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Could someone explain to this guardian writer that app purchases are tied to your Google account and not lost when your phone is wiped...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/dec/25/android-google?mobile-redirect=false
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trinode said:
Could someone explain to this guardian writer that app purchases are tied to your Google account and not lost when your phone is wiped...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/dec/25/android-google?mobile-redirect=false
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Might have just been a fluke for his phone. Generally incremental updates on the stock ROM/same custom ROM don't wipe anything at all.
The only time the Nexus S will wipe everything is when you unlock the bootloader, as far as I know. I've done several wipes/factory resets, installation of ROMs, NAND backup restores, all without anything touching the SD card partition.
It is not uncommon for wipes to delete your text message history, favorited websites, call logs, apps, et al... that's why it's a wipe. But to touch the SD card partition is very, very uncommon and has only happened to me in the instance mentioned above.
The bit I dislike is:-
"The simple option: don't accept the update. We hope it was a huge mistake that will be withdrawn. But for those who have spent money on apps, that won't be much recompense."
It implies they have lost apps they have purchased....
Bad Guardian, Bad.
Im not going to completely dismiss the article, but it could have been written differently.
It is true though it is not the same thing they are describing but some apps from the market did disappear when 2.3.1 dropped
Was a weird bug. Updates never wipe anything or delete apps. And all app purchases, both free and paid, are tied to your Google account. So even if you wipe your phone, once you re sign in with your account, all apps install automatically, paid ones and all.
You can take all your paid apps with you wherever your account goes. New phone etc.
So I let my 7 year old son play some games on my Nexus 7.
Next thing I get a bunch of emails from Google Play: in-app purchase receipts!! Racked up quite a tidy sum on my credit card.
I have a PIN set in Play Store settings so figured he had managed to work it out. Went to change the PIN, only to find that no PIN was set at all.
I know for a fact I haven't disabled it so the only other thing I can think of is that the 4.2 update reset it.
If so, thanks for the warning Google!
It's quite possible. The Play Store PIN is NOT secure. All your kid needs to do is go to Settings / Apps and clear Play Store data, and the PIN goes away.
What they really need is a *server*-side enforced system, that you can set per-device or globally.
I did a factory reset before submitting my device to Samsung repair. But before doing it, to not have any trace of my online/offline data after reset I had to take care of ‘Factory Reset Protection’ (FRP) so that it won't ask to enter my email after reset. I removed the device security locks including fingerprints and also any Google account associated as said by 99% articles over internet (at least in my 30 mins of read thru of Google searches specifically for Samsung & also generally for android). Also had checked necessary options for all of my datas to be synced to Google. But in order to reinforce my knowledge about FRP and how it’s getting triggered I went thru some YouTube videos and articles specifically for Samsung & also generally for android prior to reset. And finally everything was good to go and ready for repair
Got my device after repair and did a reset again for Google to ask to restore my apps from previous backup of the same device. But it didn’t as you can see from the pic attached.
So what could be the reason you ask. When I removed the Google account (primary) for reset process, all the ‘App datas’ (thankfully not my contacts and other stuffs) were cleared from Google servers. Simply to say, the ‘Remove account’ option will tell Google that this device is no longer associated with this account and to delete all Android related datas associated and there is no way you can get this back.
So I don’t know whom to blame. The hundred’s of article over Internet about FRP (example: http://www.androidcentral.com/factory-reset-protection-what-you-need-know )
OR Samsung for not giving any information anywhere in internet or even in the Software (as warnings) [Their only website related to FRP is still down here in my country at least]. OR Google? For not giving any clear information regarding this action.
Anyway there is no use in crying over spilt milk. All I have to do now is manually install all my 83 apps one by one that were previously installed and who knows whether their respective datas can still be synced. There were even circumstances which most of us should have gone thru when the Google not showing yesterday app restore list but 1 week ago in the setup process.
Things like this can very well frustrate anyone if they are heaving depending on cloud. This is just one of the many little things(software, H/W dependent) in Android that may frustrate a user very much. NO WONDER WHY PEOPLE MOVE TO iOS. Because over customizability and all there are some stuffs that matters the most and iOS still excels in that. We geeks know that but it’s the freedom and exploration that makes us forget all those important stuffs.
For those of you gonna say “YOU SHOULD HAVE USED SMART SWITCH, ADB BACKUP, TITANIUM BACKUP OR SOMETHING ELSE” -- when something is meant to work it should work. I even had bad experiences with Titanium backup, could be device specific but whatever it is.
Welcoming all POSITIVE and NEGATIVE comments. LOL.
Running stock TouchWiz with the April patch. Tried a reset without removing Google account and it didn't ask for the mail ID to be entered for verification during setup process. So basically something have changed recently on how FRP works and whatever I've wriiten is what you have to take care of. regarding backup and all. Please share this thread with you friends. .
Will appreciate a thanks.
Thanks for sharing. Seems like a good warning for all of us.
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Sorry to hear of your difficulties. My own frustrations have been building with Android as well. It is ridiculous how much we have to eff around with hidden settings and tweaks to get decent battery life. I am keeping an eye on the iPhone 7 to be honest.
Though apple ecosystem has its own share of frustrations.
Thanks for the info. I too had experience of some backup apps not working as they intended to be. Even Titanium Backup had given me tension when new android version comes or sometimes for no reason. But my go to solution(even without root I believe) is always have been Tasker+AutoInput combo. When nothing works out I just program them both to install apps from PlayStore based on the app list I manually backed up with another app. That's it. Don't know whether that will cause any bad effect on device hardware. Does it?
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Sorry to hear of your difficulties. My own frustrations have been building with Android as well. It is ridiculous how much we have to eff around with hidden settings and tweaks to get decent battery life. I am keeping an eye on the iPhone 7 to be honest.
Though apple ecosystem has its own share of frustrations.
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I agree as i mentioned in OP. Sad to see Snapdragon 820 users struggle with battery life by removing un-wanted system packages. This even exists to an extent in my unlocked DUOS version. Google gotta have more control over Android. Hope with Android N this is not just gonna be with updates but also else where. Come on Google it's 2016.
OH gosh. This is an important piece of information. Somebody should link to this info by posting an article in xda-developer.com . Is there any way to reuquest?
Thanks BTW for a warning
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.Simply to say, the ‘Remove account’ option will tell Google that this device is no longer associated with this account and to delete all Android related datas associated and there is no way you can get this back
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1) Disable Internet connectivity (wifi, data)
2) Remove accounts, then
3) Factory reset
Google doesn't know that about the removal so app data is still in your account, yet the device no longer has any link to the Google account so it's safe against FRP.
That said, with multi devices (and household members sharing 1 common account as the base account), I don't back app data to Google at all. TiBu has its quirks but I've yet to lose anything with it. On the contrary, I probably have too much back up (who needs Gingerbread apps back ups??? yeah, I still have them LOL).
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1) Disable Internet connectivity (wifi, data)
2) Remove accounts, then
3) Factory reset
Google doesn't know that about the removal so app data is still in your account, yet the device no longer has any link to the Google account so it's safe against FRP.
That said, with multi devices (and household members sharing 1 common account as the base account), I don't back app data to Google at all. TiBu has its quirks but I've yet to lose anything with it. On the contrary, I probably have too much back up (who needs Gingerbread apps back ups??? yeah, I still have them LOL).
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That's the only way it seems for hard reset. But as I mentioned in my OP there is no need of removing the Google account for soft reset. FRP won't be triggered.
can someone please help me ,i did not not update my phone i got it back from RMA and it would not complete the setup process .
i entered my google account and it kept on freezing and would not set up
failed first 3 times then on the 4th try it it almost set up , i got the new device sign in notification on my other device
but google play store would not sign in or download apps it hung there for hours
when i rebooted the phone it said system update in progress ,the phone was already on 7.1.2
i think huawei puts their own versions on when you send it in,does not seem like a good idea to overwrite to the normal OTA version but nobody seems to know if it is safe or not but i would rather not do it if possible
i held down power and vol down and get to the boot menu but i have no idea what to do or if it is possible to stop the update
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can someone please help me ,i did not not update my phone i got it back from RMA and it would not complete the setup process . i entered my google account and it kept on freezing and would not set up failed first 3 times then on the 4th try it it almost set up , i got the new device sign in notification on my other device but google play store would not sign in or download apps it hung there for hours
when i rebooted the phone it said system update in progress ,the phone was already on 7.1.2 i think huawei puts their own versions on when you send it in,does not seem like a good idea to overwrite to the normal OTA version but nobody seems to know if it is safe or not but i would rather not do it if possible i held down power and vol down and get to the boot menu but i have no idea what to do or if it is possible to stop the update
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First off, boot to recovery mode and do a factory reset. If you don't know how, there are plenty of YouTube videos out there. Secondly you MUST to be able to log into your Google account. You said "it would not log in". Not sure what that really means, but after the factory reset make sure you have SOLID and known working Wi-Fi connection and try the setup again. Once you have logged in to your Google account, it should offer to restore your apps/settings from the last time your old phone was working correctly. If this doesn't work then download the latest full image from Google and install with flash-all.bat using the instructions on the download page.
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First off, boot to recovery mode and do a factory reset. If you don't know how, there are plenty of YouTube videos out there. Secondly you MUST to be able to log into your Google account. You said "it would not log in". Not sure what that really means, but after the factory reset make sure you have SOLID and known working Wi-Fi connection and try the setup again. Once you have logged in to your Google account, it should offer to restore your apps/settings from the last time your old phone was working correctly. If this doesn't work then download the latest full image from Google and install with flash-all.bat using the instructions on the download page.
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i RMA'd my phone and had to factory data reset , i enabled all backup and sync options
i tried to sign in with my google account , the phone froze at installing apps but it only said 6 of 7 apps and froze,i got a new device sign in notification on another device so it signed in but it did not restore my apps
i rebooted the device , it performed a system update,(weird because it was already on 7.1.2)
still no apps ,just stock apps
i reboot still no apps i perform 2 factory date resets and select back up from cloud but now it still only will restore the stock app it will not restore any of my apps
last time i RMA the phone and factory data reset it automaticall reinstalled my apps ,now it won't install the apps it just install the stock apps
how do i get this to install my apps?
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i RMA'd my phone and had to factory data reset , i enabled all backup and sync options
i tried to sign in with my google account , the phone froze at installing apps but it only said 6 of 7 apps and froze,i got a new device sign in notification on another device so it signed in but it did not restore my apps
i rebooted the device , it performed a system update,(weird because it was already on 7.1.2)
still no apps ,just stock apps
i reboot still no apps i perform 2 factory date resets and select back up from cloud but now it still only will restore the stock app it will not restore any of my apps
last time i RMA the phone and factory data reset it automatically reinstalled my apps ,now it won't install the apps it just install the stock apps
how do i get this to install my apps?
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When you first boot to 7.1.2, it is normal get a popup screen that says it is finalizing updates or completing system updates (something like that) then the popup goes away. Huawei does not have, or install their "own version" of Android on devices. Your problem now seems limited to the Play Store not restoring your apps? Assuming you are logged into the same Google account, you should still be able to see your apps under the "Library" tab in PS. If they are listed there but not under the "Installed" tab then you have a sync problem with the PS. Try force closing the PS, and then clear data and reboot. You can also check the sync status under Settings>>Accounts>>Google>>App Data. If things look normal there (synced recently), then under the 3 dot menu, REMOVE your account and reboot the phone. Add the account back and re-sync.
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When you first boot to 7.1.2, it is normal get a popup screen that says it is finalizing updates or completing system updates (something like that) then the popup goes away. Huawei does not have, or install their "own version" of Android on devices. Your problem now seems limited to the Play Store not restoring your apps? Assuming you are logged into the same Google account, you should still be able to see your apps under the "Library" tab in PS. If they are listed there but not under the "Installed" tab then you have a sync problem with the PS. Try force closing the PS, and then clear data and reboot. You can also check the sync status under Settings>>Accounts>>Google>>App Data. If things look normal there (synced recently), then under the 3 dot menu, REMOVE your account and reboot the phone. Add the account back and re-sync.
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ok that is just what they told me the last time i RMA and they updated it to 7.1.1
but the phone does not auto restore my apps it only installs the stock apps and under installed it just shows stock apps
under library ti says not installed on this device and then it lists all the apps i have on all my devices logged into that account but they are not categorized by device they are just all lumped in together
instead of being under headings of the device names
i can force close the play store but i can no longer find the clear cache or clear data option anymore ,all it has now is uninstall updates
where my phone booted and froze during restore and then factory data reset was performed again do you think it overwrote the last cloud backup where it had all my apps with the phone status after the factory data reset
where it was blank except for the stock apps, and would there be a way to restore from an earlier backup
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ok that is just what they told me the last time i RMA and they updated it to 7.1.1
but the phone does not auto restore my apps it only installs the stock apps and under installed it just shows stock apps
under library ti says not installed on this device and then it lists all the apps i have on all my devices logged into that account but they are not categorized by device they are just all lumped in together
instead of being under headings of the device names
i can force close the play store but i can no longer find the clear cache or clear data option anymore ,all it has now is uninstall updates
where my phone booted and froze during restore and then factory data reset was performed again do you think it overwrote the last cloud backup where it had all my apps with the phone status after the factory data reset
where it was blank except for the stock apps, and would there be a way to restore from an earlier backup
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They are all lumped together, because apps are by account, not by device.... so it appears they are still there. Under Settings>>Apps>>Google Play Store you will find "Force Stop" button and right below it "Storage". In Storage is where you Clear Data. No, you didn't overwrite or corrupt anything in the cloud. If it was there (your Apps and Settings) it is still there. You can see for yourself on your Drive Account. Log in, open the Backups folder and you will see a time stamp on your Apps and Settings as well as how many Apps are backed up. If these the ones you want and recent, then eventually your phone will sync and d/l them. If clearing PS data/reboot and removing your account/reboot/reinstate does not work you may need to do a fresh install. Especially since a factory reset did not work...... Not the factory reset in Android.... the wipe/factory reset in recovery mode. By fresh install I mean fully wipe the phone partitions and flash a full Google image using flash-all.bat. You have not mentioned Wi-Fi at all, so I'm assuming you have a bad ass Wi-Fi connection and it is working perfectly during the INITIAL SETUP and that is not a factor.
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They are all lumped together, because apps are by account, not by device.... so it appears they are still there. Under Settings>>Apps>>Google Play Store you will find "Force Stop" button and right below it "Storage". In Storage is where you Clear Data. No, you didn't overwrite or corrupt anything in the cloud. If it was there (your Apps and Settings) it is still there. You can see for yourself on your Drive Account. Log in, open the Backups folder and you will see a time stamp on your Apps and Settings as well as how many Apps are backed up. If these the ones you want and recent, then eventually your phone will sync and d/l them. If clearing PS data/reboot and removing your account/reboot/reinstate does not work you may need to do a fresh install. Especially since a factory reset did not work...... Not the factory reset in Android.... the wipe/factory reset in recovery mode. By fresh install I mean fully wipe the phone partitions and flash a full Google image using flash-all.bat. You have not mentioned Wi-Fi at all, so I'm assuming you have a bad ass Wi-Fi connection and it is working perfectly during the INITIAL SETUP and that is not a factor.
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i have no idea what you just said ,no idea how to do any of that ,this is a stock phone , there is no TWRP
how do you wipe and install and flash full google image
wifi is not an issue
yes i am aware apps are linked to the account but this is still retarded , it should put the apps under heading of which devices they were installed on when logged into that account ,now i got apps for 5 phones ago different carrier apps samsung app and all kinds of other **** ****ting up the list
if google had any god damn common sense they would at least include an option to list by device ,show you which apps you installed on which devices when you were signed into the account this is a really piss poor way of doing things , but then again so is everything google developers do
what makes it even worse is that there are apps in there that were not even installed by the account
but that were previously installed on other devices before you sign in like carrier apps and system apps and manufacturer apps all the preinstalled crapware so if you even sing in on a samsung device even for a minute it all gets sync to the list and there is not way to sort it, you can not filter by device
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They are all lumped together, because apps are by account, not by device.... so it appears they are still there. Under Settings>>Apps>>Google Play Store you will find "Force Stop" button and right below it "Storage". In Storage is where you Clear Data. No, you didn't overwrite or corrupt anything in the cloud. If it was there (your Apps and Settings) it is still there. You can see for yourself on your Drive Account. Log in, open the Backups folder and you will see a time stamp on your Apps and Settings as well as how many Apps are backed up. If these the ones you want and recent, then eventually your phone will sync and d/l them. If clearing PS data/reboot and removing your account/reboot/reinstate does not work you may need to do a fresh install. Especially since a factory reset did not work...... Not the factory reset in Android.... the wipe/factory reset in recovery mode. By fresh install I mean fully wipe the phone partitions and flash a full Google image using flash-all.bat. You have not mentioned Wi-Fi at all, so I'm assuming you have a bad ass Wi-Fi connection and it is working perfectly during the INITIAL SETUP and that is not a factor.
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no it shows nothing when i go to drive this is bull****
google sucks
i see a list of my devices and it says 6p , and all it says is last backup has the date i got the phone back and do the factory data reset again ,when i click on it it say 16 apps , but stock apps alone are 32 apps
when i do a factory data reset on the phone i see my device and when i click on it it has the same backup date but
it says 32 apps, when i click it on the phone i see a list of the apps but they are just all the stock apps, when i click the backup in google drive it does not show me a list of apps it just says 16 apps which makes no god damn sense at all
the number of apps do not even match in dive and on the phone, one says 32 the other says 16
i can't even get a list what the 16 apps are in drive, on the phone i get a list but it is just stock apps none of the apps i downloaded on the phone from the play store show up
this is ridiculously piss poor there should be a way to list all the backups in chronological that i can select from , select which one i want to restore from , it only lists the last sync which was after a factory data reset so there are no apps why is google so god damn fuking retarded? looks like it just constantly overwrites your backups and only has the last one it made,so if it fails to backup and you do a factory date reset you are screwed because the last backup will be of a black factory reset device and there is no way to go back and select other backups
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no it shows nothing when i go to drive this is bull****
google sucks
i see a list of my devices and it says 6p , and all it says is last backup has the date i got the phone back and do the factory data reset again ,when i click on it it say 16 apps , but stock apps alone are 32 apps
when i do a factory data reset on the phone i see my device and when i click on it it has the same backup date but
it says 32 apps, when i click it on the phone i see a list of the apps but they are just all the stock apps, when i click the backup in google drive it does not show me a list of apps it just says 16 apps which makes no god damn sense at all
the number of apps do not even match in dive and on the phone, one says 32 the other says 16
i can't even get a list what the 16 apps are in drive, on the phone i get a list but it is just stock apps none of the apps i downloaded on the phone from the play store show up
this is ridiculously piss poor there should be a way to list all the backups in chronological that i can select from , select which one i want to restore from , it only lists the last sync which was after a factory data reset so there are no apps why is google so god damn fuking retarded? looks like it just constantly overwrites your backups and only has the last one it made,so if it fails to backup and you do a factory date reset you are screwed because the last backup will be of a black factory reset device and there is no way to go back and select other backups
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In the time it took to write this long Google rant, you could have downloaded ALL the apps you had on the first phone and be half way through setting them up. I have to say Google backup and restore works pretty well for stock apps and data, and for the additional 20 odd non-market apps I use Titanium Backup. From a fully wiped phone anyone can install the OS and all their personal apps including all shortcuts and widgets in about 45 minutes, so I don't know what you are on about for two days now. If app data is that important to you, then invest in Titanium Backup or Flashfire and rely on yourself for backups.
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In the time it took to write this long Google rant, you could have downloaded ALL the apps you had on the first phone and be half way through setting them up. I have to say Google backup and restore works pretty well for stock apps and data, and for the additional 20 odd non-market apps I use Titanium Backup. From a fully wiped phone anyone can install the OS and all their personal apps including all shortcuts and widgets in about 45 minutes, so I don't know what you are on about for two days now. If app data is that important to you, then invest in Titanium Backup or Flashfire and rely on yourself for backups.
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i can't use titanium backup because this is a stock device with major battery issues that has already been sent for warranty 3 times and been given back to me in the same condition with the same issues,early shut down and ridiculous battery drain
i can't root the device because it will void my apparently utterly useless warranty and i'm not sure i want to even do anything to this device now because it has so many issues with boot loops and early shut downs which i am already having since i got it so why would i want to complicate things and take more risks with it by adding root or custom roms when the damn thing don't even work to begin with, nobody can give a definite answer as to why these issues happen so i would rather wait till someone gets to the bottom of it which will probably be never
backup and restore should be simple and straight forward and reliable
it should show you a list of apps in both drive and on the device that you can restore from
not just list one latest one , this is not rocket science it should be part of the most basic functionality of the OS
and it is a mess there is really no excuse for this at all
i bought this thinking i could root flash custom roms and xposed but now i am scared to even power it on
i been waiting for 10 months now to get a device i know is not already fukt and can get over 1.5 hours SOT ,so i could start from a device i know had no known issues ,during this time N gets released and all these issues crop up and huawei and google refuse to
do anything for 10 months except waste my time making me send my phone 3 times only to return it without doing anything to it
and every time i send it in ,3 times now i have this issue and now they send me another label to send it back but will not guarantee i will be sent a replacement i do not have time to be setting up the hone every single week again and again every time i RMA it
this whole thing is ridiculous this post was least of the wasting of my time i can assure you of that
yeah i could have tried to do it manually but i do not remember what every app and setting had was from a phone i have not used in 2 weeks
Well hopefully the 3rd time is a charm and they actually replaced your battery, which likely is the only thing wrong with the phone. Based on the two main reasons you cited for RMA (early shutdown and poor battery life) you should focus on checking the current battery you have and compare the current capacity your battery has against a new 3,450 mAh battery. If your battery is <85% estimated capacity then the battery is degraded and needs to be replaced. It may be worth your time (and sanity) to just buy a battery and have it replaced at a local repair shop. The battery itself sells for under $20. In a perfect world Google should apologize to you and send you a totally new phone, but after 3 RMA attempts that is not going to happen. In reading the many 6P battery threads here on XDA you will find replacement batteries have completely solved the issues 99% of the time. 4.5-5 hours SOT is pretty standard on a 6P with a healthy battery. As for rooting? Well it is undisputed that even on a stock ROM, a custom kernel like EX Kernel or Franco's even on default settings will provide a significant improvement in battery life, with the added bonus of being able to install root apps like Titanium backup. My advice would be to check the battery and if it tests bad, provide this data to Huawei/Google. If they don't explicitly offer to change the battery, then hang up and just order one yourself and have it installed locally.
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Well hopefully the 3rd time is a charm and they actually replaced your battery, which likely is the only thing wrong with the phone. Based on the two main reasons you cited for RMA (early shutdown and poor battery life) you should focus on checking the current battery you have and compare the current capacity your battery has against a new 3,450 mAh battery. If your battery is <85% estimated capacity then the battery is degraded and needs to be replaced. It may be worth your time (and sanity) to just buy a battery and have it replaced at a local repair shop. The battery itself sells for under $20. In a perfect world Google should apologize to you and send you a totally new phone, but after 3 RMA attempts that is not going to happen. In reading the many 6P battery threads here on XDA you will find replacement batteries have completely solved the issues 99% of the time. 4.5-5 hours SOT is pretty standard on a 6P with a healthy battery. As for rooting? Well it is undisputed that even on a stock ROM, a custom kernel like EX Kernel or Franco's even on default settings will provide a significant improvement in battery life, with the added bonus of being able to install root apps like Titanium backup. My advice would be to check the battery and if it tests bad, provide this data to Huawei/Google. If they don't explicitly offer to change the battery, then hang up and just order one yourself and have it installed locally.
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probably will be expensive to get installed $20 is cheap but it will probably cost $200 to put in, i hear this device is not easy to open at all
it probably was the battery it had severe battery drain before when i sent it in on MM, but now it has early shut down on top of it since they updated it to 7.1.1 and now to 7.1.2
they made it worse plus it has a big chip on the back bezel and a little chip
I about to redo my phone completely and I still own Titanium Backup Pro, is that still the best way to backup everything or can I simply backups my files (photos, videos, PDF's etc...) and use Google's basic restore apps when I reboot my phone from stock?
I know TB is great but last time I used it, I felt there were some bugs and it couldnt restore some apps which was disturbing. Then in the end, I have no idea what is actually did and did not restore, a real PITA.
It also took forever and felt like it got stuck in some parts.
Are there any downsides to using Google apps restore feature? Not sure if that will also maintain all my game/app data.
I also read some good things about TunesGo Android Backup.
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I about to redo my phone completely and I still own Titanium Backup Pro, is that still the best way to backup everything or can I simply backups my files (photos, videos, PDF's etc...) and use Google's basic restore apps when I reboot my phone from stock?
I know TB is great but last time I used it, I felt there were some bugs and it couldnt restore some apps which was disturbing. Then in the end, I have no idea what is actually did and did not restore, a real PITA.
It also took forever and felt like it got stuck in some parts.
Are there any downsides to using Google apps restore feature? Not sure if that will also maintain all my game/app data.
I also read some good things about TunesGo Android Backup.
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The Google apps restore has improved significantly since MM. I do keep TWRP Nandroid backups offline, but have not used them in ages. I use Google apps restore for all of my Play Store and System apps, and TiBu for the "non market" stuff... maybe ~30 apps? I zip the TiBu folder into a single file (Solid Explorer) and move it offline. When upgrading from 6-7 or 7-8, I just completely wipe the phone, flash a full image, let Google Play restore from the cloud. Then extract and use TiBu zip to restore the remaining apps. Icing is a Nova launcher backup to restore all the shortcuts and widgets, and my setup is 99% there in under one hour from a complete blank slate. I've also been experimenting with FlashFire to make ADB backups offline. Very slick backup tool, in addition to it's primary use of flashing monthly security updates. I have not yet restored a FF backup via ADB yet... I just keep one recent backup as a precaution. As for your other thread on rooting- I only see the upside. I don't see any downside. Android Pay not working irritates many, but I will never use that so not a concern. Why buy a Nexus if you're not going to unlock and root?
v12xke said:
The Google apps restore has improved significantly since MM. I do keep TWRP Nandroid backups offline, but have not used them in ages. I use Google apps restore for all of my Play Store and System apps, and TiBu for the "non market" stuff... maybe ~30 apps? I zip the TiBu folder into a single file (Solid Explorer) and move it offline. When upgrading from 6-7 or 7-8, I just completely wipe the phone, flash a full image, let Google Play restore from the cloud. Then extract and use TiBu zip to restore the remaining apps. Icing is a Nova launcher backup to restore all the shortcuts and widgets, and my setup is 99% there in under one hour from a complete blank slate. I've also been experimenting with FlashFire to make ADB backups offline. Very slick backup tool, in addition to it's primary use of flashing monthly security updates. I have not yet restored a FF backup via ADB yet... I just keep one recent backup as a precaution. As for your other thread on rooting- I only see the upside. I don't see any downside. Android Pay not working irritates many, but I will never use that so not a concern. Why buy a Nexus if you're not going to unlock and root?
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Awesome reply, exactly what I was looking for thanks!
So u gave a lot of info and I just want to summarize what I should do to redo my phone as cleanly and quickly as possible, but first can you tell me how you personally differentiate the non-market stuff for TiB? Meaning I have like 200 total apps, so just trying to plan a process here.
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Awesome reply, exactly what I was looking for thanks! So u gave a lot of info and I just want to summarize what I should do to redo my phone as cleanly and quickly as possible, but first can you tell me how you personally differentiate the non-market stuff for TiB? Meaning I have like 200 total apps, so just trying to plan a process here.
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Lots of tutorials out there on how to properly wipe and install a fresh stock image onto a blank phone. Probably the best example can be found on the Google webpage where you download the full image. I use Google restore for all system apps plus the apps I have paid for at the Google Play Store. I use TiBu only for those apps from elsewhere that are not backed up or restored by Google restore. It's made easy by TiBu because after Google restore is 100% complete restoring everything it possibly can, I fire up TiBu and use the "Restore Missing Apps" option.
Can't wait to see the day where all the apps (Gapps too) stop asking things you already seen or chosen when you do a factory reset or change your phone.
Android Backup and Restore has improved a lot, but still has a long road to go. Probably in the future, you just change the Phone and everything, not just some things, are restored. All the little checkbox you ticked in each of the apps. (With "Settings" app, this is happening a bit at the moment, some settings are restored).
Examples: "Dark theme enabled in Tapatalk" / "Use" or "Background activity disabled for Facebook Messenger lite".
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Can't wait to see the day where all the apps (Gapps too) stop asking things you already seen or chosen when you do a factory reset or change your phone.
Android Backup and Restore has improved a lot, but still has a long road to go. Probably in the future, you just change the Phone and everything, not just some things, are restored. All the little checkbox you ticked in each of the apps. (With "Settings" app, this is happening a bit at the moment, some settings are restored).
Examples: "Dark theme enabled in Tapatalk" / "Use" or "Background activity disabled for Facebook Messenger lite".
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You mean like with a full Nandroid backup? :laugh:
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You mean like with a full Nandroid backup? [emoji23]
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No that's different... that's a copy of everything in the phone. I'm talking about Android backup and restore.
So you don't need to start configuring alarms, app and everything after you upgrade your phone.
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Lots of tutorials out there on how to properly wipe and install a fresh stock image onto a blank phone. Probably the best example can be found on the Google webpage where you download the full image. I use Google restore for all system apps plus the apps I have paid for at the Google Play Store. I use TiBu only for those apps from elsewhere that are not backed up or restored by Google restore. It's made easy by TiBu because after Google restore is 100% complete restoring everything it possibly can, I fire up TiBu and use the "Restore Missing Apps" option.
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Ahhhhhhhh perfect, I didnt see that "Restore Missing Apps" last time I did this but that was a looooooooooong time ago... I was just nervous about using TiB again bec last time it kept freezing and it was an exhaustive process and basically I just gave up, pissed me off on a paid app.
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Can't wait to see the day where all the apps (Gapps too) stop asking things you already seen or chosen when you do a factory reset or change your phone.
Android Backup and Restore has improved a lot, but still has a long road to go. Probably in the future, you just change the Phone and everything, not just some things, are restored. All the little checkbox you ticked in each of the apps. (With "Settings" app, this is happening a bit at the moment, some settings are restored).
Examples: "Dark theme enabled in Tapatalk" / "Use" or "Background activity disabled for Facebook Messenger lite".
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Ya seems like every app saves differently so thats why I laugh when people are like, whats the big deal, just redo your phone and only takes an hour.... um no. Maybe if you dont do much and use your phone to check email, calls, and texts and a couple of games but for me its an exhaustive process bec even after you think you restored, there are always some things in the subsequent weeks u find that wasnt restored, missing, or settings are all screwed up. Not a life breaker, but ya, someday maybe they will universally code settings the same way so a backup program can do something like what imaging does in Windows, although Android has many more roms and providers to deal with so u may need some additional steps anyways.
Yes it's a lot of work. For me is never an hour. It's like 3 hours after the android welcome assistant and then several days till I open app by app and setup the settings for each one of them.
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Yes it's a lot of work. For me is never an hour. It's like 3 hours after the android welcome assistant and then several days till I open app by app and setup the settings for each one of them.
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Yea that sounds much more realistic... some people try to oversimplify and think they are doing it in an hour but not.... or they just cant tell time.
I still use TiBi pro for backing app all of my apps. It's just quicker in my opinion. Immediately after flashing new images or roms, I just go into batch actions of TiBu and restore all missing apps with data. Takes about ten minutes and all my apps and data are restored.
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Yea that sounds much more realistic... some people try to oversimplify and think they are doing it in an hour but not.... or they just cant tell time.
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And I have to add that recently I'm just not rooting anymore...
Currently I have the 6P with open bootloader but just because by bank doesn't support android pay and I don't want to go through this android restore slow process.
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I still use TiBi pro for backing app all of my apps. It's just quicker in my opinion. Immediately after flashing new images or roms, I just go into batch actions of TiBu and restore all missing apps with data. Takes about ten minutes and all my apps and data are restored.
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You never had it freeze or not restore something properly? That is the one I am most worried about, its a highly frustrating process when an "automated restore" just doesnt finish the job after waiting over an hour, which is what happened last time I used it for my Galaxy S4, tried 3 times too, so I ditched it and used Google restore and dealt with all the settings after manually.
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You never had it freeze or not restore something properly? That is the one I am most worried about, its a highly frustrating process when an "automated restore" just doesnt finish the job after waiting over an hour, which is what happened last time I used it for my Galaxy S4, tried 3 times too, so I ditched it and used Google restore and dealt with all the settings after manually.
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No sir. I've been running TiBu pro on my Nexus 6p since launch. I've flashed almost every factory image/security update after completing a full wipe before each flash, thus removing all of my apps and data along with it. TiBu pulled through every time. I also make sure to do a batch "redo" of all my backups prior to wiping/flashing the device so this way all my apps data are up to date when I restore them. I'd be lost with TiBu!