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Coming to 3.0 from Gtablet

I'm looking at the 3.0 tabs and given the Asus' supply shortage it's down to the Xoom and Acer Iconia. Anyone want to weigh in on their Xoom experiences?

After selling my GTablet a month ago I purchased a wifi XOOM and despite my biggest grip of no sdcard w/out rooting I love the XOOM. I am staying with stock for as long as I can until ROM's come out frequently like they did/do with GTab. For a stock rom this is a great device and the cosmetic look and feel for me is much better than the Gtablet.
Go with the Xoom!!!

i sold my gtab and got a xoom, its awesome!

Yep me too returned my GTAb and got the Xoom. Since it came with 3.0 it was worth the extra money to me.

i had a gtab for a while until the hardware failed. luckily it was right under the 30 day return time frame so i could re-allocate my funds to a much better device. the screen on the g tab really annoyed me. not that i use my tab in the vertical position a lot, but when i do want to use it in the vertical position i don't want it to give me a headache. Also the lack of accessories was somewhat annoying. all i wanted was a descent folio case that i didn't have to modify, but at the time i had a gtab that wasn't an option.

I just yesterday bought a xoom after being in the same spot you are in. Let me start by saying between the xoom and the acer the two major things I was noticing was the screen difference and the battery life. Yes I have held both in my hands and the screen on the zoom just looks a lot better, even at the same resolution. Maybe its because the acer is using an lcd?
And the xoom has about an 1 1/2 hours better battery life.
And then there's the big difference of having more memory out of the box. (Well... depending, where I bought the acer only had a 16gb option avail)
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Do not get the Acer one, I have used it and it feels cheap as all hell. The Xoom feels much better in the hand and the lock button placement was extremely smart. Typing on both devices was pretty easy (although I recommend ThumbKeyboard 4.0 beta 3 best keyboard for Honeycomb thus far) and their UI s don't differ at all. In all honesty, if you want the best Honeycomb tablet I would recommend the G Slate, but since you are stuck with tthese two, go with the Xoom, the developer support will be stronger (stock as the Nexus series) the updates will come quicker and finally, the device just feels better. If you are into Modding, then you can mod the SD card into the Xoom, you can apply kernels that can overclock the Xoom up to 1.5ghz, and then there is the UA string fix that I am not sure of they have fixed it on the other tablets or not, but they have fixed it on the Xoom. Get the Xoom for sure, it is probably the second best Honeycomb tablet, or the third... First being the G Slate, and second being the Asus Transform.
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Smokexz said:
In all honesty, if you want the best Honeycomb tablet I would recommend the G Slate, but since you are stuck with these two, go with the Xoom, the developer support will be stronger (stock as the Nexus series) the updates will come quicker and finally, the device just feels better.
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I decided against getting the TMO G-Slate (I also have a SGS Vibrant with T-Mobile) because of the smaller screen and lack of hardware SD card slot. While the XOOM lacks an SD card slot as well, all that is needed is a software update to enable it (already available unofficially).
I, too agree that the XOOM will receive better support, etc. To this day, I have yet to the G-Slate given a proper forum here at XDA. I've either tried or owned many of the other tablet choices that have become available. The XOOM has the best quality build IMO. Every day more places are selling them. Sam's club just started and Sprint will sell the WiFi version within a week. Availability will be key to which one will succeed.
The XOOM's price is also good as is since it's the same price as the 32GB iPad yet does way more. I've seen people claim the ASUS Tablet is cheaper but some are comparing the 16GB version which is silly!

I like to rip on Motorola for releasing a half-baked device, but the fact is that I really have only a single gripe with the Xoom (buggy bluetooth). Other than that, I love it to death.
Build quality is really top-notch. The thing feels solid and is comfortable to hold (especially in landscape mode). If I were still out there trying to select a tablet, I would pick the Xoom again even with the knowledge that some features would be delayed... and delayed again. Like I say, I have had problems with the bluetooth. I'd like to use this as a netbook from time to time, but the Xoom doesn't play well with bluetooth keyboards. They work... just not very well. I expect that the next update will solve this problem though.
In other words, once Motorola and have patched Honeycomb, I honestly think that the Xoom will be the best tablet for this generation of tablets. Developer support is there. Unlocked bootloader, etc.... Just expect a few moments of frustration in the meanwhile.

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I like to rip on Motorola for releasing a half-baked device, but the fact is that I really have only a single gripe with the Xoom (buggy bluetooth). Other than that, I love it to death.
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It's funny you say that because it was chosen for a particular project because of it's bluetooth support. Having 3 android devices at the ready, I tested them all to determine their fitness for a particular work purpose. Out of an SGS Vibrant (mine), iPad 1st Gen (not mine) and XOOM (mine). I found that only the XOOM could properly handle serial communication over bluetooth (SPP profile). I get better than expected range, it seems well shielded from interference and it hasn't dropped a byte. So it's hopefully just one or more software glitch(es) with the HID profile.

I stand behind my purchase a 110%. When you pull it out next to an iOS device people just gather around. I'm not comparing - just stating my experience. They want to know what, it, is. Then I tell them the story of the Matrix and I say its a Xoom. They want to look at it but its almost like they are afraid. Its like its too much device for them. Just saying.

I bought my Xoom about a week ago, and I couldn't be happier with it. I had been researching Android tablets for a while, and it came down to either the Xoom or the Asus Transformer. Given that the transformer is next to impossible to find and that Motorola is a reputable company with a good track record, I decided to go with the Xoom. I haven't rooted mine yet since I haven't had a resason to do it yet, but it's awesome that Motorola gave us an unlocked boot loader.
Go with the Xoom for sure over the Acer.

Xoom vs TF101 vs Galaxy 10.1 vs iPad2

Hey all,
Figured I'd pass on my opinions of these devices, and since I finally chose the TF, I figured I'd get the least flames posting here - lol. Looooong time gadget geek/hacker going way back to the Palm Pilot days. If it was a tech gadget, and particularly if it was internet capable, I probably owned one. My current phones are a HTC Desire Z (w/ NAM AT&T 3G) running CM7, and an iPhone 4 jailbroken.
Over the past couple of months I've owned (or still own) the Xoom, iPad 2, TF101 (w/dock) and GTab 10.1. I still own all but the Xoom, and here's a few of my thoughts on all of them and why I'll be keeping the TF.
Xoom - Well built, sturdy, and nice design. Lousy screen (comparitively) and lack of promised features like LTE and the SD Card werre a bummer, but my biggest reason for selling that one was the screen, and seeming lack of "responsiveness" from Moto on the device. Plus I knew cooler devices were coming soon.
iPad 2 - Not yet Jailbroken (grrr) but it's still a suprisingly good media consumption device as is. I go the 32GB AT&T model, and have used it for a couple of trips as a laptop replacement. It'll be cooler when I can JB it, but since I have a fiarly big investment in iOS software, I'll probably keep it a while. Not real impressed with it's Safari performance, considering all the hub-bub about how fast it is. But it does do games great, is slick and trouble free, and nice sized with a great (smart-cover) solution.
Galaxy Tab 10.1 - I got this one on Sunday, so I haven't given it a whole lot of time. It's a beautiful, "Apple like" device from a design perspective. Also the screen while very saturated, is very nice, light weight and thinness also gets it lots of oooohs and aaawwwws from everybody. I hate that Samsung doesn't allow direct mounting of the internal storage, and we're forced to use that awful KIES software. I've just been using Drobbox and all my music is in the Google cloud. This one would have been my second choice if I didn't already have (and love) the...
Transformer 101- now this one is my keeper. A lot has to do wth the dock - I'm an "ultraportable" laptop fan (current Lenovo x220) so I like smaller laptops, and man this thing makes a damn good laptop substitute with tablet caapabilities. The screen is gorgeous, the responsiveness of the OS is equal to or better than the other Androids, and even beats iPad when Safari is sucking wind. I love the quick controls in the browser (missing in the Tab) and that it feels like there's a really robust community developing for this device. I'm not rooted on any of these yet, and actually pretty content like that. Therre's a few things I'd do with root (and anti ad hosts file for one!) but for the most part I'm ok with them as is. When I start to get bored I'll probably root this too.
I sold the Xoom about a month aftr I bought it, I'll keep the iPad (partly for the fun things to try like iOS 5 and it's great for kids to play games on) but the Tab is going back to BB (restocking fee be damned.
I just really like the versatility of the TF w/dock. I have it paired with a small BT mouse and it's like a pretty full featured laptop, that goes into Tablet mode at the flick of a switch. Still on the hunt for the slimmest folio case for it that allows it to be propped up for typing, but the kybd dock does that for now.
Hope these tips help some people interested in any of these, remember their just mmy opinions and everybody has different needs and required attributes that may differ from mine. Either way their all fun.
If anybody has any question about my experiences, fire away, love to chat gadget talk abou the cool toys.
-Joel

well played!

Shouldnt be a restocking fee witjin 14 days. I returned a tab a few weeks ago to wait for tf no issues
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gottahavit said:
Shouldnt be a restocking fee witjin 14 days. I returned a tab a few weeks ago to wait for tf no issues
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Good to know thaks, I'll push and see what they say, thanks for the heads up!

Good Post. Thanks.
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I quite agree with you.
From all these devices i tried the iPad 2 and the ASUS transformer.
Im already acquainted with iOS and although its simple and intuitive it's kind of boring. im quite into personalizing my device which the iOs wont really allow.
The bigger and wide screen on the transformer is really nice, and although build-wise it may seems "cheaper" then the iPad (everything that is not shiny-aluminum-ultra-appleish is cheap nowdays) its a comfortable device to hold in the hand.
Price-wise the transformer costs less, + the keyboard dock which increases battery life and also allows you to use it as a netbook.
Performance seems to be almost identical on both A5 and the Tegra 2. BUT the transformer is overclockable, therefore you can squeeze some more juice out of it.
I didnt use the other two, but by reviews i understood that the xooms screen is washed out and not all that great, and the lack of a MicroSD on all of the three (xoom,iPad,GT10.1) is meh-ish.

just picked up mine last night after doing a lil bit of reseasch for a week or so glad i chose this one,, love you wife she bought for me.. BAMBAM

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Thanks for the comparison.
Regarding TF and Tab 10.1 screens, which do you prefer? Which is nicer for news/e-book reading? Does Tab 10.1 oversaturation mess with your eyes?

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I hate that Samsung doesn't allow direct mounting of the internal storage, and we're forced to use that awful KIES software.
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Don't agree with this point. I had the Tab 10.1 for about 3-4 days and I had it mounted on my PC as a plug-play device and was able to transfer files directly. All your need is to install the proper USB drivers from the Samsung US site

myself11 said:
Thanks for the comparison.
Regarding TF and Tab 10.1 screens, which do you prefer? Which is nicer for news/e-book reading? Does Tab 10.1 oversaturation mess with your eyes?
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Yes it does. Although the Galaxy screen seems better than the TF , its for sure over saturated and hurts your eyes if watched closely for lot of time.

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Don't agree with this point. I had the Tab 10.1 for about 3-4 days and I had it mounted on my PC as a plug-play device and was able to transfer files directly. All your need is to install the proper USB drivers from the Samsung US site
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Yeah, you could be right. I'm just so happy with the flexibility of the TF that for now (and for now could be 1-3 months lol) it's the one I'm choosing. IAs I stressed, this is just my humble opinion, hope everybody is happy with their respective choices.

glad to see that are still people who can choose between products without trashing another.
i'm stlll not sure if i'll send my tf back. i do like the versatility it has but seeing that i am keeping my gt 10.1 it's really hard to justify keeping it.

I don't think the keyboard dock can be stressed enough, and I wish I saw more advertising from Asus around the tremendous increase in productivity it provides. It's really not "just" an external keyboard or dock. It really does turn the TF into a completely different class of machine.
That said, I'll admit that if it weren't for the dock, I'd probably opt for the GT 10.1. I don't really use the microSD card I have in my TF right now, and I doubt I'll ever use HDMI. So if choosing between the two on the screen, size and weight alone, I'd probably lean toward the GT. However, man, the keyboard dock makes me want to stick with the TF no matter what else might be out there. As someone who needs to be able to write long-form stuff anywhere, I can't think of a better device than the TF...
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i'd have to suppose the lack of advertising is one major factor for the price of the tablet. moto, apple, samsung all have commercials yet i've not seen one asus commercial, not even for their laptops.

To each his own I guess. I played with them all as well including the acer and viewsonic and kept the wifi Xoom. I really wanted to like the Asus because of price but it was just as bulky as my xoom and had serious build quality issues. The Asus screen was great, the quality around the screen, not so much. Enjoy your new toy dude. Aint technology fun
The only one I haven't played with is the tab 10.1, I secretly want one but Samsung and I have bad history.
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That said, I'll admit that if it weren't for the dock, I'd probably opt for the GT 10.1. I don't really use the microSD card I have in my TF right now, and I doubt I'll ever use HDMI. So if choosing between the two on the screen, size and weight alone, I'd probably lean toward the GT. However, man, the keyboard dock makes me want to stick with the TF no matter what else might be out there. As someone who needs to be able to write long-form stuff anywhere, I can't think of a better device than the TF...
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This!
The dock is the absolute biggest reason for my choice. With my BT mouse (dislike trackpads) I feel like I'm using a real computer, with 16hr batter life and tablet flexibility. Love the shape, size and design of both the iPad and Tab 10.1, but just love the flexibility of the keybd dock too much - at least for the next 90 days or so. ;-)

a042349 said:
This!
The dock is the absolute biggest reason for my choice. With my BT mouse (dislike trackpads) I feel like I'm using a real computer, with 16hr batter life and tablet flexibility. Love the shape, size and design of both the iPad and Tab 10.1, but just love the flexibility of the keybd dock too much - at least for the next 90 days or so. ;-)
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I know about the 90 day shelf life all too well
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wynand32 said:
I don't think the keyboard dock can be stressed enough, and I wish I saw more advertising from Asus around the tremendous increase in productivity it provides. It's really not "just" an external keyboard or dock. It really does turn the TF into a completely different class of machine.
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Not just a different class of machine, but two machines!

My 2 Bitz
Ok, I'm a little late to the game... but if anyone buys one of these tablets second hand.... like I just did, then here goes nothing: I bought a Motorola XOOM wifi (32gb) and an Asus TF101 (16gb) (and I nearly bought a Galaxy Tab 1 and an iPad Gen. 1). It's my first tablet; I haven't yet figured out what I'm gonna do with it, but there ya go.
Samsung Galaxy Tab 1: I passed on the Sammy because it did not have an SD card slot.
iPad Gen. 1: I passed on the iPad because.... well, it's an iPad. About as useful as a maxi-pad to me. I was put off by the closed system. It means far less choices for free or hard-to-get apps (of the kind I might need), and limited storage with no SD card options. It wouldn't do, even for a kid's tablet. (Despite the fact I have an iPhone....).
Asus Transformer Eee Pad TF101: I really wish they would have stuck to one name, and left it at that. What was the original name? The "Asus Transormer Mario Consuela Maria Concito Esperanto Gonzalez Eeee Pad TF-101"?
Motorola Xoom: Anyway, it came down to Asus and the Xoom. And boy, I had a hard time deciding. So hard, I spent 3 days of my life testing these two tablets, up, down, backwards and forwards. I ended up settling on the Xoom, but first, the Asus....
The Asus has a gorgeous screen, compared to the Xoom. The TF101 is sharper, more clarity, brighter, blacks and whites are more darker and brighter, respectively. Better contrast and angle viewing, and reading books is less of a strain with a more muted white for the background.
THe sound of the Asus however, is like slamming a suitcase lid down on twelve kittens while Freddy Krueger scratches his name out on the chalkboard. It's the ridiculous choice of stuffing really tiny speakers so they can fire out both sides of the unit. Even EQ'ing the thing with Viper4FX could not hide the tinny shortcomings of the speaker sound. Which also had a tendency to break up at louder volumes (its particularly keen to distorting around 500hz). Connected to a stereo though, was quite another matter.
Though much less bass, richness and body, the Asus resolved timbre better than the Xoom on music program material, output through a stereo via headphone jacks. However, I still preferred the sound of the XOoms (yes, "Xooms" as in I had TWO Xooms to compare), because the Asus was causing some degree of stress through its sound and picture, as compared with the calmer energy of the Xooms.
The construction of the Asus was nice in parts (ie. color, back design, aluminum frame)... but the superb construction, design, looks, case and smaller size of the Xooms is what pushed me toward the Motorola choice. I have not seen any tablet as well built as the Xoom. The Xoom has a timeless design and hough it is heavy on the wrist if you have to hold it up, it just feels nicer in the hand than the ultra-wide Transformer; which appears more dated due to its size and design. The really nice charging dock and 32gb internal (vs 16gb of Asus) also helped me accept the inferior colors and viewing angle of the Xoom. I also liked the nice design of the various white & green charging LEDs, around the screen of the Xoom - the Asus has none of that. I was not enamored by the fact that Asus required special prorpietary data cables, where the Xoom uses microUSB. What also pushed me toward the Xoom was the mediocre camera in the Asus. No flash and grainy photos (though it let in an unusual amount of light, despite or because of no flash... but it was too much light, and washed out detail at times). The Xoom 5mp camera was excellent... perhaps better than that on my iPhone. I like the idea of snapping pictures on a tablet, because of the large viewfinder.
I'm kind of a stickler when it comes to design. On pure performance and lightness of weight, the Asus wins. But you might not feel like a winner, trying to listen to vidoes and music on those tinny built in speakers for extended periods of time.
My wife has a Samsung Tab 4, and comparing it with the Asus, I don't find the Tab 4 any much better in any way, and in some ways, not as a good (it has a cheaper build, for example).

What other tablets look good?

I have not yet bought the xoom. But it is the leader in the group of four that I am looking at. I am not sure how I will use the tablet to be honest, so I want the one with the most features possible and the best apps. I am a software engineer, so I can "get it to work", but would prefer something nice out of the box.
Hardware wish list: GPS, Bluetooth, Wifi, 3G, HDMI, USB, SD card, good battery list, replaceable battery.
Software wish list: Napster, Netflix, great video player, good flash rendering, ease of data transfer.
Accessories wish list: nice integrated docking/keyboard if possible.
What do you think about any of these models
1) Motorola Xoom
2) Toshiba Thrive
3) Lenova thinkpad, ideapad
4) asus eee transformer

imo you make choice between:
xoom
samsung
ipad
you will not get everything,eg,ipad has best apps but no microsd and high cost.
xoom has microsd but not that much apps as ipad do have.

i hear great things about the Thrive. it would be my choice if i didnt own a xoom. The Iconia is pretty nice too.

If I didn't own the Xoom I'd own a Transformer. Assuming I didn't need the data. Hands on experience with both.

consider this in your comparison as it looks good
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1273078

If I were buying today, I'd checkout the Lenovo Thinkpad Android Tablet as it has a stylus for handwriting. They also make an Ideapad model which is more consumer oriented.

balaams_ass, what do you mean by
Assuming I didn't need the data.
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thebrenda said:
balaams_ass, what do you mean by ??
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it is with reference to internal storage and micro sd card slot

rohit3192 said:
it is with reference to internal storage and micro sd card slot
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I think it's in reference to the Xoom and the iPad both having Wireless Network Carrier support. Whereas I believe the Thrive and the Transformer are both Wifi only.

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If I were buying today, I'd checkout the Lenovo Thinkpad Android Tablet as it has a stylus for handwriting. They also make an Ideapad model which is more consumer oriented.
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reviews about their ideapad say it sucks as hell and very buggy, i guess there will be no difference with the thinkpad, i am glad i didn't get the ideapad

I would have to say if I wasn't that into Motorola, I would go with Samsung and their Galaxy Tab 10.1. It has a sleek design, is thin, light weight, and a good choice in my opinion. It has a weaker camera because of the redesign to make it slimmer and lighter than before, but still is a rockin' good Honeycomb tablet no doubt!

>What other tablets look good?
The ones coming next month, alongside ICS release.
Example: The Toshiba Excite (AT200), follow-up of Thrive, is thinnest tablet, with micro-USB/SD/HDMI.
If you need one now, then buy it now. Otherwise, it's close to the start of the next product cycle. Not good to buy old toys just as new toys are about to be released.

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data plan - most don't have 3G or 4G hardware; only WIFI

Sony for style. then it's just the xoom
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Sony for style. then it's just the xoom
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....my thoughts exactly

I had the Thrive. It was awful. Hardware failure within the first day.
Overall even when I had the chance to use it (for 45 minutes) It wasnt super responsive. I couldnt care less about the ports and the size was not natural for a tablet.
Im glad I went to the XOOM. Better build quality all around and it just feels like a solid tablet with solid features (and support in the future).
Galaxy was nice but no SD if I remember correctly. And no ports. Screen was nice but it actually looked a little too bright (if thats possible)
The IdeaPad I played with was supper buggy and laggy - and its build quality disappointed me for a Lenovo product - way too much flex. Flex is a concern for me considering what these machines are meant to do on a day to day basis.
All in all its best to just play with them. I went to best buy and went to town on all of the tablets. Good luck!

Iv had the thrive, advent vega and now the XOOM the wife owns an ipad 2. I hated the thrive the day I got it im big on the latest tech and always move with the times and the thrive was like a step backwards laggy and buggy as hell. The vega is awesome for the price and has honeycomb when rooted and all the ports you cood need however screen quality and looks ect are nothing compared to my XOOM its a top quality product. I tested a galaxy tab 10.1 that I got sent to review and would say that they have made a lot of sacrifices for the slimness. As for the wifes iPad2 its like Apple still own it when you buy it ahha
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I think the Sony Tablet S looks pretty good, and the unique style is growing on me a lot. Of all the reviews I've read of it they all say the shape gives it a better 'feel' in terms of just having it in your hands and carrying it around.
Second place? I don't care what anybody says, the Xoom is a sexy beast. It has the best screen ratio IMO and edge to screen proportion. No front buttons is awesome and kind of underrated. It looks somewhere between "tough and functional" and "sleek".
Happy spendings!

I had an Iconia tab, and if gps is important, avoid it, as it's only A-GPS. You have to be connected to wifi to get a lock, which wasn't working all that well for me. I picked up a Xoom and haven't looked back. One thing that impressed me was the build quality. The Xoom feels so well built its not even funny. I think that this thing could take a bullet, it feels that solid.
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Is Xoom the answer?

Hello all.
I am a owner of a new Asus Transformer Prime (it's my first tablet). I'm really frustrated with a few issues; mainly the wifi is spotty and the GPS is barely functional. I'm debating on whether or not I should return it and get a Xoom.
I know the Prime has a few better specs (super IPS, quad-core), but I would rather have a dependable and fully-functioning device than the latest and greatest with some issues that need to be kinked out.
Are there any annoying issues with Xoom or should I just pull the trigger?
Edit: Returned the Prime and got the Xoom. I've had it for a couple days now; I like it much better than the Prime. Everything works and the build quality is better.

You'll be disappointed with the screen coming from IPS. Going from the Xoom to the Xyboard, the screen quality difference is night and day. The Xoom will also be noticeably slower I'm sure, though it's better with some of the ICS builds out there. Does custom roms matter to you or do you want a tablet that has high build quality and works damned well? Xyboard would be my answer if it's the latter, unless you're considering the Xoom because of budget or for custom roms.
Can see my Xyboard review here...

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I don't want to drop the money on the newer Motorola tablet. I'm trying to keep it lower than the $500 price point. I'm looking to get a device that is issue-free (for the most part). I don't need the latest and greatest.
The Prime might be faster, but not when the stupid WiFi on the thing cuts out. Page loading just comes to a dead stop.

I'm sure those problems will be short lived. You have the best device on the market arm. Be patient.
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skinien said:
Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I don't want to drop the money on the newer Motorola tablet. I'm trying to keep it lower than the $500 price point. I'm looking to get a device that is issue-free (for the most part). I don't need the latest and greatest.
The Prime might be faster, but not when the stupid WiFi on the thing cuts out. Page loading just comes to a dead stop.
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I have owned the Wifi only Xoom since April and it was already my third Android tablet. I had wanted to buy the original transformer, but they weren't available, so I bought the Xoom, and I'm so glad I did!
The Xoom has a super build, great wifi and real, not 'assisted,' gps, fast dual core cpu that can be overclocked up to 1.7 ghz (I can run stable at 1.6) with custom Honeycomb roms/kernels and active ICS development. My screen is just fine...naturalistic colors won't pop your eyes out, but a non-glare screen protector makes it easier to see in sunlight. That's not been a problem for me. In case you can't tell, I love my Xoom. Some of these guys just want newest/fastest and couldn't care less about what really works.

I have both and definitely returning this second prime I have. The xoom might be slower in what, game?! maybe, not that I notice. Benchmark I could careless, more interested real world performance. The xoom with 5 megapixel camera is better in my comparison, beside megapixel means nada. Xoom video recording in low light blows the Prime out the water, high light doesn't matter they all perform well, hell even my 2 year old Evo 4 g is good in high or day light. Only thing I like about the prime over the xoom is super IPS for outdoor, weight, and battery (a bit better than the xoom). But with the screen bleed, dead pixel on both unit I have, flipping non usable GPS, IMO the Prime RIGHT now is not worth the high price. I got my xoom a couple week ago from best buy open box for 348.
If you can get the xoom for cheap I say go for it. if your paying over 400 I say wait til the problem for Prime to get sorted out or wait for something to drop after CES, that's my thought.

Well, I returned the prime and got the wifi xoom for 399. Better product. Really happy with it!
Looking forward to overclocking this thing. I know that Google has released AOSP ICS for the xoom... looking forward to messing with that too.
The internet speed is EXTREMELY faster on the Xoom. The browsing experience is much better.
I went through the GPS fiasco with the Galaxy S. I have learned not to tolerate a malfunctioning device with hope that the bug can/will be fixed through an OTA.
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The Xoom is horrible. No redeeming qualities at all. If you're considering a switch the Transformer is a much much better choice.
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MikeyMike01 said:
The Xoom is horrible. No redeeming qualities at all. If you're considering a switch the Transformer is a much much better choice.
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Wow, do you even own one?
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skinien said:
Well, I returned the prime and got the wifi xoom for 399. Better product. Really happy with it!
Looking forward to overclocking this thing. I know that Google has released AOSP ICS for the xoom... looking forward to messing with that too.
The internet speed is EXTREMELY faster on the Xoom. The browsing experience is much better.
I went through the GPS fiasco with the Galaxy S. I have learned not to tolerate a malfunctioning device with hope that the bug can/will be fixed through an OTA.
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Great choice...I don't think you'll regret it. There are lots of resources/guides for rooting/flashing custom roms/kernels, including the quite stable ICS alpha nightlies, and I think you'll enjoy your Xoom for quite a while to come.

I would have stuck it out cause once the few launch issues are fixed it will be an awesome tablet. I understand the budget and wanting in on the tablet fun now though. The xoom is really easily the next choice. I like it and I can't wait to see how much better it gets with ICS coming from motorola to fix the last few items missing.

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Thanks for the input but can you give reasons for your strong opinion?

okantomi said:
Great choice...I don't think you'll regret it. There are lots of resources/guides for rooting/flashing custom roms/kernels, including the quite stable ICS alpha nightlies, and I think you'll enjoy your Xoom for quite a while to come.
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Thanks! I've been playing with it for a few hours now and I love it so far. The Prime had a better screen but the Xoom seems to be a solid device. The Prime had touch screen issues, GPS issues, WiFi issues, the SINGLE speaker was too quiet, and the Xoom is much more comfortable to hold. The Prime's thin, tapered edges gave it an awkward feeling.
I'm going to mess around with it stock for a few days and then I'm going to dig into the development section.

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The Xoom is horrible. No redeeming qualities at all. If you're considering a switch the Transformer is a much much better choice.
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I'm pretty sure you don't own one at all with that comment.
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latinmaxima said:
I would have stuck it out cause once the few launch issues are fixed it will be an awesome tablet. I understand the budget and wanting in on the tablet fun now though. The xoom is really easily the next choice. I like it and I can't wait to see how much better it gets with ICS coming from motorola to fix the last few items missing.
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When I first bought my Galaxy S, there were issues with lag and GPS. I "stuck it out" thinking that the issues would be fixed with OTA's and development. They haven't. Like I said in the OP, I have learned my lesson and won't put up with a product that malfunctions on day of purchase.

Then you would have sold your xoom on its initial release. Don't get me wrong I love my xoom...but would have gladly traded it for your prime
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Then you would have sold your xoom on its initial release. Don't get me wrong I love my xoom...but would have gladly traded it for your prime
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What was wrong with the Xoom on release? And yes, I would have returned the Xoom if it wasn't working properly either. Its dumb to keep a device that is flawed until you're certain that it can/will be fixed. That isn't the case for the Prime. Considering that the Prime's WiFi gets 1/10 of the speeds as my phone and Xoom (in addition to cutting out completely) it was very frustrating to use. There was also a non-functional GPS, touch screen response issues, yellow/washed out screen, and too many force closes. Who knows which if these issues are fixable and will be fixed. Comparing the Xoom and Prime in their CURRENT state, the Xoom is better.
A device needs more than fancy hardware to work properly.
Edit: Oh, and the single speaker on the Prime is horrible.

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Wow, do you even own one?
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I did, for 85 days before it went back to Costco.
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@Skinien: glad to hear you're enjoying your new Xoom, bro. Of the 1st generation crop of 10.1" Honeycomb tablets the Xoom is, IMHO, the most well-rounded of the bunch as far as function and, to a lesser extent, form. I was all but dead set on buying a Transformer Prime until reading about your experience with it.
@MikeyMike01: What exactly was wrong with the Xoom that left a sour taste?
@LatinMaxima: I agree. I flashed an ICS ROM for a few minutes a few days ago and loved it. The little pet peeves I have with Honeycomb like having to refresh the GMail widgets and the Market two or three times before each use are fixed. It looks and feels much more polished but the lack of camera functionality and bluetooth are dealbreakers for me so it's Honeycomb until those issues are fixed.
For now, my Xoom serves my needs well and will stay with me...pending any upcoming CES and MWC announcements.

@MikeyMike01
>I did, for 85 days before it went back to Costco.
So you took a $600 Xoom and used it for 3 months before returning it. In effect you cost the company $600. Way to abuse the store's return policy. It's people like you that raise prices and destroys return policies for the rest of us.
Your tag line says you're a developer. Let's hope what goes around, comes around.

About to sell before the Nexus tablet

Hi all,
I'm about to sell my 7.7 its a great device but the OS sluggyness (more than a second to unluck is not right) is getting on my nerves.
Its clear this isnt going to get any form of regular updates so to stave my losses on it I'm going to sell this now and ideally do so before the Google Tablet arrives.
Is a great machine but with the lack of dev community its a no go for any early adopters liking to play.
Real shame samsung.
btk

Is this where we post "Cool story bro"?

Just remove the lock option if its peeing you off,
i don't have it set on mine so its instant off,
also use another launcher or if you like the stock launch then just have it set with the single home screen,
i currently use the TW launcher with 1 home screen and 2 widgets no problems,
have come close to buying another tablet but there isn't one that feels as good a the 7.7...

I still cannot believe that the nexus tablet is going to be sold as cheap as it is rumored to be atm.
Anyways, let's say it really is: Then it would actually be a good idea to get rid of the unsupported tab 7.7 in time, as you could easily buy two nexus tabs for the money the 7.7 is valued right now.
I think there has to be a hook somewhere.

billytkid said:
Hi all,
I'm about to sell my 7.7 its a great device but the OS sluggyness (more than a second to unluck is not right) is getting on my nerves.
Its clear this isnt going to get any form of regular updates so to stave my losses on it I'm going to sell this now and ideally do so before the Google Tablet arrives.
Is a great machine but with the lack of dev community its a no go for any early adopters liking to play.
Real shame samsung.
btk
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it is a really good idea i have a same feeling too

I guess I see it as a quirky exotic car. Not as reliable as a cheaper econobox, but 7.7 has my favorite combination of build quality, super thin form factor - yet great battery life, and awesome screen. To me there isn't enough improvement over the 7.7 with the Nexus Tablet that makes me want to swap.
As others have mentioned, swap out the stock launcher & browser, use NoLock, etc. I have tweaked around almost all the deficiencies of the 7.7 and have 99% of what I want in my perfect tablet. The only troublesome issues are this random looping reboot problem that we're discussing in the other thread I haven't been able to make headway with and also that i wish i could enable bluetooth phone profile on the Verizon version.
Maybe when more details are announced for Nexus Tab that make it more awesome, and if the damn random reboot problem on my VZ 7.7 keeps happening.

rEVOLVE said:
I guess I see it as a quirky exotic car. Not as reliable as a cheaper econobox, but 7.7 has my favorite combination of build quality, super thin form factor - yet great battery life, and awesome screen. To me there isn't enough improvement over the 7.7 with the Nexus Tablet that makes me want to swap.
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I do sympathize with the OP. The 7.7 will be my last Samsung product. it's simply not acceptable anymore to launch a premium tablet without appropriate support when the software is just not adequate.
This said, I agree with above. It is still the "best" hardware on the market as far as 7" format goes, with the only possible upgrades being the processor and the screen (resolution wise; would make a huge difference for ebook reading - you get used to the retina screen). I'd have to wait to be tempted by any of the upcoming models, an still seriously hope Samsung will do the right thing and release ICS soon.
The main drawback compared to the Google offering will be the lack of phone option.

globiboulga said:
I do sympathize with the OP. The 7.7 will be my last Samsung product. it's simply not acceptable anymore to launch a premium tablet without appropriate support when the software is just not adequate.
This said, I agree with above. It is still the "best" hardware on the market as far as 7" format goes, with the only possible upgrades being the processor and the screen (resolution wise; would make a huge difference for ebook reading - you get used to the retina screen). I'd have to wait to be tempted by any of the upcoming models, an still seriously hope Samsung will do the right thing and release ICS soon.
The main drawback compared to the Google offering will be the lack of phone option.
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100% agreed

There will be compromise, Mostly screen Nothing beats Amoled!!, no gsm 3g, maybe tiny battery , bigger chunkyer, not magnesium crappyer build quality. The reason the cpu will be good is because it will be mass manufactured, and thats why the price will be so affordable. I think.

I was reading a report online last week that spoke of them going into mass production with some CPU manufacturer, lets see as I have my good days and bad day with the galaxy tab 7.7....
Do wish they would kick the ICS out for this baby and we could see if worth keeping or not, but yes I totally agree with most people on this and Samsung has dropped the ball on this and will be my last Samsung product

I also agree with OP's point to an extent. I actually went from an original Galaxy Tablet, to the 7 Plus, and hate that Samsung does this to their customers. They got our money and forgot about after purchase support. If the 7.7 wasn't such a great device I wouldn't have went with another Samsung.
The next best device I would consider for myself would be the Toshiba Thrive 7.7 - also a SAMOLED+ screen, Tegra 3, skinnier than 7.7 but Wifi only and i really enjoy the battery life and built in LTE from the tablet w/ my 7.7.

be aware !
nexus tablet might lack 3g,LTE, rear camera to make it a affordable device.

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be aware !
nexus tablet might lack 3g,LTE, rear camera to make it a affordable device.
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to hit the price point, those things are well worth the sacrifice.
unless your tablet is your sole device, most people will have a phone which can do all those other things. the tablet was meant to be a secondary device you can use which is inbetween completely portable (phone) and non-portable (desktop).

Humm, no 3g that sux. I use 3g for data.
WiFi at home 3g when I am not, thats a deal braker for me.

I don't have the 7.7 but having played with it in store, I can't imagine Google matching it in quality for the price point they want. That'd be a pretty incredible feat.
Given that I think it'd be a hasty mistake to sell. It sucks for ICS to still not be there but it'll come - and chances are good you'll have a better tab than Google's then.
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Got £340 in the end for the tab and have just spent £200 on the g7,sold just in time me thinks.
Feels like I got there just in time.
If 7.7 had Samsung support I wouldn't have swapped
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The Nexus tab is a competitor to the Kindle and Nook, i dont know why you would downgrade, give it a few weeks and ICS will be available.
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adinis78 said:
The Nexus tab is a competitor to the Kindle and Nook, i dont know why you would downgrade, give it a few weeks and ICS will be available.
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Yep though Tegra3 is superior CPU, I think once ICS drops, aside from Tegrazone games we won't notice any real life difference. The CPU @ 1.4 in our 7.7 is more than fast enough. Heck even my 1Ghz Tegra2 sony tablet s flies with ICS
The killer battery life and 3G is whats making me keep this instead of flogging and buying a Nexus 7 (at a profit too lol)

I agree with more or less all the comments on here, the built quality of the 7.7, weight, and that screen is amazing, but we have been waiting far too long for ICS and Jelly bean is around the corner. We have the advantage of a SD slot 3g etc but the hardware specs of the Nexus 7 is just better in terms of CPU GPU etc under the hood. In my opinion if you just use your tablet for casual use, browsing and consuming digital content then the Nexus 7 makes sense. for cheaper and better experience. But if you have loads of apps, content and you use your tablet as a travel companion and main device to create and produce things then the 7.7 is still a great device. I am in 2 minds right now, might sell up with all my accesories and get 2 nexus 7's one for the wife and one for me. Just not sure

giotecno said:
I agree with more or less all the comments on here, the built quality of the 7.7, weight, and that screen is amazing, but we have been waiting far too long for ICS and Jelly bean is around the corner. We have the advantage of a SD slot 3g etc but the hardware specs of the Nexus 7 is just better in terms of CPU GPU etc under the hood. In my opinion if you just use your tablet for casual use, browsing and consuming digital content then the Nexus 7 makes sense. for cheaper and better experience. But if you have loads of apps, content and you use your tablet as a travel companion and main device to create and produce things then the 7.7 is still a great device. I am in 2 minds right now, might sell up with all my accesories and get 2 nexus 7's one for the wife and one for me. Just not sure
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Just wait for ICS, with hopefull improvements it will blow the nexus tan out the water even if it has "better software"
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