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I noticed that a LOT of people on these Android Development threads are complaining of a "black SOD" they receive even AFTER reformatting their SD cards and reinstalling everything properly. Basically this is an SOD except the screen backlight is on but there aren't any icons.. Similar to the back-lit screen you see before the unlock screen appears, except the phone isn't locked (sometimes, it is).
I noticed this problem when I first started using Android, and let me tell you, it was quite frustrating!! I tried everything. All different WinMo ROMS, multiple Android ROMs, radios; you name it, and I probably tried it. Until one day...
... I finally came upon the solution: the SD card!! For some reason, I wanted to try out a different SD card other than the stock 16GB one. I don't exactly remember the thread or the URL, but I do recall reading a bit of info that helped lead to this conclusion. For me, I switched to the 2GB from my BlackBerry and haven't had one single "black SOD" since that change.
I am posting this thread in the development forum because I constantly see people with the same frustration.. Which in turn leads to them blaming the build itself. I urge the dev's to post a note in their threads with this solution, as it will help diminish unnecessary bickering/bashing/posting that these dev's must deal with regarding this issue. Also, I am posting it here because I tried MULTIPLE 'Droid builds and this was the only solution that worked for me.
Let me know if this helps anybody with their dreaded black SOD!! And a big thank you to all the dev's for their extraordinary hard work and dedication in bringing the amazing Android OS to our beloved HD2's.
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I noticed that a LOT of people on these Android Development threads are complaining of a "black SOD" they receive even AFTER reformatting their SD cards and reinstalling everything properly. Basically this is an SOD except the screen backlight is on but there aren't any icons.. Similar to the back-lit screen you see before the unlock screen appears, except the phone isn't locked (sometimes, it is).
I noticed this problem when I first started using Android, and let me tell you, it was quite frustrating!! I tried everything. All different WinMo ROMS, multiple Android ROMs, radios; you name it, and I probably tried it. Until one day...
... I finally came upon the solution: the SD card!! For some reason, I wanted to try out a different SD card other than the stock 16GB one. I don't exactly remember the thread or the URL, but I do recall reading a bit of info that helped lead to this conclusion. For me, I switched to the 2GB from my BlackBerry and haven't had one single "black SOD" since that change.
I am posting this thread in the development forum because I constantly see people with the same frustration.. Which in turn leads to them blaming the build itself. I urge the dev's to post a note in their threads with this solution, as it will help diminish unnecessary bickering/bashing/posting that these dev's must deal with regarding this issue. Also, I am posting it here because I tried MULTIPLE 'Droid builds and this was the only solution that worked for me.
Let me know if this helps anybody with their dreaded black SOD!! And a big thank you to all the dev's for their extraordinary hard work and dedication in bringing the amazing Android OS to our beloved HD2's.
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+1... and i believe it's not just the SOD that our SD card is causing.. even the music stuttering, which some people are blaming the problem with the build, kernel and now the enabling of stagefright.. it's not consistent as only some people would have certain issues while most others don't.. i myself have fixed the SOD and music stuttering by replacing the sd card or just by simply fomatting the card.. so i think until we run the full Android on NAND, we would see a lot of incosistencies on the issue of the builds.. unless of course if the problem was something like "camera" for the desire HD build doesn't work.. that you can blame on the kernel as everyone has the same problem therefore consistency on the issue..
I already knew that it was the sd card. Since I never had any sod since august 1. (Started android using there)
I have been getting these alot recently. But it doesnt seem to be the SDcard for me. I can play music just fine without any stuttering. Im also been sufferring alot from touch screen freezes which is at its worst when walking on foot, yet its not so bad when on the move in a vehicle. strange.
+1 for me too.
Had exactly the same with an 8gb SD card but, since switching to a 4gb SD card, I've had no issues whatsoever. All my WINMO and Android installs work straight away with the new card but the Android especially would, 90% of the time, fail to load up on the larger card!
I currently have a temporary black and white sod, but it boots through.
I've got this Black-SOD only in Mdeejay Froyo NextSense 2.5. (No Wake up from Stand-By).
In Versions 2.1 to 2.4.2 are no BlackSod's for me.
I'm using a Kingston 16gbc10.
hey i too had the problem with SOD. i got it all fixed by changing the radio version to 12.50 it works fine i wouldnt blame the poor SD card btw what can u do wit a 2gb sd card... useless
i just replaced my stock TMOUS sd card and put in a 4gb card and loaded the Core Droid 0.5 and it seems to be working fine ( fingers crossed ), no SODs. And i'm also looking at low power consumption as well. Thank God.
pillai.raul said:
hey i too had the problem with SOD. i got it all fixed by changing the radio version to 12.50 it works fine i wouldnt blame the poor SD card btw what can u do wit a 2gb sd card... useless
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The 2GB I'm using was mainly for testing purposes.. but I'm still using it until I can buy a larger one. Better to have little space with a working build, eh?
Well I'm not sure one way or another about the black screen SOD, but I am sure that the "skipping" is not related to the sdcard. Some cards, faster ones, seem to do it a lot less (I currently have 7 sd cards, different sizes, speeds, and makes, and have had some downtime at work so I did a bit of testing), but they do it on the evo kernels. Disabling stagefright does work, but it causes other issues with video, so i wouldn't suggest it.
Turn off auto-brightness it will disappear
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I just performed a little experiment.
Bangsters 1.5, fresh install on my 16gb class 4... SOD present, hard.
Copied the contents of the card to my 2gb card... no SOD. can rapidly sleep\wake phone with no issues at all.
*sigh*
I have narrowed down Wake-up death screens to two Apps actually since I had no other MicroSD cards to test out...
AutoKiller - any preset you choose you will get SOD (wake-up SOD) - I don't use it anymore and no SODs (this may be actually MicroSD card as all those apps are on it lol);
Ummmm forgot the other one - URGH ... wait ... can't remember now ... once I do I will update my post...
I fixed my SOD problem by updating kernels. The one working for me now is the netripper nexus oct 8 one. I'm on TMO stock and Shubcraft 1.5
fflakes said:
I fixed my SOD problem by updating kernels. The one working for me now is the netripper nexus oct 8 one. I'm on TMO stock and Shubcraft 1.5
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can you describe where to get, and\or how to upgrade to this?
Here is my solve
I have been experimenting with these Android builds sine day one. I saw many SOD's for the first few months though haven't seen one yet since I replaced my SD. Went from stock TMOUS 16GB Class ? to a Adata 4GB Class 4. I try a new build almost 3 times a week and since seen no SOD's. Now, my SOD's previously would appear normally under heavy loads or wake/sleep. I have had different WM ROM's and Radio's during this process so I dont think its due to the WM build present in the phone.
Im now running the latest eleg WM build and the HyperDroid latest Android build. Great simple non-sense Shub/CM based ROM with no issues. Definitely a daily user. Oh, and i keep my auto brightness on.
I will say i did see one SOD during trying a new EVO based ROM. But, i tried the "hold phone up to light bulb" and the display came right back. I dont know this is the ABSOLUTE remedy to this issue, but worth a try. I changed to a different ROM immediately though because that one had some data issues...But other than that I can say im completely satisfied with using android as a daily and not returning back to WinMo anytime soon.
...Thanks Dev's
I have an HD2 with SPL 2.08 and radio 2.15 , WinMo rom - Dexter .sencity 21.11 .
I have tried with other combinations too. My SD card is the original class 2 2gb micro SD. When I install Desire rom it works fast and everything is fine. When I put a Desire HD rom however it is slow - i takes 1-2 secs for it to open keyboard or the menus and so on. I dont know what the problem is or how can I see exactly how slow it is. Any help would be much appreciated! It is odd that people report that the Desire HD roms are really fast when they are slow on my HD2. Probably I messed up something but I dont know what so please HELP! I have tried different roms from m-deejay and Sergio76 and so on. The Froyo stock roms also work fast and flawless. I know there is another thread but it is in another section and there are no responses because this sections has 100x more activity. THank you!
Man honestly to rule out any possibilities of the ROM being the factor you have to use a class 6 or above sd card, otherwise you have no way of really troubleshooting what your problem is. Also, Devs mention in the releases all the time the Radio and WinMo ROM they use so to insure the same performance they can only give you what they are running as well.
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Man honestly to rule out any possibilities of the ROM being the factor you have to use a class 6 or above sd card, otherwise you have no way of really troubleshooting what your problem is. Also, Devs mention in the releases all the time the Radio and WinMo ROM they use so to insure the same performance they can only give you what they are running as well.
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The class of the SD card has nothing to do with it. The majority or people that have tried a class 4 and above say it is a lot worse than the stock SD card. I have tried and it was a lot worse for me also.
The Windows ROM and radio can have a LOT to do with it though.
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I have an HD2 with SPL 2.08 and radio 2.15 , WinMo rom - Dexter .sencity 21.11 .
I have tried with other combinations too. My SD card is the original class 2 2gb micro SD. When I install Desire rom it works fast and everything is fine. When I put a Desire HD rom however it is slow - i takes 1-2 secs for it to open keyboard or the menus and so on. I dont know what the problem is or how can I see exactly how slow it is. Any help would be much appreciated! It is odd that people report that the Desire HD roms are really fast when they are slow on my HD2. Probably I messed up something but I dont know what so please HELP! I have tried different roms from m-deejay and Sergio76 and so on. The Froyo stock roms also work fast and flawless. I know there is another thread but it is in another section and there are no responses because this sections has 100x more activity. THank you!
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By the way, how long exactly did you give it? These HD Roms can literally take hours to settle in and they won't be real speedy until they are completely done syncing everything. I have noticed that sometimes you won't see the sync icon but things will still be syncing in the background, inlcuding the Android market because these new Roms backup all your apps and data with the market and HTC sense. I am using Sergio76's and it is flying so I would try again but give it a lot of time to settle. Hope it works out for you, good luck!
As Motoman said, it will take time for everything to sync, but many reboots is very important. I have been using Mdeejay's Desire HD 4.1 for three days now, and don't have any problems. I must have rebooted 8-10 times the original day and that helped extremely well with speed.
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The class of the SD card has nothing to do with it. The majority or people that have tried a class 4 and above say it is a lot worse than the stock SD card. I have tried and it was a lot worse for me also.
The Windows ROM and radio can have a LOT to do with it though.
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At worst a class 6 card (for example) might not provide much in the way of an improvement over a stock class 2 but there is no way it would be 'a lot worse'.
Personally, I noticed a speed increase on identical builds when I swapped from my class 2 to a class 6 but nothing too drastic.
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By the way, how long exactly did you give it? These HD Roms can literally take hours to settle in and they won't be real speedy until they are completely done syncing everything. I have noticed that sometimes you won't see the sync icon but things will still be syncing in the background, inlcuding the Android market because these new Roms backup all your apps and data with the market and HTC sense. I am using Sergio76's and it is flying so I would try again but give it a lot of time to settle. Hope it works out for you, good luck!
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I agree with motoman that sdcards have nothing to do with the speed they might make a very little difference which can be negligible, I am suffering from a lot of lag in desire HD builds............
@motoman234, so can you tell us how exactly we should install these desire hd roms ?,
i was having the same issue with the hd roms. i thought they were terrible. i now have MDJ FroYo HD v.4.3=-[kernel:MDJ S7.5HD] running very well. i had to change my rom to achieve this. the wmrom is useless IMO but it lets me run android hd now. i am using this rom
ChuckyDroidROM-HTCFrameworkEdition.Nov.05.7z
and this radio
Radio_Leo_2.15.50.14
i also install bsb tweaks in winmo and set to power save mode. turn off everything in winmo and auto boot to android with hard keys lit up.
it works for me
Same issue as OP here. All non-HD ROMs run really fast. But other Desire HD ROMs are plain terrible speed-wise. I have a good Class 6 card.
It's a kernel issue. There is nothing you can do.
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At worst a class 6 card (for example) might not provide much in the way of an improvement over a stock class 2 but there is no way it would be 'a lot worse'.
Personally, I noticed a speed increase on identical builds when I swapped from my class 2 to a class 6 but nothing too drastic.
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To each is own I suppose. I can only speak for myself when I say that a class 6 card made me have SOD every time when waking the phone from sleep, not to mention overall less performance. Not sure what it is about them but it was bad in my case but I doubt every single person will experience this.
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I agree with motoman that sdcards have nothing to do with the speed they might make a very little difference which can be negligible, I am suffering from a lot of lag in desire HD builds............
@motoman234, so can you tell us how exactly we should install these desire hd roms ?,
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It is a bit time consuming to get them rolling smooth for the first time but these are the steps I usually use when installing them for those of you that can not get them running like they should.
1) Boot up the build (fresh start)
2) Wait a couple minutes before unlocking the screen for the first time.
3) Setup everything in the SetupWizard.
4) From the moment you hit the "Finish" button on the SetupWizard, set your phone down for about 30-45 minutes before touching anything (OFF the charger if possible since it can get really hot when it is syncing everything for the first time. Charging can just add to that heat)
5) After you notice things to get a little faster, reboot the phone and then boot back into Android.
6) Wait another 5 minutes before unlocking the phone.
7) You should be good to go, if things still seem a little laggy try to reboot one more time.
I know this seems overboard but these HD builds have a lot to them. After you get the process over with you should be happy you did it. Once again **This is just what works for me** I am using Core Droid V0.2 by the way.
@Motoman234,
Not overboard...it's good advice. Thank you for the steps! P.S. Good to see a chef from my neck of the woods! Thank you sir!!
motoman234 said:
The class of the SD card has nothing to do with it. The majority or people that have tried a class 4 and above say it is a lot worse than the stock SD card. I have tried and it was a lot worse for me also.
The Windows ROM and radio can have a LOT to do with it though.
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At worst a class 6 card (for example) might not provide much in the way of an improvement over a stock class 2 but there is no way it would be 'a lot worse'.
Personally, I noticed a speed increase on identical builds when I swapped from my class 2 to a class 6 but nothing too drastic.
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The Speed of the SD card has nothing to do with the roms performance.
The only difference that we will feel between a 'Class 2' and a 'Class 6' is when copying files to or from the SD card.
I noticed that on my 16GB Class 2, I have a transfer rate up to 4 MB/s when copying the Android folder and this card is supposed to have a maximum of 2mb writing while on my 8GB Class 6 I can copy up to 10 Mb/s the same Android folder (twice as fast).
But when Android runs I don't feel any difference at all.
The reason why the Desire HD roms are slow on the HD2 is because these roms were optimized to work under 768 MB RAM while our HD2 has only 576 MB RAM.
We barely have 100MB of free RAM with a Desire HD rom but with a stock rom we can have 300MB and more free.
ForceField said:
The Speed of the SD card has nothing to do with the roms performance.
The only difference that we will feel between a 'Class 2' and a 'Class 6' is when copying files to or from the SD card.
I noticed that on my 16GB Class 2, I have a transfer rate up to 4 MB/s when copying the Android folder and this card is supposed to have a maximum of 2mb writing while on my 8GB Class 6 I can copy up to 10 Mb/s the same Android folder (twice as fast).
But when Android runs I don't feel any difference at all.
The reason why the Desire HD roms are slow on the HD2 is because these roms were optimized to work under 768 MB RAM while our HD2 has only 576 MB RAM.
We barely have 100MB of free RAM with a Desire HD rom but with a stock rom we can have 300MB and more free.
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I think what makes it worse is that we dont get 576mb ram in android, as this has not been built into kernels, we are only getting about 350mb of ram. If I check my available ram it is around the 300mb mark and has never been above 350mb.
u must just reboot you device after 1-st boot
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I think what makes it worse is that we dont get 576mb ram in android, as this has not been built into kernels, we are only getting about 350mb of ram. If I check my available ram it is around the 300mb mark and has never been above 350mb.
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Yes,the secret of having a good performance on any device is to have 1/3 of the amount of RAM always free.
For ex if you have 3GB of ram,you can use till 2GB and you will be very good.
But if you use 2.1 GB of the 3GB then don't think twice and upgrade immediately.
We are using this equation on our servers and t works pretty well,at least for our company.
I've only tested desire_hd beta and Core Droid HD v0.2 so far. Nonetheless, both have been quick and solid here. Like mentioned by motoman234, give these builds time to sync your market apps and settle down, then reboot a couple times, and you should be good to go. If the build has heavy lag, it's most likely still trying to download your market apps and install them as well as sync your personal data. Patience is key here.
Also, this goes for every build, but make sure that your keypad lights are on when booting into android. Doing this has normally solved any high standby battery drain that I've run into to date.
As far as MircoSDHC cards go, I have tested a handful of different class and size cards with the HD2, and found that once the system is booted up, there's no difference, or the higher class cards have more SOD or freeze issues for some reason. The HD2 can only handle so much, and random read speed appears to be the most important factor. In turn, a good quality class 2 card should be all you need. That said, I've been running a Sandisk 32GB class 2 card for months now, without a single problem to date. Regardless of what card you use, I highly recommend using SD Formatter in quick format mode.
Another thought... it may help a little to use a standard wallpaper at first, instead of the live wallpaper, just until the system has settled down.
All that said, I'm a huge fan of Core Droid HD, due to the animations and polished theme work done by Sergio76. It's an excellent build, and you can easily get the camcorder working with the system files fix included in the thread.
On a kind of related note, motoman234 has an excellent EVO Sense Black & Blue Remix build available, if the Desire HD Sense builds are too heavy for your needs.
Best to all,
R
Well said, thanks man.
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Well said, thanks man.
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Cheers motoman234! And... thank you so much for your excellent build work and help. To say the least, your EVO remix has been extra solid here.
Best to all,
R
Since the first NAND build almost everyone here in the forum can't stop talking about it.
Am I the only one thinking, why do one need it?
- it makes no progress to functionality. We had everything already with SD builds.
- Switching between build is now longer and riskier.
- One needs to commit himself to a build because it won't be possible to jump from a sense to a stock, or from froyo to gingerbread with a single boot.
For example MDJ's gingerbread without GPS can be quickly switched to a full working froyo.
- With SD build one can take full potential of the storage on the phone. With NAND system size is limited and one can't install unlimited amount of apps.
- So boot time is longer with SD builds. Come-on got to be some other reason to move to NAND.
I open this discussion for people to enlight me what am I missing when I ask for SD builds.
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Maybe u should take a look at the NAND pro and contra thread.
I fully agree with you. I don't really understand the interest for NAND. It boots faster for sure and drains a little less but compared to the advantages you mentioned of sd card or even ram NAND is not for many people.
Aside from the battery life and faster boot I think most of the desire for Android NAND is due to the dislike/hatred of windows mobile on this phone.
HTC produced a stunningly specced phone and then slapped windows mobile on it with no option to upgrade to win phone 7 or sidegrade to Android, and a lot of people see that as a bit of a slap in the face. I certainly do. Stating that there will never be an android build from HTC for it and then producing the EVO was a bit disrespectful of customers.
Also there is the (for me) a slight feeling of im-permanence of the SD builds. Yes, they are great and its fun and useful to be able to switch between them at will but the nand versions just feel a bit more solid, if you will.
A lot of it is down to human nature rather than actual technological benefit, sort of a "Hah, you said we couldnt do it but we did, so forget you". (With apologies to Cee Lo Green).
abrise said:
I fully agree with you. I don't really understand the interest for NAND. It boots faster for sure and drains a little less but compared to the advantages you mentioned of sd card or even ram NAND is not for many people.
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DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!
mally2 said:
DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!
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+1
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I dont get it why ppl make a topic only to whine about NAND. The devs put so much hard work in it and then they see topics like this.... plzzzzz
If u dont like it ... dont use it ok ... or buy a native android phone
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I dont get it why ppl make a topic only to whine about NAND. The devs put so much hard work in it and then they see topics like this.... plzzzzz
If u dont like it ... dont use it ok ... or buy a native android phone
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They didnt get enough hugs as a child??
As stated before it has many improvements over the SD version:
-battery life
-stability
-loading times
-there is no risk in bricking your phone(unless someone is very very stupid, and i am not saying that someone is)
-with the sd version a download from the market sometimes took 2 minutes, now it takes max 2-3 seconds.
-flashing back to winmo if you like is maximum 5 minutes
-flashing a new android takes max 5 minutes(MAX).
- no lag at all
I am sure there are more but this is what i could think of right now.
Try and you will see.
Seriously.. Why wouldn't you like having more options to choose from?
If you are afraid that devs will stop developing for SD builds, then you shouldn't be.. There are enough people out there staying with SD builds.
I just don't like the sluggishness the WM-boot gives me.. It adds another layer of uselessness to me, as I don't use WM anymore at all..
I love my HD2 running NAND with the HTC Desire HD build of gauner. For one, I don't have to be messing around with SD mounting and unmouting anymore. I hate the fact that the main OS actually tuns off the card that you should use as swappable storage, which it was introduced for.
Everyone is entitled to their respective opinions, and there is no harm in having more to choose from.
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Seriously.. Why wouldn't you like having more options to choose from?
If you are afraid that devs will stop developing for SD builds, then you shouldn't be.. There are enough people out there staying with SD builds.
I just don't like the sluggishness the WM-boot gives me.. It adds another layer of uselessness to me, as I don't use WM anymore at all..
I love my HD2 running NAND with the HTC Desire HD build of gauner. For one, I don't have to be messing around with SD mounting and unmouting anymore. I hate the fact that the main OS actually tuns off the card that you should use as swappable storage, which it was introduced for.
Everyone is entitled to their respective opinions, and there is no harm in having more to choose from.
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+1 on that. I'll be sticking with SD builds for the foreseeable future. At least until Android is perfected. The Gingerbread build doesn't even have working GPS or camcorder and is NAND. That, to me, is ridiculous.
I know its been said enough already but the clincher for me was the improved battery life. I just got a full two days with phone usage (light) SMS usage (heavy) and WiFi usage (heavy). That really was a breath of fresh air in the world of 12 hrs SD builds.
Also, i think people were right to point out a lot of draw towards the NAND build has been a reaction to WM6.5. The OS was seriously lacking and was a poor choice to put on such a capable device. It lacked the real functionality of a smartphone which seriously hampered the HD2. With android the phone seems to get a new lease on life and i am quite happy in keeping it for another 1 year.
Although it is early days for NAND builds but i am sure with the passage of time their obviously advantages will be apparent to all. Although SD build do give you fast switching but seriously it becomes a pain to keep switching and then backing up and restoring all your data and applications. I have been there and done that. Atleast with a NAND build switching is prevented and stability is creeping in.
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As stated before it has many improvements over the SD version:
-battery life
-stability
-loading times
-there is no risk in bricking your phone(unless someone is very very stupid, and i am not saying that someone is)
-with the sd version a download from the market sometimes took 2 minutes, now it takes max 2-3 seconds.
-flashing back to winmo if you like is maximum 5 minutes
-flashing a new android takes max 5 minutes(MAX).
- no lag at all
I am sure there are more but this is what i could think of right now.
Try and you will see.
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You missed out No Windows Mobile I really dont get this Thread,The guys have been workin on nand for months so that we can eliminate the problems we had booting off SD ,Nand has made things a lot easier now that we no longer have to rely on Windows,Ive been testing it for a day now and its fantastic,a hell of more stable and you can use every day
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You missed out No Windows Mobile I really dont get this Thread,The guys have been workin on nand for months so that we can eliminate the problems we had booting off SD ,Nand has made things a lot easier now that we no longer have to rely on Windows,Ive been testing it for a day now and its fantastic,a hell of more stable and you can use every day
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It depends on which SD build you were using. The ones in my sig are top-notch, fully-functioning and daily-use stable. The battery life is excellent.
Can someone confirm this. It seem rmnet is not stable at edge connection. The data arrow always gone and then it reconnect again. Happen with me couple times when I was browsing internetan
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It depends on which SD build you were using. The ones in my sig are top-notch, fully-functioning and daily-use stable. The battery life is excellent.
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very true but then you have TMOUS HD2 wich performs a little better than our Euro ones.lol.The other thing is wich is a good advantage is ican use more space on my SD and safely unmount it without any problems
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DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!
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Right, but Almost all my SD did not boot correctly with MagLdr
My experience with nand is FASTER A LOT, drain less battery, no lag at all (except on my old hd2 (probably broken, no proxymity detector, no more vibration, volume key works bad etc.) that lags more than with the sd card (I had to revert to win)).
Mag is a LOT Faster to download/install apps. (50kb/s now its 400k/s and installation is faster), smoother.
Because now, I can change my SD card whenever I want (Full of taken videos/photos with the phone, full of mp3 etc).
Why nand, because Lock Phones utilities are useless with Windows.
Why nand ? .... Because !
There's a few factors to consider and these can be deal breakers for some people.
1. The version of the HD2 running a Nand version. T-Mobile US phones get more space to play with whereas the Euro version doesn't. I've got a US version but I really only use 20 or so apps.
2. Data - Since downloading Topia HD last night, I had one data drop running from Nand and that was opening market. When it was SD it was constant!
3. Battery - some people are reporting excellent battery life on Nand. But they reported that on SD versions as well. Everyone has their fixes for it too, but it doesn't work for everyone. Right now I seem to be doing ok so we'll see.
4. Risk - its less riskier than flashing HSPL or a new ROM in WinMo which brings me to my final point and deal breaker for me.
5. It's no longer running WinMo!!! For me that was what I was waiting for. No more gimpy OS ruining my phone. I know a lot of people love WinMo but I'm not one of them. I almost gave this phone back when I got it in March of 2010. It was frustrating and by my 1st week of owning it I had done 3 or more fresh resets. After that I did a reset almost every month until Android became stable to run everyday. I say good riddance to WinMo finally lol
In the end, its about preference. My preference is a phone with little or no hassle and huge functionality which I now get with Android and especially now with it running from Nand. If it was still running from SD or RAM I'd still be ok as long as it wasn't WinMo.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
One big issue with NAND, that is being overlooked, is no support right now for WinXP. The magldr seems to be flashable only in Win7. There are a number of people who still don't have Win7, myself included, and are still on WinXP.
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One big issue with NAND, that is being overlooked, is no support right now for WinXP. The magldr seems to be flashable only in Win7. There are a number of people who still don't have Win7, myself included, and are still on WinXP.
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Are you still on XP by choice or becouse of old hardware / no budget for new OS? if your still on XP becouse you dont wanna go Win7 i only have to say Get along with the times. I would say a update for windows XP and Vista would come sooner then later.
I have leo1024 and currently running running on a SD build. I was thinking about switching to NAND, but had few questions prior to switching.
Is the NAND build worth switching to? Is it faster? Does it consume less battery? What are the disadvantages to switching to the NAND build?
Also what is the best clean froyo NAND build?
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It could be a good move to compare two same builds (Nand and SD)
like :
Desire hd rom
NAND v :******************************************* SD v :
power consumption:..xxx*******************************power consumption:..xxx.
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*** mean "space"
and stick this if ready.
It could stop many questions about what is better.
Thanks.
I can only tell you my experience. One of my biggest frustrations was that if I locked my phone by pressing the red end button, and tried to turn the screen back on right away, I had to wait 20-30 seconds. That no longer happens. For battery, the lowest I ever saw was a 4ma standby, but usually closer to 6-8ma. I routinely see 2ma in standby, but probably averages 4ma...this is probably 25-50% better battery. It just seems more smooth also. Plus, with RMNET being as fast as PPP, there are no longer any data drops.
Again, this is my experience. Try it...if you don't like it, you can always go back to WM and SD card builds.
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I have been on nand and all kind of recovery and app2sd and ++ methods. trust me SD based built is best one. you have more choice(window and android) and that is the speciality of HD'2'(2- means 2 operating system)
battery wise nobody can't boast about nand because any latest phones bettery(including desire HD itselt) is very bad . Also android drinks battery if you are not maintained your running applications properly.
furthermore no complication and less harmful to device.so better to stick with SD. Trust me.. in couple of weeks time all guys will turn back to HD '2' do you know what i mean...??
No way I will ever go back to windows + sd...
Nand is better in more then one way, smooth all around (as mentioned never unlock delay), better battery usage, faster downloads and installs (and no freezes when doing a market install)
If you are wondering why you still have windows on your mobile because you only see your android booting up, go got nand
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
rasih5503 said:
I have been on nand and all kind of recovery and app2sd and ++ methods. (...)
so better to stick with SD. Trust me.. in couple of weeks time all guys will turn back to HD '2' do you know what i mean...??
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Well, thats one opinion, ok.
Personally, I didn't try all kinds of recovery, didn't try app2sd, didn't try any ++ method stuff extra extra extra!!1!. Just didn't.
I just tried a few ROMs on NAND, and generally the user experience is so good I don't want to bother using SD or RAM builds.
The biggest plus of NAND is that it makes use of the device's hardware in the way it was supposed to be, without having the deal with Windows Mobile juckyness.
The battery life is dramatically different, because constant reading and writing from SD uses battery charge that isn't even monitored by currentwidgets. If you say 'any new phone has crap battery life' you probably only tested a rom with the 60mA after call bug. These eat battery charge just as fast as RAM builds do.
imagine what happens if you compare such a system to one that averages 4 mA
My father also has an HD2 and he is running a rom that still has the notification led bug thing going on. Still he gets 3 days battery life out of it!!!
NAND For The Win
NAND is the way to go.
I experienced lots of standby battery fluctuations on SD. After trying almost every SD build that made "battery saving" claims I honestly still couldn't reliably use any of them for day to day use. So I just stuck with Window Mobile.
After flashing to NAND I usually see 1-4mA standby. Even in poor signal spots!
Well seeing that you have that damned 1024 leo, you have the ideal device for android on NAND. Advantages for you:
You have a lot of free storage, prolly 500+ since you got TMOUS
Power consumption is low
Performance in sense builds, for me, has been better, especially with Desire HD builds.
Fast boot time
Disadvantages:
Not as much free storage as to what you can get from SD builds
MAGDLR and installing a NAND build, might pose some problems for you, if you don't read the forum...
If you like winmo then installing android onto NAND may be considered a disadvantage for you.
So I went ahead and tried out the NAND method and I kinda like it but I am confused about few things.
I have read throughout the NAND forum and people keep talking about AP2SD+ thingy. I am still kinda unsure about what it is, but I am guessing its to automatically install all apps onto the SD card instead of the device itself. Am I correct about this?
Also, is there a good clean froyo build? When I was using the SD card method, I used MDJ's Froyo HD 4.6, which didn't have a custom skin. I currently see that the only good NAND build by MDJ is the Froyo Revolution v.2.3. Is there a way to remove the custom theme and revert back to the default?
Also, I see here on the MAGLDR boot menu that there is an option of "Boot AD SD". I went to Services > BootSettings >> AD SD Dir and changed the folder to "Android" which is the location of build on my SD card. I manged to get it to boot, but it just get suck on the boot screen and doesn't load up into the system.
hey why not any one with two hd2 mobiles(one with NAND and the other with SD) make a video comparision so that people could really see the speed and effiency of both roms?.i think this solves the problem!..
i like nand better then sd
Apps2sd that is used in the nand roms stores the bulk of an application on an ext partition on your SD card. This in effect gives you a ton of space for apps.
Nand builds for me work great. Battery life is better than even winmo was, and there aren't any glaring issues remaining. Its becoming very fine tuned in the nand forum. I can't speak for SD builds because I abandoned them a long time ago. You can always flash winmo back if you dont like it.
Sent from my HD2 using XDA App
as far as windows mobile is concerned its good with battery backup but if i choose between nand and sd i would have gone for nand as its really smooth and without any cons in some built and its going great with provide me better application and a lot to choose without any lags.so a liitle compromise in battery is ok for me though new nand built dont have the battery problem either.Except in few people complainig about battery issue that must be because of wrong installation or their luck
I kind of SD ....
I changed to SD from winmo recently.its smooth and no response problem yet.SD has the advantage that ,I can just go back to winmo on a reboot in case some thing goes wrong with green.I recommend SD at least for beginners.Once you are Ok with it > move to Nand if you want so ....
beat me to the question
ive been trying to decide whether i try out cwm but nand seems to do the trick for me
ive been using nand ever since it came out and i really like but the only reason why i was considering CWM is this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961679
they dont have a nand version currently im using wp7 about to flash mdj's rom and its really stable i havent had a problem with it ..why would you want to have more than one android os on one device (other than developing) i mean we were all waiting eagerly for nanad and now thats its here we still use the old way lol (not the old way but ..you know what i mean lol)
kidtk said:
ive been trying to decide whether i try out cwm but nand seems to do the trick for me
ive been using nand ever since it came out and i really like but the only reason why i was considering CWM is this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961679
they dont have a nand version currently im using wp7 about to flash mdj's rom and its really stable i havent had a problem with it ..why would you want to have more than one android os on one device (other than developing) i mean we were all waiting eagerly for nanad and now thats its here we still use the old way lol (not the old way but ..you know what i mean lol)
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Use CWM, the advantage with CWM is that you can backup your NAND build, try other builds, even revert back to winmo if you want, then come back and restore you backed up android and its all back to how you had it, awesome
I have a LEO512 so I stick to Cyanogenmod and MIUI roms, I would like a really nice updated desire rom, but everyone seems to have moved on to desire HD and left the desire rom by cotulla behind, which is a shame because I have issues with some APN's with that build. I've never ran out of space and I don't use app2sd, but maybe I just don't use as many apps as some people.
I used to get sleep of death issues with all SD builds, now I dont get it with NAND, thats probably the best reason to move to NAND, instant wake up.
NAND offer way more functionality, a few appd I've played with wont install on SD android, angry birds is a perfect example, running NAND thus far has no limitations, MIUI has some very stable roms with alot of additional functionality that stock android doesnt
I tried both tytung's Gingerbread SD and NAND.
SD: ~3-5mA, fast, occassional data drop due to CLK-PPP issue
NAND/Magldr: ~1-3mA, fast and stable, no data drop. Everything works great.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905060
richiegopal said:
hey why not any one with two hd2 mobiles(one with NAND and the other with SD) make a video comparision so that people could really see the speed and effiency of both roms?.i think this solves the problem!..
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very nice
thanks thanks
trex3300 said:
I tried both tytung's Gingerbread SD and NAND.
SD: ~3-5mA, fast, occassional data drop due to CLK-PPP issue
NAND/Magldr: ~1-3mA, fast and stable, no data drop. Everything works great.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905060
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You've made a mistake somewhere as it isn't possible to have an SD build via cLK. And 1-3 mA?! Wow I get a consistent 4 mA with Typhoon
Sent from my Cyanogen HD2
I just got an HTC HD2 off of eBay. It came with a SanDisk 16 GB Class 4-ish MicroSD that I took out (since I figured it's too slow). I put in my trustly ol' 8 GB Class 10 with "MccMBoxmaX GS V7.0 SD" Android 2.3.3 on it.
Booted it up, everything except 720p Video Recording seems to be working, but I noticed some graphical glitching when there's some animation in the UI going on (I see no such glitching when flicking through the apps, web browser, and etc). Angry Birds (yes, I tested it), and GameBoid run very smoothly and no glitching whatsoever. Pictures taken with this build are acceptable quality.
Also, some things are little sluggish (like bringing down the notification bar) in this build.
Oh and, any resolution video recording with this ROM seems to be a no-go: it stutters like crazy. I'm thinking it's because it's trying to record on the SD while running the OS and the App off of the SD.
What do you guys recommend I do? Get another SD build, or get a NAND build? What ROM do you guys recommend?
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I just got an HTC HD2 off of eBay. It came with a SanDisk 16 GB Class 4-ish MicroSD that I took out (since I figured it's too slow). I put in my trustly ol' 8 GB Class 10 with "MccMBoxmaX GS V7.0 SD" Android 2.3.3 on it.
Booted it up, everything except 720p Video Recording seems to be working, but I noticed some graphical glitching when there's some animation in the UI going on (I see no such glitching when flicking through the apps, web browser, and etc). Angry Birds (yes, I tested it), and GameBoid run very smoothly and no glitching whatsoever. Pictures taken with this build are acceptable quality.
Also, some things are little sluggish (like bringing down the notification bar) in this build.
Oh and, any resolution video recording with this ROM seems to be a no-go: it stutters like crazy. I'm thinking it's because it's trying to record on the SD while running the OS and the App off of the SD.
What do you guys recommend I do? Get another SD build, or get a NAND build? What ROM do you guys recommend?
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it all depends on what your looking for ..if its a nand rom
if your looking for the new sense 3.0 ports
there are 2 that are really good AngelDeaths
[30.June.2011] AngelDeath Kingdom Sense 3.0 Release v1.4 [K:TyTung r10] and jhr5474s
[30 June 2011] ANIMATED SENSE 3.0 KINGDOM BASE/ WIFI WORKING[TytungR10]
then there are sense 2.1 builds with sense 3.0 parts in it
krendelrus [25.June.2011][MAGLDR/cLK] LeoRCMix S v.1.9 [Sense 2.1 + Sense 3.0][RAF 1.9OC] is a nice build
now if you want just a GingerBread build there are 2 that are really good
Tyweens [25.JUN.11][MAG/cLK]TyphooN CyanogenMod 7 Nightly v3.4.0[2.3.4][A2SD][tytung r10]
and Pongsters [31.May.11][ZIP]★★★★★HyperDroid-CM7-v2.1.0[a2sd+][CyanogenMod7 LEO 2.3.4][Tytung_R10]
all those above are nand roms
and im currently useing the one in my sig and love it
never even messed with android sd roms so i cant recommend any of those
PresidentMcCain said:
I just got an HTC HD2 off of eBay. It came with a SanDisk 16 GB Class 4-ish MicroSD that I took out (since I figured it's too slow). I put in my trustly ol' 8 GB Class 10 with "MccMBoxmaX GS V7.0 SD" Android 2.3.3 on it.
Booted it up, everything except 720p Video Recording seems to be working, but I noticed some graphical glitching when there's some animation in the UI going on (I see no such glitching when flicking through the apps, web browser, and etc). Angry Birds (yes, I tested it), and GameBoid run very smoothly and no glitching whatsoever. Pictures taken with this build are acceptable quality.
Also, some things are little sluggish (like bringing down the notification bar) in this build.
Oh and, any resolution video recording with this ROM seems to be a no-go: it stutters like crazy. I'm thinking it's because it's trying to record on the SD while running the OS and the App off of the SD.
What do you guys recommend I do? Get another SD build, or get a NAND build? What ROM do you guys recommend?
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because its gingerbrad and sense 3, video isnt working perfectly and the glicthes are common on the roms
it is nothing to do with your sd card
I see.
I like the convenience of syncing with Gmail Contacts. I unlocked the phone btw since I'm an AT&T user.
I came from an LG Incite with custom ROM. Boy what a difference Capacitive touch makes.
I've installed Typhoon Cyanogenmod 7. It feels a lot faster than the SD build I was using before, and did not have any of the graphical glitches while having a newer build of Gingerbread (2.3.4).
It did not have the option to not pull data from my Wireless Account during setup so it did use up $0.15 on my account. Had to disable Data in settings afterwards.
Found a bug in CyanogenMod 7 (latest build): disappearing dock after doing certain action:
how to reproduce bug: take finger, swipe across the screen from bottom to top, starting from the dock
Re-produced on a friend's Droid 2 with APEX too.
#EDIT:
Nevermind, not a bug. Seems to be a feature in ADW.
PresidentMcCain said:
I've installed Typhoon Cyanogenmod 7. It feels a lot faster than the SD build I was using before, and did not have any of the graphical glitches while having a newer build of Gingerbread (2.3.4).
It did not have the option to not pull data from my Wireless Account during setup so it did use up $0.15 on my account. Had to disable Data in settings afterwards.
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you do know that you can get the 10 dollar unlimited data for att since
they cant tell that you have a smartphone
PresidentMcCain said:
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Nevermind, not a bug. Seems to be a feature in ADW.
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haha...... great rom you have tested for your first android build, that and the one in my signature are the only 2 i will flash between atm, there are alot of good roms out there i just prefer them 2..
Use the rom in my sig. However, update will be in a few weeks...
Its nand build froyo with 2.1sense. Older than than sense3 but no glitches. Uses data2Ext so you have about 700+mb system space. I feel that its the best functional rom.
99% stock. A better looking %battery indicator.
Including some cool comfortaa fonts.
Screenshot:
Wallpaper is my own edited sense 3 version. Not included in rom
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Use the rom in my sig. However, update will be in a few weeks...
Its nand build froyo with 2.1sense. Older than than sense3 but no glitches. Uses data2Ext so you have about 700+mb system space. I feel that its the best functional rom.
99% stock. A better looking %battery indicator.
Including some cool comfortaa fonts.
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That rom is not Sense 2.1. Sense 2.1 is the first build that came with the quick power settings on notification and the new paginated app drawer and is only found on Gingerbread, not Froyo.
Still mixed up a bit, as a first time HD2 user (coming a long way from as ex-samsung galaxy S user) which ROM should I use ?
looking for stable ROM, prefer GB is possible.
ido said:
Still mixed up a bit, as a first time HD2 user (coming a long way from as ex-samsung galaxy S user) which ROM should I use ?
looking for stable ROM, prefer GB is possible.
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This question has been asked a million times, Go and read the answers.
PresidentMcCain said:
I just got an HTC HD2 off of eBay. It came with a SanDisk 16 GB Class 4-ish MicroSD that I took out (since I figured it's too slow). I put in my trustly ol' 8 GB Class 10 with "MccMBoxmaX GS V7.0 SD" Android 2.3.3 on it.
Booted it up, everything except 720p Video Recording seems to be working, but I noticed some graphical glitching when there's some animation in the UI going on (I see no such glitching when flicking through the apps, web browser, and etc). Angry Birds (yes, I tested it), and GameBoid run very smoothly and no glitching whatsoever. Pictures taken with this build are acceptable quality.
Also, some things are little sluggish (like bringing down the notification bar) in this build.
Oh and, any resolution video recording with this ROM seems to be a no-go: it stutters like crazy. I'm thinking it's because it's trying to record on the SD while running the OS and the App off of the SD.
What do you guys recommend I do? Get another SD build, or get a NAND build? What ROM do you guys recommend?
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Do a cmylxgo Stock DesireHD ROM v1.1.18. It's pretty much a perfect DHD ROM for the HD2.