[POLL] Stock vs tablet workspace - Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I would like to start this to see how many people use tablet workspace since it seems only a few roms seem to be embracing this. Please state what rom you are using and what you use to trigger tablet mode.
I am using PA 2.1.1 with small tab ui
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Stock rom rooted, rom toolbox to change my dpi, loving tablet mode just like paranoid on my phone
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PA 2.1 tablet ui (mid).
Don't like roms that shrink the nav bar too much either!

E_Goldstein said:
Stock rom rooted, rom toolbox to change my dpi, loving tablet mode just like paranoid on my phone
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I'm using tablet ui, liking it a lot
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Stock, rooted 4.1.1 here.
Used the local.prop DPI setting to get it into tablet mode and use the app "Set Orientation" to force the last remains (like lockscreen) into landscape for total tablet experience to my likes
Also I'm using GoLauncherEx, which works fine for me landscaped.

Alot of you are using a depreciated method of forcing tabUI by using dpi hacks. IMHO only sgt7 and PA are the only seamless roms that do this well. PA also lets you choose the navbar height independently.
Personally I would never run phabletUI on my tablet. That sounds funny
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PA 2.1 Phablet mode!!
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xopher.hunter said:
Alot of you are using a depreciated method of forcing tabUI by using dpi hacks.
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I wouldn't call it "depricated", I'd call it "the savest and most less intrusive way".
I don't want to flash a different ROM and I don't have to edit any system files - #1 way of doing it for me. And it works just fine

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HellcatDroid said:
I wouldn't call it "depricated", I'd call it "the savest and most less intrusive way".
I don't want to flash a different ROM and I don't have to edit any system files - #1 way of doing it for me. And it works just fine
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It may seem like its working fine but when I did it that way many apps were gone from my market (google play music, wallet off the top of my head) and the copy/paste bar was nowhere to be found when editing text.
Of course I could have messed something up and yours could be fine.
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xopher.hunter said:
It may seem like its working fine but when I did it that way many apps were gone from my market (google play music, wallet off the top of my head) and the copy/paste bar was nowhere to be found when editing text.
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About the apps, maybe I just got lucky so far and the ones I use on my N/ don't set the compatibility stuff in the way that makes them appear to be incompatible with the N7.
About the copy/paste bar, I just tried and yes, it's "gone" like you say.
But I use GoKeyboard and that has copy/paste buttons as well, so I can live with that for now

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What launchers?

Using the default at the mo.
Any one using anything else?
Apex? etc?
Curious if the default has all the pinch-zoom capabilities of Xscope. I can zoom any mobile page with Xscope, the only browser I found that does that on all sites (like FB).
drsuave said:
Using the default at the mo.
Any one using anything else?
Apex? etc?
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tcat007 said:
Curious if the default has all the pinch-zoom capabilities of Xscope. I can zoom any mobile page with Xscope, the only browser I found that does that on all sites (like FB).
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He meant launcher, not browser lol.
OP, I started apex, but realized what a pita it would be to set up, and said "I'm out" and uninstalled. It works though.
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I stuck with the default one since "My Library" doesn't show your library in Apex.
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He meant launcher, not browser lol.
OP, I started apex, but realized what a pita it would be to set up, and said "I'm out" and uninstalled. It works though.
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I don't think it does right now. I tried configuring it and, unless I'm missing something, it's stuck in tablet mode. It won't let me get rid of the Tablet app launcher in the top right and the search bar in the top left. Also, all of the icons don't scale right, so they're tiny compared to the stock launcher.
I'm going to roll with stock until Apex updates for JB.
I use Apex. Its really fast and fluid on jellybean!
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I tried apex I dont like the way it works on my tabs screen. It leaves a gap at the top.
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I use Nova. It's pretty great.
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I use Nova. It's pretty great.
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i so wanna swat that bug on your post.. Make it stop...
please .
'My Library' does work in Nova. I'm using Apex at the moment.
Kidromulous said:
I tried apex I dont like the way it works on my tabs screen. It leaves a gap at the top.
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The vertical and horizontal margin options will fix this. Just change it to small or none.
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Nova Prime
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sho...uncher] Showcase your launcher's performance!
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GoLauncher EX. I know there are newer ones, but it works, runs great, and is consistent with what's on my SGS2. Just never saw a reason to change.
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+1 for go launcher. Smoothest and most functional on jelly bean yet. Apex lags with a few icons on screen and nova has a few bugs that need to be ironed out for jelly bean. Go launcher never lags at all 6x10 grid. Plus themes work awesome And effects. Plus it has full features and its free.
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I've tried both nova and apex. Apex has some rescaling issues when redrawing icons in tablet mode. Nova is ok but it seems as if many of its features are reserved for the pay version.
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Tablet UI Questions

1. How do I put the N7 into Tablet UI? After its been rooted.
2. Is there any problems with the Tablet UI?
3. Do you think that it is better than the Hybrid UI?
4. Does the market not work after do you change it?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28236854
Some have problems with booting after changing, search for posts on dpi
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kboya said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28236854
Some have problems with booting after changing, search for posts on dpi
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i just did it on the krakd rom, it would not boot properly, i also lost my root. and cwm would not boot.
managed to get flash cwm again and restor.
i think i will just wait until there is more development on the nex7, im not a noob, but i like noob proof tools, i wanted to cry lol
bcvictory said:
1. How do I put the N7 into Tablet UI? After its been rooted.
2. Is there any problems with the Tablet UI?
3. Do you think that it is better than the Hybrid UI?
4. Does the market not work after do you change it?
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1) Use ES file explorer as root and edit build.prop LCD density to 160.
2) Not that I know of.
3) 100%
4) Works perfectly.
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I prefer portrait for most things, but like to use landscape on the homescreen when exiting a landscape app, so I will most likely use a launcher that supports rotation.
I just tried the Nova beta that supports JB, but on my Tab 2 7.0.
I'm starting to see why people are wanting the tablet UI back. I can only imagine it will be worse on N7 with the nav bar on the right side / notification bar at the top when in landscape.
What I would really like to see is a mod that will:
1) Resize the nav bar to 35dpi (47px) while keeping the notification bar 33px. This will give a usable screen of 800x1200 in portrait.
2) Move the nav bar and dock to the bottom of the screen in landscape (rather than keeping them on the right side of the screen). This would yield a usable screen size of 1280x720 (with the notification bar at the top).
For me, this would be the best mix of Tablet UI and Jellybean portrait only UI. So basically, the way ICS worked, but with the notifications moved to the top. And hopefully this can be done without editing the device DPI and causing all sorts of issues.
i used 170 dpi....loaded the go launcher............ gorgeous!!!
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i used 170 dpi....loaded the go launcher............ gorgeous!!!
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170 will not see all apps after cache is cleared from Google play.
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i dont understand... what does that mean and how do i prevent it???
I'll be waiting until devs get their hands on their N7's and build a modified navbar in roms, perhaps like in ParanoidAndroid.

Root, is it worth it?

I have my non rooted n7 and i have my rooted desire. I originally wanted to keep this stock and to enjoy its beauty out of the box.
However, i really want the tablet home screen, not the tablet status bar, softkeys or the phone ui in landscape. Just the type of launcher(home screen and app drawer) you get on other tablets. Now I really want to root to get a custom rom that does this but along with that comes some cons.
First is I want the ota's as this will be the first to get them as it is googles stock.
Second, I want Google wallet when it comes out in the UK on an ota, but Google warn users that rooting adds risk to gwallet which sounds bad. However I will get it earlier if i root, so I'm in a muddle ATM.
Lastly is if I do install a custom rom, it may have bugs cause the nexus just came out, can somebody maybe recommend a stable rom that suits my choice of a tablet launcher and a high benchmark rank. Do some apps and games fail to run on custom ROMs?
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Doesn't sound like you need to root, sounds like you just need a new launcher. Try Nova Launcher or Apex Launcher. OK, granted, you can't really do anything about the notification/status bar without going to a different ROM but maybe just give another launcher a try and see what you think. If that doesn't do it for you then maybe consider rooting and going with a mod that gives you a different status bar.
Originally, I said I don't want to change the soft keys and status bar plus I've tried Nova, but that's just the landscape phone ui and apex is bugged.
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I admit, I'm confused. How does a tablet home screen differ from a phone home screen?
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There is no left search bar in the tablet launcher, instead it is in the top left. Niether is there a dock, the app drawer shortcut is in the top right.
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i.amtom said:
There is no left search bar in the tablet launcher, instead it is in the top left. Niether is there a dock, the app drawer shortcut is in the top right.
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If those things are important to you then, yes, you'll probably have to root and install a new ROM but I don't know of any that'll address your needs, sorry. Guess I should've kept my mouth shut in the first place
Btw, do you want to use a tablet launcher in portrait or landscape? Honestly, I rarely use my Nexus 7 in landscape.
The dock is an option on all the launchers I've used. I've turned it off in each one. And I open my app drawer with an upward gesture on Nova and Apex. And I've turned off the search bar ... or I just don't notice it.
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short/y said:
If those things are important to you then, yes, you'll probably have to root and install a new ROM but I don't know of any that'll address your needs, sorry. Guess I should've kept my mouth shut in the first place
Btw, do you want to use a tablet launcher in portrait or landscape? Honestly, I rarely use my Nexus 7 in landscape.
The dock is an option on all the launchers I've used. I've turned it off in each one. And I open my app drawer with an upward gesture on Nova and Apex. And I've turned off the search bar ... or I just don't notice it.
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I was after landscape, but I think I'll stick without root, I just really want to try gwallet out but no date or anything has been given for the UK, and I'm 100% stores have it available...
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How much would you miss tablet UI?

Apparently it's going. I will really miss it. I don't think there is any need for two thick black bars on a 7 inch device. I like having the extra space and I like the aesthetics of the tablet UI, especially with a reduced nav bar. I don't know why they are removing tablet UI and if the devs can do anything about it. I hope they can! Will you miss it too or is it just me?
Edit: Turns out it's just a rumour, phew!
Most will miss the 10" tablet UI but honestly, I don't expect that I will. The centered buttons are not that big a deal and the "Odd" way the Nexus 7's notification system lurks around, unobtrusive enough that I probably won't care.
I will be more interested in things like Miracast support and web browsing performance than I will be in the UI changes.
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StrangerWeather said:
Apparently it's going. I will really miss it. I don't think there is any need for two thick black bars on a 7 inch device. I like having the extra space and I like the aesthetics of the tablet UI, especially with a reduced nav bar. I don't know why they are removing tablet UI and if the devs can do anything about it. I hope they can! Will you miss it too or is it just me?
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There are a bunch of ROMs with tablet UI actually. I'm using smooth ROM with it and its irreplaceable
I know, I'm on PA, but once the update kicks in the ROMs won't have tablet UI. Correct me if I'm wrong!
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I will miss it alot. I do not see why they would get rid of something like that.
Btw where did you see it was removed and are we talking about the 4.2 update?
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I thought I would hate it when I first saw it
But honestly, I like it. I was forced to use it for the first month before I rooted my n7, and I got used to it. Then I installed a tabui ROM and imo it doesn't work properly on a 7 inch screen. I know a lot will disagree but I am just sayin
I use the normal phone ui now, its just more consistent and easier to use for me. If I want more screen space, I will remove the bars with 'expand desktop' on the ROMs I use
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Devs will port it over it's not going anywhere
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DirtyShroomz said:
Devs will port it over it's not going anywhere
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things i hate about standard nexus 7 UI
no quick access to brightness. in tablet UI i can quickly tap the time in lower left hand corner and adjust brightness on the fly.. cant do that with nexus 7 UI
i hate how i dont get Tablet APPs and instead get the phone app for youtube gmail etc..
those are the only things that make me to to tablet ui..
if i could have quick access to Brightness AND native tablet youtube and gmail apps in the standard nexus 7 UI then id be fine.
i really do love the expanded youtube app in tablet UI 4 nice rows in portrait mode compared to phone youtube app. yuck.
Yea the tablet mode is supreme. If it doesn't "work" right then it isn't implemented right. EOS has it so stupidly simple that it is a godsend. You can enable/disable it on the fly and it doesn't screw with your other apps. Just combines the bars into 1.
The notification pulldown menu on the stock UI is horrible. Needs fullscreen or something. Looks tacked on like an afterthought.
I will be disappointed once 4.2 hits and it goes away. Remember tablet UI has to be present to unlock it. Google may remove it completely to streamline their OSs.
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Yea the tablet mode is supreme. If it doesn't "work" right then it isn't implemented right. EOS has it so stupidly simple that it is a godsend. You can enable/disable it on the fly and it doesn't screw with your other apps. Just combines the bars into 1.
The notification pulldown menu on the stock UI is horrible. Needs fullscreen or something. Looks tacked on like an afterthought.
I will be disappointed once 4.2 hits and it goes away. Remember tablet UI has to be present to unlock it. Google may remove it completely to streamline their OSs.
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Someone somewhere will find a way...
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xopher.hunter said:
I will miss it alot. I do not see why they would get rid of something like that.
Btw where did you see it was removed and are we talking about the 4.2 update?
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Yes, apparently the update doesn't allow for tablet UI. I read about it over on the PA thread.
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StrangerWeather said:
Yes, apparently the update doesn't allow for tablet UI. I read about it over on the PA thread.
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Link?
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It's all over the place in the ROMs threads but there is a discussion kinda starting here in the PA thread:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33692765 . Reading this again there seems to be some uncertainty about it. So that's something I guess...
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No one knows what Google have done with the code and the xml layouts until they release 4.2 sources. Until then your guess is as good as mine.
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YouTube tablet ui?

I'm running stock 4.2.1 with Franco.kernel 38. I really like stock and don't really want to switch. Is there anyway I'm able to force apps like YouTube to use the tablet ui versions other then the phablet/phone ui?
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1pop23 said:
I'm running stock 4.2.1 with Franco.kernel 38. I really like stock and don't really want to switch. Is there anyway I'm able to force apps like YouTube to use the tablet ui versions other then the phablet/phone ui?
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There's something called Xposed framework and a module for it called Xposed settings that can change the DPI of individual apps; however I don't know if it can change the layout though.
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There's no such layout anymore. You can downgrade to version 4.1 of the app though
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There's no such layout anymore. You can downgrade to version 4.1 of the app though
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Thats a shame as the YouTube layout for mobile is seems really bad in my opinion.
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