of smoothness I've found maybe can be imputed to the different screen resolution? (1280x800 vs 480x800)

I don't know what you've done to your N7 but that just sounds ridiculous. I have a Galaxy S2 and have used that many ROMs & Kernels on it I care not to mention.
But still it has never even come close to the N7's stock experience, in fact the only thing I use my S2 for now is phone calls. This bad boy goes everywhere with me now tethered to my phone when I'm not at home.
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After a lot of trying I've found that my LWP scrool smooth on S2 but not on N7... maybe it's a code related question (about Mali driver?).
Comparing the speed of the excution of the various apps the N7 is greater, but regarding the smoothness of the UI the S2 is equal to N7 (maybe a little bit greater).
At this point I must say thanks to the developer of the S2 ROM and the "optimized Mali driver for project butter"?

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After a lot of trying I've found that my LWP scrool smooth on S2 but not on N7... maybe it's a code related question (about Mali driver?).
Comparing the speed of the excution of the various apps the N7 is greater, but regarding the smoothness of the UI the S2 is equal to N7 (maybe a little bit greater).
At this point I must say thanks to the developer of the S2 ROM and the "optimized Mali driver for project butter"?
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Is this an AOSP or touchwiz rom?
Because I remember codeworkx himself saying that the exynos S2 will never have full project butter and JB stuff because of all the closed source drivers and stuff samsung uses. He said that the OMAP version had a smoother UI, so I doubt it comes close to the N7. Unless you're using the omap version

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Is this an AOSP or touchwiz rom?
Because I remember codeworkx himself saying that the exynos S2 will never have full project butter and JB stuff because of all the closed source drivers and stuff samsung uses. He said that the OMAP version had a smoother UI, so I doubt it comes close to the N7. Unless you're using the omap version
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Mine is an AOSP ROM (based on CM10) so... I've been heard about OMAP, but I don't know what is on details...

A difference I saw b/w Samsung and HTC users.

Hello guys . I have been using my S2 for more than a year but never felt of overclocking it where as in many HTC phones thread on XDA i have seen people talking of overclocking their phone . Like Sensation many of its custom rom thread has written 1.7 or 1.5 Ghz oced . I have been noticing it for more than a year when I got S2 while at the S2 threads i rarely see people talk about Overclocking. What's your take on it ?

2 words - Exynos and Mali
Beats the hell out of competition without any sort of OC
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anshmiester78900 said:
Hello guys . I have been using my S2 for more than a year but never felt of overclocking it where as in many HTC phones thread on XDA i have seen people talking of overclocking their phone . Like Sensation many of its custom rom thread has written 1.7 or 1.5 Ghz oced . I have been noticing it for more than a year when I got S2 while at the S2 threads i rarely see people talk about Overclocking. What's your take on it ?
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yup there is no need to OC. It will only consume more battery and heat up the phone. S2 has a powerful processor

anshmiester78900 said:
Hello guys . I have been using my S2 for more than a year but never felt of overclocking it where as in many HTC phones thread on XDA i have seen people talking of overclocking their phone . Like Sensation many of its custom rom thread has written 1.7 or 1.5 Ghz oced . I have been noticing it for more than a year when I got S2 while at the S2 threads i rarely see people talk about Overclocking. What's your take on it ?
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I've owned both S2 n Sensation I had Sensation XE so it was clocked at 1.5Ghz by default. That's why it was recommended and now 1.7Ghz coz One S Indians version has same chipset but clocked at 1.7Ghz. So that chipset can be OC'd without damaging. And on S2, everything's so smooth even with broken stuff on exynos that one simply does not talk about OCing

Yup, S2 isn't necessary to OC. Never felt like it's working too slow, even thinked about selling my S2 and buy worse LG G2x and save money, but saving it the other way, not buying new phone and holding S2 for longer. Really I don't get why people need to use quadcore CPU when IMO dual is efficient enough. I always flash different kernel/software just to save battery, even was working on CPU with UC to 600MHz per core.
HTC One S interests me most, but I don't have time for any deals and swapping. And this need to be said: Sense is awesome UI and all developers working on HTC phones, because they always try to port latest version unlike S2, which had very low interest in getting JB from S3 port or w/e other softwares except miui, aosp etc. (haven't said features ported like multiwindow now or note gallery are for nothing, they are also cool and thank for this). Liked it more than TW, but just thinking now, TW is user-friendly and not like first impression when it sucked for me, got familiar with it pretty fast.

I had previously Galaxy ACE which was clocked at 800 MHz which i felt was not efficient in running ICS ROMS so overclocked it to 900Mhz.. symptoms like overheating started to crawl in.. But in S2 i never OC'd I never felt it as slow sloth.. In jelly Bean i feel it lags sometimes, ICS and GB never lagged.. I dunno abt HTC but they made ICS run flawlessly on Desire C with 600Mhz proc!! So then i thought OC s for gamers, for normal calls, msging i think OC is useless...

rakeshishere said:
2 words - Exynos and Mali
Beats the hell out of competition without any sort of OC
Sent from the Matrix
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yes true that

pasanjay said:
yup there is no need to OC. It will only consume more battery and heat up the phone. S2 has a powerful processor
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Yes even i never felt like over clocking , a friend of mine has HTC Sensation and its always oced to 1.7
mesaj said:
Yup, S2 isn't necessary to OC. Never felt like it's working too slow, even thinked about selling my S2 and buy worse LG G2x and save money, but saving it the other way, not buying new phone and holding S2 for longer. Really I don't get why people need to use quadcore CPU when IMO dual is efficient enough. I always flash different kernel/software just to save battery, even was working on CPU with UC to 600MHz per core.
HTC One S interests me most, but I don't have time for any deals and swapping. And this need to be said: Sense is awesome UI and all developers working on HTC phones, because they always try to port latest version unlike S2, which had very low interest in getting JB from S3 port or w/e other softwares except miui, aosp etc. (haven't said features ported like multiwindow now or note gallery are for nothing, they are also cool and thank for this). Liked it more than TW, but just thinking now, TW is user-friendly and not like first impression when it sucked for me, got familiar with it pretty fast.
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Yes totally agreed
Prashanthme said:
I had previously Galaxy ACE which was clocked at 800 MHz which i felt was not efficient in running ICS ROMS so overclocked it to 900Mhz.. symptoms like overheating started to crawl in.. But in S2 i never OC'd I never felt it as slow sloth.. In jelly Bean i feel it lags sometimes, ICS and GB never lagged.. I dunno abt HTC but they made ICS run flawlessly on Desire C with 600Mhz proc!! So then i thought OC s for gamers, for normal calls, msging i think OC is useless...
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hmm I think even after more than a year (actually its going to be 2 years) S2 is still performing great with no lags and problems and the Exynous 4 is doing a great job .!

Some quick points here.
The CPUs used in the SGS2 (Cortex-A9) and the HTC Sensation (Qualcomm Scorpion) are vastly different beasts. One of the most consistent ways to measure a CPU's performance is in DMIPS. An A9 puts out 2.5DMIPS per clock cycle. A Scorpion puts out 2.1. So, at 1.2ghz, an A9 puts out 3000 DMIPS per core. At 1.5ghz, a Scorpion puts out 3150 DMIPS per core. However, A9 does true symetrical multi-processing whereas Scorpion does not. This means that in single threaded applications, a 1.5ghz Scorpion will be about 5% faster than a 1.2ghz A9. But, in multi-threaded applications, or in multi-tasking environments, the A9-based SOC (Exynos) pulls ahead. That's why HTC users tend to need to overclock more often. They were behind right off the bat and needed to compensate. In most cases, the A9-based Exynos at 1.2ghz is as fast as or faster than the 1.5ghz Scorpion-based Snapdragon S3. And, that doesn't even count the GPUs in these phones.
Also, someone mentioned that HTC has better developer support, having developers port newer versions of Sense to older phones. There's a reason for that. When Samsung updates their older phones, they include many/most aspects of the newer TW UI (such as the SGS2 now getting the Nature UX). HTC rarely does this, so WE have to do it for them. Hell, my old Droid Incredible had Sense 1.0. The slower Desire Z (and variants, like the Merge) got Sense 2.0, but we didn't. The next lineup of phones got Sense 3.0, and we didn't. Our Android 2.3 looked and acted the same as 2.2 and even 2.1, just smoother. So the community has to backport these features. With Samsung, they do it for us in many cases.

oc is not worth it, with this kind of powerful chipset. i even tried it (1,5 ghz) but i only realized a higher battery drain and just minor speed improvements.

jaykresge said:
Some quick points here.
The CPUs used in the SGS2 (Cortex-A9) and the HTC Sensation (Qualcomm Scorpion) are vastly different beasts. One of the most consistent ways to measure a CPU's performance is in DMIPS. An A9 puts out 2.5DMIPS per clock cycle. A Scorpion puts out 2.1. So, at 1.2ghz, an A9 puts out 3000 DMIPS per core. At 1.5ghz, a Scorpion puts out 3150 DMIPS per core. However, A9 does true symetrical multi-processing whereas Scorpion does not. This means that in single threaded applications, a 1.5ghz Scorpion will be about 5% faster than a 1.2ghz A9. But, in multi-threaded applications, or in multi-tasking environments, the A9-based SOC (Exynos) pulls ahead. That's why HTC users tend to need to overclock more often. They were behind right off the bat and needed to compensate. In most cases, the A9-based Exynos at 1.2ghz is as fast as or faster than the 1.5ghz Scorpion-based Snapdragon S3. And, that doesn't even count the GPUs in these phones.
Also, someone mentioned that HTC has better developer support, having developers port newer versions of Sense to older phones. There's a reason for that. When Samsung updates their older phones, they include many/most aspects of the newer TW UI (such as the SGS2 now getting the Nature UX). HTC rarely does this, so WE have to do it for them. Hell, my old Droid Incredible had Sense 1.0. The slower Desire Z (and variants, like the Merge) got Sense 2.0, but we didn't. The next lineup of phones got Sense 3.0, and we didn't. Our Android 2.3 looked and acted the same as 2.2 and even 2.1, just smoother. So the community has to backport these features. With Samsung, they do it for us in many cases.
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Very well said mate .
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chomsky101 said:
oc is not worth it, with this kind of powerful chipset. i even tried it (1,5 ghz) but i only realized a higher battery drain and just minor speed improvements.
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Agree with you bro .
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The next big thing?

Hey Guys,
i was thinking about buying a new smartphone. Now that Samsung and HTC both have released their flagship device for 2013 I did some research and ended up with the Galaxy S3, the Nexus 4 and the Galaxy S4 in mind. I'm having some trouble to make up my mind about these smartphones. I compared them considering their performance. (excluded the S4 with octacore tho) and found out that basically performance benchmarkwise goes like this: S3> N4> S4.
I watched some video reviews as well and found out that these devices are pretty much equal in everyday performance. (opening apps and websites with maybe 1 second difference at most) The Nexus 4 stuck out a bit because unlike the S4 and S3 almost had no stuttering or dropped frames in the UI while even the S4 had a few.
So I'm not really sure whether the S4 is worth it for me, as I'm probably not gonna make frequent use of all the gimmicks and stuff. The 16 GB Nexus 4 is even a bit more expensive than the S3 now and the timely updates for the N4 are no dealbreaker for me as i will flash custom roms on the S3 anyway. The Nexus 4 however has no replacable battery and no sdcard slot.
Please correct me on these statements if they are flawed or simply incorrect.
Also I heard about the Snapdragon 800 and Nvidia Tegra 4 (maybe even the Exynos Dualcore of the Nexus 10 which is supposed to be released as Quadcore soon?) which are basically the next big thing when it comes to processors. I thought the S4 would make a HUGE jump (and the octacore version actually does) but it didn't. Now I wonder whether i should wait for the next generation of processors/smartphones. (I don't want to wait longer than Q4 2013)
I would appreciate your help a lot!

schnip said:
Hey Guys,
i was thinking about buying a new smartphone. Now that Samsung and HTC both have released their flagship device for 2013 I did some research and ended up with the Galaxy S3, the Nexus 4 and the Galaxy S4 in mind. I'm having some trouble to make up my mind about these smartphones. I compared them considering their performance. (excluded the S4 with octacore tho) and found out that basically performance benchmarkwise goes like this: S3> N4> S4.
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A little math lesson for you
the side with less goes here < the side with more goes here
the side with more goes here > the side with less goes here

Joe0Bloggs said:
A little math lesson for you
the side with less goes here < the side with more goes here
the side with more goes here > the side with less goes here
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thank you for cluttering the thread and posting bull****

Why are you disregarding s4's superior screen and resolution?

schnip said:
So I'm not really sure whether the S4 is worth it for me, as I'm probably not gonna make frequent use of all the gimmicks and stuff. The 16 GB Nexus 4 is even a bit more expensive than the S3 now and the timely updates for the N4 are no dealbreaker for me as i will flash custom roms on the S3 anyway. The Nexus 4 however has no replacable battery and no sdcard slot.
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Maybe you should wait for the "S4 Nexus" that will be released June 26th (if you live in the US, of course). It will aggregate the best in hardware and software and will come with an unlocked bootloader.
Between the N4 and the S3, if you're gonna flash a custom rom, get the S3 version with 2gb ram (without exynos). It has a removable battery and sd card slot which always helps.
Regarding the processors you've mentioned (Snapdragon 800 and Tegra 4), it doesn't matter much if the software is not optimized. Just look at TouchWiz, even with a brutal processor there are lags and stutters. IMO processors are powerful enough nowadays to provide a smooth experience in the UI and with games, but the software is not optimized and good enough to use all those cores wisely. OEMs further 'helps', clogging the system with bloatware.

pedrohz said:
Maybe you should wait for the "S4 Nexus" that will be released June 26th (if you live in the US, of course). It will aggregate the best in hardware and software and will come with an unlocked bootloader.
Between the N4 and the S3, if you're gonna flash a custom rom, get the S3 version with 2gb ram (without exynos). It has a removable battery and sd card slot which always helps.
Regarding the processors you've mentioned (Snapdragon 800 and Tegra 4), it doesn't matter much if the software is not optimized. Just look at TouchWiz, even with a brutal processor there are lags and stutters. IMO processors are powerful enough nowadays to provide a smooth experience in the UI and with games, but the software is not optimized and good enough to use all those cores wisely. OEMs further 'helps', clogging the system with bloatware.
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Thank you for the informative post
i have made similar experiences when comparing android to ios. the hardware is actually brutal but its not enough to compensate for the rather unoptimized software. unfortunately i do not live in the US and even if I did it wouldnt make much of a difference to me as i could flash custom vanilla android on the S4 anyhow.

schnip said:
i have made similar experiences when comparing android to ios. the hardware is actually brutal but its not enough to compensate for the rather unoptimized software. unfortunately i do not live in the US and even if I did it wouldnt make much of a difference to me as i could flash custom vanilla android on the S4 anyhow.
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I understand. Just be sure to get the S4 model with Snapdragon 600, as the 'S4 Nexus' will use it instead of the Exynos octa (no LTE). Then once its stock rom is released by fellow devs you can flash without issues

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Why are you disregarding s4's superior screen and resolution?
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actually i dont disregard it. for me the screen is one of the few improvements that really have a noticeable effect on everyday performance. unfortunately it comes at a great cost when comparing 300€(S3) to 600€(S4). I think the S3 is far more worth than only 1/2 of an S4
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I understand. Just be sure to get the S4 model with Snapdragon 600, as the 'S4 Nexus' will use it instead of the Exynos octa (no LTE). Then once its stock rom is released by fellow devs you can flash without issues
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Ok thanks for the advice!
Edit: " get the S3 version with 2gb ram (without exynos)"
As far as my research goes:
The exynos is the quadcore version whereas the snapdragon version of the S3 is dual core.
The quadcore version usually does not have 2GB ram but i found some spec sheets that had Quadcore + 2GB RAM (LTE version)
Id say better have quadcore instead of dualcore and 2GB ram right?
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Unfortunately i cant get the 2GB version with dualcore in Germany.
I can order
Exynos Quad 2GB RAM LTE and
Exynos Quad 1GB RAM no-LTE
I dont really need LTE but is the 1 GB of extra RAM worth the 50€? (apprx 65$)

schnip said:
basically performance benchmarkwise goes like this: S3> N4> S4.
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schnip said:
Please correct me on these statements if they are flawed or simply incorrect.
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Joe0Bloggs said:
A little math lesson for you
the side with less goes here < the side with more goes here
the side with more goes here > the side with less goes here
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schnip said:
thank you for cluttering the thread and posting bull****
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You asked to be corrected on your statements in the OP and that's what I did. Either you misued the comparison symbols or you thought both the S3 and N4 do benchmarks better than the S4.
I did what you asked people to do and an insult is what I get in return?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater-than_sign

Exynos Vs Snapdragon

So....
Why Snapdragon is Better Than Exynos??
And Why Exynos is Better Than Snapdragon??

Ahmedmoataz said:
So....
Why Snapdragon is Better Than Exynos??
And Why Exynos is Better Than Snapdragon??
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Next time use the search function. If you really want to beat a dead horse here is the original thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2461792
Short version. As a general rule the Exynos 5 Octa is slightly faster CPU and Snapdragon 800 is slightly faster GPU.

thanks bro

Okay so I am the first person to admit I have not read this whole thread.
However at this point we should all realize that mos bechmarks do not mean ****. We have seen how they can be gamed.
That being said from what I have seen Snapdragon seems to be a hair better in real world usage. More importantly it charges significantly faster.

AMG_Roadster said:
Okay so I am the first person to admit I have not read this whole thread.
However at this point we should all realize that mos bechmarks do not mean ****. We have seen how they can be gamed.
That being said from what I have seen Snapdragon seems to be a hair better in real world usage. More importantly it charges significantly faster.
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I still think it helps show the full potential of the hardware. I know there are issues that Samsung rigged the bench apps to run its products in full juice but isn't that the purpose of running bench tests? To see how much power does you machine have when pushed to the limits?
May not be descriptive of real world use but still an indication of your gadgets raw power.

Not OP, but piggybacking on this thread: how about the driver issue?
I've read somewhere that Samsung is much worse publishing drivers for custom ROMs to use with their Exynos processors than Broadcomm is for Snapdragon. So far I've only ever owned Nexus devices where that isn't a huge problem (unless past Gingerbread N1) and I definitely want to keep fooling around with homebrew stuff. Also want to flash new Android versions as soon as they're being published, not when Samsung releases them. I don't care much for the S-Pen or Touchwiz, but since it looks like there won't be a new Nexus 10 I'm looking for alternatives.
So, for tinkerers: Exynos or Snapdragon?

qrn said:
Not OP, but piggybacking on this thread: how about the driver issue?
I've read somewhere that Samsung is much worse publishing drivers for custom ROMs to use with their Exynos processors than Broadcomm is for Snapdragon. So far I've only ever owned Nexus devices where that isn't a huge problem (unless past Gingerbread N1) and I definitely want to keep fooling around with homebrew stuff. Also want to flash new Android versions as soon as they're being published, not when Samsung releases them. I don't care much for the S-Pen or Touchwiz, but since it looks like there won't be a new Nexus 10 I'm looking for alternatives.
So, for tinkerers: Exynos or Snapdragon?
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Snapdragon... Samsung seem to want to REALLY hold onto the drivers for the exynos.... Makes custom roms a tad hard to make when you're not sure the hardware will actually work...