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my phone with almost everything killed has only 15-20MB of free RAM, and if i use the built in apps2sd it starts to lag to the point where it's pretty much unusable while the ram use maxes out to 100%, and this is without any google apps installed, so it's not looking very good,
any similar experiences?
the dd2.8 on my phone had about 50MB of free RAM, and it lagged very little...
nobloat said:
my phone with almost everything killed has only 15-20MB of free RAM, and if i use the built in apps2sd it starts to lag to the point where it's pretty much unusable while the ram use maxes out to 100%, and this is without any google apps installed, so it's not looking very good,
any similar experiences?
the dd2.8 on my phone had about 50MB of free RAM, and it lagged very little...
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apps2sd is good for disk space but I imagine it would be bad for memory. I myself never use it. But I can atest to a leak (imo) from awd launcher. It would consume alot of memory and it would be more and more the longer the phone went between reboots. When I switched to launcher pro it stopped and it seemed lpp used less memory and did not seem to leak memory.
I would recommend fast reboot. It's on the market for free, but the pro version allows you to exclude applications to kill. It's really good. It also has a widget.
i updated to a nightly and installed the darktremor app2sd, there is still very little ram free but the phone runs much smoother,
how much of free ram do you have when you kill all task? just wondering because im running like 6 widgets and i get like around 165mb ram when i kill all task. and 224mb when i restart phone.
176 killing all tasks.i used to have the my toch slide and klling all apps i used to get 299 -324
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I get about 185 on virtuous. People complain about sense being a mem hog, but coming from a G1, struggling to keep 20 mb free, even having 100 mb free seems pretty luxurious.
MIUI let me have about 230 mb free at any time, but if I ignored the numbers, I actually didn't really notice any difference in performance. In fact, my average mflops and quadrant scores were still better in virtuous running the same setCPU profiles. I know that's kind of a kernel thing, but still, just goes to show that virtuous is no slouch, even if it uses a lot more memory.
Just my personal experience.
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I have 233mb free running CM7 Build #11. I haven't killed all tasks though, just running as normal.
Just as a reminder, free ram is wasted ram on any unix based OS.
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Just as a reminder, free ram is wasted ram on any unix based OS.
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really good point.
when running normal apps (messaging, internet, settings, random ish) I have ~100, if i kill everything i get 175, but that actually doesnt help performance, because next time i open messaging, it takes a few seconds to load back up because it isn't in RAM.
I'm running virtuous and OC'd to 1.49 and it runs perfectly smooth with 100mb free. I can even keep a game like angry birds running in the background without it affecting system performance at all.
on phones that only have 20-30mb free, opening something new can cause slowdowns, but for my G2, there's no need at all to force close things that are sitting nicely in the background.
FPS is much higher on froyo. DNA is 56 FPS and locked. If I OC gingerbread 1.550 mhz its same FPS as froyo JSD or JS8.
Even it lags on 1550 mhz compared to 1000 mhz froyo. (dungeon defenders)
Did you feel it? Try dungeon defenders the most heavy game. Look how smooth it is.
Ram management an some other small factors
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Ram management an some other small factors
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I want to kill that small factors. And want to play this game smooth as froyo. What are them?
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I want to kill that small factors. And want to play this game smooth as froyo. What are them?
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Did u try "Chainfire3D" ?
I'm not sure will help or not.
but I'm sure other kernels and OC will help.
I realise benchmarks are synthetic...but my semaphore Quadrant scores kill all else. I'd imagine gaming to be better too?
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Did u try "Chainfire3D" ?
I'm not sure will help or not.
but I'm sure other kernels and OC will help.
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Everything helps but not much.
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I realise benchmarks are synthetic...but my semaphore Quadrant scores kill all else. I'd imagine gaming to be better too?
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Give up quadrant. only important thing on quadrant is FPS. Say me how much is your DNA FPS?
I think it's the amount of RAM. shadowgun is smooth on gingerbread if there are only a few enemies but once at higher levels, lots of lag...
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Just for gaming? hmm maybe, but for all other stuff, forget about froyo.
interesting....
When you say GB, do you mean the GB custom rom from Insanity? I once did some testing with Darky's GB rom and found the same thing. Ficeto's GB rom (which is essentially stock deodexed GB rom) performs much better than Darky's GB rom even though they are both based on the same stock rom.
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When you say GB, do you mean the GB custom rom from Insanity? I once did some testing with Darky's GB rom and found the same thing. Ficeto's GB rom (which is essentially stock deodexed GB rom) performs much better than Darky's GB rom even though they are both based on the same stock rom.
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No I talking about sammy. Darkcore kernel just sucks.
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Just for gaming? hmm maybe, but for all other stuff, forget about froyo.
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Totaly untrue. I still run froyo. With speedmod kernel it runs smoother and everything works including bln, great audio with voodoo sound and great battery life.. 2 days or so
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Totaly untrue. I still run froyo. With speedmod kernel it runs smoother and everything works including bln, great audio with voodoo sound and great battery life.. 2 days or so
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Is there any voodoo color kernel for froyo?
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Is there any voodoo color kernel for froyo?
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Yeah theres the original voodoo kernel by supercurio.
But he's right, I've tried alot of GB roms including stocks but eventually went back to Froyo 2.2.1 JS8 with the Speedmod kernel.
Really speedy, battery life as good as GB and no weird crashes and the touchwiz launcher doesnt act weird like needing to load all my shortcuts again after exiting an app.
Also all apps work smooth.
Currently have 120 apps installed.
Try some itnd tweaks they help a lot try loopy smoothness and acid tweaks
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Games are smoother on Froyo because of both free ram and ram management.
Froyo 2.2.1 has around 180mb on boot and 120+ mb after prolonged usage. Gingerbread 2.3.4 and 2.3.5 has 140mb on boot and less than 100mb after a day's usage. The kernel closes apps and background processes when ram is below a certain level. So, when playing a game, say Shadowgun, when a new enemy appears or when there are lots of bullets flying, the ram consumption of the game goes up. So, free ram drops. The cpu has to close some background processes to free up ram. Later, when there are fewer enemies and bullets on-screen, the ram consumption drops. The cpu then restarts those background processes. The constant opening and closing of these processes forces the phone to handle both the game and the processes simultaneously, hence causing the lag.
On Froyo, the free ram is higher, so playing is game is less likely to cause you to drop below the threshold ram level. At the same time, ram management is different on froyo, in the sense that once those background processes are closed, they remain closed until they are actually needed. But on Gingerbread, those background processes are reopened as soon as possible, even if they're not needed. Hence, the lag in Froyo games, if any, only happens when you first start the game or level, and then the game is smooth for the rest of the game, while on Gingerbread, the lag is persistent throughout.
If you've used the beta ICS roms, you'll find that games are smoother than on Gingerbread despite low free ram because the ram management on ICS is more similar to Froyo in the sense that background processes are only restarted when needed.
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Games are smoother on Froyo because of both free ram and ram management.
Froyo 2.2.1 has around 180mb on boot and 120+ mb after prolonged usage. Gingerbread 2.3.4 and 2.3.5 has 140mb on boot and less than 100mb after a day's usage. The kernel closes apps and background processes when ram is below a certain level. So, when playing a game, say Shadowgun, when a new enemy appears or when there are lots of bullets flying, the ram consumption of the game goes up. So, free ram drops. The cpu has to close some background processes to free up ram. Later, when there are fewer enemies and bullets on-screen, the ram consumption drops. The cpu then restarts those background processes. The constant opening and closing of these processes forces the phone to handle both the game and the processes simultaneously, hence causing the lag.
On Froyo, the free ram is higher, so playing is game is less likely to cause you to drop below the threshold ram level. At the same time, ram management is different on froyo, in the sense that once those background processes are closed, they remain closed until they are actually needed. But on Gingerbread, those background processes are reopened as soon as possible, even if they're not needed. Hence, the lag in Froyo games, if any, only happens when you first start the game or level, and then the game is smooth for the rest of the game, while on Gingerbread, the lag is persistent throughout.
If you've used the beta ICS roms, you'll find that games are smoother than on Gingerbread despite low free ram because the ram management on ICS is more similar to Froyo in the sense that background processes are only restarted when needed.
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Thank you brother
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Games are smoother on Froyo because of both free ram and ram management.
Froyo 2.2.1 has around 180mb on boot and 120+ mb after prolonged usage. Gingerbread 2.3.4 and 2.3.5 has 140mb on boot and less than 100mb after a day's usage. The kernel closes apps and background processes when ram is below a certain level. So, when playing a game, say Shadowgun, when a new enemy appears or when there are lots of bullets flying, the ram consumption of the game goes up. So, free ram drops. The cpu has to close some background processes to free up ram. Later, when there are fewer enemies and bullets on-screen, the ram consumption drops. The cpu then restarts those background processes. The constant opening and closing of these processes forces the phone to handle both the game and the processes simultaneously, hence causing the lag.
On Froyo, the free ram is higher, so playing is game is less likely to cause you to drop below the threshold ram level. At the same time, ram management is different on froyo, in the sense that once those background processes are closed, they remain closed until they are actually needed. But on Gingerbread, those background processes are reopened as soon as possible, even if they're not needed. Hence, the lag in Froyo games, if any, only happens when you first start the game or level, and then the game is smooth for the rest of the game, while on Gingerbread, the lag is persistent throughout.
If you've used the beta ICS roms, you'll find that games are smoother than on Gingerbread despite low free ram because the ram management on ICS is more similar to Froyo in the sense that background processes are only restarted when needed.
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This is exactly what I have found as well. Froyo EZBase rom (used to downgrade then upgrade to custom roms frequently) played half the games I loved so much faster, I even started keeping it fr days in between upgrading to custom roms... But ever since moving to onecosmic BETA 1 ICS... games have been just as fast if not faster...
This is true. And its sad .. Im starting to feel like my SGS is already outdated. Im running CM7 and most -if not all- 3D games cause some lag. Wind-up Knight , Riptide,Shine Runner, Asphalt , even fruit ninja -.- .
I dont remember facing these lag issues back when I had Froyo running. I am seriously considering going back to Froyo.
Anyway, can someone please confirm that games run smoother on ICS ?
Hi,
I looked at my free ram and on daily use I have 1 GB of free ram.
So is there any sens to use ram manger to allow android use more ram (mean to not kill app and has less free ram)?
Unused RAM is wasted RAM (just before anyone else says it )
I have 1.3GB of RAM free on my N4. I wouldn't recommend a 3rd-party RAM manager, and just trust Android to handle it
Unrelated, but I have some weird memory leak issue on my N10 that basically causes all RAM to be taken up by something eventually, and all apps end up Restarting. Quite annoying, but the only thing I can do in this situation is reboot the tablet. Can't say I've seen or heard of this on the N4.
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Unused RAM is wasted RAM (just before anyone else says it )
I have 1.3GB of RAM free on my N4. I wouldn't recommend a 3rd-party RAM manager, and just trust Android to handle it
Unrelated, but I have some weird memory leak issue on my N10 that basically causes all RAM to be taken up by something eventually, and all apps end up Restarting. Quite annoying, but the only thing I can do in this situation is reboot the tablet. Can't say I've seen or heard of this on the N4.
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i cant say i like the way android does it, even though it does do it. i use greenify, and autostarts to prevent apps from starting in the background. also, i change the numbers to androids ram management. now im happy
But greenify make some apps start slower, yes? (because they have to start again)
How you change the number of free ram?
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But greenify make some apps start slower, yes? (because they have to start again)
How you change the number of free ram?
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ive never noticed that its slowed.
atomic339 said:
But greenify make some apps start slower, yes? (because they have to start again)
How you change the number of free ram?
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If you have widgets on your lock screen or on your home screen they will use up ram. Uninstall any apps you rarely use to free up ram.
Don't see why you're worried. You have as much FREE ram as an s3 does on the box
On a more serious note, I doubt you'll see any difference by freeing up ram. 500-600 mb of free ram = smooth experience generally
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I'm no expert, but what I've read on these forums, it's best to just let Android take care of it. Android has come pretty far with memory management, and third-party apps might just end up taking more RAM/battery.
You're wasting your time worrying about it.
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I'm no expert, but what I've read on these forums, it's best to just let Android take care of it. Android has come pretty far with memory management, and third-party apps might just end up taking more RAM/battery.
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This is true, forget about ram manager and dont be paranoid about the free/used ram amout
Thanks for help, I will not use any ram manager etc.
Hi everyone. I have noticed that I don't have more than 1gb of free ram even if I close all the apps. And if I open my browser, it eats 500mb of ram. My phone became slower after few days of use, I notice constant lags. I have put most apps to sleep, and disabled some packages. But still very low on ram. Any advice please?
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Hi everyone. I have noticed that I don't have more than 1gb of free ram even if I close all the apps. And if I open my browser, it eats 500mb of ram. My phone became slower after few days of use, I notice constant lags. I have put most apps to sleep, and disabled some packages. But still very low on ram. Any advice please?
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It is normal that your phone uses ram although 1 gb available is a bit low. Maybe factory reset the phone? If that doesn't work I would go back to where you got it from or contact samsung support
I checked and I have about 1.5 available after closing all apps and optimisation
I typically have 500-700 free on mine and experience no lag. Unix based OSes are supposed to occupy memory in order to launch things faster.
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Yeah don't worry it's normal !
Some OS almost use 100% of RAM, but keep providing a perfect multitasking.
It doesn't mean that you will only have 700-900 Mo available for your multitasking, your OS will free RAM if necessary and let it to the apps. And even with 10 open apps in window mode, you will still have 700 Mo of RAM available
Thanks everyone. I have 1-1.2gb free with no active apps and now i see it's ok. Phone becomes a little slower when there are many apps open, but I believe it's also ok, nothing critical.
Why do people care how much RAM is free? I don't worry about it on my phone or laptops. I just let the devices do what they do best -- entertain me
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Why do people care how much RAM is free? I don't worry about it on my phone or laptops. I just let the devices do what they do best -- entertain me
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I noticed lags and then saw that I have low free ram. On my previous leeco le max 2 I've had 1.8-2 gb free. So i thought maybe i do something wrong and more free ram will make phone faster. But looks like everything's fine.
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Hi everyone. I have noticed that I don't have more than 1gb of free ram even if I close all the apps. And if I open my browser, it eats 500mb of ram. My phone became slower after few days of use, I notice constant lags. I have put most apps to sleep, and disabled some packages. But still very low on ram. Any advice please?
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In Android unused Ram is wasted Ram. You normally want to have about 500 free. If you're noticing that every time you open an app again it has to reload then yes it's an issue.
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Hi; if you want more free ram you can reduse background process in setting/developer option
if you set background process on 2 system will process only two apps.
if your phone is slow when ram is full you can use ram booster.
Force close it! and greenify (need root) are the best ram booster.
Just uninstall applicatiions that you dont use or disable them. Pretty simple
yes more ram usage is not more battery drain, and device lag if there is no more ram or not enough available but its like if you only fill 1/4 of your fridge , your fridge won't consume more power if you put more stuff on it and it become only a problem if you want to put a big thing on it but its already full , so its only now that its useful so empty a bit the fridge to make space , but empty your fridge to put nothing on it is useless, you know what I mean?