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Anyone swapping his Touch HD for HTC hero?

Just wondering? I'm playing with the thought of selling my Touch HD. Getting a bit tired of Windows Mobile. Anyone else?
But I'm asking myself, if I can live with the smaller screen and lower resolution?

Im thinking of doing the exact same and my main concerns are screen size and lack of radio. The radio, which i don't use that often, i can overcome by using web radio. But the screen size and resolution is making me consider it carefully.
I've only been using windows mobile for about 6 months but im getting bored. I've looked at all the apps i use and theirs alternatives available on android for all of them.
Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?

trice1921 said:
Im thinking of doing the exact same and my main concerns are screen size and lack of radio. The radio, which i don't use that often, i can overcome by using web radio. But the screen size and resolution is making me consider it carefully.
I've only been using windows mobile for about 6 months but im getting bored. I've looked at all the apps i use and theirs alternatives available on android for all of them.
Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?
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I did. I have used winmob for 9 years :S Seriously.
I moved to Android Hero on release day last week.
I sent the Android back on Monday and am back on winmob.
There are (currently) apps and 'things' that Android cannot do to the same quality as winmob. I don't for a minute think that situation will be like that forever, but, atm, Satnav is not as good on Android. Syncing is not as good on Android. I missed the hardware keyboard (not a prob for an ex-touch HD user of course )

cbailey said:
I did. I have used winmob for 9 years :S Seriously.
I moved to Android Hero on release day last week.
I sent the Android back on Monday and am back on winmob.
There are (currently) apps and 'things' that Android cannot do to the same quality as winmob. I don't for a minute think that situation will be like that forever, but, atm, Satnav is not as good on Android. Syncing is not as good on Android. I missed the hardware keyboard (not a prob for an ex-touch HD user of course )
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I have TomTom on my touch hd but i think i've used it once so satnav software shouldn't be an issue. You mention syncing, what do you mean?
Thanks for the input.

trice1921 said:
I have TomTom on my touch hd but i think i've used it once so satnav software shouldn't be an issue. You mention syncing, what do you mean?
Thanks for the input.
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HTC Sync is not the best.. well.. its crap.
I sync with Googlemail though, always have and then I have an app on my computer which syncs with Outlook and Googlemail, so don't need to plug the phone in, I have no issues!
CoPilot is a good piece of kit, IF you have bought it. The pirate versions have many many flaws in it, so I presume this is what you mean by that? Obviously TomTom has been around a bit longer so had many years to get its quirks out of its system, I remember it on Symbian and my old XDA II, it was pants then, but nice now.
Just moved from many years on WinMo to Android and I'll give it that, its different. There are some things it won't do as good as a WinMo device, but other things it will excel on. But lets face it, its different, its not WinMo, its not Apple, hence why I want it, something different.
Not everyone will want it, but I've had a Touch HD and moved to a TP2 (0.2" screen difference) then moved to this and its fine, screen size is spot on for me, no complaints at all.

I bought Copilot on Friday night and tested it on a purely vanilla Android config. Nothing else installed. It crashed each time I exited. It also did not have my second tested postcode in it. Thankfully the refund function on Android marketplace worked very well, otherwise that would have been another £25.99 wasted.
More serious was the crashing though. Just kept locking up when I exited the app.
I too run Outlook sync>googlemail on my PC. But, for contracts this is a convoluted process of exporting to a .csv > gmail. It's a kludge and not good. The calendar via gmail syncs well but not the contacts. Pretty basic stuff and should be resolved at first hit and capable locally.
Under Vista, HTC sync hardly works, it's pointless being there. All these issues are exactly why apple is sewing up the market. Their stuff is much more user friendly. I have never had an iphone and probably never will, but fundamental issues that affect the user experience such as the ability to sync are essential for the success of a phone. As I was used to Activesync in Winmob land and that worked seamlessly, why would anyone struggle with an equivalent that doesn't work?
Hero displays a great insight to the future of open phone OSs. It's really exciting to experience. When the flaws are resolved I will be back on board for sure

My main problem is the size of the on-screen keyboard. I've been using palm-held devices to write for years now, so the keys on the Hero are just too damned small. If an Android handset came out with a display the same size as the HD, I would be very tempted. If there's an application on the Market that lets you actually edit Word-type files...

trice1921 said:
Im thinking of doing the exact same and my main concerns are screen size and lack of radio. The radio, which i don't use that often, i can overcome by using web radio. But the screen size and resolution is making me consider it carefully.
I've only been using windows mobile for about 6 months but im getting bored. I've looked at all the apps i use and theirs alternatives available on android for all of them.
Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?
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I did - but I still have the WM device but am not using. I am bored of WM for now. I will continue to use android as its a fresh and exciting to try something new and a great change, which ill get even better when I start customising the device more.
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I did. I have used winmob for 9 years :S Seriously.
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Seriously! nine years?
I presume you include your Pocket PC experience with that as WM has only be out six

ive been using windows since the original SPV. I've pretty much had every device ever released from HTC. Just sold my HD and got the Hero - I dont think I will be going back to windows again - unless something spectacular happens in Windows 7!

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Seriously! nine years?
I presume you include your Pocket PC experience with that as WM has only be out six
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Yep, PPC as well as. I am pwoppa old school (just old really!)
I always had a soft spot for the SP5. I still have one of those and it gets use when I am on a night out, ie, more portable but still carrying the details I need.

Thats the way I feel winwiz, so do other people I know fortunate enough to have the G1.
I have been using a PDA since Apple's newton days and progressed to my first PocketPC in 2000 (Compaq) and on to my first WM device which was the SPV M600 (HTC Prophet) which is still in use now. The Trinity was next SPV M700 (also still in use) and then last year I got a Hong Kong version of the Diamond.
During my time with these devices the experience has nearly been the same thanks to the user interface. The Hero and android is a welcome change, although there are things I will miss with WM - I look forward to the further developments of the Android OS and the missing things with WM will soon appear in one form or another.

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the missing things with WM will soon appear in one form or another.
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That is for sure. These are exciting times.

They need a direct sync for Outlook Contacts, call me crazy but I don't trust Google with my contact data and personally I don't like anyone else sharing my contact information with them or anyone else. Once you give them that data for free it's theirs, I'm not looking for complete anonymity but sharing my contact information is just a step away from giving them my checkbook, tax information and SSN. They have a really cool service and it's "free"... too bad people aren't taking account of what they are actually paying.
Rant /off
I am looking very seriously at getting a Hero though, I've had the Star Trek for quite a few years... (got it running WM6.1 now) and while cool. I'm looking forward to messing with Andriod and seeing what happens with the development of Andriod Apps/Utils in the community.

i had the touch hd and tytn 2 and they are all top notch phones....for me tho winmo phones are very precise in getting whatver you want done fast and efficeintly but they lack and excitement or fun while using them. hero i feel has just about put the two together making it enjoyable but efficient. dnt think i could go back to winmo and be happy about it....... the difference in screen size for me isnt really an issue i get on fine with smaller and th ehtc hero offers 3 different keyboard layouts for those who are used to a hard keyboard. obviously personal opinion differs but mines thumbs up to android......give it a go.....you only live once!

trice1921 said:
Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?
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I was using 4 HTC WM smartphones over the past years. i got bored after a month with my htc diamond so i sold it and buyed a nokia e71 (symbian). Used it till now. In a few days my HTC Hero will be delivered.
I am certain that Android and HTC fit together very good and its getting the only competitive platform beside the iphone os.

menov321 said:
i had the touch hd and tytn 2 and they are all top notch phones....for me tho winmo phones are very precise in getting whatver you want done fast and efficeintly but they lack and excitement or fun while using them. hero i feel has just about put the two together making it enjoyable but efficient. dnt think i could go back to winmo and be happy about it....... the difference in screen size for me isnt really an issue i get on fine with smaller and th ehtc hero offers 3 different keyboard layouts for those who are used to a hard keyboard. obviously personal opinion differs but mines thumbs up to android......give it a go.....you only live once!
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Ok, screen size is my main apprehension. If that works out, maybe I'm going to get a hero.

I have a Touch HD and have been considering a switch to Hero. The main thing that stops me is that I rely on a couple of Java apps that run under Winmo but wont run on Hero. For the rest, I think the trade offs are probably worth it.

Rip HD. Sort of.
Just got my Hero(HD's going to the wife) and like any other device out there at the moment(and probably forever, sadly) it is not perfect. Having said that, I don't think I'll miss my HD that much.

That's exactly what i've done. Sold my hd and now waiting for my hero to arrive - hopefully tomorrow. Then il report back to say If I think it was worth it.
I much prefer the look of android tho.

I'm in the same boat as you guys - thinking about trading my HD in for a Hero. As soon as I saw how good Android was, I had been desperately hoping someone would port Android to the HD, but that as it doesn't look like that will happen now, I think I might take the plunge for a Hero.
Of course, like all of you, my main concerns are with the screen, and also the on screen keyboard. I'm using FingeKeyboard 2.1 on WM and it's fantastic, I doubt HTCs keyboard on the Hero will come close.
That said, I'm bored of winmo, and I organise everything online through google anyway, so switching to Android seems to make sense. I also like the idea of an app store, and whilst MS is slowly working on that, I'd rather have something run by google instead of MS.
Guess I should take the plunge!

Why HD2 will be my ultimate phone

I have gone and done it, just bought a HD2 and it arrives tomorrow...
Selling my Samsung Galaxy S and returning to my old faithful Windows mobile, responses I have had from some, state I must be mad its old dying platform.
But I for one still prefer my old Touch HD over the bloomin horrid Iphone and now Android, which I simply don't like, reminds me of Mobile shell and I never really liked the messy widget type layout with that either, don't get me wrong here the galaxy s is a superb phone, in fact is quite ballistic and that screen is amazing....BUT I miss my old Memory map navigation sync with my desktop, my collins bird guide and pocketbirds.
I very much miss the ease of sync with my outlook and the simplistic way everything is compatible with my office docs, I have become so used to windows mobile for so many years I don't think I am compatible with anything else just yet, but at least I gave them a go...
Hopefully the HD2 will be as good as my old HD was and more...

looks like You know what You are talking about, so all I can say is that You'll be more than happy. I know it because I am...
hd2 is the best winmo phone ever. period. snapdragon is the answer to most of problems from the past, plus sense interface makes it pleasant and useable.
my advice - stick to most recent stock rom, just tweak it as You used to with previous wm devices. I did that... rock solid, fast, no crashes nor freezes.
I am keeping my hd2 even if I'll buy something new in the future. for now there is no better choice for winmo users... and unfortunately there will never be.
a real leo...

bronx said:
looks like You know what You are talking about, so all I can say is that You'll be more than happy. I know it because I am...
hd2 is the best winmo phone ever. period. snapdragon is the answer to most of problems from the past, plus sense interface makes it pleasant and useable.
my advice - stick to most recent stock rom, just tweak it as You used to with previous wm devices. I did that... rock solid, fast, no crashes nor freezes.
I am keeping my hd2 even if I'll buy something new in the future. for now there is no better choice for winmo users... and unfortunately there will never be.
a real leo...
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sounds like a declaration of love to your leo
but you are absolutely right. its the fackin best winmo device.

Glad to see someone still spreading the love for windows mobile. I have defended WM on my Leo to many Iphone and Android fanboys who are too dumb to use WM properly.
I'll admit I have been playing with Android lately but I will never remove it if the option to flash android becomes available. I wind up back in WM much of the time.

agreed, tis a fantastic piece of kit. i've always sold on my earlier phones but as the above poster stated, this one is staying. you will love it mate !!!

naaah... I wouldn't call it love. see... it is just a tool. I understand however it's capabilities and raw power.
back in the past, I was torn between hd2 and nokia n900. well... I went for HUGE capacitive screen and snapdragon. after placing an order some doubts appeared, but... when I've unpacked the box and held it for a very first time I knew instantly I made the right choice.
now after about eight months, numerous tweaks and apps installed, despite few scratches on the housing it is still my gadget of choice. tried android (same thoughts as op, too much spb ms to me...) and iphone. well... I am waiting for android 3 and wp7, but I just may keep leo for quite a long time... we shall see...

[Q] Should I buy a HD2?

Hello! I've currently got an HTC Desire and I'm not that happy with Android. I'm tired of the laggy, inconsistant and boring UI of both Sense and stock Android. I've had an iPod Touch and I've got an iPad and I'm a big fan of iOS, but I want to try something new.
I've been reading about WP7 a lot and it looks very interesting, I've also tried different WP7 phones in stores and I fell in love with the smoothness and consistant Metro UI.
The phone that I'm thinking of at the moment is the HD2, I think that it would be a good choice for me because it is able to run a various number of platforms (I like modding my phone and trying new stuff). So I've got a few questions about the phone:
The phone is almost 2 years old, is it hardware good enough to meet todays and tomorrow's requirements?
How is the screen of the HD2 compared to the Desire's (WVGA, 3,7", AMOLED)? Does multi-touch gestures work well? Is it dual-touch or does it support more than two fingers?
Is Spotify available for WP7 yet?
Are any key features missing in the WP7 port for HD2 (such as camera, headphone jack or WiFi not working?)?
What other platforms than Android, WM 6.5 and WP7 does the HD2 run? I saw that there are sections for Ubuntu and MeeGo here at XDA, are those platforms stable enough for daily use? How well does Android run?
Should I buy a used one or a new one?
How is the battery life?
What are your opinions? Would you buy a HD2 today? Opinions and recommendations about other phones are welcome as well!
Thanks in advance

1. I'd say yes. It might get a little more outdated when two core or even quad core processors roll out. One the other hand, there is no operating system that could use more power than HD2 has.
2. Screen is the weakest part of HD2, AMOLED technology is a lot better in terms of picture quality as well as power saving. I'd say it is just OK.
3. No idea.
4. No idea.
5. HD2 can currently run WM6.5, WP7 and Android - all stable and all working. Meego and Ubuntu are rather proof of concepts and not useful for daily use.
6. Now this is up to you. If you're short of money, go for used one. If you can afford a new one, get a new one.
7. Depends how much you use the phone, what operating system you're running etc. I managed to get about 4 days of standby(stock battery!) on Android with automatic internet connection and mail syncing every 30 minutes and 3G off. I consider it pretty good for a smartphone.
However, the most important thing about this phone is the number of supporters here at XDA. There are hundreds of ROMs to choose from, you can try a new one every day And well, I do not think there are many phones that can multiboot two systems(there are some that can handle different systems, but each change requires reflash).
I am a person who can afford any phone any time. If someone told me that there is a HD2 with amoled screen, quad core cpu and 4 gigs of ram and (it still can multiboot) for $2000, I'd buy it right away. Back to reality - in my opinion there is no better phone out there.

Well, it's hardware is now pretty old compared to most of the phones out there. But it still works I haven't seen any place where I'd be like oh crap I wish I had another phone this is just too slow.. Never.
Screen = Big Let Down. You won't be all that happy with the screen rest assured
Multi-touch works well but not so well in WP7. I believe it is dual touch.
Spotify is available on WP7 last I checked it will take you a spotify wp7 google search.
Meego, Ubuntu not for daily use development has as far as I remember become extremely slow.
Key feature missing in WP7 for HD2 is camera gives green tint when used with flash. And imo camera quality is never as good with android or wp7 than with WM6.5 for hd2.
Take a used one from craigslist. Should be good enough.
Battery life not as good due to the aforementioned screen and 1250 mAh battery.
But, I still personally love my HD2 and won't part with it till the development from this community stops and I honestly believe WP7 would surely work perfect on the HD2 in the near future. Peace

Thanks for the responses! The only thing that makes me doubt atm is the screen.. Really love the blacks on the Desire's AMOLED display, but I guess that I'll get used to the HD2's display.
Anyone done the jump from AMOLED/S-LCD/S-AMOLED to LCD?

Kinda.. My bro has a Galaxy S another has a S2 a friend has Sensation.. So seen many pretty nice screens must admit my hd2 looks pretty sad in front of those displays.. But, when I show them Android CM7, Sense, WP7 and all.. They all say please tell us how to do it

Go get an hd2 it will be the best thing that ever happened to you cell phone wise

I won't make another topic for the same question, so I just reply to this one. I hope it won't call as digging up...
After XDA threads answering 90% of my questions, I still have one:
I will be able to afford an HD2 in March-April 2012. That said, I don't want to end up thinking "Gosh, why did I buy it?" after 3-4 months; is this phone still able to survive another year of support here, at XDA? I don't have enough cash to buy another $400 phone after half a year, so it is quite important.
Thanks in advance.

Schocker1 said:
I won't make another topic for the same question, so I just reply to this one. I hope it won't call as digging up...
After XDA threads answering 90% of my questions, I still have one:
I will be able to afford an HD2 in March-April 2012. That said, I don't want to end up thinking "Gosh, why did I buy it?" after 3-4 months; is this phone still able to survive another year of support here, at XDA? I don't have enough cash to buy another $400 phone after half a year, so it is quite important.
Thanks in advance.
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to be honest, it is a guess at this time. i mean in 6 months from now, there might be some new amazing things on the market. i would just come back and check in 5 months or so. and nicely done, not starting a new thread!

If i were u i wont even think of getting this phone.
Ya in 6 months from not there will be more new stuff out there. So talking of the current market i think compared to other newer phones the HD2 is really good. 4.3 inch display, capability to rum multiple OS's. And it's blazing fast in wp7 and android
BUT...
Just google the number of HD2 users suffering with the same fault it has. I'm a victim of the same and i feel like dashing this crap on the floor. I'm sick and tired of this. Even after performing a mtty still it restarts.
So..
Either u have to be really like others to get a good phone without any faults or you too will be suffering like the rest of the HD2 owners. WHY TAKING THAT CHANCE? IF I WERE YOU I WOULD NOT EVEN IF IT CAN RUN 1000 OS's..

I am really happy with my HD2 & it has been faultless for me on my personal setup WM6.5.x, but if you are likely to be going Android you are better looking at newer devices that are native Android.
Most hardware failures & bugs are on those users running Multi OSs or Nand Droid/W7 .

Thinking of Buying an HD2?
Thinking of Buying an HD2?
Read here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1284389
and here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1271507
Those of you suffering WP7 restarts/freeze etc, get yourselves a new SD Card. There's plenty of data on this in the WP7 forum.

Thanks for answering, it really means a lot to me.
Ok, time to explain my history (which is a long and complicated one):
I am 15 years old, so I just have to rely on my parents' money. I got my first mobile when I was... 9? Something like that. I remember, how everyone in the school was excited by color screens! And l was proud of having a camera, even though the quality of the photos was pretty bad. But, hey, it was a camera! In the mobile!
In 2007 I got my first "smartphone". It was Nokia 6120 classic with Symbian. But I was scared about losing the warranty, so I didn't do much with it (that is, I didn't "hack" the Symbian, which is still nothing compared to modding Android). Still, I was happy with it for 2 years.
But then comes 2009 and "touchscreen time". God, how the prices of those phones dropped then! I bought a Samsung Corby. Yeah, it was a downgrade from Symbian, but at least I was able to get used to the touchscreen. I sold it in March 2011 for an acceptable price.
And here comes the "smartphone age". I bought my Galaxy Spica in July 2011. I know, probably You haven't heard of this phone, but in Poland and Russia it is quite popular. I bought it simply because of the mods - right now it is considered "The slowest phone ever" on some Polish Android forum, but, guess what? I am happy with it. It is running CM6 right now and is currently lying on my left, charging happily.
If I'm happy - why should I replace it? Well, first of all, the battery got klilled. One day I can go through 8 lessons and the phone will still be at 100%, and next day, without even touching it - bam, drops to 52%. I know, replace the battery and so on, and so on. But it really sometimes makes me mad when I have to do a "battery reset" for the third time, because it won't unlock...
I remember how I was scared before the first root of my Spica... And it went great, start to finish! Everything goes great when You follow the guides, that's what I learned in the past few months. No phone can be compared to HD2 when it comes to modding (at least IMHO), and it gives you the "WOW" factor among your friends, hehe! Nothing better then coming to a group of people showing off their 199$ Android phone and showing them the HD2's dual-boot!
What really made me excited about the HD2 is not only a modders paradise it offers, but also the wonderful support here. Heck, the HD2 Android board has more posts than most other phones section added up! And more, and more posts are coming up everyday. I would really like to have, like, 4 smartphones in my house - Android, iPhone, WP7 and probably another Android... But I just don't have the money for it. (*blames his country for its poor wages*) I do not demand every new version of Android or WP7 being ported to HD2 (because it's just too much), but I'd be happy with, let's say, one-two next major versions of Android and the next major version of WP7.
In one sentence: I definitely enjoy modding everything, I love the big choice of ROMs available here and I just hope the development doesn't stop on Mango and Gingerbread - if it's so: HD2, here I come!
If You really read the whole story (written in a very poor English - sorry, I'm a native Polish speaker), then congrats, and I hope You will be able to answer my question: Will HD2 as a multi-OS phone satisfy my needs, which are not connected to display or dual-core, but tot the software only? And sorry for the chaotic post, I shouldn't have replied in the midnight. ^^

Get one. I broke mine and am currently looking for another HD2. I could go get the new GSII but I don't really want it.

stepthehen said:
Thinking of Buying an HD2?
Read here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1284389
and here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1271507
Those of you suffering WP7 restarts/freeze etc, get yourselves a new SD Card. There's plenty of data on this in the WP7 forum.
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Ok, that is enough for me, I am going for it... After I get the money of course.
BTW: @stepthehen: I've read the second story before and that's why I asked - if this phone has gone through two years and can mean so much for people...

It is a great phone & if the price is right then still a trenendous bit of kit.
The flip side : if you are not likely to want WM6.5.x or multi-boot & are paying high end price then it is not the best option.

Mister B said:
It is a great phone & if the price is right then still a trenendous bit of kit.
The flip side : if you are not likely to want WM6.5.x or multi-boot & are paying high end price then it is not the best option.
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My mum says it is quite expensive, but, hey! Many phones nowadays have similar, if not worse, specs, but they are being sold with a higher price tag, simply because "they're new".
And I do want the multi-boot and I do want to play with OSes. Actually it's my #1 reason. ^^

[Q] confused with all th OS thing around here

hi guys...
I have the Leo for a year or so,
i used to have WM EnergyROM and iit was perfect for me...
and then DFT came and gave us the Android gift, so i've flashed the NAND ROM
and using it ever since... BUT i don't like the idea of "cloud" sh** of the Android, I see no differance in speed, sure it looks better than WM6.5....
but it never felt solid like WM....
now i simply don't know what to do....
Leave it as is and use the Android OS or go back to WM??
i sure need some advice....

I would install Pyramid rom like I did and be happy!
Im happy with my HD2 Using android Pyramid rom with everyday use and its stable nice and solid. P.S. Im using CLK...

having used all three OS's a lot on the HD2, i can give you a fairly good idea of what id do but its very much personal preference.
There is nothing wrong with wm, I personally think its an amazing OS, yeah it doesnt look as good, yeah it doesnt run as fast but its a work horse and will do anything.
the other two OS's, WP and android are two very different kettles of fish, WP is in my opinion the best PHONE OS out there, it has a lot of great features especially around exchange support and social networks. android is a bit flaky in my opinion, but appears to have more "modability" If you dont like the whole idea of uploading to a clould then that only leaves android and WM, in my humble opinion WM wins from a userbility point of view and android wins from a interface perspective (WP wins that if you include that in to the mix!)

dazza9075 said:
having used all three OS's a lot on the HD2, i can give you a fairly good idea of what id do but its very much personal preference.
There is nothing wrong with wm, I personally think its an amazing OS, yeah it doesnt look as good, yeah it doesnt run as fast but its a work horse and will do anything.
the other two OS's, WP and android are two very different kettles of fish, WP is in my opinion the best PHONE OS out there, it has a lot of great features especially around exchange support and social networks. android is a bit flaky in my opinion, but appears to have more "modability" If you dont like the whole idea of uploading to a clould then that only leaves android and WM, in my humble opinion WM wins from a userbility point of view and android wins from a interface perspective (WP wins that if you include that in to the mix!)
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mmm food for thought....
personally i'd go for WP7 BUT MS insist not giving me an Activition key they told me to contact HTC for that beacuase "it should be provided withe your new HD7" (MS Israel) i sent mail to MS USA and they told me to contact my local MS service... so WP7 is a dead end for me...
the idea fo giving google all personal information with Android is also disturbing me but there are a very good and usfule apps in it like Whatsapp (that i use daily)...
on the other hand WM provides me a better an much more convinent way of data Sync to my PC and most of the apps that i use on Android can be replaced with equivilant apps on WM exept Whatsapp...
the G-sensors on WM don't work on all apps (like WAZE that i use daily) kind of annoing...
my friend is a Developer he told me that Android works better on the HD2 i don't know how or why or if it's true even thou the HD2 is WM native...
so i really don't know what to choose very confused and tierd of flashing from one to another just becuase "every one use this OS or the other"
honestly i think that when HTC built the HD2 they aimed for WP7 and Windows will always work better on it and Windows is much more convinient for data Sync. no "special" drivers is required or some other tricks just to allow me to connect my HD2 to PC....
Me knowing that there are no more updates for WM6.5.x from MS holds me back call me stupid but it makes me think that this platform is dead (and i know it's not true)
bahhhh very very confused......

I have tried wm, and wp7 and android, and HyperDroidCM7v3.1 is the best ROM for the hd2 that is out there now. Just give it a try and you'll know what I mean ;-) Really.
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se1988 said:
I have tried wm, and wp7 and android, and HyperDroidCM7v3.1 is the best ROM for the hd2 that is out there now. Just give it a try and you'll know what I mean ;-) Really.
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i'm currently usin it if you look at my sig.
and in my former post i explaind myself about my opinion but yrt kind fo dont know what to do... i thought about dual boot of WM and Android but it's not a solution because i want to use one OS.... not a GAZILION OS's.....

I stuck with NRG WM6.5 on my hd2. Tried android on HD2 & also via HTC Desire with native Android. Android lacked in a lot of areas I needed daily & is in no way a great looking or clever GUI. I use NRG Dinik further modded by myself & it works perfect for me in business & pleasure & is solid & all functions I use & have tested work well, closest a phone OS gets to having a PC in your pocket.
Have very little experience of WP7 on HD2, used it on native handset but not enough to go verbal on opinions.
Main call is down to how you use your device & what you prioritise, unfortunately you are one of the few who are caught with needs that can not come from one OS.
Best you can do is work with the OS that comes closest & resolve lacking apps ect the best you can ...
I am surprised that a whatsapp alternative for WM has not materialised & also surprised the XDA app never went to WM.
WM is not dead & will be in real use for some while yet but chances of new applications & any form of evolution within the OS itself is unlikely. Shame really as 6.5.5 had a hell of a lot of potential, if MS had developed it faster Android could of been unknown & buying or flashing a phone would of been much simpler.

baraks said:
i'm currently usin it if you look at my sig.
and in my former post i explaind myself about my opinion but yrt kind fo dont know what to do... i thought about dual boot of WM and Android but it's not a solution because i want to use one OS.... not a GAZILION OS's.....
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Well, it comes down to a matter of taste really... You prefer WM, use WM. I prefer Android, because it owns everything else.

se1988 said:
Well, it comes down to a matter of taste really... You prefer WM, use WM. I prefer Android, because it owns everything else.
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By saying everything else, what do you mean??? I really dont understand the difference between all the os's....
For general knowledge i use data sync alot with my pc lots of mail use office acrobat reader gps and im soft.... if this helps to advise me...
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baraks said:
By saying everything else, what do you mean??? I really dont understand the difference between all the os's....
For general knowledge i use data sync alot with my pc lots of mail use office acrobat reader gps and im soft.... if this helps to advise me...
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Android can meet your demands and more. Maybe WM is good enough for you, but give Android a try! I promise you, you will never go back
Why drive a Toyota Corolla, when you can have the Bugatti Veyron for free?

se1988 said:
Android can meet your demands and more. Maybe WM is good enough for you, but give Android a try! I promise you, you will never go back
Why drive a Toyota Corolla, when you can have the Bugatti Veyron for free?
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Because you will likely crash an burn in the bugatti and it will cost you more in the long run.
WM is solid, if the OEMs and networks didnt screw it up so much then it might still be a leading contender today.
as it is, WM is the best SMARTPHONE OS out there, in my opinion WP7 is the best Phone OS out there (android would fit in to this if it wasnt bloated and becoming more fragmented by the week) There is a big difference between Smartphone and phone, and iOS, android and WP do not fit the bill for a true smartphone.

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Because you will likely crash an burn in the bugatti and it will cost you more in the long run.
WM is solid, if the OEMs and networks didnt screw it up so much then it might still be a leading contender today.
as it is, WM is the best SMARTPHONE OS out there, in my opinion WP7 is the best Phone OS out there (android would fit in to this if it wasnt bloated and becoming more fragmented by the week) There is a big difference between Smartphone and phone, and iOS, android and WP do not fit the bill for a true smartphone.
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You get my vote, could not of worded it any better.
MS have to take some flack for not developing it faster & reducing OEM derived bugs by creating a base platform that did not need so much modding & stayed more in MS control.
WM is an amazing Phone OS & I find it so wasteful & short sighted on MS to of totally dumped it ...

se1988 said:
Android can meet your demands and more. Maybe WM is good enough for you, but give Android a try! I promise you, you will never go back
Why drive a Toyota Corolla, when you can have the Bugatti Veyron for free?
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Dude i'm driving a Suzuki swift 09 with 102HP and i would not swap it for buggati its too rich for my blood even for free... lol
For the os wm is the best out ther i use android just because it has whatsapp....
As i said before i dont bellive on the cloud..... it's stupid imo...
Android feels like a toy to me and suits more for teens WM feels like i have a smaller version of pc in my hand
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baraks said:
Dude i'm driving a Suzuki swift 09 with 102HP and i would not swap it for buggati its too rich for my blood even for free... lol
For the os wm is the best out ther i use android just because it has whatsapp....
As i said before i dont bellive on the cloud..... it's stupid imo...
Android feels like a toy to me and suits more for teens WM feels like i have a smaller version of pc in my hand
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Indeed WM is the smartest in base platform functionality & closest any phone OS has been to a notebook in your pocket.

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Indeed WM is the smartest in base platform functionality & closest any phone OS has been to a notebook in your pocket.
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is there a way that you can tell me the differance between th OS's WM Android and WP?
exept that Android is LiMO based.. i mean the overall difference...
UPDATE: (1.10 20:45 GMT+2) got back to WM6.5 21916 Energy ROM CHT2.0 4.7.11.... and it feel so GOOD
UPDATE: (2.10 2:33 GMT+2) Restored my NANDroid WM keeps on freezing

Well, I do agree that WM WAS a good OS. Just too bad that both support, myphone and marketplace has been discontinued, just to let WM die a silent death... At least Android is guaranteed to keep up for a long time to come
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baraks said:
is there a way that you can tell me the differance between th OS's WM Android and WP?
exept that Android is LiMO based.. i mean the overall difference...
UPDATE: (1.10 20:45 GMT+2) got back to WM6.5 21916 Energy ROM CHT2.0 4.7.11.... and it feel so GOOD
UPDATE: (2.10 2:33 GMT+2) Restored my NANDroid WM keeps on freezing
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Have a look at this link (if not done already!)for some comparisons comments on various OS's
If your WM is freezing you need to review HSPL/Radio & ROM build you are using & perhaps apps you install !
The 23699 is my favourite & most stable Energy ROM & the 290xx builds are good if you want newer ROMs (New does not always mean better) ...
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Well, I do agree that WM WAS a good OS. Just too bad that both support, myphone and marketplace has been discontinued, just to let WM die a silent death... At least Android is guaranteed to keep up for a long time to come
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No big deal never used it anyway.
I have all personal apps & work apps on my own server archive & also contacts are saved on server & via Gmail so we can access & install anywhere if needed.
Why rely on a 3rd party when you can be in control yourself.
As for Market appeal, personally I prefer sourcing apps originally via good old web searching & checking known bugs & best builds(latest ain't always greatest) ...
If you find installing loads of poor quality apps and never finding favourite version of an app again a great hobby then yes a market is a great tool !

i don't think it's HSPL/Radio ROM since i havn't changed them since last radio rom update (2.15.50.14)
maybe some app (i susspect the XDA_IE_6.1.cab)
and my favorite build is 21916, didnt like that the start is on the bottom bar...
btw when i Sync the Outlook all my appointments nd holydays are duplicated on the HD2 (and i didn't PIM backup before Sync)....

baraks said:
i don't think it's HSPL/Radio ROM since i havn't changed them since last radio rom update (2.15.50.14)
maybe some app (i susspect the XDA_IE_6.1.cab)
and my favorite build is 21916, didnt like that the start is on the bottom bar...
btw when i Sync the Outlook all my appointments nd holydays are duplicated on the HD2 (and i didn't PIM backup before Sync)....
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Interesting how we all differ as I find the lower start bar far easier for touch input ...
Have you tried these tools for duplicate cleaning ! never tested them myself but thought would mention them as you might want to review them;
TrineFix
Outlook Cleaner

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Interesting how we all differ as I find the lower start bar far easier for touch input ...
Have you tried these tools for duplicate cleaning ! never tested them myself but thought would mention them as you might want to review them;
TrineFix
Outlook Cleaner
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thanx i'll give it a try

Insurance can't replace HD2 so offered cash value - get another HD2?

My HD2 decided to go faulty so I claimed on the insurance I have with my bank account. After some faffing around with them not repairing it twice they have offered the cash equivalent of a HTC Trophy from Amazon.co.uk as the HD2 is no longer available new. They offered a HTC Legend but I said this was too low a spec when compared to the HD2.
I could get another HD2 off eBay and their cash settlement easily covers the cost. I am wondering whether this is a good move though as Windows Mobile 6.5 development seems to have ground to a halt. I cooked my own WM 6.5 ROM(s) but have suffered with the Phone Canvas issues, VoIP & earpiece issues, Bluetooth issues plus some other issues that I never really found fixes for.
I had Androind running off the SD card on the HD2 but it was never perfect, although this could have been down to the versions I was playing around with. Development for Android seems to be continuing (and gathering pace). I also installed Windows Phone 7 at one point but quickly removed it was just too restrictive (this was a while ago however so things may have changed?).
I could go full-on Android and get a HTC Desire HD for slightly more than a HD2 and again the insurance money easily covers this. I think all the features and software I had with the HD2 I can get (equivalents of?) with the DHD. Plus the DHD has the same physical dimensions as the HD2 so it should fit the HD2 car cradle?
The key uses of my HD2 were:
A phone - calls, contacts, SMS/MMS
Email - Exchange ActiveSync - plus hotmail with Windows Live and POP3/SMTP with my personal email.
SatNav - I use TomTom Navigator
Internet access
VoIP - I use SIP to get cheap calls when outside the UK.
I think everything except TomTom I can replace with Android equivalents.
Any advice?
Andy

Really I am always very surprised when I hear about HD2 with WM 6.5. Already using Android on NAND (MIUI) for 2 years and have never thought of returning to WM.
Dont know what to suggest. If I had the same, I probably took HD2 again. However in my country HD2 is a bit more expensive than Desire HD. Around 540 USD. Don't know about Amazon. Any possibility for you to add some extra money to the claimed one and buy Desire HD?

Synoptex said:
Really I am always very surprised when I hear about HD2 with WM 6.5. Already using Android on NAND (MIUI) for 2 years and have never thought of returning to WM.
Dont know what to suggest. If I had the same, I probably took HD2 again. However in my country HD2 is a bit more expensive than Desire HD. Around 540 USD. Don't know about Amazon. Any possibility for you to add some extra money to the claimed one and buy Desire HD?
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Hi and thanks for replying. The insurance money will more than cover buying either a HD2 or a Desire HD so the cost isn't the problem. I was just after some opinions/advice on whether to get another HD2 or something else based on my usage (satnav, email etc).
Andy

Desire Hd is a really good phone but if you like changing rom or OS hd2 is better
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replace ?
i had the screen go on my HD2 and just replaced the phone will get another screen and have 2 at some point ,I dont realy see another phone/ operating system around that is that much better than the Leo at the moment.I have ran Andriod and 7 but as nice as they are i just like my cookies home and all my apps. I would suggest getting a 2nd hand HD2 and keeping the change to maybee buy another phone in about a year as prices drop a lot (however not realy that fast on the Leo)
Regards Mark

To be honest, I don't see anything at the moment that is coming close to HD2 due to the versatility of the OS and options available. Sure, there are higher spec phones on the market, perhaps with better screens and dual core CPU, but it's not about the specs, is it? I have my T-Mobile HD2 and it gave me the opportunity to have the best of both worlds - Mango and Android running without any trouble. I was torn between WP7 and Android for some time, until Mango came along (thanks, Yuki and XBmod, among many others - you, guys, are the best) and the choice of dual booting was made. The biggest problem I am facing every day is what OS to start the day with, haha. A friend of mine has purchased Samsung Galaxy SII last weekend after giving up on Iphone and following my Android recommendations, but now he envies my HD2 running Android and WP7.5 because he likes it a lot too, HTC Hub made him cry with envy . So there he was, saying 'But it's a thousand dollar phone, why can't I have both too???'. He likes his phone very much and it is an impressive piece of electronics, but it's not HD2...
A few years ago and after many, many HTC smartphones, I got JasJar (HTC Universal) and reached a point where nothing that came on the market afterwards could lure me away. I still have it, but the only phone that could take its place in my heart is HD2.
So if you can't be bothered reading all of the above, what I am trying to say is yep, another HD2 would be something I would go for in your position. Best of luck.
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i had the screen go on my HD2 and just replaced the phone will get another screen and have 2 at some point ,I dont realy see another phone/ operating system around that is that much better than the Leo at the moment.I have ran Andriod and 7 but as nice as they are i just like my cookies home and all my apps. I would suggest getting a 2nd hand HD2 and keeping the change to maybee buy another phone in about a year as prices drop a lot (however not realy that fast on the Leo)
Regards Mark
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Or... you might want to part with the broken screen one, as in sell it to me, because I am looking for a mainboard to have another Leo repaired and used for development. Just a suggestion.

.................I am looking for a mainboard to have another Leo repaired and used for development. Just a suggestion.[/QUOTE]
Would do but was planning on getting the screen fixed so as to have a spare , however if thats not viable we will see
Regards Mark