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Hi,
I searched but did not get any useful results.
This is about the invisibleshield.
I would like to ask anyone using the invisibleshield, if their screen protector is
1. made of the same material as what is used for the rest of the full body shield,
and also, from my experience with the invisibleshield for iPod, I noticed that it was rather sticky or clingy meaning that it was more of a slightly rubbery than plasticy texture that is found on most common, generic screen protectors. My question is: Will this affect the touchscreenability of the Tilt, meaning that
2. am I able to move my stylus over the screen easily without it being all squeakily resistant to my stylus inputs
3. and if I am able to move my finger across the screen for TouchFlo
4. and finally if using the invisibleshield will somehow make the screen less sensitive as compared to as if I were to use the generic "plastic" screen protector.
Thanks in advance!
Is 'touchscreenability' a real word?
No, I made it up. It sounds nice though.
No, I made it up. It sounds nice though.
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There seems to be an abundance of creating new words on this site. lol.
I prefer the made up word 'touchscreeniness' though
Sorry for nitpicking
I don't have an answer for your query yet, I am yet to purchase the invisible shield. I will probably do so sometime next week.
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes, but I personally doesn't like touching the screen with my fingers. It'll smudges
4. No
Yes, the screen does have some resistance to the stylus. I eventually got used to it because my Kaiser is slow and I need to scroll slowly anyway.
Overall a great product. I'm selling my Kaiser today on eBay (bought it for the video camera and i'm disappointed) and the screen + body is flawless.
Sorry to head about your Kaiser. I didn't think it would be so frustratingly slow.
Thanks for letting me know.
Geraldous said:
Sorry to head about your Kaiser. I didn't think it would be so frustratingly slow.
Thanks for letting me know.
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I just bought a ATT Tilt from eBay and I would need to purchase few accessories.
Can you provide your feedback once you installed the Invisibleshield on your Kaiser/TyTn II? thanks
The Invisibleshield works good after you get use to the feeling of the screen. I've used other shields on my Tilt and I think they are better compared to the Invisibleshield for navigating. I'm actually going to replace it later with one I had before. I do have the invisibleshield on other devices (camera, Dell PDA, old phone) and it works well. With the Tilt, I flash ROMs that are much quicker than the stock ROM and sometimes you have to apply more pressure with the stylus or finger to navigate.
What I would recommend is get the Invisibleshield, try it out and if it doesn't work they have a money back guarantee.
Yes, I found it to be unbearable on my 8GB Zune's screen, So when I got mine for my Tilt, I decided to only install the body protector and install a different screen protector, one made by Javo. The Javo screen protector is excellent, it comes with a cleaning microfiber cloth and a squeegee card, and it is really good. The invisibleshield, on the other hand, makes the screen all colored weird, and it looks like crap.
Thanks for the input. I'm actually fine with the body protector but may do what Crazysamz did, applying a different screen protector for the tilt.
I installed it on my Tilt four days ago. Here is what I think of it: its a piece of sh|t.
1. The screen was hard to see outdoors before, now it is impossible.
2. It feels like I have rubber on my screen.
3. Scrolling with the stylus gives the sensation that you might rip, tear, or stretch the shield due to its adherent grip.
4. I am using S2U2 and cannot get my finger to unlock the phone without a dedicated and concentrated effort. The stylus however, slides the bar with ease.
In my opinion, it is unusable and a horrible waste of money. I should have known this was crap when the instruction said to squeegee the frikin' thing on as if it was a vinyl overlay (which I think it might actually be)!
A good screen protector should be more rigid and solid (like the screen itself). Furthermore, it should have anti-glare coating and not this egg shell looking crap as the invisibleshield has.
The cheap shield I bought from the cart vendor at the mall for $5.00 was much better than this!
jimlivingston said:
I installed it on my Tilt four days ago. Here is what I think of it: its a piece of sh|t.
1. The screen was hard to see outdoors before, now it is impossible.
2. It feels like I have rubber on my screen.
3. Scrolling with the stylus gives the sensation that you might rip, tear, or stretch the shield due to its adherent grip.
4. I am using S2U2 and cannot get my finger to unlock the phone without a dedicated and concentrated effort. The stylus however, slides the bar with ease.
In my opinion, it is unusable and a horrible waste of money. I should have known this was crap when the instruction said to squeegee the frikin' thing on as if it was a vinyl overlay (which I think it might actually be)!
A good screen protector should be more rigid and solid (like the screen itself). Furthermore, it should have anti-glare coating and not this egg shell looking crap as the invisibleshield has.
The cheap shield I bought from the cart vendor at the mall for $5.00 was much better than this!
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Thanks for the detailed review.
But instead of calling it a waste of money, do you think it would be better if you used the shield for the body of the device and another screen protector for the screen? or did you just get the screen protector for it?
I actually have it on my iPod and it does have a very uneven surface when viewing it from an angle, which is quite annoying because it doesn't look that nice.
I bought the screen protector only.
I have the InvisibleShield for my Hermes and my Blackjack (full body kit with the screen protector) and it works alright. It isn't great and it is a little "tacky" (meaning sticky). My biggest complaint is that if you just put your phone in your pocket it will eventually get dirt and pocket lint all round the edges of the protector film (which is a lot of edges if you have the full body kit).
I ended up pulling some of the kit off the Hermes because it looked terrible after a couple months. The big plus to the InvisibleShield is they tend to make a slick/slippery phone much less prone to dropping because they are so sticky.
Right now I'm absolutely in love with the Martin Field's protectors, they are much more rigid and smoother than the InvisibleShield. They work very good for the Tilt/Kaiser and are cut to fit perfect (great for TouchFLO). They are also removable and washable, and much much easier to install than the others I've tried. So far I've bought them for my Tilt, Archos 605, Sony UX, my 2nd Blackjack, HTC S620 and iPod Touch...
If you can't find the link for them let me know and I'll dig up the URL.
I have been a fan of invisibleshield when it came out for ipods. It is still keeping my ipod awesome, but the topic here is touch screen ability. I had it for my wizard. Your screen will be totally protected, but the movement isn't all that great. Feels very rubbery, but you can still click on the screen. I really suggest another protector, but only problem is, you won't get the full protection. but as long as you are careful, with another screen protector, the feel of the screen is worth it.
my only complaint is being too grippy. Like others reported, I have trouble sliding and touchflowing. Its tolerable for me though, not a dealbreaker.
The Invisibleshield is good but it depends on the application. For the Tilt I think it's not a good application (screen protector) as others have said it's not very responsive. However, I do have the invisible shield on other devices such as my digital camera LCD and it works great. They also have a good life time replacement policy.
I have been using the boxwave for my Blackberry and the Overlay plus for my other phones. I love them both and I think I am going to get the Overlay plus for Tilt and get the invisiblesheild body protection for it too.
I'm planning to get the full coverage and I was wondering how does it feel like on the back? Does it feel like you're holding a plastic bag or something? I like how smooth the back of the Kaiser battery door is.
Is it the same kind of touchscreen as all the other HTC models have or is it like the iPhone....
The onlu thing about the iphone is it's touch screen of hard glass coated with stuff to make it touch sensitive.
This looks to be hard glass too but it's very hard to see on video is there anybody who knows if it's hard glass or the same kind of touch screen as the Touch pro has...
Watskeburt,
Well the French chick in the video decribed the HD as having a better touchscreen than the diamond and it bieng almost as good as the Iphones. Although the Iphones touch screen is capacitive.
The Hd's touch screen is still pressure sensitive.
The HD's touch screen will be the same as the Diamond and Touch Pro. As the guy in the video was saying it was sensitive, he scrolled along the bottom of TF3D and it stopped going with his finger and treated it as a tap later down the line of icons. No touch screen can compare to a capacitive screen, the iPhone and G1 will always be more sensitive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiw5PsQ50Uc
Skip to like 1:25, as he says it's a very sensitive screen it doesn't even track his finger along the bottom.
The screen isn't multitouch compatible. if that's what you were asking.
No i was just wondering what kind of glass was used.
Is it lik ethe iPhone. Regular hardened glass with a touch sensitive coating ( that wears off after a while i know)
or is it the same old touchscreen that we are used to. You know sevral layers of thin glass and plastic that's so easy to scratch and break......
Well, "scratch" and "break" are relative, IMO. The iPhone's glass screen may have a more durable feel under normal finger usage but can shatter more easily when dropped, whereas plastics might feel cheaper but have a bit more give for better durability under sudden shock.
Resistance to scratches will depend wholly on the type of scratch abuse and choice of screen protector.
As far as the glass+capacitive coating (on the iPhone) goes, let me say that resistive touchscreens are also susceptible to damage, namely the "oil patch" where the touch-sensitive layer is subject to too much pressure and "breaks" (not immediately, but over time it loses its accuracy/sensitivity) and discoloration similar to an oil patch appears. This has happened to me on my Touch Pro, and others on their Diamonds, and I suspect it might happen on the HD as well (since it is also a flush-mounted touch-resistive display).
The capacitance screen of the iPhone also means it cannot be used with anything other than a finger, i.e. no stylus. This means that every interface has to be sized accordingly for finger user rather than being able to be smaller and more detailed for stylus use.
It's true that in the french video the menu scroller does not keep up with his finger. However, he is brushing the menu very lightly in order to demonstrate that the pressure threshold is much lower. No, it does not equal a capacitive screen, but he does specifically state that it is different to that of the diamond in terms of sensitivity. The diamond requires a lot of pressure, and you don't need a capacitive screen just to have it respond to much less pressure.
capacitance screen for winmo?
I wonder whether it would be possible for a capacitance screen to work with WinMo? I am massively jealous of the easy usability of my friend's iPhone, but at the end of the day, I use winmo programs. Capacitance screens feels like a superior technology - it just works better with your fingers
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I wonder whether it would be possible for a capacitance screen to work with WinMo? I am massively jealous of the easy usability of my friend's iPhone, but at the end of the day, I use winmo programs. Capacitance screens feels like a superior technology - it just works better with your fingers
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I disagree about the superior technology. As was said earlier in this thread you can't use a stylus witha captive screen or gloved fingers come to think about it. What about a combination of the 2, that would be superior tech.
I can tell you that the screen is really great. better than i thought.
It is still a resitive screen, but it feels like glass, especially after you put the screen protector which comes with the device on the screen. an as far as it goes, i think its very scratch resistent, even against fingernails and so.
It doesn't even feel like you are pressign the screen, its much more like the iphone glass display and comes very close to it.
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I disagree about the superior technology. As was said earlier in this thread you can't use a stylus witha captive screen or gloved fingers come to think about it. What about a combination of the 2, that would be superior tech.
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Sorry, but it is a common misconception that capacitive touch screens cannot work with stlylii. (largely attributed to iphone not requiring or shipping with a stylus)
Have a look here
http://www.fashionfunky.com/2008/08/japanese_iphone_stylus.php
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/a31f/?cpg=ab
fallenczar said:
Sorry, but it is a common misconception that capacitive touch screens cannot work with stlylii. (largely attributed to iphone not requiring or shipping with a stylus)
Have a look here
http://www.fashionfunky.com/2008/08/japanese_iphone_stylus.php
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/a31f/?cpg=ab
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Ok Ok. You can use a stylus with a capacitive screen but it has to be charged i.e produce electrons. On HTC devices you can use anything thats at hand.
Like i said before i like the feeling of a capacitive screen but it does lack in key areas. A combination of the 2 screens would be the future, but i'm sure there are technical limitations to such a project.
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Ok Ok. You can use a stylus with a capacitive screen but it has to be charged i.e produce electrons. On HTC devices you can use anything thats at hand.
Like i said before i like the feeling of a capacitive screen but it does lack in key areas. A combination of the 2 screens would be the future, but i'm sure there are technical limitations to such a project.
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this is way off topic , but what you want is already out here - http://www.touchscreens.com/intro-touchtypes.html
fallenczar said:
this is way off topic , but what you want is already out here - http://www.touchscreens.com/intro-touchtypes.html
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Now that my friend is the future! Lol
Sorry to all if we are going off topic
I wear leather gloves when it is cold and I am happy that I would not need to take them off to use my phone and freeze my fingers when outside. I have seen iphone users wearing gloves taking them off to use the phone. I guess another perk to using pressure sensitive screen - warmer hands
seeing no body answered OP's question, but all came at a very close tangent, i'll take a stab at it.
HD's screen is not glass, it cannot be glass like iphone because HD requires it screen to "bend" and "depress" a little at the specific spot so the second layer can sense the pressure. the first//top layer is only a screen, touch/pressure panel is beneath that.
do you definitely need to put a screen protector on or is it going to be pretty scratch resistant without?
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do you definitely need to put a screen protector on or is it going to be pretty scratch resistant without?
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I didn't test ist without the screen protector (but the one which is in the package is very good and invisible, as the edges are perfectly cut.)
With the Screen protector of the packages, it seems very scratch resistant and fells like the glass iphone screen
did the screen protector go on easy or do you have the bubbling problem?, this is the main reason i dont bother with screen protectors.
Before I got my HD2, all I read was that iphones dont work with gloves due to the capacitive screen, I thought bummer when it snows here the same will apply to the HD2.
Having just come from a snowball fight, and taken loads of pics in the process, I was surprised that I could whith my huge thick gloves.
My question is, is this the same for all capactive screens?
maybe this is the reason why the touch screen doesn't work proper in many cases - it's too sensible, there is a too big electric field, therefore when using the virtual keyboard it happens that an other letter is displayed on the screen than you've pressed.
Just a thought but...... won't the tip of woolly/cotton gloves scratch the screen?
Well, mine sure doesn't. And I wish it would! I go to work on my bike and this is the season where I have to wear thick gloves. I'm afflicted like many of us by the "music stops" bug and I have to stop, take off my gloves and starts the player again. It's a pain!
It depends on the material of your gloves. As I mentioned in my tips thread, thin leather gloves DO work on capacitive screens such as HD2 and iPhone. However I also have another pair of leather gloves which have like a knitted wool lining which is quite thick (the lining not the leather) and was suprised to see them work too. I think it is probably because the wool lining holds the static from my finger that allows it to work. I think. I am not an expert in how capacitive screens work. I can happily type an sms without having to remove my gloves in this cold snowy weather.
Generally the thinner the glove material the better. Don't waste your money on these special capacitive finger tip gloves. There are far more better looking gloves out there. Just choose thin leather gloves to be certain they will work.
Should have mentioned that these arnt woolly but polyester with a thick inner lining,
Maybe its the reason for all those extra diagonal lines on the screen??
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Just a thought but...... won't the tip of woolly/cotton gloves scratch the screen?
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really?? a knife, a scissor, keys wont scratch the screen but the wooly/cotton glove will????
conductive thread
today i received about a metre of conductive thread from ebay. (under 3 quid)
initial test show that this:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Making-A-Glove-Work-With-A-Touch-Screen/ is going to work really well.
my gloves are however massive so i'm going to get a higher quality, thinner pair and then with a few stitches i'll be nice and cosy.
Up here at the Clove blog.
Questions welcome.
Now with video! Datel Retro Wireless gaming is IN!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oir-3FSG-5A
How does the screen feel? How hard is it to clean the screen from fingerprints?
Comparisons to the iPad's oleophobic surface coating would be nice.
Thanks
I need to play with my friends iPad 2 again to really answer that, but certainly it takes some cleaning on a pretty regular basis (the SGSII has a much better oil-resistant layer).
Nice review. I was thinking too that the placement of the buttons were weird. Well the whole top (to me) is weird because the the headphone jack is on the inner right. Most devices have it closer to an edge/corner so that the wire doesn't get in the way. I guess you can turn the thing upside down so the headphone jack is on the bottom, but what about video chatting during a layover in the airport? Turning it upside down would leave the camera on the bottom as well. I guess you could place the wire behind the tablet but then you loose some of that slack.
How is the mic sensitivity? I have an acer and recording and voice to text quality is very subpar. I also don't see microphone icon on the galaxy keyboard.
Is there Haptic feedback or vibration on this tablet?
Thanks.
sriram_s said:
How does the screen feel? How hard is it to clean the screen from fingerprints?
Comparisons to the iPad's oleophobic surface coating would be nice.
Thanks
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I'm wondering if anyone with an iPad could make this comparison with the Galaxy Tab 10.1?
I noticed the Transformer's glass kinda sucked. While both my Transformer and iPad seemed to pickup finger prints the same, cleaning was MUCH easier on the iPad. Just a couple swipes with a dry microfiber cloth and they were gone. The Transformer I have to fog up the glass with my breath and wipe vigorously to get finger prints off.
Also the iPad glass feels extremely smooth, my finger glides with no resistance. Whatever magic on on that iPad glass, the Transformer doesn't have it, it's smooth, but not iPad smooth, there is noticeable resistance sliding my finger.
So with the Galaxy Tab 10.1 I would love to know how easy the clean up is and how smooth it is, comparable to an iPad or iPad 2 if possible.
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I'm wondering if anyone with an iPad could make this comparison with the Galaxy Tab 10.1?
I noticed the Transformer's glass kinda sucked. While both my Transformer and iPad seemed to pickup finger prints the same, cleaning was MUCH easier on the iPad. Just a couple swipes with a dry microfiber cloth and they were gone. The Transformer I have to fog up the glass with my breath and wipe vigorously to get finger prints off.
Also the iPad glass feels extremely smooth, my finger glides with no resistance. Whatever magic on on that iPad glass, the Transformer doesn't have it, it's smooth, but not iPad smooth, there is noticeable resistance sliding my finger.
So with the Galaxy Tab 10.1 I would love to know how easy the clean up is and how smooth it is, comparable to an iPad or iPad 2 if possible.
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I have both the Ipad 2 and the i/o tab. The screens seem identical, with the i/o tab looking much sharper and being slightly smoother. I can't really talk about fingerprints because i put zaggs on both devices, but the screen quality on the i/o tab was definitely on par if not better than the ipad 2.
Software is a different story
The 'naked' I/O screen is much more prone to collecting fingerprints than the iPad 2, although it otherwise edges it in terms of actual display characteristics I think.
The I/O Tab does have the option to enable haptic feedback for keypresses.
I know we are waiting to see about the gorila glass thing, but I read on a forum that it had capacitive touch... I'm not sure what that means, can some one explain to me? Looking at the Toshiba screen+ thing I am inclined to think the Toshiba screen will be better... not saying that as a fact or anything...
gorilla glass is a glass developed by corning and is much stronger and scratch resistant than normal glass.
i'm not an expert, but I think that capacitive touchscreens uses electricity to sense a touch.
The transformer has both of those technologies, and I'm pretty sure that the Toshiba tablet also has a capacitive touchscreen, but not gorilla glass.
There are THREE type of "Touchscreens"
1.) Laser grid ( example HP Touchsmart IQ series PC )
This type of touchscreen is actually NOT a touchscreen at all. It shoots out invisible lasers in a tight grid and see where the grid break when you put your finger on it.
2.) Resistive Touchscreens ( Example Nintendo DS and DSi and 3DS Series ) This touchscreen uses a type of pressure sensitive and very flimsy film to register and touch. This type of touchscreen is the cheapest option available and as a result are VERY crappy for gaming console and the like. However some WACOM devices use it perfectly for drawing and such.
3.) Capacitive Touchscreens ( example....Asus Transformer and most of all tablets these days ) This is the BEST type of touchscreen. With sensors that detect where you touch by measuring electricity from our bodies. This is the smart choice for all devices these days.
Hope that helps you out....and yes the TF has Gorilla Glass.
thanks!!!!
I also read in a review that the Thrive's LCD is nowhere as good as the Transformer's.
What review? I thought the tablet wasn't even out yet?
Digiguest said:
There are THREE type of "Touchscreens"
1.) Laser grid ( example HP Touchsmart IQ series PC )
This type of touchscreen is actually NOT a touchscreen at all. It shoots out invisible lasers in a tight grid and see where the grid break when you put your finger on it.
2.) Resistive Touchscreens ( Example Nintendo DS and DSi and 3DS Series ) This touchscreen uses a type of pressure sensitive and very flimsy film to register and touch. This type of touchscreen is the cheapest option available and as a result are VERY crappy for gaming console and the like. However some WACOM devices use it perfectly for drawing and such.
3.) Capacitive Touchscreens ( example....Asus Transformer and most of all tablets these days ) This is the BEST type of touchscreen. With sensors that detect where you touch by measuring electricity from our bodies. This is the smart choice for all devices these days.
Hope that helps you out....and yes the TF has Gorilla Glass.
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Just a point of clarification on point 2....
Resistive screens are not bad at all. In fact, they have better accuracy, b/c they are meant to be used with a stylus (a slim point). Whereas capacitive screens expect fat fingers, which make them feel better when not using a stylus.
The very obvious benefit to capacitive screens have the glass up front, vs. the touch layer being up front on resistive screens.
-bZj
Also, capacitive touch screens aren't very good with stylus input (handwriting) because your hand will trigger the input too. So you'll either have to hover your hand while writing or wear a glove, or pull your sleeve down over your hand.
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What review? I thought the tablet wasn't even out yet?
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Not sure if this is it but I did some quick Googling and approached this,
http://reviews.cnet.com/tablets/toshiba-thrive/4505-3126_7-34468401.html
Edit: No mention about LCD but just a prototype review.
but they didnt say anything about the screen??
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but they didnt say anything about the screen??
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Thats why i said,
Edit: No mention about LCD but just a prototype review.
There was a preview of it at CES 2011.