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How does the screen feel? How hard is it to clean the screen from fingerprints?
Comparisons to the iPad's oleophobic surface coating would be nice.
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I need to play with my friends iPad 2 again to really answer that, but certainly it takes some cleaning on a pretty regular basis (the SGSII has a much better oil-resistant layer).
Nice review. I was thinking too that the placement of the buttons were weird. Well the whole top (to me) is weird because the the headphone jack is on the inner right. Most devices have it closer to an edge/corner so that the wire doesn't get in the way. I guess you can turn the thing upside down so the headphone jack is on the bottom, but what about video chatting during a layover in the airport? Turning it upside down would leave the camera on the bottom as well. I guess you could place the wire behind the tablet but then you loose some of that slack.
How is the mic sensitivity? I have an acer and recording and voice to text quality is very subpar. I also don't see microphone icon on the galaxy keyboard.
Is there Haptic feedback or vibration on this tablet?
Thanks.
sriram_s said:
How does the screen feel? How hard is it to clean the screen from fingerprints?
Comparisons to the iPad's oleophobic surface coating would be nice.
Thanks
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I'm wondering if anyone with an iPad could make this comparison with the Galaxy Tab 10.1?
I noticed the Transformer's glass kinda sucked. While both my Transformer and iPad seemed to pickup finger prints the same, cleaning was MUCH easier on the iPad. Just a couple swipes with a dry microfiber cloth and they were gone. The Transformer I have to fog up the glass with my breath and wipe vigorously to get finger prints off.
Also the iPad glass feels extremely smooth, my finger glides with no resistance. Whatever magic on on that iPad glass, the Transformer doesn't have it, it's smooth, but not iPad smooth, there is noticeable resistance sliding my finger.
So with the Galaxy Tab 10.1 I would love to know how easy the clean up is and how smooth it is, comparable to an iPad or iPad 2 if possible.
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I'm wondering if anyone with an iPad could make this comparison with the Galaxy Tab 10.1?
I noticed the Transformer's glass kinda sucked. While both my Transformer and iPad seemed to pickup finger prints the same, cleaning was MUCH easier on the iPad. Just a couple swipes with a dry microfiber cloth and they were gone. The Transformer I have to fog up the glass with my breath and wipe vigorously to get finger prints off.
Also the iPad glass feels extremely smooth, my finger glides with no resistance. Whatever magic on on that iPad glass, the Transformer doesn't have it, it's smooth, but not iPad smooth, there is noticeable resistance sliding my finger.
So with the Galaxy Tab 10.1 I would love to know how easy the clean up is and how smooth it is, comparable to an iPad or iPad 2 if possible.
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I have both the Ipad 2 and the i/o tab. The screens seem identical, with the i/o tab looking much sharper and being slightly smoother. I can't really talk about fingerprints because i put zaggs on both devices, but the screen quality on the i/o tab was definitely on par if not better than the ipad 2.
Software is a different story
The 'naked' I/O screen is much more prone to collecting fingerprints than the iPad 2, although it otherwise edges it in terms of actual display characteristics I think.
The I/O Tab does have the option to enable haptic feedback for keypresses.
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Is it the same kind of touchscreen as all the other HTC models have or is it like the iPhone....
The onlu thing about the iphone is it's touch screen of hard glass coated with stuff to make it touch sensitive.
This looks to be hard glass too but it's very hard to see on video is there anybody who knows if it's hard glass or the same kind of touch screen as the Touch pro has...
Watskeburt,
Well the French chick in the video decribed the HD as having a better touchscreen than the diamond and it bieng almost as good as the Iphones. Although the Iphones touch screen is capacitive.
The Hd's touch screen is still pressure sensitive.
The HD's touch screen will be the same as the Diamond and Touch Pro. As the guy in the video was saying it was sensitive, he scrolled along the bottom of TF3D and it stopped going with his finger and treated it as a tap later down the line of icons. No touch screen can compare to a capacitive screen, the iPhone and G1 will always be more sensitive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiw5PsQ50Uc
Skip to like 1:25, as he says it's a very sensitive screen it doesn't even track his finger along the bottom.
The screen isn't multitouch compatible. if that's what you were asking.
No i was just wondering what kind of glass was used.
Is it lik ethe iPhone. Regular hardened glass with a touch sensitive coating ( that wears off after a while i know)
or is it the same old touchscreen that we are used to. You know sevral layers of thin glass and plastic that's so easy to scratch and break......
Well, "scratch" and "break" are relative, IMO. The iPhone's glass screen may have a more durable feel under normal finger usage but can shatter more easily when dropped, whereas plastics might feel cheaper but have a bit more give for better durability under sudden shock.
Resistance to scratches will depend wholly on the type of scratch abuse and choice of screen protector.
As far as the glass+capacitive coating (on the iPhone) goes, let me say that resistive touchscreens are also susceptible to damage, namely the "oil patch" where the touch-sensitive layer is subject to too much pressure and "breaks" (not immediately, but over time it loses its accuracy/sensitivity) and discoloration similar to an oil patch appears. This has happened to me on my Touch Pro, and others on their Diamonds, and I suspect it might happen on the HD as well (since it is also a flush-mounted touch-resistive display).
The capacitance screen of the iPhone also means it cannot be used with anything other than a finger, i.e. no stylus. This means that every interface has to be sized accordingly for finger user rather than being able to be smaller and more detailed for stylus use.
It's true that in the french video the menu scroller does not keep up with his finger. However, he is brushing the menu very lightly in order to demonstrate that the pressure threshold is much lower. No, it does not equal a capacitive screen, but he does specifically state that it is different to that of the diamond in terms of sensitivity. The diamond requires a lot of pressure, and you don't need a capacitive screen just to have it respond to much less pressure.
capacitance screen for winmo?
I wonder whether it would be possible for a capacitance screen to work with WinMo? I am massively jealous of the easy usability of my friend's iPhone, but at the end of the day, I use winmo programs. Capacitance screens feels like a superior technology - it just works better with your fingers
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I wonder whether it would be possible for a capacitance screen to work with WinMo? I am massively jealous of the easy usability of my friend's iPhone, but at the end of the day, I use winmo programs. Capacitance screens feels like a superior technology - it just works better with your fingers
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I disagree about the superior technology. As was said earlier in this thread you can't use a stylus witha captive screen or gloved fingers come to think about it. What about a combination of the 2, that would be superior tech.
I can tell you that the screen is really great. better than i thought.
It is still a resitive screen, but it feels like glass, especially after you put the screen protector which comes with the device on the screen. an as far as it goes, i think its very scratch resistent, even against fingernails and so.
It doesn't even feel like you are pressign the screen, its much more like the iphone glass display and comes very close to it.
donbronzi said:
I disagree about the superior technology. As was said earlier in this thread you can't use a stylus witha captive screen or gloved fingers come to think about it. What about a combination of the 2, that would be superior tech.
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Sorry, but it is a common misconception that capacitive touch screens cannot work with stlylii. (largely attributed to iphone not requiring or shipping with a stylus)
Have a look here
http://www.fashionfunky.com/2008/08/japanese_iphone_stylus.php
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/a31f/?cpg=ab
fallenczar said:
Sorry, but it is a common misconception that capacitive touch screens cannot work with stlylii. (largely attributed to iphone not requiring or shipping with a stylus)
Have a look here
http://www.fashionfunky.com/2008/08/japanese_iphone_stylus.php
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/a31f/?cpg=ab
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Ok Ok. You can use a stylus with a capacitive screen but it has to be charged i.e produce electrons. On HTC devices you can use anything thats at hand.
Like i said before i like the feeling of a capacitive screen but it does lack in key areas. A combination of the 2 screens would be the future, but i'm sure there are technical limitations to such a project.
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Ok Ok. You can use a stylus with a capacitive screen but it has to be charged i.e produce electrons. On HTC devices you can use anything thats at hand.
Like i said before i like the feeling of a capacitive screen but it does lack in key areas. A combination of the 2 screens would be the future, but i'm sure there are technical limitations to such a project.
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this is way off topic , but what you want is already out here - http://www.touchscreens.com/intro-touchtypes.html
fallenczar said:
this is way off topic , but what you want is already out here - http://www.touchscreens.com/intro-touchtypes.html
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Now that my friend is the future! Lol
Sorry to all if we are going off topic
I wear leather gloves when it is cold and I am happy that I would not need to take them off to use my phone and freeze my fingers when outside. I have seen iphone users wearing gloves taking them off to use the phone. I guess another perk to using pressure sensitive screen - warmer hands
seeing no body answered OP's question, but all came at a very close tangent, i'll take a stab at it.
HD's screen is not glass, it cannot be glass like iphone because HD requires it screen to "bend" and "depress" a little at the specific spot so the second layer can sense the pressure. the first//top layer is only a screen, touch/pressure panel is beneath that.
do you definitely need to put a screen protector on or is it going to be pretty scratch resistant without?
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do you definitely need to put a screen protector on or is it going to be pretty scratch resistant without?
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I didn't test ist without the screen protector (but the one which is in the package is very good and invisible, as the edges are perfectly cut.)
With the Screen protector of the packages, it seems very scratch resistant and fells like the glass iphone screen
did the screen protector go on easy or do you have the bubbling problem?, this is the main reason i dont bother with screen protectors.
For those that are wondering about what handwriting on the Galaxy Note 10.1 is like, here's a sample of one page of text from the Papyrus app handwritten by me. I was writing pretty fast and I know my handwriting is not the best but I did it like that to prove that the active digitizer works quite well. This also gives you an idea of how much text you can actually fit on a screen. Of course, you can zoom out and pan around to fit more but I think that's incredibly annoying for writing (but for drawing diagrams it'd probably be great).
http://minus.com/lFGDz8vQlZUv3
This is excelent. I've been writing with capacitive stylus (Adonit Jot) and I wouldn't be able to write nowhere near that good with it (while for a capacitive stylus it's pretty good). I wonder why we don't see such writing in reviews... Also a question: doesn't the stylus slide a little because of the glass? Wouldn't it be better with a matte screen protector so it has some resistance?
Magnesus said:
This is excelent. I've been writing with capacitive stylus (Adonit Jot) and I wouldn't be able to write nowhere near that good with it (while for a capacitive stylus it's pretty good). I wonder why we don't see such writing in reviews... Also a question: doesn't the stylus slide a little because of the glass? Wouldn't it be better with a matte screen protector so it has some resistance?
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Thanks! Yeah, when I was reading all the reviews I didn't understand why no one thought to do this, instead we get the random drawings and one line sentences. The stylus should be the focal point of the review for a device such as the Note.
Yes, the stylus definitely slides because of the glass. I actually used to use an HP tablet PC about 4 years ago and it had a similar feel (although it wasn't as smooth because it had a resistive touchscreen layer instead of capacitive glass), and I think you do sort of get used to it. However, I think you can get Wacom styluses with felt tips or something like that so that you get a little more resistance, and as you said a matte screen protector would definitely make it better too (and is probably the best solution). I haven't tried one yet though. It's not the same feel as paper but I think it's not really bad, just not the same feel, and you could get used to it.
So I know there are now threads pertaining to the durability of the glass back of the N4, as well as other threads related to the use of screen protectors, cases, etc. However I'm wondering so far what everyone thinks of the shiny chrome-like band on the edge of the phone. To me that is the one part I'm probably most worried about getting dinged or scratched. Honestly I have no idea why the hell LG did just carry the nice rubberized, less-likely-to-scratch side material all the way up to the top edge of the phone. IMO that would have made it the perfect design from a durability standpoint: you'd have heavy-duty Gorilla Glass 2 on the front and back, and the nice rubbery material on the sides. Instead, I guess because LG insists on adding those touches of glitz or shine, they add this chrome component in the one area that is absolute most likely to scratch or otherwise receive damage. I mean eventually I'm going to have this phone in a Seidio case, or similar, but in the mean time I'm only rocking a leather pouch and will have to be super careful.
Thoughts or experiences thus far from the masses?
I have a nic on the left edge of the chrome about a half inch above the volume rocker. Whatever its made of, it's soft.
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Had my N4 for a couple days now. It suffered a couple low-altitude drops, mostly onto wood floor or table. The only damage to the plastic chrome band so far is a little dink on the bottom edge where it's very very slightly dented, but more importantly, chipped, revealing a tiny spot of the less shiny material underneath. I think a bumper seems like a good investment for this bad boy, because this plastic chrome band is not durable. Weird design choice, I agree. Otherwise though, the glass is flawless, and the rubber texture is great to hold. Overall build quality, 4.5 stars, -.5 because of the weird plastic chrome band. Either should have been metal, or aluminum, or whatever, just not plastic. If it chips, it's very noticeable
I have nic or two on the chrome bezel as well. It's super easy to scratch and being that it's chrome, it becomes the most noticeable thing on the phone come resell time Hopefully it doesn't drop the value too much. On a positive note, if you get a case on it early enough you may preserve the chrome. However, most of the 1st batchers are just now getting cases after about 2 weeks holding it ass naked...
I purchased a Skinomi screen protector for my Nexus 10. Once I received it and realized that I had to use this solution to apply it, I got very concerned about getting solution inside the device due to the huge speaker openings running down both sides of the N10. It seems to me that it would be virually impossible to avoid solution getting into those speaker openings.
Has anyone applied a Sknomi protector to a Nexus 10? Or does anyone have any suggestions on doing this safely? I wrote to Skinomi and got a useless canned reply.
I LOVE this tablet BTW! I've had an Acer Iconia A500 since April of 2011. The difference between that and the Nexus is incredible!
FWIW, I have no screen bleed. No issues at all. My only complaint is Google removing the easy menu item for muting notification sounds (Honeycomb had this). Now you have to go all the way into settings to do this or you get email/game pings while listening to music or playing videos. Really lame to remove a nice feature from a supposed upgrade.
You can try taping over the speaker grills. There's enough clearance to apply clear tape on there. I used Skinomi on my previous tabs like Gtab 10.1 and Prime. Since then I have been going naked and haven't had any problems since. I even let my 5 year old daughter use my N10 without any scratches on my screen.
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jjdevega said:
You can try taping over the speaker grills. There's enough clearance to apply clear tape on there. I used Skinomi on my previous tabs like Gtab 10.1 and Prime. Since then I have been going naked and haven't had any problems since. I even let my 5 year old daughter use my N10 without any scratches on my screen.
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I thought about tape, but in my experience, tape is not very good at sealing out liquids. I think I'm going to send the Skinomi back and wait for PosRus to come up with one for the Nexus 10. I love PosRus screen protectors.Thanks for the reply!
I used to put screen protectors on all my gadgets with a screen but then I came to my senses and realized, what's the point? It adds a rubbery layer that takes away from the smooth feeling of the screen and degrades the image quality slightly. The screen is made of Gorilla Glass which is pretty resistant to scratches unless you stab it with a knife. I would say just go naked.
FYI, you don't spray the solution directly on the device, you mist it onto the protector (not a lot). You then squeegee it out towards the sides without the speakers while holding a cloth at the edge to catch the runoff. There shouldn't be a whole lot of liquid anyways to be a concern even if you do get some over the speakers.
zero383 said:
I used to put screen protectors on all my gadgets with a screen but then I came to my senses and realized, what's the point? It adds a rubbery layer that takes away from the smooth feeling of the screen and degrades the image quality slightly. The screen is made of Gorilla Glass which is pretty resistant to scratches unless you stab it with a knife. I would say just go naked.
FYI, you don't spray the solution directly on the device, you mist it onto the protector (not a lot). You then squeegee it out towards the sides without the speakers while holding a cloth at the edge to catch the runoff. There shouldn't be a whole lot of liquid anyways to be a concern even if you do get some over the speakers.
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Lots of support for naked here I see! LOL
OK...I'm thinking about it. Thanks for the input.
Rate this thread to express how you think the Huawei P30 Pro feels in terms of quality. A higher rating indicates that it feels premium and high-quality (attention to detail is high, manufacturing defects don't exist, etc).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
What kind of gorilla glass it uses on the front and back ?
the oleophobic coating on p30 pro seems to be much batter than on Samsung phones, a LOT less smudges and fingerprints, but then it will depend on how long the coat will last, as it seems Samsung went with a solution that is less effective but lasts a long time, while other phones seem to "run out" after 2-3 months and the coating is worn off.
Overall quality feel is about the same for p30p and my s9+ and note9, I only had s10 in my hands for couple of minutes to compare the latest. Screen curvature is better on on p30p in regard of eye comfort, Samsung narrowed the edges in S9/N9/S10 too much and it getsin the way often, when reading or typing on larger sized gboard keyboard I don't really notice the screen is curved on p30p, but on the other hand samsung has much better handle on the random unwanted touches on the edges when you hold the phone. But that is software related..
I like buttons on Samsung phones better, they are smoother and easier to tuch, too firm on my huawei, and kinda clicky/loud, some people like that, I don't.
Display on huawei has light discoloration on the edges, noticeable only in bright/white colors, but it is still better than not being able to read first and last words on full screen text article when on Samsung.
What is kinda weird for me is that knocking on the display side by side note9 - p30p, the huawei sounds kinda hollow, like the cheap ipad 2017/2018 or old ipad models without laminated screens, yet when I compare the displays up close the display on huawei seems to be even "closer" to you than samsung, thinner glass probably. I think huawei is not using gorilla glass 6 as samsung does on s10, otherwise they would have advertise it as such. 3 of my friends have mate 20/pro, they all complain about horrible micro-scratches on display, but when I inspected it it was the same as on my note 9 - seems to be scrathes on the oleophobic coating only, as with a good clean the display does not show any scratches even on direct sunlight.
Generally, the recent p/mate phones feel as good as any other premium flagship phone. And their selection of back panel colors is the best at the moment, although I was only able to pick the black - breathing crystal was available for 256gb model but I don't need that much storage and wear cases/skins anyway, but if I had my hands on one of the gradient colors, I would probably just wear transparent case on it, it really looks great.
Feels solid and what you'd expect from a premium flagship.
But my God is this device slippery. It was hard to hold as I was scared of it slipping from my hands. And one time the phone just slipped right out of my pocket onto a hard floor. Took it like a champion and didn't have a mark on it.
I'd advise getting a case simply because it's easier to hold
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the oleophobic coating on p30 pro seems to be much batter than on Samsung phones, a LOT less smudges and fingerprints, but then it will depend on how long the coat will last, as it seems Samsung went with a solution that is less effective but lasts a long time, while other phones seem to "run out" after 2-3 months and the coating is worn off.
Overall quality feel is about the same for p30p and my s9+ and note9, I only had s10 in my hands for couple of minutes to compare the latest. Screen curvature is better on on p30p in regard of eye comfort, Samsung narrowed the edges in S9/N9/S10 too much and it getsin the way often, when reading or typing on larger sized gboard keyboard I don't really notice the screen is curved on p30p, but on the other hand samsung has much better handle on the random unwanted touches on the edges when you hold the phone. But that is software related..
I like buttons on Samsung phones better, they are smoother and easier to tuch, too firm on my huawei, and kinda clicky/loud, some people like that, I don't.
Display on huawei has light discoloration on the edges, noticeable only in bright/white colors, but it is still better than not being able to read first and last words on full screen text article when on Samsung.
What is kinda weird for me is that knocking on the display side by side note9 - p30p, the huawei sounds kinda hollow, like the cheap ipad 2017/2018 or old ipad models without laminated screens, yet when I compare the displays up close the display on huawei seems to be even "closer" to you than samsung, thinner glass probably. I think huawei is not using gorilla glass 6 as samsung does on s10, otherwise they would have advertise it as such. 3 of my friends have mate 20/pro, they all complain about horrible micro-scratches on display, but when I inspected it it was the same as on my note 9 - seems to be scrathes on the oleophobic coating only, as with a good clean the display does not show any scratches even on direct sunlight.
Generally, the recent p/mate phones feel as good as any other premium flagship phone. And their selection of back panel colors is the best at the moment, although I was only able to pick the black - breathing crystal was available for 256gb model but I don't need that much storage and wear cases/skins anyway, but if I had my hands on one of the gradient colors, I would probably just wear transparent case on it, it really looks great.
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Don't use a wet wipe to clean your phone and the coating will last you much longer. I used the P20 Pro for almost 7 months, and the coating didn't wore off one bit. Keep anything that has alcohol in it as far as you can from your phone.
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I dont think they use gorillaa glass
Screen is super sensitive. Not a single drop not a single mishap and i got a scratch on the screen the size of a fingernail. Quite disappointed on that since i was expecting my screen protector toarrive from day to day to avoid that and the phone is 2 weeks old. Ill probably use the vip service if its covered to change screen
I plan to use jet seal on top of the coating. That prevents scratches and further fingerprinting. I want to keep that breathing crystal beautiful for ages