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I was so utterly disappointed with the 10.1
The first one I got Friday Morning had dead pixels on the black status bar at the bottom of the screen. I returned it a couple hours later to Best Buy.
The second one has dust under the middle of the screen. You could see black spots while surfing the web.
Finally, the third one had 8 pieces of dust under the right side of the screen.
I decided to return it and wait for a rumored Nexus Tab or Ice Cream.
Don't get me wrong I LOVE Android. I have the Nexus S 4g, and I have always had android phones. I had the Xoom, but it was too heavy and large. I really had high hopes for the Galaxy Tab. Yet, its sad that the build quality is lacking..
And... lets be honest, Honeycomb needs a LOT of polishing. Its laggy, and has none of the media consumption apps people crave(i.e. netflix, Hulu, HBO Go, etc.)
If you like the Tab do yourself a favor and try not to look at the screen too close.. I fear that there are imperfections on most of them... which is inexcusable
Sounds like you may have had a string of bad luck with the devices. Remember stuff like that gets shipped in bulk so it may have been just an issue with the one shipment to that Best Buy.
I haven't had any issues with build quality on mine. Was worried about the plastic backing but it doesn't dent in like the aluminum on my iPad so it's actually a plus (and it makes the thing lighter). I won't disagree with the Honeycomb needing polish however. For the most part it works fine but there is a significant lack of tablet optimized apps out there and the input lag in the stock browser is annoying at best.
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I just got frustrated man. when you are dropping that much cash on a tab it should be flawless. ya know
Flawless is debatable... there is no such thing.. my $80k car (AMG C63 if anyone cares) is far from flawless, my house.. far from flawless. I have purchased $100+ software/hardware packages (Arcsight.. ridiculously expensive), far from flawless....
If you had asked me 10 or 20 years ago, then I would have agreed, but these days, everything is released with flaws and bugs, it is just how it is these days, and you will have to accept it, or you will never buy anything again..
Yeah man, I understand. I'd be pretty pissed to if I had to return my brand new shiny three times. But it's what all early adopters have to put up with; higher prices, untested technology, new waters and the like. It's what makes it fun,
This would be more shoddy QA than shoddy build quality wouldn't it? I actually quite like the build quality on the thing but could see getting pissed off if I had dust under the screen.
My experience that some people who are hyper-sensitive to "flaws" in devices are those that were truly unsure about their purchase in the first place. When they experience buyer's remorse, they suddenly find "flaws" in the device rather than admit that they made a poor purchasing decision. This bad behavior is unfortunately reinforced by the return policies of the retailers that charge restocking fees except in case of defects.
I'm not saying this is the case with OP. Just an observation.
jvanbrecht said:
Flawless is debatable... there is no such thing.. my $80k car (AMG C63 if anyone cares) is far from flawless, my house.. far from flawless. I have purchased $100+ software/hardware packages (Arcsight.. ridiculously expensive), far from flawless....
If you had asked me 10 or 20 years ago, then I would have agreed, but these days, everything is released with flaws and bugs, it is just how it is these days, and you will have to accept it, or you will never buy anything again..
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totally OT: $80k for a C63??? how cheap are those cars in the states?? for a normal configuration we have to pay at least about $95k (~67k €).
The 2011 C63 AMG starts at < $60k in the US (though realistically, $70k is the cheapest you'll find it). I'm not sure what the differences are vs the euro models.
rmmorse81 said:
As the title says:
I was so utterly disappointed with the 10.1
The first one I got Friday Morning had dead pixels on the black status bar at the bottom of the screen. I returned it a couple hours later to Best Buy.
The second one has dust under the middle of the screen. You could see black spots while surfing the web.
Finally, the third one had 8 pieces of dust under the right side of the screen.
I decided to return it and wait for a rumored Nexus Tab or Ice Cream.
Don't get me wrong I LOVE Android. I have the Nexus S 4g, and I have always had android phones. I had the Xoom, but it was too heavy and large. I really had high hopes for the Galaxy Tab. Yet, its sad that the build quality is lacking..
And... lets be honest, Honeycomb needs a LOT of polishing. Its laggy, and has none of the media consumption apps people crave(i.e. netflix, Hulu, HBO Go, etc.)
If you like the Tab do yourself a favor and try not to look at the screen too close.. I fear that there are imperfections on most of them... which is inexcusable
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Berner said:
I'm not saying this is the case with OP. Just an observation.
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My experience has been that some people who try to insinuate that any issues someone may have with a product are actually problems with the person rather than the device, are actually just trying to defend their own purchases.
I'm not saying this is the case with you. Just an observation.
hebbe said:
totally OT: $80k for a C63??? how cheap are those cars in the states?? for a normal configuration we have to pay at least about $95k (~67k €).
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They are definitely cheaper in the US then in most other places (even DE.. which is odd since they are made there...)
Base model runs around 60k, once you start adding options.. it goes up fast, I have everything but the Performance Package, and the number I through out is the avg for a model configured as mine, I did not pay that much (who ever pays MSRP anyways), as I picked mine up used (Certified Pre Owned model from MB).
You want horrible.. check out the C63 in Australia.. they run almost $200k AU. Half of that is I believe a luxury tax penalty....
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Flawless is debatable... there is no such thing.. my $80k car (AMG C63 if anyone cares) is far from flawless, my house.. far from flawless. I have purchased $100+ software/hardware packages (Arcsight.. ridiculously expensive), far from flawless....
If you had asked me 10 or 20 years ago, then I would have agreed, but these days, everything is released with flaws and bugs, it is just how it is these days, and you will have to accept it, or you will never buy anything again..
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Come on now - the GTab and C63 have a lot of stuff in common - especially their use of copious amounts of cheap plastic. At least for the Tab, it's only $500
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Come on now - the GTab and C63 have a lot of stuff in common - especially their use of copious amounts of cheap plastic. At least for the Tab, it's only $500
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Yeah.. and it rattles alot.. drives me nuts.. granted that may have something to do with the monster V8 they shoehorned into the little C class.. but still, at the price point, they should have used better materials. At least in EU, and most of the rest of the world, you can get the option of leather dash/console/etc which replaces much of the plastic.. but that is not available on the C class for US AMG models, it is on the E and up classes though.
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Yeah.. and it rattles alot.. drives me nuts.. granted that may have something to do with the monster V8 they shoehorned into the little C class.. but still, at the price point, they should have used better materials. At least in EU, and most of the rest of the world, you can get the option of leather dash/console/etc which replaces much of the plastic.. but that is not available on the C class for US AMG models, it is on the E and up classes though.
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The rattles are caused by a combination of low-profile tires, punishing suspension, and clips that hold dashboard components in place instead of screws. Also, the torsional rigidity of the C isn't as stiff as the E so when you go up driveways and the chassis flexes, that eventually takes its toll on tight tolerance components. Sometimes covering them with leather helps; sometimes not.
The greater concern to me is why MB didn't include an LSD with that car as standard equipment. It's part of the P30 package or a $2,000 standalone option, which to me makes next to no sense. All that power needs a way to get it reliably to the pavement!
rmmorse81 said:
As the title says:
I was so utterly disappointed with the 10.1
The first one I got Friday Morning had dead pixels on the black status bar at the bottom of the screen. I returned it a couple hours later to Best Buy.
The second one has dust under the middle of the screen. You could see black spots while surfing the web.
Finally, the third one had 8 pieces of dust under the right side of the screen.
I decided to return it and wait for a rumored Nexus Tab or Ice Cream.
Don't get me wrong I LOVE Android. I have the Nexus S 4g, and I have always had android phones. I had the Xoom, but it was too heavy and large. I really had high hopes for the Galaxy Tab. Yet, its sad that the build quality is lacking..
And... lets be honest, Honeycomb needs a LOT of polishing. Its laggy, and has none of the media consumption apps people crave(i.e. netflix, Hulu, HBO Go, etc.)
If you like the Tab do yourself a favor and try not to look at the screen too close.. I fear that there are imperfections on most of them... which is inexcusable
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Sounds like you had really bad luck. Did you exchange them from the same place? It might be the batch the store received was the problem, either tampered in production or in transportation. Overall, people seem to be happy with the build, including myself, so it seems you're case was exceptional, and you may give it another try at a different store or vendor.
Nexus Tab/Ice Cream are at best Q4, which can be 4-6 months away, and I wouldn't be surprised if they only came out next year. Honeycomb will definately improve before then, especially in a few weeks we should have custom ROMs too.
Dead pixels AND dust under the screen! I agree 100% with the OP. If you really got three in a row with screen defects that is not acceptable. You can ignore virtually any nick, ding or scratch on the body of a tablet, but it's really hard to ignore screen defects. Especially central ones. In many respects a tablet IS the screen. It's what you interact with all day long.
I'm not that surprised. Samsung sometimes has quality control issues. I ended up returning three Samsung projection TV's in a row once. One of them actually had a picture that was physically tilted so that one side was higher than the other - can't quite understand how that got past quality control. And then there is the recent GPS disaster with the Galaxy S phones - I had one of those and finally ended up getting rid of it because It was impossible to navigate with it.
Samsung is a strange company. They produce cutting edge products that have lots of rough edges. But when you finally get one of Samsung's devices that works correctly, they are sometimes really good. When I finally got a working TV from Samsung, after my fourth try, it lasted forever - superb picture and no problems. Love my Tab 7. And even the Galaxy S was a great phone, as long as you didn't have to get anywhere on time.
I'm surprised that Best Buy didn't give you a hard time with the dead pixels. Every once in a while you get a smart-assed salesman who likes to quote a dead pixel rule: "we can only exchange it if there are 5 or more dead pixels. Just because there's a big black one dead center in the middle of your screen isn't sufficient cause for an exchange!") Had circuit city try this with me on an LCD TV. Course stuff like that is probably the reason they went bankrupt.
This is one reason I prefer buying from brick and mortar stores with items like this. If Best Buy gave you no trouble with 3 returns, thats really commendable on their part. They would get my repeat business just for that.
jvanbrecht said:
Flawless is debatable... there is no such thing.. my $80k car (AMG C63 if anyone cares) is far from flawless, my house.. far from flawless. I have purchased $100+ software/hardware packages (Arcsight.. ridiculously expensive), far from flawless....
If you had asked me 10 or 20 years ago, then I would have agreed, but these days, everything is released with flaws and bugs, it is just how it is these days, and you will have to accept it, or you will never buy anything again..
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??? You have got to be kidding, right ? You may have low expectation and willing to take flaws, but not me, not now, not ever. Doing so just tells the manufactur we will accept the flaws and be done with it. Goodness, accept it ? No way
rmmorse81 said:
As the title says:
I was so utterly disappointed with the 10.1
The first one I got Friday Morning had dead pixels on the black status bar at the bottom of the screen. I returned it a couple hours later to Best Buy.
The second one has dust under the middle of the screen. You could see black spots while surfing the web.
Finally, the third one had 8 pieces of dust under the right side of the screen.
I decided to return it and wait for a rumored Nexus Tab or Ice Cream.
Don't get me wrong I LOVE Android. I have the Nexus S 4g, and I have always had android phones. I had the Xoom, but it was too heavy and large. I really had high hopes for the Galaxy Tab. Yet, its sad that the build quality is lacking..
And... lets be honest, Honeycomb needs a LOT of polishing. Its laggy, and has none of the media consumption apps people crave(i.e. netflix, Hulu, HBO Go, etc.)
If you like the Tab do yourself a favor and try not to look at the screen too close.. I fear that there are imperfections on most of them... which is inexcusable
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Did you clean your glasses before you inspected the tablet?
(J/k I returned one due to back light bleeding)
OP, if you got all of those from the same place, I suggest giving it one more shot and buying it somewhere else.
After getting yet another replacement, I noticed the seals are now black. Upon close inspection of the unit, the plastic wrap is no longer dirty (all the ones I got before had some dirt on it). The unit itself feels less squishy and no light bleed whats so ever at max brightness (it is a tad brighter near the backlights, but it is like what you see with a normal LCD monitor in a really dark room)
Just a heads up to those buying Transformers, pick the ones with the black seal, they're the newest batch (it also comes with 3.0.13 for people who cares)
Edit: Forgot to mention downgrading to 3.0.9 and using gingerbreakBB fails at the soft root step. It will get stuck at
4. run “adb shell” followed by “/data/local/gingerbreakBB”
5. Wait up to 10 minutes for gingerbreak to do its stuff, once its done you will have SU (#) symbol
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For more than 20min, I've tried several times after reboot and it never works. Had to use NVflash to root.
oh new ones... I may have to try and return mine again. This would be my 3rd one if I do. This 2nd one has a little bit of ligh bleeds in it, thus far im dealing with it...
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oh new ones... I may have to try and return mine again. This would be my 3rd one if I do. This 2nd one has a little bit of ligh bleeds in it, thus far im dealing with it...
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It was my 7th one XDD
You seriously returned your TF 7 times?!?!?! I have a few light bleeds but havent really considered sending it back.
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You seriously returned your TF 7 times?!?!?! I have a few light bleeds but havent really considered sending it back.
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It was to a retailer near me. 1st time the rims were flexing, 2nd time rim still flexing and speaker issues, 3rd,4th,5th speaker issues. 6th one had dust under camera lens. This one has no issues as far as I can tell expect a dot of missing paint near microsd slot (who looks at it anyway?)
how can i understand if i have light bleed on my Tf?
is there any chance that you may upload a photo about it?
dinc86 said:
how can i understand if i have light bleed on my Tf?
is there any chance that you may upload a photo about it?
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Open up Gallery and turn backlight to max. Go into a dark room, if you see really bright areas near the edges (usually the bottom left/right edge), you have some light bleed (showing of backlight behind the screen, thus called backlight bleeding)
I can't really take a photo with my current TF as it doesn't have that kind of light bleed.
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Open up Gallery and turn backlight to max. Go into a dark room, if you see really bright areas near the edges (usually the bottom left/right edge), you have some light bleed (showing of backlight behind the screen, thus called backlight bleeding)
I can't really take a photo with my current TF as it doesn't have that kind of light bleed.
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Oh wow, I should have waited for the newer batch since such quality issues are addressed.
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It was my 7th one XDD
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Lol..way 2 go mate, no compromises!
Sent from my cell phone. DUH.
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Lol..way 2 go mate, no compromises!
Sent from my cell phone. DUH.
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I wouldn't be replacing it so many times if the store wasn't 10min drive away.
dinc86 said:
how can i understand if i have light bleed on my Tf?
is there any chance that you may upload a photo about it?
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If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
My point? If you can't notice any light bleed during normal usage, why go looking for it when it clearly doesn't matter?
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Dave
WoW you must be really unlucky and/or picky.
Mine has a lightleak that I don't care about. And I had to return the dock one time because it wasn't charging.
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WoW you must be really unlucky and/or picky.
Mine has a lightleak that I don't care about. And I had to return the dock one time because it wasn't charging.
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I wasn't really returning it for the bleeding, it was the speakers and dust under camera lens that made me go return it. Backing up my stuff 6 times isn't fun.
foxmeister said:
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
My point? If you can't notice any light bleed during normal usage, why go looking for it when it clearly doesn't matter?
Regards,
Dave
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Well said!
frosty5689 said:
After getting yet another replacement, I noticed the seals are now black. Upon close inspection of the unit, the plastic wrap is no longer dirty (all the ones I got before had some dirt on it). The unit itself feels less squishy and no light bleed whats so ever at max brightness (it is a tad brighter near the backlights, but it is like what you see with a normal LCD monitor in a really dark room)
Just a heads up to those buying Transformers, pick the ones with the black seal, they're the newest batch (it also comes with 3.0.13 for people who cares)
Edit: Forgot to mention downgrading to 3.0.9 and using gingerbreakBB fails at the soft root step. It will get stuck at
For more than 20min, I've tried several times after reboot and it never works. Had to use NVflash to root.
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What is the batch nummber on the serial? b5 or higher?
foxmeister said:
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
My point? If you can't notice any light bleed during normal usage, why go looking for it when it clearly doesn't matter?
Regards,
Dave
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Very good point! Just my opinion but unless the dreaded light bleed is a symptom of a progressive problem getting worse, does it REALLY matter?
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foxmeister said:
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
My point? If you can't notice any light bleed during normal usage, why go looking for it when it clearly doesn't matter?
Regards,
Dave
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Amen. There are a lot of people costing us all money here by returning units that are basically as close to perfect as one could reasonably expect, in the pursuit of some mythical level of perfection that doesn't exist from any manufacturer. We've seriously reached the point where I've now seen a thread in which somebody complains that their Transformer has a 1-2mm larger space between the last active row of pixels and the blacked out area of the screen on one side of the display than the other. It's beyond obsessive, to be honest.
What these people don't seem to realize is that each return for a new unit inflates prices for everybody. The retailers return that stock to Asus, who cannot legally sell the tablets as new at that point -- they have to sell them as second-hand, which means losing a significant amount of money. They're not a charity, and the cost of those returns gets passed straight back to us, the customers. So does the added cost to the retailer of shipping around extra units, and of processing extra orders.
One return is reasonable. Two might be so in some circumstances. Seven isn't. It means you're being ludicrously picky. If you genuinely had six faulty units straight out of the box there's zero chance you'd be actively trying to buy the product any more at that point, so they clearly weren't "faulty" units -- just ones that didn't meet an unachievable standard of perfection.
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Amen. There are a lot of people costing us all money here by returning units that are basically as close to perfect as one could reasonably expect, in the pursuit of some mythical level of perfection that doesn't exist from any manufacturer. We've seriously reached the point where I've now seen a thread in which somebody complains that their Transformer has a 1-2mm larger space between the last active row of pixels and the blacked out area of the screen on one side of the display than the other. It's beyond obsessive, to be honest.
What these people don't seem to realize is that each return for a new unit inflates prices for everybody. The retailers return that stock to Asus, who cannot legally sell the tablets as new at that point -- they have to sell them as second-hand, which means losing a significant amount of money. They're not a charity, and the cost of those returns gets passed straight back to us, the customers. So does the added cost to the retailer of shipping around extra units, and of processing extra orders.
One return is reasonable. Two might be so in some circumstances. Seven isn't. It means you're being ludicrously picky. If you genuinely had six faulty units straight out of the box there's zero chance you'd be actively trying to buy the product any more at that point, so they clearly weren't "faulty" units -- just ones that didn't meet an unachievable standard of perfection.
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Amen. Some people are just ridiculous when it comes to this. Its irresponsible, inconsiderate and is shooting us all and yourself in the foot!
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... or perhaps Asus has learned a valuable, yet expensive, lesson in quality control.
And what about the speakers ?
Ok, this is my 3rd device and all of them have had dirt under the screen. I am so pissed right now.
Very frustrating, but a problem with all manufacturers. I was unable to get an Ipad 2 because every one I tested had bad light leak (at least 4 units). The BB playbook had dust, dirt or bad pixil on my first 3 units. My first tab 2 had a spec of dust. The second appears perfect, but I'm determined not to run tests until I find something!
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Ok, this is my 3rd device and all of them have had dirt under the screen. I am so pissed right now.
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Have you considered a device with an AMOLED screen? The Galaxy Tab 7.7 has one. The technology sandwiches the touchscreen and the display together - no room for particulates.
Cool story Doubt anyone cares
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Cool story Doubt anyone cares
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i know right. imagine trying to cook food for these kind of people lol
its like the iphone antenna. not a huge deal (i had one) but once people read about it then they had to hold it that way and then start complaining. its how the particles under the samsung screen is going to turn out. people spend $400 expecting $800 worth of product
I realize that it may seem crazy to have a post about this but I think it is also something that after so many you have to raise a question. I mean you are spending over 400 dollars for these things, I think you should get some quality. Yes I can let this go and I am as I am using the device.
I am just saying that how many of these are out there and when does the manufacturer have to start taking responsibility for it.
Just looked at my screen, and there isn't any dirt under it. Don't remember seeing any dirt or dust under the screen at any display models that I've seen in stores either, so that makes 4 - 7" and 3 - 10" tablets that I've looked at without any screen issues (besides just needing wiped off).
I have never had dirt under a screen in a device. I am sorry OP that you are having this issue.
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First tablet I've ever purchased; no dirt.
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I just wonder what world I've missed where everything is perfect 100% of the time?? You can definitely tell the spoiled people in the world.
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I have never had dirt under a screen in a device. I am sorry OP that you are having this issue.
sent from my galaxy tab 2
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Just bought a tab 2 10" for the wifes birthday - no dust/dirt problems here, she loves it.
Terry
I agree with the dust problem. I have seen this problem on iphone 3gs, iphone 4, ipad 1, ipad 2, galaxy tab p1000, tab 7.7, and many other models...
It is really hard to find a device without dust. Latest screen technology get rides of the backlight bleeding problem, specially the super amoled screen, but the problem is that the dust gets inside between the touch panel and the screen during the manufacture process, so you won't be able to avoid it...
It is a shame that such an expensive piece of hardware gets that problem just because they don't care when they are manufacturing the pieces... :S
I have returned dozens of devices because of this fault... I don't understand why people return devices with dead pixels but not with dust under the screen... the visual effect is the same or even worse with dust!
Its just a tablet not a scalpel, just a mass produced product. You're lucky you don't see any Chinese dung beetles under the glass. Lol.
Pp.
Transmitted from another galaxy with an Infected P-5113.
jrock2004 said:
I realize that it may seem crazy to have a post about this but I think it is also something that after so many you have to raise a question. I mean you are spending over 400 dollars for these things, I think you should get some quality. Yes I can let this go and I am as I am using the device.
I am just saying that how many of these are out there and when does the manufacturer have to start taking responsibility for it.
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This device does not cost over $400.
That said, mine is perfect. No dirt, nothing.
I'm just grateful mine didn't come with any dirt. And to back the OP, if I spend anywhere near $400 then I want to see some quality. Less than perfect usually won't cut it, not if I am shelling out that kinda money. I want to get the best bang for my buck... I have seen this complaint in other forums and if I got a tablet and it had dust under the screen, I would certainly return it for another as well, not settle for a device that has a flaw, especially knowing some people are buying them without this flaw...
The Razr was the last phone I had with dust under the screen. The first Razr.
Is it that time of the month?
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The Razr was the last phone I had with dust under the screen. The first Razr.
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Ahhh now those were the days lol
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hmm
when i buy my gt2 10.1 the first day was awsome but till then i bored this. when a experimental release of cm9 comes out then i realise manny products worth only if a unlocked moded os is ecxist and its true companies play a game but we have the weapons to control it and win the game.
Darunion said:
i know right. imagine trying to cook food for these kind of people lol
its like the iphone antenna. not a huge deal (i had one) but once people read about it then they had to hold it that way and then start complaining. its how the particles under the samsung screen is going to turn out. people spend $400 expecting $800 worth of product
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I know the Iphone antenna Thing is easy to get over, but dust under the screen would be hard for me to ignore. I cant overlook things like some people. I would go bonkers.. Just My thoughts.
After 2 years and 1 month my Pixel C got the split screen and black screen issue and seems to have died. I spent an hour on Google chat seeing if they could resolve the issue but they wiped their hands and said get a local repairer to fix it. The problem is no local repairer's are able to fix it as Google don't make it anymore, so they don't have the parts! I need a new tablet. I don't want to go down the Apple route if possible. Does anyone have a recommendations for cheap, powerful rootable tablets 10 inch in size? I was thinking about the Huawei Mediapad M5, but after Google's announcement yesterday I am not so sure. Any idea's?
At this point, Samsung is basically the last bastion of powerful Android tablets. I don't think they have unlockable bootloaders but I'm not 100% on that. The tab s4 has a SD 835 and the s5e has a SD 670. Both have similar cpu performance to the tegra X1, though the GPU will be worse on both. That said, they both can be had for around 400-600$ depending on spec. Tablet size I believe is the same, but the screen is bigger and oled. More RAM and more storage by default. I wish there were more options, because I too was looking at the mediapad m5 until the other day. Now I'm looking at either one of these Samsung tablets, or just picking up a used pixel c. Hope that helps a little.
If you don't want a Samsung tablet (I can't stand Samsung) then you might be better off just buying a used Pixel C off of eBay. They are going for between $150 and $200. I think you are going to have trouble finding a better deal than that.
There are some interesting tablets out of China using iPad and Microsoft Surface screens. They are cheap and you need to be careful about finding one that has a community of supporters. TechTablets maintains a list of recommended tablets that have been reviewed. You have to understand that you are not getting something of the quality of a Pixel C or iPad. That being said, you get a ton of bang for your buck. Especially if there are community-based ROMs available for them. https://techtablets.com/recommended-chinese-tablets-brands/
You also might want to check out the Xiaomi Mi Pad 4 Plus if you want something that is getting active development on XDA developers. It uses a 16:10 screen which is kind of a balls aspect ratio for a tablet in my opinion but it has decent guts and can be had for $285-$300 on AliExpress. I just got its 8" little brother, the Mi Pad 4. The MIUI OS that it comes with is not horrible but it's a lot better once you install an AOSP ROM on it like Havoc OS.
Thanks for your input. I have decided to get the Huawei tablet, so we'll see what happens. Oddly since Google told me to do one and I was unable to get it fixed by only local suppliers I found a video on youtube showing the problem and a possible (maybe temporary) fix.
It involved lifting the top of the screen from the back and adjusting the display ribbon cable. I tried it, but couldn't do it and cracked the screen in the process (hairline).
The day after Google emailed and said they were assessing my chat with them and asked if there was any liquid damage to the tablet and to send them 4 pictures of each side of the tablet (front, back and both sides).
Why do you think they want to do that, and if they were going to give me a refurbished tablet do you think they still will if I explain my story with a link to the youtube video? Cheers for any replies in advance.
mightywhites29111971 said:
Thanks for your input. I have decided to get the Huawei tablet, so we'll see what happens. Oddly since Google told me to do one and I was unable to get it fixed by only local suppliers I found a video on youtube showing the problem and a possible (maybe temporary) fix.
It involved lifting the top of the screen from the back and adjusting the display ribbon cable. I tried it, but couldn't do it and cracked the screen in the process (hairline).
The day after Google emailed and said they were assessing my chat with them and asked if there was any liquid damage to the tablet and to send them 4 pictures of each side of the tablet (front, back and both sides).
Why do you think they want to do that, and if they were going to give me a refurbished tablet do you think they still will if I explain my story with a link to the youtube video? Cheers for any replies in advance.
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I am curious, did you ever hear back from Google?
12paq said:
I am curious, did you ever hear back from Google?
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I did. I sent them the pictures of my device and explained to them how I got the crack, which I got when trying to follow this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb3By2Z-Zt4
They said as it has physical damage they would not do anything. Even though I explained the damage was done trying to fix the device as they or no-one else would. They didn't even offer to look at it, as the problem is the ribbon cable for the screen, and me trying to open the device up will not have affected what was the issue in the first place. Google's customer service is abysmal. Apple would not treat its customers this way IMO.
Odd. Sorry that went ****ty for you.
A year ago I tried to fix my Pixel C's stuck power button and cracked the screen badly. I told Google what happened and they sent me a new Pixel C. I didn't purchase a protection plan and it was more than a year old... I don't get it. ?
I'm selling my Pixel C 32Gb in like new condition with adapter & cover through Amazon EU Fulfillment. It is bootloader unlocked and comes with latest Pixel Experience installed. Shipping & payment will be done through Amazon so if interested, send me PM for the link.
12paq said:
Odd. Sorry that went ****ty for you.
A year ago I tried to fix my Pixel C's stuck power button and cracked the screen badly. I told Google what happened and they sent me a new Pixel C. I didn't purchase a protection plan and it was more than a year old... I don't get it. ?
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Neither do I. Not even a cursory offer to look at it and then say it was my fault. It's like they're saying 'we dont' make tablets any more so if you have any problems then tough ****'. I now have the Huawei Mediapad M5 and as nice a tablet as it is it's not quite the same
I am keeping an eye out for a new tablet but I am pretty picky about it so I might have to wait. I essentially would like the Pixel C again* but faster and with more Android appropriate hardware (think GPS, haptic feedback, better touch screen, cameras that don't entirely suck in every way possible). Either same size with larger screen (smaller bezels) or a bit larger overall would be good too. The new Samsung tablet with the SD855 is something I'll look at. The rumored Nvidia tablet also will merit a look. But for now I will save my money.
*This to me means a decent keyboard accessory, mostly stock/Google Android, open bootloader, and higher quality components.
I've been debating what to upgrade to for awhile now. Then I noticed on eBay there was a seller who is unloading a batch of near new Pixel C 32gb. I sniped an auction at the end and got one for $122.00 US. The tablet is almost new and running fine. For the price, I am going to stay with the Pixel C for a bit longer.
If this is an option for you guys check out eBay. It prolonging the inevitable, but the price is right.
I also hope that mine will run forever. I have it now for about three and a half years and it's still going strong. If mine goes down, I think about getting another one before I try any Samsung tablet. I can't stand anz of the current models, to be honest.
What about Xiaomi Mi Pad 4 Plus? It has Snapdragon 660 and I saw a price of $225.
While on vacation in the UK I'm looking to buy a Nothing Phone1.
The problem I have is deciding which color to purchase.
Here’s the thing the only stores that I'm aware that have these phone's on display is O2 stores.
Both black and white on display not turned on and housed in a armoured casing secured to the sales display countertop.
While both look nice I wanted to actually handle both devices turn them on run through the menus etc to get a feel of both devices before making a purchase.
They don't even have a dummy phone.
So basically your buying a product blind without even testing it out.
O2 policy for not having any the nothing phones turned on it may induce epileptic fits to customers and passers by.
Most of the other brand devices one can handle or turn on and play with the devices.
So I'm at a loss as to buy a black, or white PH1..
So my question is other then the UK can you go into a store and play with PH1 devices?
it's the exact same size as an iphone pro max. Just pick up one of those and imagine it being much lighter. Watch a video of the setup process if you want to see the OS (it's basically stock android with a cool font for headings)
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it's the exact same size as an iphone pro max. Just pick up one of those and imagine it being much lighter. Watch a video of the setup process if you want to see the OS (it's basically stock android with a cool font for headings)
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Thank you so much for the feedback, yeah I know it mainly stock Android one of the main reasons looking to buy one.