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Hi, when I tried the S3 in a store in HK today, I could choose lots of languages including Japanese. Once I chose that option, everything turned into Japanese. It was very convenience for me as I don't need to download special language option from 3rd party. However, on Note+ICS and Note+GB, I only found: chinese, english and korean. How come the number of language available is so limited on the Note even with ICS installed? Is it because such large selection of languages are only available under ICS 4.0.6?
I guess that's just how Samsung made it. On CM9 or AOSP roms Japanese language is available even on 4.0.3 builds.
Thanks. If I buy the Note (be it with GB or ICS pre-installed), is there any way to get the official Japanese language pack without the need to fool around with the system? The 3rd party ones I tried in a store did not change the system font.
I don't think that's possible - not without at least rooting your phone. But that shouldn't be a problem since the process is completely automated. Also i'd really recommend to flash CM9 which frankly is a lot better than stock and has full Japanese support ( both system language and kana input )
Akiainavas said:
I don't think that's possible - not without at least rooting your phone. But that shouldn't be a problem since the process is completely automated. Also i'd really recommend to flash CM9 which frankly is a lot better than stock and has full Japanese support ( both system language and kana input )
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What about Japanese language voice recognition?
I recall that when I was in a store few weeks ago, I installed two Japanese language input apps. Don't recall the names. The Note was able to recognize simple Japanese.
Will I lose the S pen functionality as mentioned in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoZ2djKmFxk
Japanese voice recognition is available and working on CM9 ( tested it, inputs words in kana ).
And yes, CM9 is a variant of ICS based on Android Open Source project. It's pure Android without TouchWiz. The only thing missing from it are Samsung's apps like S-Memo but they're working on replacement apps which will soon be added.
Worth to take a look:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1627854
If you don't want to flash custom ROM there is always option to root your device and manually install .apks responsible for Japanese text and voice input. People install keyboard.apk all the time and it works just fine even on lower OS version.
"Will I lose the S pen functionality as mentioned in:"
Yes and no. The S-Pen will still work as an input device, but as of now - CM9 does not have S-Memo app so you'll have to install some 3rd party apps.
Akiainavas said:
And yes, CM9 is a variant of ICS based on Android Open Source project. It's pure Android without TouchWiz. The only thing missing from it are Samsung's apps like S-Memo but they're working on replacement apps which will soon be added.
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Thanks. Will CM9 be able to install and run Premium Suite for sure?
If I install CM9 and my Note needs repairing, will Samsung refuses to do so by saying that I have voided the warranty?
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Thanks. Will CM9 be able to install and run Premium Suite for sure?
If I install CM9 and my Note needs repairing, will Samsung refuses to do so by saying that I have voided the warranty?
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Reflash to stock and you can get support from sammy when needed.
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Chance for premium suit on cm9 is pretty low if u talking about the s note app. Due to it is heavy based on touchwiz, even we are going to get the support on s pen some time later. I doubt we can use anything from toichwiz library without getting bashed by samsung.
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I think the reason why Samsung did not release a version of ICS for the international Note with the Japanese language is because Docomo sells the Japan variant of the Note call the SC-05D, as the international Note was never intended to be sold there to begin with.
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Thanks. Will CM9 be able to install and run Premium Suite for sure?
If I install CM9 and my Note needs repairing, will Samsung refuses to do so by saying that I have voided the warranty?
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Premium Suite depends on TouchWiz, hence will not be available within CM9 - unfortunately.
As far as warranty is concerned, whenever you need to use their service, you can flash stock firmware back and they won't notice the change.
Just bought the Galaxy Note with Android 2.3.6 pre-installed. I plan to stay with this OS at least for two weeks. I know that there are apps to allow one to enter Japanese. Is there one that allows me to change the system font to Japanese? Any recommended apps to allow Japanese voice recognition? Thanks.
sutekidane said:
I think the reason why Samsung did not release a version of ICS for the international Note with the Japanese language is because Docomo sells the Japan variant of the Note call the SC-05D, as the international Note was never intended to be sold there to begin with.
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Really? So there's no Japanese in any of the firmwares for the "global" Note? What's the point of that stupid variant? <_< Different hardware? (like the Note for AT&T).
Is there any way to add a system language without switching completely to custom roms? (I mean, just taking any official rom and add Japanese to the languages already available). Keyboards are easy to have, I've been using Google's for flick input and mazec for handwriting.
Oh well... I'm going to buy the Note and was hoping of using it in Japanese (just for fun, I'm not Japanese, just learning)... :crying:
Hello!
I will buy one Meizu MX4 and I would like to know if there is anyone who has already one to know his impresions.
I have to say that I will buy it on Aliexpress ( china Price) and not in the Meizu Mart that is $150 more expensive
Thanks
I don't own a MX4 yet but I'm following it closely.
Today I read a very positive review made by HDblog.it, an important Italian website.
They say this device has good display, loud speaker and take great pictures.
They experienced some minor software glitches, but nothing major and we know that software issues can be corrected easily.
meizu mx4
I am also interested in Meizu MX4. But I am not sure about some points.
I can buy from China, but it will be Chinese model not global market model. Global market model is much more expensive.
So what are the differences beween these 2 models? I will use it in Europe, hence can I use both models or I do have to buy the global version.
There is also a watch accesorry for MX4, do you have any details for the watch?
Do anybody know how to get this dark theme and these quick toggles, that have no text label below?
http://blog.meizu.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/App-Meizu-blog-10.jpg
negriton said:
Hello!
I will buy one Meizu MX4 and I would like to know if there is anyone who has already one to know his impresions.
I have to say that I will buy it on Aliexpress ( china Price) and not in the Meizu Mart that is $150 more expensive
Thanks
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I'm interested in the phone as well. There is review on http://chinese-smartphones.com which is pretty positive about the phone. They say the display is awesome and also very positive about the camera (which is Sony). Doubting if I will order one or stay with my Xperia Z1 compact
GizmoChina blog provides a huge discount coupon (105$) by sharing their site on Facebook, Twitter and Google +.
Your humble servant did the dirty work for you so we could enjoy the coupon);
The coupon work on the site "GearBest" - that is the official distributor of the company "Meizu" and therefore they provides a full two year warranty.
The Price after The coupon is $344 and it includes free shipping. They are accepting PayPal.
Instructions:
Using coupons on this site require site registration. Just provide email and password, and get confirmation of registration by email. That All!
The coupon code is: "Gizmochina", and it works only through this link, provided me by their blog:
gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_73042.html#vip=9901
According to the blog, only 30 left in stock devices. I do not know if this is true or not, but I already ordered mine anyway
Please note that the coupon will only work today.
Enjoy Guys!
I'm waiting for a MX4
I have received my Meizu MX4 yesterday!
It's very good, it works fine and today i have installed via OTA the Flyme 4.0.3I.
I use it with Nova Launcher, because i don't like very much the original launcher and i was using it in my old S3.
The camera is superlative!!!!!! I shoot a photo of my keyboard, and i see each dust element between the keys! It's awesome!
Bye
TheJackall
you got a i version with bootloader unlocked .... with intl firmware
I just receive yesterday my mx4
Ist a m460 china with C at end of the firmware, the second chinese mx4 is with U at end of firmware from china unicom m461
Both chinese phone are same hardware and band
Finally my M460 work great in france all wcdma 3G and 4g band too fdd-lte
My guess they are all the same hardware
The only different is..
Both chinese are locked bootloader.. so can flash only chinese rom (C, U or A non branded rom)
And intk version is bootloader unlocked so you can flash all firmware
Engineer mode (for checking band)
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My mx4
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any mx4 owner here that knows any custom rom for this phone?
I hate flyme. I like the knock to wake, but this is laggy. And I can't change my default messaging app.
Thanks!
No custom room....
No custom rom yet.
But in meizu official forum, the adm agree with cyanogen developer to give the things to develop the custom rom.
So, I hope soon we wiil get a good custom rom for this lovely device
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kikuto said:
No custom rom yet.
But in meizu official forum, the adm agree with cyanogen developer to give the things to develop the custom rom.
So, I hope soon we wiil get a good custom rom for this lovely device
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Are there different roms? The provider claims norwegian language, but not on my phone?
The future
leholtet said:
Are there different roms? The provider claims norwegian language, but not on my phone?
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Not yet. At the moment we have only flyme OS 4.0, by Meizu, based on Android 4.4. Soon we will have Cyanogem rom and ubuntu phone.
About norwegian language, I can't help you
Ok.. Well- i guess we need a custom rom for this phone- even a "standard" android would do.. i dont think flyme is any good at all- and their "back button" functions doesnt work.. even on google play when you watch screenshots, you cant get out of it..
Are there 100% sure that cyanogenmod will come?
For me Flyme Is bugged and lagging the phone
Anyone know the best deal for the mx4 at the moment?
kikuto said:
No custom rom yet.
But in meizu official forum, the adm agree with cyanogen developer to give the things to develop the custom rom.
So, I hope soon we wiil get a good custom rom for this lovely device
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I really doubt that you will get a huge amount on custom Roms for this phone, maybe CM, but when? This phone is designed for enjoying fast interaction, for taking nice photos, for playing in high resolution... but not for flashing Roms... Blame mediatek for not releasing the source code. I really like this phone, but the unavailability of Roms is a no go for me...
"Droidfish test" on Meizu MX4
@TheJackall @supercowz @Hwoarang04 ...everyone
Could someone 'benchmark' MX4 with Droidfish?
It could be 'top' with its MTK6595...
1) Install Droidfish on play. google:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.petero.droidfish
2) Clear all apps in background (hold home and swipe them away) and then run droidfish.
3) Press the menu button, invoke "Settings", choose "Threads" and select "Automatic", and then press back button to get back to chess board.
4) There is button with label "M" below chess board. Press it and choose "Analysis Mode". Analysis will start. Keep it running for about 1 minute.
5) After 1 minute passed, read and record the "knps": number at bottom of the screen. This is the measurement I'm interested in. This value is a number of positions searched per second (in thousands). The higher the better.
6) IMPORTANT: To force program to STOP thinking, press "M" button again, choose "Two players" so that analysis will stop. Post the results here with rom information (optional). Stock rom is preferable but other roms are welcomed.
Thank you!
K3nshiro said:
I really doubt that you will get a huge amount on custom Roms for this phone, maybe CM, but when? This phone is designed for enjoying fast interaction, for taking nice photos, for playing in high resolution... but not for flashing Roms... Blame mediatek for not releasing the source code. I really like this phone, but the unavailability of Roms is a no go for me...
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Yes, you're right, but will the Exynos of MX4 PRO release the source?
And why mediatek or any other cpu/soc producer for smartphones will not release the source code?I mean if they release the code there will be more custom stuff and it will be a good point for a smartphone android.
Hi. I own the 5.5' Idol 3 (6045Y).
This is just some information I received about three weeks ago and I just wanted to share it.
This is the official response that I got from the Alcatel One Touch team on Facebook.
I was thinking about buying the idol 3 (despite the many reviews where the laggy performance is mentioned, which is somewhat true).
Nevertheless, I bought it. For the price it has some unbeatable specs which don't quite perform as they should due to lack of optimization. If they did, this device would be excellent. Moto G (3rd gen) is the perfect example of a well optimized device which is a serious downgrade in specs compared to the Idol 3, but performs slightly better. I know because I own them both.
Still, what I was hoping for THE MOST with the Idol 3, since this is considered Alcatel's flagship model, were at least a couple of system updates. At least one for Lollipop 5.1.1.
However, now according to their official response, we're not getting that, not to mention something like Marshmallow 6.0.
I mean, even the Moto G is getting that for Christ's sake!
Very, very poor customer care. I was maybe even expecting this to some extent. But I was hoping that this brand wised up with this device.
However, Alcatel remains Alcatel, if you know what I mean. But hey, at least they were honest enough with the response.
So, there it is. Maybe this will be of some use for future buyers to think about.
P.S. I'm new to XDA and I'm posting this thread from the desktop but I can't find any option to attach the messages screenshots. If someone could tell me how to do that, that'd be great. Thanks.
Idol3Owner said:
Hi. I own the 5.5' Idol 3 (6045Y).
This is just some information I received about three weeks ago and I just wanted to share it.
This is the official response that I got from the Alcatel One Touch team on Facebook.
I was thinking about buying the idol 3 (despite the many reviews where the laggy performance is mentioned, which is somewhat true).
Nevertheless, I bought it. For the price it has some unbeatable specs which don't quite perform as they should due to lack of optimization. If they did, this device would be excellent. Moto G (3rd gen) is the perfect example of a well optimized device which is a serious downgrade in specs compared to the Idol 3, but performs slightly better. I know because I own them both.
Still, what I was hoping for THE MOST with the Idol 3, since this is considered Alcatel's flagship model, were at least a couple of system updates. At least one for Lollipop 5.1.1.
However, now according to their official response, we're not getting that, not to mention something like Marshmallow 6.0.
I mean, even the Moto G is getting that for Christ's sake!
Very, very poor customer care. I was maybe even expecting this to some extent. But I was hoping that this brand wised up with this device.
However, Alcatel remains Alcatel, if you know what I mean. But hey, at least they were honest enough with the response.
So, there it is. Maybe this will be of some use for future buyers to think about.
P.S. I'm new to XDA and I'm posting this thread from the desktop but I can't find any option to attach the messages screenshots. If someone could tell me how to do that, that'd be great. Thanks.
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I wouldn't trust Alcatel customer support to tell me what day of the week it was. There have been multiple occasions where they have told folks on this forum things that ended up being blatant lies. When I first placed my order I tried to cancel it 1 hour after I placed it because I was charged shipping where it showed free shipping...I planned to simply cancel and re-order..something that should have taken 5 minutes...I spent a week going back and forth with Alcatel telling me I needed to cancel the order with amazon even sending them screenshots showing amazon would not allow me to cancel the order and the only reason it ever was "resolved" was that the stupid thing finally shipped after a week.
Actually I can confirm TCL is working on Marshmallow for the Idol 3, the bad news is it won't be released until the end of this year.
HughJanus said:
Actually I can confirm TCL is working on Marshmallow for the Idol 3, the bad news is it won't be released until the end of this year.
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I hope you're right. How did you confirm it?
I got Marshmallow on it right now, I trust this custom rom more than TCL that makes me factory reset after every update.
Yeah, I would do research and get answers from more than one source. Before saying that Alcatel is not working on a 5.1.1 update. The person who replied on Facebook is just one source. I would email Alcatel support and see what they say when they reply. Of course this would depend on the knowledge of the person who replies, and if he/she speaks with the people that create the updates for the Idol 3.
mokash34 said:
I hope you're right. How did you confirm it?
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Source within TCL that told me initially that they would release 5.1 but later announced they canceled their plans for 5.1 to go directly to 6.0. anyway, I prefer to wait a bit and get a really stable marshmallow rom than a somewhat buggy 5.1. most memory leaks and performance issues have been ironed out in 6.0.
Karly Johnston said:
I got Marshmallow on it right now, I trust this custom rom more than TCL that makes me factory reset after every update.
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Lol you have marshmallows on your idol 3 right now?
Karly Johnston said:
I got Marshmallow on it right now, I trust this custom rom more than TCL that makes me factory reset after every update.
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You say you have Marshmallow running right now - I am assuming you have a custom ROM - so I have a question for you - Are you able to use Android Pay with your custom ROM on your Idol3 ? Android Pay has become one of the major uses for me with my new device - and I am trying to find out if it would still work if I rooted the device and put on a custom ROM. I have heard otherwise, but since you already have a custom ROM on this device, maybe you can clear this up for me.
TIA
stl1859 said:
You say you have Marshmallow running right now - I am assuming you have a custom ROM - so I have a question for you - Are you able to use Android Pay with your custom ROM on your Idol3 ? Android Pay has become one of the major uses for me with my new device - and I am trying to find out if it would still work if I rooted the device and put on a custom ROM. I have heard otherwise, but since you already have a custom ROM on this device, maybe you can clear this up for me.
TIA
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Google does not allow custom roms to include GAPPS (Google apps) which includes google play etc...however there are various "GAPPS" available...paranoidandroid produces one for each version of android for instance...so it's a simple matter of flashing the rom first...then gapps.
famewolf said:
Google does not allow custom roms to include GAPPS (Google apps) which includes google play etc...however there are various "GAPPS" available...paranoidandroid produces one for each version of android for instance...so it's a simple matter of flashing the rom first...then gapps.
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I know I can flash gapps separately from a custom ROM - I have done it many times before. But this is not merely about flashing gapps and getting the Android Pay app on to the phone. It has been widely reported that Android Pay does not work on rooted devices. I am just looking for confirmation from someone that has this device and already has a custom ROM on it.
Alcatel/TCL support for update is totally poor... For every single model...
So I don't believe it will get 6.0
Too bad cause Idol3 5.5 is good phone and with specs could handle 6.0...
stl1859 said:
I know I can flash gapps separately from a custom ROM - I have done it many times before. But this is not merely about flashing gapps and getting the Android Pay app on to the phone. It has been widely reported that Android Pay does not work on rooted devices. I am just looking for confirmation from someone that has this device and already has a custom ROM on it.
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Given that no custom rom's have been made PUBLIC-ALLY available you'll probably have to wait a while for an answer. Google Play comes with the stock Rom and works fine. Best I can tell you for now.
stl1859 said:
I know I can flash gapps separately from a custom ROM - I have done it many times before. But this is not merely about flashing gapps and getting the Android Pay app on to the phone. It has been widely reported that Android Pay does not work on rooted devices. I am just looking for confirmation from someone that has this device and already has a custom ROM on it.
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Android Pay can work on a rooted device but not without some workarounds and not an all devices. I know this is vague but you can Google a workaround posted on Reddit.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...cs2AWiOpbIL3N_THg&sig2=n8MemJfiaZN-nsuOXK4eVQ
stl1859 said:
You say you have Marshmallow running right now - I am assuming you have a custom ROM - so I have a question for you - Are you able to use Android Pay with your custom ROM on your Idol3 ? Android Pay has become one of the major uses for me with my new device - and I am trying to find out if it would still work if I rooted the device and put on a custom ROM. I have heard otherwise, but since you already have a custom ROM on this device, maybe you can clear this up for me.
TIA
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No, Google will not allow it to work on rooted devices for security reasons.
HughJanus said:
Actually I can confirm TCL is working on Marshmallow for the Idol 3, the bad news is it won't be released until the end of this year.
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I wouldn't mind at all waiting a couple more months for Marshmallow 6. It's just that since I got the response from their official facebook page about not planning to update even to Lollipop 5.1 I remain sceptical about 6.0.
Anyway, I really hope then that you're right and I'm wrong.
Can you post a screenshot of their answer?
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Someone asked about future updates on FB. They got that reply:
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Kinda same answer I got.
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Idol3Owner said:
Hi. I own the 5.5' Idol 3 (6045Y).
This is just some information I received about three weeks ago and I just wanted to share it.
This is the official response that I got from the Alcatel One Touch team on Facebook.
I was thinking about buying the idol 3 (despite the many reviews where the laggy performance is mentioned, which is somewhat true).
Nevertheless, I bought it. For the price it has some unbeatable specs which don't quite perform as they should due to lack of optimization. If they did, this device would be excellent. Moto G (3rd gen) is the perfect example of a well optimized device which is a serious downgrade in specs compared to the Idol 3, but performs slightly better. I know because I own them both.
Still, what I was hoping for THE MOST with the Idol 3, since this is considered Alcatel's flagship model, were at least a couple of system updates. At least one for Lollipop 5.1.1.
However, now according to their official response, we're not getting that, not to mention something like Marshmallow 6.0.
I mean, even the Moto G is getting that for Christ's sake!
Very, very poor customer care. I was maybe even expecting this to some extent. But I was hoping that this brand wised up with this device.
However, Alcatel remains Alcatel, if you know what I mean. But hey, at least they were honest enough with the response.
So, there it is. Maybe this will be of some use for future buyers to think about.
P.S. I'm new to XDA and I'm posting this thread from the desktop but I can't find any option to attach the messages screenshots. If someone could tell me how to do that, that'd be great. Thanks.
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I disagree with this post.
If you look at at the amount of Android phones out there, being upgraded to the latest (non-security) Android OS is the exception to the rule. That is why I had a Nexus phone prior to the Idol 3. Comparing a Motorola phone to an Alcatel phone is insincere as well because Google bought (and then later sold) Motorola, so in terms of treatment for updates, they get specialized treatment.
I know everyone here have the same sentiments, coming from Xperia Neo and Samsung S4, custom roms and kernels are everywhere you'll be hard press on choosing which one you'll flash. Heck you can flash at your hearts content. Even my Lenovo K860 have support but looking at 6 months after our G4 has been release few support for custom roms and kernel can be seen. We've even struggling to unlock our bootloaders, comparing to the recently released Nexus 6P maaaan their threads are flouring with development that made me think I have chosen the wrong flagship. Praying that maybe next year things will change, the promise of LG for more unlocked device will see its fruition.
i love this phone over my s4 and s6, BUT, and thats a big but, the missed touches is infuriating and i cant recommended it at all cause of it.
Simply i feel boring with G4. It's prefect phone but android without root or unlocked bootloader ! This jail. No blocks ad no customs roms no etc... Some time i thinking i take the wrong choice ?
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yes...
i'm very frustrating with this phone because it's impossible to update to MM and root with locked bootloader .... :crying:
it's horrible ,i'm disapointed ... :crying:
A MM succesfuly flashed is better than LP ....with his auto-grenify optimisations ,privacyguard....etc..and have more battery life and more touchscreen responsive...etc...
Android 6 is a good update of 5 ...but near the same thing of base.
.but i need root .
And LG firmwares are very good compared to Samsung for example...
but for customs ,in the past with GB/JB/KK ,i loved them....but i don't like at all CM politics of development with "eternal" nightlies developments with theirs too much merged ,revert parts...and when when they fix things there are other(s) bug(s)...and recursings bugs....
It's a complete regession too,with his known photo/videos apps and others compared to stock for hights devices like G4/S6/XperiaZ ...etc...
And for the future : with MM and news bootloaders more and more securised (due to "bad" criminals hackers ) ,if manufacturers will decide to don't unlock theirs devices ===> it's the end of the story of all developments ...obscur future
Now ,it seem that Chainfire and others completely fail to root these news locked devices...total unsucces at this time.... and that feel bad omen.
Why does it need support? I run stock and all parts of my phone work just fine.
Zero issues. Works as LG/Google intended.
You guys are just trying too hard. Maybe just try using your smartphone as it was intended? Seriously some of you are over analysing this and spending too much effort on it.
Just relax. It's all good.
I think this is complaining on a very high level. Things appear to be working fine out of the box. I don't understand why you would complain about not enough "modding".
And maybe you should've checked the threads on the android forums before you bought the G4, whose development seems to be so important to you. So why you didn't do that in the first place?
I'd recommend doing a few searches and information gathering before you buy a ~500€ phone, if development is such a big thing for you
daglesj said:
Why does it need support? I run stock and all parts of my phone work just fine.
Zero issues. Works as LG/Google intended.
You guys are just trying too hard. Maybe just try using your smartphone as it was intended? Seriously some of you are over analysing this and spending too much effort on it.
Just relax. It's all good.
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Agreed
I'm stock but rooted, I love this phone, it's smooth, snappy, the screen is absolutely amazing.
These days I will only flash a quality ROM, not just any old ROM simply because it exists, those days are behind me. If that's what people want then yes, they should have bought a Nexus device, as that's kind of it's main reason for being!
I will admit the bootloader situation is not good for a large proportion of users, and that may be the top reason why it isn't being taken up by many devs. Claiming it voids the warranty is misplaced as isn't that the case with every major manufacturer ? The exceptions being Nexus devices and cheap Chinese handsets (and good luck with warranty in that case anyway!)
Tbh if I want a phone that just works I would rather buy an iPhone.
If this is everything you need then YOU have bought the wrong phone.
Btw. whats wrong with the development?
There is an working offical CM13 Version with daylie updates. And even some modded CM Versions.
We have an outstanding offical CM Developer who is fixing bugs as soon as they appear.
And modded stock Roms.
LG offers an official bootloader unlock and will (as stated a lot in the forums) repair hardware failures regardless of it.
So grab your balls, unlock and enjoy.
I did and do not regret.
And blame LG for the devices that can't be unlocked but not the community or development.
I'm coming from S4 and believe me that was pure pain.
Btw. googy_anas joined the community so expect custom Kernels soon.
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LG offers an official bootloader unlock and will (as stated a lot in the forums) repair hardware failures regardless of it.
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Hmm, well if that was indeed the case then i'd be particularly interested in doing a bootloader unlock and flashing CM13. Perhaps a dumb question, but how do LG know whether the bootloader has been unlocked? When i had the original 2013 Moto G, unlocking the bootloader produced this horrible warning screen at startup, is it something similar on the G4?
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So grab your balls, unlock and enjoy.
I did and do not regret.
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Amen brother
P650SE said:
unlocking the bootloader produced this horrible warning screen at startup, is it something similar on the G4?
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Yes, on bootloader it says:
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Overlayed on top left in terminal font
Yeh there is a message at boot on the upper left corner.
yes...it's sure that you have reason
This G4 is fantastic too ,yes...
For me ,i just want to root this MM ...
But for to unlock a bootloader ,it's a own choice of persons and we have nothing to say about that...
The real question is : what are LG laws about warranty exactly ? like root, the hardware is not affected by this warranty or the phone is considered as "lost" in case of problem ?
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i love this phone over my s4 and s6, BUT, and thats a big but, the missed touches is infuriating and i cant recommended it at all cause of it.
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Scout around the forum and flash the latest KDZ for your region. That fixed my H815 twn of all the lag and missed touches.
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I think this is complaining on a very high level. Things appear to be working fine out of the box. I don't understand why you would complain about not enough "modding".
And maybe you should've checked the threads on the android forums before you bought the G4, whose development seems to be so important to you. So why you didn't do that in the first place?
I'd recommend doing a few searches and information gathering before you buy a ~500€ phone, if development is such a big thing for you
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As @P650SE said I would have bought an iPhone if out of the box experience were my sole reason in buying a phone. I agree that it's somewhat my fault in not looking first at the forum before I purchased my G4 but I saw the thing and it just struck me as my soul mate. It's just feel that the phone is specially made just for you. I missed the old days when few phones would come out and the support for those phones were superb. I love my G4 no doubt but looking at Nexus 6P thread got me jealous , oh also if you'll looked at LG V10 thread same goes for the people there few support vs the 6P. I'm not a dev or modder my self, I'm a flash addict you can say so forgive me if I offended you. I assume to much buying a flagship from LG maybe a nexus for me after 2 years
i feel it comes from the fact that lg locked up them selves so hard that people who dont have the int version just wont work had for it.
this is were the lg g4 falls.
i dont understand why the lg g4 oem camera can not be moved as is to a cm based
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Scout around the forum and flash the latest KDZ for your region. That fixed my H815 twn of all the lag and missed touches.
As @P650SE said I would have bought an iPhone if out of the box experience were my sole reason in buying a phone. I agree that it's somewhat my fault in not looking first at the forum before I purchased my G4 but I saw the thing and it just struck me as my soul mate. It's just feel that the phone is specially made just for you. I missed the old days when few phones would come out and the support for those phones were superb. I love my G4 no doubt but looking at Nexus 6P thread got me jealous , oh also if you'll looked at LG V10 thread same goes for the people there few support vs the 6P. I'm not a dev or modder my self, I'm a flash addict you can say so forgive me if I offended you. I assume to much buying a flagship from LG maybe a nexus for me after 2 years
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No offense here, bro. Everything cool. I can somehow understand what you're talking about. Still I think that this phone is awesome as it is out of the box. Actually you don't need to mod it, but I'm a flashaholic myself and I have no doubts, that development is kinda lame compared to other devices.
But you can't compare it to a Nexus 6P or 5X, since these are original android phones and, with that in mind, they surely have the most developers and most development out there.
It's like comparing the development of a VW Golf to a Mercedes Benz (Not talking about the expense, but about interested people, market shares etc.) and, not at least, developing for an original android phone might be easier and more worthy for developers (I'm not a developer myself, just guessing).
So don't be dissapointed. I think what's going on in the G4 threads is still enough for any person who likes to mod.
At least for h815 version. If you don't have the international model, ok, you're f**ked :laugh:
i think that we all have found this "love" ...
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i feel it comes from the fact that lg locked up them selves so hard that people who dont have the int version just wont work had for it.
this is were the lg g4 falls.
i dont understand why the lg g4 oem camera can not be moved as is to a cm based
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The same reason why most LG apps or apps from other manufacturers cannot be easyly ported. They are locked into the framework.
Afaik codeworkx said that it has to be reverse engineered which he tryed but its impossible for him to do that.
Thats why he modded the open camera instead.
We could start a bounty maybe it will attrackt some people who can do that.
it's completely useless to tweak and search to "optimise" phones with all olds tricks (external build.prop ,zip and others...) ,it's persistent in the mind of some peoples..
it was true at the begining with E/F/GB/JB systems but now the modern android versions really already have best evolutions inside....and phones are very very powerful.
I have tried things with KK but i NEVER see REAL difference ...(placebo effects ? )but in some cases it's the opposite (laggs,drains, buggs...)
Now for "geeks" like ours ,,some people continue to be fan of customs (for the style)....and others (more and more peoples in this case ! ) just want to root ...and some of these ones for xposed .
And we all represent a very big minority of phones users because generaly the consumers but a devise and normaly "just" use it without changes...a phone correctly do calls, sms ,web ,social , some games ...without all that .
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The same reason why most LG apps or apps from other manufacturers cannot be easyly ported. They are locked into the framework.
Afaik codeworkx said that it has to be reverse engineered which he tryed but its impossible for him to do that.
Thats why he modded the open camera instead.
We could start a bounty maybe it will attrackt some people who can do that.
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i think all custom rom users will join
I wonder if this is the death blow for Pay if your not 100% stock and bootloader locked?
I'm stock, unlocked, custom kernel and no root.
My pay failed today and I could not figure out why, I read a thread where someone did a complete wipe and still failed saftynet. It seems that Google shut the door for Pay regardless if your rooted, you just have to be unlocked.
Any thoughts this can be worked around? Or like Chainfire said, it's just a matter of time before Google shuts the door.
Exact same issue for me this morning... I have an unlocked bootloader but since upgrading to 7.0 I haven't rooted and I am completely stock - Android Pay failed. I ran Safetynet Helper and it failed with a CTS Profile Match: False.
As far as I am aware nothing has changed on my phone between me going to sleep last night and waking up this morning...
SafetyNet is now sensing bootloader status.
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So, I know folks like Chainfire was able to always figure out someway to get things to work with root. Being its at the bootloader level, do you think its possible that folks would be able to figure something out? I suppose Google is just trying to aim more towards the general population, which I suppose I can't blame them, they are a for profit company. Between the Nexus current news, Pixel only software and now this, it seems to be getting clearer what direction they are going. How long until no financial app works if not bone stock? And what about like Netflix, PSVue, etc., really any app that does not want to allow any mods to the phone just wont work anymore.
Game over. You must submit. Stay inside the lines.
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Game over. You must submit. Stay inside the lines.
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That all just depends on the user. What's more important to you, root or AP? Do you want a more secure platform, or not? All they're really doing is forcing people to make that choice. Personally, I don't use AP very much, and when I do it's more to say, "Hey, that's cool, it works", so the choice is pretty simple for me :good:
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That all just depends on the user. What's more important to you, root or AP? Do you want a more secure platform, or not? All they're really doing is forcing people to make that choice. Personally, I don't use AP very much, and when I do it's more to say, "Hey, that's cool, it works", so the choice is pretty simple for me :good:
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My fear is that what is going to stop all apps from just building that check in and denying use? Apple has always been a walled environment, it was understood to a point, thank you Cydia. Google's implementation of Android on the Nexus was the main selling point to me. It was never the best device for me really, I have nothing but Mac's and the iPhone integrates great with the laptops, but again the open nature of the Nexus kept me hooked. It seems all the recent moves from Google is showing a different path, which I completely understand, but for me, I have to put the iPhone back at the top for my next phone, I'm not too sure what the current Android offerings do for me. Would the only way to get plain AOSP on my phone be to unlock and root? Or will I have to match my phone and software and really not be able to utilize all the available apps because if I want to mod something, I can't without possibly breaking apps? Or do I just not give a crap anymore and just smile and nod with my shiny new iPhone?
I just had this fail on me just yesterday. I unlocked bootloader, flashed stock Nougat firmware from google's dev site, left bootloader unlocked and just set up my device. Android Pay failed. Contacted Google, they told me to perform a factory reset, failed again. I just told them that I am assuming that the bootloader has to be locked in order for it to work. Locked and yes, it started working. I use AP almost on the daily, whether is be for the vending machines at the public park for when I pick up my daughter or for Uber. DAMN IT GOOGLE!!!
Interesting to note that Pokemon Go must not be using SafetyNet anymore. I flashed the developer preview images and am stock no root/custom recovery. SafetyNet fails, but PoGo still works.
I had a fail this morning in a shop I always use it,git a message saying cannot be used on this device .I'm unlocked bootloader but never rooted,on beta programme so running 7.1 but had same thing a few days ago running 7.0,prior to the AP recent update I was using it in problem in 7.0 with unlocked BL
Also how do you relock the BL ,don't flash ROMs etc anymore so may as well lock it if it allows AP
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My fear is that what is going to stop all apps from just building that check in and denying use? Apple has always been a walled environment, it was understood to a point, thank you Cydia. Google's implementation of Android on the Nexus was the main selling point to me. It was never the best device for me really, I have nothing but Mac's and the iPhone integrates great with the laptops, but again the open nature of the Nexus kept me hooked. It seems all the recent moves from Google is showing a different path, which I completely understand, but for me, I have to put the iPhone back at the top for my next phone, I'm not too sure what the current Android offerings do for me. Would the only way to get plain AOSP on my phone be to unlock and root? Or will I have to match my phone and software and really not be able to utilize all the available apps because if I want to mod something, I can't without possibly breaking apps? Or do I just not give a crap anymore and just smile and nod with my shiny new iPhone?
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Not sure Googles selling point was ever rooting and modding , the selling point of Nexus for me was a clean OS , fast and smooth, updates etc. rooting / modding was a bonus, Android as a whole still offers a tonne more options for customization and utility than the iPhone even without rooting.
For me Root and custom ROMs are slowely dying imo anyways, not much need for me to root anymore . again this is just my opinion, but i never get why people are like " oh no root ?back to iPhone then" really? like that's the other difference, youre going back to a much much more locked down OS because you can't have root ?
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Not sure Googles selling point was ever rooting and modding , the selling point of Nexus for me was a clean OS , fast and smooth, updates etc. rooting / modding was a bonus, Android as a whole still offers a tonne more options for customization and utility than the iPhone even without rooting.
For me Root and custom ROMs are slowely dying imo anyways, not much need for me to root anymore . again this is just my opinion, but i never get why people are like " oh no root ?back to iPhone then" really? like that's the other difference, youre going back to a much much more locked down OS because you can't have root ?
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Thanks for the comments, they did make me think. I 100% agree with you regarding root, since N I've not rooted and kept pretty much to stock with the exception of a custom kernel.
So for me that's not the issue as much as this bl check. Here's my issue in a nutshell; last week I wanted to try Google Assist on my phone, not a problem. The zip did not touch anything that broke Pay. Bring that forward say a year. Now 50% of the apps check bl and if unlocked, no dice. If Google really wanted Assist to only be on the Pixel, check and see if unlocked and it just does not function. That's my issue. I also understand completely why Google is doing what they are doing, I think they could of gave a nod to us folks by maybe making you initial your OK with all that unlocking the bl'er signifies, you get my point.
I also agree with you regarding ROM's, Googles ui has become feature friendly enough where I've not bothered to flash any ROM, once I add LMT pie I'm pretty happy. As for IOS, the main selling point to me is the tight integration with the other devices, right now I use Pushbullet to get close to the same level of integration. My wife and kids also are iPhone users and no need to discuss Googles abortive messaging issues.
Last comment; I'm not getting rid of my 6P so fast, what this does is simply put the iPhone back in what I would think about getting when I'm ready. Whereas before I would not even consider it.
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Thanks for the comments, they did make me think. I 100% agree with you regarding root, since N I've not rooted and kept pretty much to stock with the exception of a custom kernel.
So for me that's not the issue as much as this bl check. Here's my issue in a nutshell; last week I wanted to try Google Assist on my phone, not a problem. The zip did not touch anything that broke Pay. Bring that forward say a year. Now 50% of the apps check bl and if unlocked, no dice. If Google really wanted Assist to only be on the Pixel, check and see if unlocked and it just does not function. That's my issue.
I also agree with you regarding ROM's, Googles ui has become feature friendly enough where I've not bothered to flash any ROM, once I add LMT pie I'm pretty happy. As for IOS, the main selling point to me is the tight integration with the other devices, right now I use Pushbullet to get close to the same level of integration. My wife and kids also are iPhone users and no need to discuss Googles abortive messaging issues.
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Fair points, unfortunately the majority of people on Android are not us on xda... unlocking bootloader is a vulnerability in itself, it allows for custom recoverys. People want more security but that comes at a price.
I do get your point though. I either case, I've just locked my bootloader this morning, had to start fresh but wasn't too bad, Android pay working of course
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Question for you guys. I am coming from the S5 with a locked BL. my previous was the s3 and it was all kinds of unlocked. Very fun device back in the day. I JUST got my 6p and have unlocked it and rooted it. I added google assistant and maybe plan a few aesthetic mods like a circle battery. Maybe do the pixel experience. other than that, I dont plan to do much more customization. Keep it pretty stock. I rooted for the ad blocking and mobile hot spot. so big question is can I re-lock the bootloader and keep root? If so, then I do understand that i need to wipe to re-unlock it again. thanks,
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Prior to the update to AP I used it on my phone in the 15 th no problem,now I get this .Never been rooted but BL is unlocked.Going to relock the BL
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Relocked my bootloader and working again
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combat goofwing said:
Relocked my bootloader and working again
did relocking wipe your phone or no? i know that unlocking for sure wipes, but haven't found a definitive answer regarding relocking. thanks.
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Yes relocking wipes the phone and you must be stock rom and recovery prior to moving or it will brick
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italia0101 said:
Fair points, unfortunately the majority of people on Android are not us on xda... unlocking bootloader is a vulnerability in itself, it allows for custom recoverys. People want more security but that comes at a price.
I do get your point though. I either case, I've just locked my bootloader this morning, had to start fresh but wasn't too bad, Android pay working of course
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The unlocked bootloader indicates a huge risk. Even more then root. The volume of malicious android apps is growing at an alarming rate. With an unlocked bootloader it is possible to install a malicious app, but also to root, change the OS (as in a rootkit) so that everythng appears normal, but in reality everything in the OS is compromised. Root can then be removed or 100% hidden.
Google is avoiding the financial risk as best as possible - so looking for an unlocked bootloader is a better indicator then looking for root. It may indicate a false positive for some, but it protects AP 100%.
Google doesn't want the financial insecurities that exist in the desktop world - on all platforms (mac, linux, and windows).