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Interesting SOD find

NOTE; This thread is not about SOD on Android. It presents the fact that it maybe something else that also effects WinMo .
I have started to note the last few times I have booted into win mob 6.5 that I am also getting the sleep of death in Win Mo.
Press the power button and the button light display and thats it.
Waiting waiting.
pull battery and restart
I have also just now started getting SOD in Android. Never had it for the last month and they both seem related.
Interesting

Wrong section
but
It could be your device messing up on you.
If its under warranty contact HTC and see if you could get it fixed or replaced.

Never recieved SOD on my phone, only once. That was in mDeejays Evo Sense build. Surprised me becuase its the most stable android build I used, but I believe its more of a wifi/ and or g-sensor bug.

I expect right section. Its an FYI for Dev's.
The issue might be related to something other than the kernel. Eg Haret might be setting a state which even windows does not like.
Its a little bit of information. Otherwise the phone is stable. No issues and have been using Android fulltime since early days.

Please provide the version of WM ROm your are running and HSPL/Radio combo as well

I am using
Miri's 6.5 Winmo Rom
Matt's 1.8 Android
Radio 2.12.50

dusty_nz said:
I am using
Miri's 6.5 Winmo Rom
Matt's 1.8 Android
Radio 2.12.50
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I'm having the same issue. I'm running
Miri and steves elegancia rom v3
mattc's evo 1.01
michyprima's evo kernal rO
radio 2.10.50.26
I've already went through every "fix" i know of. I've formatted my micro sd card to fat32, i've formatted both my phone and micro sd card. I've turned off auto rotate and still i have major SOD issues.

lkrfn5283 said:
I'm having the same issue. I'm running
Miri and steves elegancia rom v3
mattc's evo 1.01
michyprima's evo kernal rO
radio 2.10.50.26
I've already went through every "fix" i know of. I've formatted my micro sd card to fat32, i've formatted both my phone and micro sd card. I've turned off auto rotate and still i have major SOD issues.
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This thread is not about talking about SOD issues. It is about how the base winmo also seems to suffer it after running Android for some time.
I will persist a bit more before initiating a task 29.

dusty_nz said:
This thread is not about talking about SOD issues. It is about how the base winmo also seems to suffer it after running Android for some time.
I will persist a bit more before initiating a task 29.
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I WAS TALKING about that. Sorry if my thread didn't imply that, but that is what was meant by my saying "i'm having THE SAME issue" never once did i say it was just about android.

its not just hd 2 that suffers sod,it seems quite a few other snapdragon cpu devices suffer sod as well.is still a problem on toshiba tg 01.

same here. i contacted tmo tech team and they claim the majority of these issues are with either a bad upgrade flash or bad apps.i believe mine was original bad stock rom as it just never worked correctly. i had tried multiple roms, custom and stock, with no real fix. i am glad to say that after installing the new tmo 3.14 from "football" 2 nights ago i have not had to pull the battery one time. i am giving this fresh winmo a couple more days of abuse before i go with a new droid rom just to see how it runs. i think i finally have this thing going good though as i have never even had 8 hrs of good use and now i am on hr 50. i formatted my card just so there wasnt any junk on it and then flashed new winmo stock rom from "football" . good luck bud.

[Q] Music stuttering with EVO based kernel builds.

Is there a solution for the problem of music stuttering?
Don't just blame me for creating this thread.
I have asked this question for a solution in many threads.
Some said that it was a SD card problem with incorrect allocation size or cluster size.
I tried formatting my memory card from the cmd prompt with the following command-
format f: /fs:FAT32 /a:32K
But even after doing this I found no change in the issue.
I even did this with my other 2 SD cards, But the result is same.
I am using the stock 8gb Transcend microsd card got it with my HTC HD2.
I don't know its class details.
While, with the same evo builds, I have tried using the Nexus based Kernel, which resolves this issue but with sound very low.
Can some one help me to get out of my problem!
Thank you.

I think no one wants make a reply in this thread

shree.cse said:
Is there a solution for the problem of music stuttering?
Don't just blame me for creating this thread.
I have asked this question for a solution in many threads.
Some said that it was a SD card problem with incorrect allocation size or cluster size.
I tried formatting my memory card from the cmd prompt with the following command-
format f: /fs:FAT32 /a:32K
But even after doing this I found no change in the issue.
I even did this with my other 2 SD cards, But the result is same.
I am using the stock 8gb Transcend microsd card got it with my HTC HD2.
I don't know its class details.
While, with the same evo builds, I have tried using the Nexus based Kernel, which resolves this issue but with sound very low.
Can some one help me to get out of my problem!
Thank you.
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Hi...I experienced that situation before. What I do is revert back to nexus kernel...
I think there is nothing to do with SD card, it is the stability problem of evo kernel since it is still in its premature stage.
Hope this help...cheers...

sylau90 said:
Hi...I experienced that situation before. What I do is revert back to nexus kernel...
I think there is nothing to do with SD card, it is the stability problem of evo kernel since it is still in its premature stage.
Hope this help...cheers...
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Thank you, But a day back I too just thought as you.
Here is the response I got for asking this question in mdeejay desire Hd 3.3a thread.
Originally Posted by shree.cse
SIMPLY DON'T REPLY AS THE PROBLEM WITH SD FORMATTING.
I tried it but it wasn't resolved.
Actually the problem is with kernel under Evo tree only.
Why because I came with a solution now,
I am now using stock nexus one based kernel out on 13th sep with this desire hd 3.3a. Now I don't have any kind of music stuttering.
Try once.
Correct me if I was wrong.
Sent from my Desire HD
Originally Posted by krat0s123
well i'm sorry but you are very wrong.. believe me.. i've had this same discussion with one of the members here on hastarin's kernel thread.. i told him that the problem is with the microSD card in general.. meaning it could be the way the card is formatted (wrong cluster size or allocation unit size) or just the microSD card itself is having problem.. he had the same reasoning as you, where he said that it only happens on one kernel and fine with the others.. so i pointed out to him that if the problem was indeed with the kernel, you will see a lot of people complaining about the same thing and not just a few which would be addressed by the dev (hence the reason for changelogs).. so what he did is he tried 6 different microSD cards (yes six) and found that one of the microSD card is working perfectly while the others are having stuttering issues.. so what he did is he tried playing with different cluster sizes when formatting the other cards and have had success with them.. another thing is, if you look around on every builds that came out right now, a lot of people are starting to complain about stuttering.. not with the kernel but even on different builds (CM, froyosense, Evo and desire).. so i advice you try the same thing.. try to find a card lying around and install the same build/kernel with them.. and come back with the result..

Finally, I came to a conclusion.
That this problem is really not with SD cards or builds, this is truly the problem of the latest EVO based kernels.
Why I came to this conclusion, I have tried each and every kernel released from 13th sep to till date. I found the problem is gone with all the nexus based kernels.

shree.cse said:
Finally, I came to a conclusion.
That this problem is really not with SD cards or builds, this is truly the problem of the latest EVO based kernels.
Why I came to this conclusion, I have tried each and every kernel released from 13th sep to till date. I found the problem is gone with all the nexus based kernels.
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idd I also have this problem.

HectiQ said:
idd I also have this problem.
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Have you Formatted your SD card and tested after doing that?

I'm getting this too, i have tried different cluster sizes and they have offered some improvement however there is the occasional stutter. Some people's logic that as it only happens on certain cards, the card must be the problem is clearly wrong. Surely if that card worked fine with the nexus kernel then it is infact the evo kernel tree causing this issue.

Dude,i tested like 10 different cards,and believe me,brand is the magic word,not class.....take a sandisk ultra 8 gb class 6 with 64 clustersize....no lag or stuttering,my adata,kingston class 6 stutters,how do you explain that? Well i can,my sandisk does 18-20mb/s and the other 2 10-12 mb/s......you do the matt....
Jack E said:
I'm getting this too, i have tried different cluster sizes and they have offered some improvement however there is the occasional stutter. Some people's logic that as it only happens on certain cards, the card must be the problem is clearly wrong. Surely if that card worked fine with the nexus kernel then it is infact the evo kernel tree causing this issue.
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It may be due to brand, however I also have a class 6 sandisk card, but surely that is irrelevant as the problem is kernel specific. Why would a card that works perfectly fine with the nexus kernels have problems with kernels based off the evo tree, would seem that the kernel is at fault. Also why would music stutter when you would need a read speed of less than 1MB/second to play a track with a bitrate of 320Kb/second... you do the math and don't insult my intelligence.
edit: I'm also using the 64KB cluster size.

Surely then in this case the EVO kernels have a severe problem with reading SD cards. It's not normal having to format the cards like that to be able to listen to music.

Jack E said:
It may be due to brand, however I also have a class 6 sandisk card, but surely that is irrelevant as the problem is kernel specific. Why would a card that works perfectly fine with the nexus kernels have problems with kernels based off the evo tree, would seem that the kernel is at fault. Also why would music stutter when you would need a read speed of less than 1MB/second to play a track with a bitrate of 320Kb/second... you do the math and don't insult my intelligence.
edit: I'm also using the 64KB cluster size.
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Hey dude! You are 100% correct.
I tried with different cluster sizes but my system doesn't supports to format my SD card with 64k cluster size.
It's the time for the developers to concentrate on the EVO KERNELS other than blaming the user's SD card.
Sent from my Desire HD

I use an evo kernal and i get slight and minor skips when using the stock music app.
I dont get skips ands stutters when I use a different music app like rockbox.
I am not saying this will work for everyone. Its just what I do and It works fine for me

There must be something wrong, but I think it's more ROM specific than just the kernal. I had lots of problems with stuttering when using the Desire HD build. I've now changed to FroyoStone 3.1 which uses the EVO kernal tree and never had a problem. BTW I haven't formatted my SD card in about 6 months so I can't see how the problem can come and go if it was caused by that.

crazyman1 said:
There must be something wrong, but I think it's more ROM specific than just the kernal. I had lots of problems with stuttering when using the Desire HD build. I've now changed to FroyoStone 3.1 which uses the EVO kernal tree and never had a problem. BTW I haven't formatted my SD card in about 6 months so I can't see how the problem can come and go if it was caused by that.
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May be, but I haven't tried the froyostone sense 3.1 build. So, that I can't say anymore.
But I tried all the rest of the Evo builds and sense builds and Desire HD builds of Mdeejay, Sergio and Darkstone.
I am having this problem more or less.
But while changing to the nexus based kernel the problem completely went off. that's why I made this conclusion.
I'll try froyostone 3.1 and report you back.
Thank you
Sent from my Desire HD

hazard99 said:
I use an evo kernal and i get slight and minor skips when using the stock music app.
I dont get skips ands stutters when I use a different music app like rockbox.
I am not saying this will work for everyone. Its just what I do and It works fine for me
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Where can I get this app, I searched with the keyword on market. No result found.
Can you please send me the link.
Sent from my Desire HD

The link I found is now dead as confirmed by another user. I would suggest Google search
Sent from my HTC HD2 Decepticon using XDA App

i don't have this issue. using a samsung class 6 8gb card if it matters

shree.cse said:
Is there a solution for the problem of music stuttering?
Don't just blame me for creating this thread.
I have asked this question for a solution in many threads.
Some said that it was a SD card problem with incorrect allocation size or cluster size.
I tried formatting my memory card from the cmd prompt with the following command-
format f: /fs:FAT32 /a:32K
But even after doing this I found no change in the issue.
I even did this with my other 2 SD cards, But the result is same.
I am using the stock 8gb Transcend microsd card got it with my HTC HD2.
I don't know its class details.
While, with the same evo builds, I have tried using the Nexus based Kernel, which resolves this issue but with sound very low.
Can some one help me to get out of my problem!
Thank you.
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I have to agree that the card can be the most likely cause for the stuttering. That isn't to say it is in your case, though. But, from my own recent experience, the card was the culprit of stuttering in one of my eVo-based builds. I was using the 16GB Sandisk Class 2 card that came with my HD2 and had serious stuttering. I switched over to an 8GB Sandisk class 4 card and the stuttering vanished. The build worked smoothly and the music played smoothly.

I don't think we are denying that it is occurring with certain cards, more stating that this issue shouldn't be happening and needs to be fixed rather than ignored by kernel devs.

Desire HD roms are slow on my HD2

I have an HD2 with SPL 2.08 and radio 2.15 , WinMo rom - Dexter .sencity 21.11 .
I have tried with other combinations too. My SD card is the original class 2 2gb micro SD. When I install Desire rom it works fast and everything is fine. When I put a Desire HD rom however it is slow - i takes 1-2 secs for it to open keyboard or the menus and so on. I dont know what the problem is or how can I see exactly how slow it is. Any help would be much appreciated! It is odd that people report that the Desire HD roms are really fast when they are slow on my HD2. Probably I messed up something but I dont know what so please HELP! I have tried different roms from m-deejay and Sergio76 and so on. The Froyo stock roms also work fast and flawless. I know there is another thread but it is in another section and there are no responses because this sections has 100x more activity. THank you!

Man honestly to rule out any possibilities of the ROM being the factor you have to use a class 6 or above sd card, otherwise you have no way of really troubleshooting what your problem is. Also, Devs mention in the releases all the time the Radio and WinMo ROM they use so to insure the same performance they can only give you what they are running as well.

SkyWalka said:
Man honestly to rule out any possibilities of the ROM being the factor you have to use a class 6 or above sd card, otherwise you have no way of really troubleshooting what your problem is. Also, Devs mention in the releases all the time the Radio and WinMo ROM they use so to insure the same performance they can only give you what they are running as well.
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The class of the SD card has nothing to do with it. The majority or people that have tried a class 4 and above say it is a lot worse than the stock SD card. I have tried and it was a lot worse for me also.
The Windows ROM and radio can have a LOT to do with it though.

m2]iceman said:
I have an HD2 with SPL 2.08 and radio 2.15 , WinMo rom - Dexter .sencity 21.11 .
I have tried with other combinations too. My SD card is the original class 2 2gb micro SD. When I install Desire rom it works fast and everything is fine. When I put a Desire HD rom however it is slow - i takes 1-2 secs for it to open keyboard or the menus and so on. I dont know what the problem is or how can I see exactly how slow it is. Any help would be much appreciated! It is odd that people report that the Desire HD roms are really fast when they are slow on my HD2. Probably I messed up something but I dont know what so please HELP! I have tried different roms from m-deejay and Sergio76 and so on. The Froyo stock roms also work fast and flawless. I know there is another thread but it is in another section and there are no responses because this sections has 100x more activity. THank you!
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By the way, how long exactly did you give it? These HD Roms can literally take hours to settle in and they won't be real speedy until they are completely done syncing everything. I have noticed that sometimes you won't see the sync icon but things will still be syncing in the background, inlcuding the Android market because these new Roms backup all your apps and data with the market and HTC sense. I am using Sergio76's and it is flying so I would try again but give it a lot of time to settle. Hope it works out for you, good luck!

As Motoman said, it will take time for everything to sync, but many reboots is very important. I have been using Mdeejay's Desire HD 4.1 for three days now, and don't have any problems. I must have rebooted 8-10 times the original day and that helped extremely well with speed.

motoman234 said:
The class of the SD card has nothing to do with it. The majority or people that have tried a class 4 and above say it is a lot worse than the stock SD card. I have tried and it was a lot worse for me also.
The Windows ROM and radio can have a LOT to do with it though.
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At worst a class 6 card (for example) might not provide much in the way of an improvement over a stock class 2 but there is no way it would be 'a lot worse'.
Personally, I noticed a speed increase on identical builds when I swapped from my class 2 to a class 6 but nothing too drastic.

motoman234 said:
By the way, how long exactly did you give it? These HD Roms can literally take hours to settle in and they won't be real speedy until they are completely done syncing everything. I have noticed that sometimes you won't see the sync icon but things will still be syncing in the background, inlcuding the Android market because these new Roms backup all your apps and data with the market and HTC sense. I am using Sergio76's and it is flying so I would try again but give it a lot of time to settle. Hope it works out for you, good luck!
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I agree with motoman that sdcards have nothing to do with the speed they might make a very little difference which can be negligible, I am suffering from a lot of lag in desire HD builds............
@motoman234, so can you tell us how exactly we should install these desire hd roms ?,

i was having the same issue with the hd roms. i thought they were terrible. i now have MDJ FroYo HD v.4.3=-[kernel:MDJ S7.5HD] running very well. i had to change my rom to achieve this. the wmrom is useless IMO but it lets me run android hd now. i am using this rom
ChuckyDroidROM-HTCFrameworkEdition.Nov.05.7z
and this radio
Radio_Leo_2.15.50.14
i also install bsb tweaks in winmo and set to power save mode. turn off everything in winmo and auto boot to android with hard keys lit up.
it works for me

Same issue as OP here. All non-HD ROMs run really fast. But other Desire HD ROMs are plain terrible speed-wise. I have a good Class 6 card.

It's a kernel issue. There is nothing you can do.

Pagnell said:
At worst a class 6 card (for example) might not provide much in the way of an improvement over a stock class 2 but there is no way it would be 'a lot worse'.
Personally, I noticed a speed increase on identical builds when I swapped from my class 2 to a class 6 but nothing too drastic.
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To each is own I suppose. I can only speak for myself when I say that a class 6 card made me have SOD every time when waking the phone from sleep, not to mention overall less performance. Not sure what it is about them but it was bad in my case but I doubt every single person will experience this.

vtec303 said:
I agree with motoman that sdcards have nothing to do with the speed they might make a very little difference which can be negligible, I am suffering from a lot of lag in desire HD builds............
@motoman234, so can you tell us how exactly we should install these desire hd roms ?,
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It is a bit time consuming to get them rolling smooth for the first time but these are the steps I usually use when installing them for those of you that can not get them running like they should.
1) Boot up the build (fresh start)
2) Wait a couple minutes before unlocking the screen for the first time.
3) Setup everything in the SetupWizard.
4) From the moment you hit the "Finish" button on the SetupWizard, set your phone down for about 30-45 minutes before touching anything (OFF the charger if possible since it can get really hot when it is syncing everything for the first time. Charging can just add to that heat)
5) After you notice things to get a little faster, reboot the phone and then boot back into Android.
6) Wait another 5 minutes before unlocking the phone.
7) You should be good to go, if things still seem a little laggy try to reboot one more time.
I know this seems overboard but these HD builds have a lot to them. After you get the process over with you should be happy you did it. Once again **This is just what works for me** I am using Core Droid V0.2 by the way.

@Motoman234,
Not overboard...it's good advice. Thank you for the steps! P.S. Good to see a chef from my neck of the woods! Thank you sir!!

motoman234 said:
The class of the SD card has nothing to do with it. The majority or people that have tried a class 4 and above say it is a lot worse than the stock SD card. I have tried and it was a lot worse for me also.
The Windows ROM and radio can have a LOT to do with it though.
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Pagnell said:
At worst a class 6 card (for example) might not provide much in the way of an improvement over a stock class 2 but there is no way it would be 'a lot worse'.
Personally, I noticed a speed increase on identical builds when I swapped from my class 2 to a class 6 but nothing too drastic.
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The Speed of the SD card has nothing to do with the roms performance.
The only difference that we will feel between a 'Class 2' and a 'Class 6' is when copying files to or from the SD card.
I noticed that on my 16GB Class 2, I have a transfer rate up to 4 MB/s when copying the Android folder and this card is supposed to have a maximum of 2mb writing while on my 8GB Class 6 I can copy up to 10 Mb/s the same Android folder (twice as fast).
But when Android runs I don't feel any difference at all.
The reason why the Desire HD roms are slow on the HD2 is because these roms were optimized to work under 768 MB RAM while our HD2 has only 576 MB RAM.
We barely have 100MB of free RAM with a Desire HD rom but with a stock rom we can have 300MB and more free.

ForceField said:
The Speed of the SD card has nothing to do with the roms performance.
The only difference that we will feel between a 'Class 2' and a 'Class 6' is when copying files to or from the SD card.
I noticed that on my 16GB Class 2, I have a transfer rate up to 4 MB/s when copying the Android folder and this card is supposed to have a maximum of 2mb writing while on my 8GB Class 6 I can copy up to 10 Mb/s the same Android folder (twice as fast).
But when Android runs I don't feel any difference at all.
The reason why the Desire HD roms are slow on the HD2 is because these roms were optimized to work under 768 MB RAM while our HD2 has only 576 MB RAM.
We barely have 100MB of free RAM with a Desire HD rom but with a stock rom we can have 300MB and more free.
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I think what makes it worse is that we dont get 576mb ram in android, as this has not been built into kernels, we are only getting about 350mb of ram. If I check my available ram it is around the 300mb mark and has never been above 350mb.

u must just reboot you device after 1-st boot

hookguy said:
I think what makes it worse is that we dont get 576mb ram in android, as this has not been built into kernels, we are only getting about 350mb of ram. If I check my available ram it is around the 300mb mark and has never been above 350mb.
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Yes,the secret of having a good performance on any device is to have 1/3 of the amount of RAM always free.
For ex if you have 3GB of ram,you can use till 2GB and you will be very good.
But if you use 2.1 GB of the 3GB then don't think twice and upgrade immediately.
We are using this equation on our servers and t works pretty well,at least for our company.

I've only tested desire_hd beta and Core Droid HD v0.2 so far. Nonetheless, both have been quick and solid here. Like mentioned by motoman234, give these builds time to sync your market apps and settle down, then reboot a couple times, and you should be good to go. If the build has heavy lag, it's most likely still trying to download your market apps and install them as well as sync your personal data. Patience is key here.
Also, this goes for every build, but make sure that your keypad lights are on when booting into android. Doing this has normally solved any high standby battery drain that I've run into to date.
As far as MircoSDHC cards go, I have tested a handful of different class and size cards with the HD2, and found that once the system is booted up, there's no difference, or the higher class cards have more SOD or freeze issues for some reason. The HD2 can only handle so much, and random read speed appears to be the most important factor. In turn, a good quality class 2 card should be all you need. That said, I've been running a Sandisk 32GB class 2 card for months now, without a single problem to date. Regardless of what card you use, I highly recommend using SD Formatter in quick format mode.
Another thought... it may help a little to use a standard wallpaper at first, instead of the live wallpaper, just until the system has settled down.
All that said, I'm a huge fan of Core Droid HD, due to the animations and polished theme work done by Sergio76. It's an excellent build, and you can easily get the camcorder working with the system files fix included in the thread.
On a kind of related note, motoman234 has an excellent EVO Sense Black & Blue Remix build available, if the Desire HD Sense builds are too heavy for your needs.
Best to all,
R

Well said, thanks man.

motoman234 said:
Well said, thanks man.
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Cheers motoman234! And... thank you so much for your excellent build work and help. To say the least, your EVO remix has been extra solid here.
Best to all,
R

The rush to NAND, what am I missing here?

Since the first NAND build almost everyone here in the forum can't stop talking about it.
Am I the only one thinking, why do one need it?
- it makes no progress to functionality. We had everything already with SD builds.
- Switching between build is now longer and riskier.
- One needs to commit himself to a build because it won't be possible to jump from a sense to a stock, or from froyo to gingerbread with a single boot.
For example MDJ's gingerbread without GPS can be quickly switched to a full working froyo.
- With SD build one can take full potential of the storage on the phone. With NAND system size is limited and one can't install unlimited amount of apps.
- So boot time is longer with SD builds. Come-on got to be some other reason to move to NAND.
I open this discussion for people to enlight me what am I missing when I ask for SD builds.
Sent from my Android HTC HD2

Maybe u should take a look at the NAND pro and contra thread.

I fully agree with you. I don't really understand the interest for NAND. It boots faster for sure and drains a little less but compared to the advantages you mentioned of sd card or even ram NAND is not for many people.

Aside from the battery life and faster boot I think most of the desire for Android NAND is due to the dislike/hatred of windows mobile on this phone.
HTC produced a stunningly specced phone and then slapped windows mobile on it with no option to upgrade to win phone 7 or sidegrade to Android, and a lot of people see that as a bit of a slap in the face. I certainly do. Stating that there will never be an android build from HTC for it and then producing the EVO was a bit disrespectful of customers.
Also there is the (for me) a slight feeling of im-permanence of the SD builds. Yes, they are great and its fun and useful to be able to switch between them at will but the nand versions just feel a bit more solid, if you will.
A lot of it is down to human nature rather than actual technological benefit, sort of a "Hah, you said we couldnt do it but we did, so forget you". (With apologies to Cee Lo Green).

abrise said:
I fully agree with you. I don't really understand the interest for NAND. It boots faster for sure and drains a little less but compared to the advantages you mentioned of sd card or even ram NAND is not for many people.
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DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!

mally2 said:
DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!
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I dont get it why ppl make a topic only to whine about NAND. The devs put so much hard work in it and then they see topics like this.... plzzzzz
If u dont like it ... dont use it ok ... or buy a native android phone

zat0x said:
I dont get it why ppl make a topic only to whine about NAND. The devs put so much hard work in it and then they see topics like this.... plzzzzz
If u dont like it ... dont use it ok ... or buy a native android phone
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They didnt get enough hugs as a child??

As stated before it has many improvements over the SD version:
-battery life
-stability
-loading times
-there is no risk in bricking your phone(unless someone is very very stupid, and i am not saying that someone is)
-with the sd version a download from the market sometimes took 2 minutes, now it takes max 2-3 seconds.
-flashing back to winmo if you like is maximum 5 minutes
-flashing a new android takes max 5 minutes(MAX).
- no lag at all
I am sure there are more but this is what i could think of right now.
Try and you will see.

Seriously.. Why wouldn't you like having more options to choose from?
If you are afraid that devs will stop developing for SD builds, then you shouldn't be.. There are enough people out there staying with SD builds.
I just don't like the sluggishness the WM-boot gives me.. It adds another layer of uselessness to me, as I don't use WM anymore at all..
I love my HD2 running NAND with the HTC Desire HD build of gauner. For one, I don't have to be messing around with SD mounting and unmouting anymore. I hate the fact that the main OS actually tuns off the card that you should use as swappable storage, which it was introduced for.
Everyone is entitled to their respective opinions, and there is no harm in having more to choose from.

BLAST3RR said:
Seriously.. Why wouldn't you like having more options to choose from?
If you are afraid that devs will stop developing for SD builds, then you shouldn't be.. There are enough people out there staying with SD builds.
I just don't like the sluggishness the WM-boot gives me.. It adds another layer of uselessness to me, as I don't use WM anymore at all..
I love my HD2 running NAND with the HTC Desire HD build of gauner. For one, I don't have to be messing around with SD mounting and unmouting anymore. I hate the fact that the main OS actually tuns off the card that you should use as swappable storage, which it was introduced for.
Everyone is entitled to their respective opinions, and there is no harm in having more to choose from.
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+1 on that. I'll be sticking with SD builds for the foreseeable future. At least until Android is perfected. The Gingerbread build doesn't even have working GPS or camcorder and is NAND. That, to me, is ridiculous.

I know its been said enough already but the clincher for me was the improved battery life. I just got a full two days with phone usage (light) SMS usage (heavy) and WiFi usage (heavy). That really was a breath of fresh air in the world of 12 hrs SD builds.
Also, i think people were right to point out a lot of draw towards the NAND build has been a reaction to WM6.5. The OS was seriously lacking and was a poor choice to put on such a capable device. It lacked the real functionality of a smartphone which seriously hampered the HD2. With android the phone seems to get a new lease on life and i am quite happy in keeping it for another 1 year.
Although it is early days for NAND builds but i am sure with the passage of time their obviously advantages will be apparent to all. Although SD build do give you fast switching but seriously it becomes a pain to keep switching and then backing up and restoring all your data and applications. I have been there and done that. Atleast with a NAND build switching is prevented and stability is creeping in.

berbecverde said:
As stated before it has many improvements over the SD version:
-battery life
-stability
-loading times
-there is no risk in bricking your phone(unless someone is very very stupid, and i am not saying that someone is)
-with the sd version a download from the market sometimes took 2 minutes, now it takes max 2-3 seconds.
-flashing back to winmo if you like is maximum 5 minutes
-flashing a new android takes max 5 minutes(MAX).
- no lag at all
I am sure there are more but this is what i could think of right now.
Try and you will see.
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You missed out No Windows Mobile I really dont get this Thread,The guys have been workin on nand for months so that we can eliminate the problems we had booting off SD ,Nand has made things a lot easier now that we no longer have to rely on Windows,Ive been testing it for a day now and its fantastic,a hell of more stable and you can use every day

TheiPhoneKiller said:
You missed out No Windows Mobile I really dont get this Thread,The guys have been workin on nand for months so that we can eliminate the problems we had booting off SD ,Nand has made things a lot easier now that we no longer have to rely on Windows,Ive been testing it for a day now and its fantastic,a hell of more stable and you can use every day
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It depends on which SD build you were using. The ones in my sig are top-notch, fully-functioning and daily-use stable. The battery life is excellent.

Can someone confirm this. It seem rmnet is not stable at edge connection. The data arrow always gone and then it reconnect again. Happen with me couple times when I was browsing internetan
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MartyLK said:
It depends on which SD build you were using. The ones in my sig are top-notch, fully-functioning and daily-use stable. The battery life is excellent.
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very true but then you have TMOUS HD2 wich performs a little better than our Euro ones.lol.The other thing is wich is a good advantage is ican use more space on my SD and safely unmount it without any problems

mally2 said:
DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!
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Right, but Almost all my SD did not boot correctly with MagLdr
My experience with nand is FASTER A LOT, drain less battery, no lag at all (except on my old hd2 (probably broken, no proxymity detector, no more vibration, volume key works bad etc.) that lags more than with the sd card (I had to revert to win)).
Mag is a LOT Faster to download/install apps. (50kb/s now its 400k/s and installation is faster), smoother.
Because now, I can change my SD card whenever I want (Full of taken videos/photos with the phone, full of mp3 etc).
Why nand, because Lock Phones utilities are useless with Windows.
Why nand ? .... Because !

There's a few factors to consider and these can be deal breakers for some people.
1. The version of the HD2 running a Nand version. T-Mobile US phones get more space to play with whereas the Euro version doesn't. I've got a US version but I really only use 20 or so apps.
2. Data - Since downloading Topia HD last night, I had one data drop running from Nand and that was opening market. When it was SD it was constant!
3. Battery - some people are reporting excellent battery life on Nand. But they reported that on SD versions as well. Everyone has their fixes for it too, but it doesn't work for everyone. Right now I seem to be doing ok so we'll see.
4. Risk - its less riskier than flashing HSPL or a new ROM in WinMo which brings me to my final point and deal breaker for me.
5. It's no longer running WinMo!!! For me that was what I was waiting for. No more gimpy OS ruining my phone. I know a lot of people love WinMo but I'm not one of them. I almost gave this phone back when I got it in March of 2010. It was frustrating and by my 1st week of owning it I had done 3 or more fresh resets. After that I did a reset almost every month until Android became stable to run everyday. I say good riddance to WinMo finally lol
In the end, its about preference. My preference is a phone with little or no hassle and huge functionality which I now get with Android and especially now with it running from Nand. If it was still running from SD or RAM I'd still be ok as long as it wasn't WinMo.
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One big issue with NAND, that is being overlooked, is no support right now for WinXP. The magldr seems to be flashable only in Win7. There are a number of people who still don't have Win7, myself included, and are still on WinXP.

MartyLK said:
One big issue with NAND, that is being overlooked, is no support right now for WinXP. The magldr seems to be flashable only in Win7. There are a number of people who still don't have Win7, myself included, and are still on WinXP.
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Are you still on XP by choice or becouse of old hardware / no budget for new OS? if your still on XP becouse you dont wanna go Win7 i only have to say Get along with the times. I would say a update for windows XP and Vista would come sooner then later.

laggy, choppy, slow response?

Hey guys,
I just dual booted my hd2, super fruit 7.5 and cm9 ics nexus SD build, and I don't know if its just me, or if I was expecting too much, but the android portion is very laggy and slow to respond. Even typing is slow and laggy. Is this just me expecting too much from an Sd build? Or is there maybe something I did wrong?
Spl 2.08
Radio 2.15.50.14
Maglrd 1.13
SD card 32 gb sandisk mobile ultra class i

And Also when in windows, the earpice and speakerphone volumes are extremely low even when turned up to max.

TripleP46 said:
Hey guys,
I just dual booted my hd2, super fruit 7.5 and cm9 ics nexus SD build, and I don't know if its just me, or if I was expecting too much, but the android portion is very laggy and slow to respond. Even typing is slow and laggy. Is this just me expecting too much from an Sd build? Or is there maybe something I did wrong?
Spl 2.08
Radio 2.15.50.14
Maglrd 1.13
SD card 32 gb sandisk mobile ultra class i
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12.Aug.2012 MAGLDR/SD NexusHD2-ICS-4.0.4-CM9-HWA-SD V2.6 is the ROM you've installed, isn't it.
I would at first try all recommendation of members in that thread which reported same or at least similary issue before starting a new one.
Short wrap up what you can do, update initrd.gz, increase sd speed, limit background process, increase cpu, format your sd card and so on.......you have to play with all of these parameters.
For most of all these actions you can use RomToolbox pro.
If you're still suffering maybe you try another build, again some people get the build running smooth some not, even the set up looks same on the first view.
I have alway's 2 or 3 builds on my sd and try them under normal conditiion, which means for my daily work, which includes phone calls,SMS, data/WiFi usage to justify which build to use at the end.
Good luck :good:!!
Cheers.....LinChina

I believe we entered the era of laggy semi-functional ROMs post-Gingerbread. The last time I had no problems, lags of FC and the ROM felt stable and reliable was over 6 months ago. Can't honestly say which ROM worked as expected, no matter the title or description promises, so if you want to go with ICS or JB (even less functional), find the ROM you can live with without expectations of full functionality or lag.

enigma1nz said:
I believe we entered the era of laggy semi-functional ROMs post-Gingerbread. The last time I had no problems, lags of FC and the ROM felt stable and reliable was over 6 months ago. Can't honestly say which ROM worked as expected, no matter the title or description promises, so if you want to go with ICS or JB (even less functional), find the ROM you can live with without expectations of full functionality or lag.
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Quite funny your comment ........because yesterday you stated this :good: and it would be the one you will keep.....??!!
Ok......another day
Some moderator might close this thread sooner than later.
Cheers.....LinChina

wrong Thread :silly: