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BlueStacks brings 400,000 Android apps to Windows 8

BlueStracks is gonna bring all android apps to Windows 8. This is very exciting news. I would buy a Windows 8 tablet if the apps works as good as they work on Android.
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Installed the beta on my Lenovo touchscreen netbook. I installed google maps and it runs well but it won't recognize the Bluetooth GPS receiver so won't navigate hoping when they release the pro version this feature will work
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I'll be excited to see how this goes. Android app library + Metro UI= YES PLEASE

This kind of hackability is gonna make x86 Windows on a tablet *the* best choice for power users in the coming years...

Bluestack is nothing new, nothing fancy and nothing impressible. It is way slow (even for a i7) and it uses a lot of resources. They promised that they will fix those bugs but apparently the only work that they do was to make it a "windows 8 exclusive". meh.

who wants to use ugly ****ty phone apps on windows 8?

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who wants to use ugly ****ty phone apps on windows 8?
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Ha.... Considering windows 8 aps are meant to work across multiple devices I would assume a lot of people want it. WP7 apps will work on win 8 pcs and Xbox 360's and vise versa
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Aaron McCarthy said:
Considering windows 8 aps are meant to work across multiple devices I would assume a lot of people want it.
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As long as you are using the WinRT Just another way to lock down things

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As long as you are using the WinRT Just another way to lock down things
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Android does this as well more or less you just won't find anyone using android as the OS on their PC. So here's where MS has a leg up. I'd more say it's a smart way of doing business... What company wouldn't want to make just ONE app that'll work across different types of devices
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hey... i test drove bluestacks oover thanksgiving and had a code and allthat and ran every app i had over the course of two hours then forgot aboout it.
now i cant seem to get a code... im signed up for the beta and all that but wheres the code?
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Now we've just got to successfully emulate Windows 7/8 and iOS on Android. iEmu would've been great but thats discontinued now

Yeah I love BlueStacks, it's really well made. Can't wait for the beta to come out

Just saw that beta got released. Anyone know what information they access to provide this? Google search listed terms and privacy links for their official website but clicking them just brought me to their homepage to download the application. Just wanted to do some reading before I try it out
Edit: site is overloaded which is why some parts such as privacy and terms pages are not accessible. Got the information that they'll be replaced with light versions for now. Also if anyone's interested as to how they work out what apps are on your device, they just pull the installed application list from your device. They don't look at or connect through the Google account to get the list from the Google play store. Not trying to be awkward, I was just enquiring what privacy or information I have to give up in order to use this beta service (which is free to use, so I was just looking for a catch) and how they access information. Seems okay to me now .
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Yup, just saw this news this morning and i was pretty excited to try angry birds and angry birds space on my PC!!!!! I like the fact that most apps work not just the games and entertainment ones. Hopefully soon the WP8 merges with windows 8 and then we have one Marketplace for all devices

I'm definitely going to have to install Windows 8 on the MBP through VMware and then try this application out. Talk about super cool!

I dont think that bluestacks will support ALL android Apps, for example, is hard to give support to 3d games or AR apps...

bluestacks is slow and clunky.
tested on series7 samsung slate.

I'd totally get a Windows tablet if it could run all the Android apps as well as W8, with that and a keyboard dock I could replace my current Android tab & laptop.

now this is cool

What is blue stack???
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Windows 8 possible?

Is it possible to install Windows 8 (and Android for dualboot) on de tab 7.7?

why to downdgrade the best mobil OS to absolutely limited and not so much supported OS?

I want to do things i can not do in Android. Is it possible to install Windows 7/8 ?

No directly, since 16GB internal storage might not be enough for the OS, besides the arm version of windows is not out yet, in the future perhaps someone will try to port it to the tab 7.7, but I wouldn't count on it.

It's doubtful that Microsoft will sell open copies of the ARM version. Bundling with licensed new devices is what I read. Samsung loves to release tablets, so there will most likely be a Windows 8 Galaxy at some point. Just don't count on being able to install it on your 7.7.

maysider said:
why to downdgrade the best mobil OS to absolutely limited and not so much supported OS?
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i would love to boot windows when wanted,android is cute but windows is a real os and it would be great to have truly everything in 1 device.

Windows ARM Edition will not support x86 Apps so no use in Flashing that

manny1983nyc said:
i would love to boot windows when wanted,android is cute but windows is a real os and it would be great to have truly everything in 1 device.
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Use a vpn, remote desktop tool, or something like Onlive. Depending on your needs of course. What do you want to do on Windows on a 7.7"screen that you can't do on Android? I'm curious.
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Play pc games with a wireless remote or root peoples phones or add files to them or have a real browser that is much faster and not glitchy at all.Using a android remote desktop app is cool 2 but not as solid.

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Play pc games with a wireless remote or root peoples phones or add files to them or have a real browser that is much faster and not glitchy at all.Using a android remote desktop app is cool 2 but not as solid.
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Not to prejudge Microsoft, but I would not at all be surprised if the ARM version of Windows 8 has the same kinds of issues as Android does. It won't have the flexibility of x86/64 versions of Windows.

hopefully it does

manny1983nyc said:
Play pc games with a wireless remote or root peoples phones or add files to them or have a real browser that is much faster and not glitchy at all.Using a android remote desktop app is cool 2 but not as solid.
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Again, the windows ARM version will not support the existing x86 infrastructure
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hopefully it does
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No you have to understand that ARM and x86 are a lot different and apps need to be either ported (a lot of work) or emulated (which would result in bad performance)
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isn't it really possible to install windows 8 in this tab? since ics is highly unlikely and hc is just ^**&^%$#@&@()#&)@(&#:|

windows on ARM is a nonsense: no apps, many baby issues, closed platform, no HW support, ...
is there any reason to use W8 on ARM?? please, tell me

It could me more fluid and responsive than hc now. It may nit be guaranteed but its worth a try.
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so buy a device with ICS if is a fluidness and a responsiveness more important to you

this is also a somewhat pricey tablet. what do you expect me to do with this? i can't just buy a tab when ever i want. i have budget constrains too.

Wow so much bad information, I had to stop reading on the second page.
Lets clarify some things and I will answer some fo the questions that were .....
.... missleading.
1) Windows RT (aka ARM version) will not be opensource, this is true. But this is not to say that it will be "closed hardware" Lets be very realistic for a moment. Hows that Open Source ICS working out for ya?
.... well ?
2) Windows RT will not run 2 things directly: a) unmanaged x86 code ... i mean DUH!! b)unmanaged code for ARM without it being "rooted"
This will take a bit of explaining ...
W8RT is somewhat interesting in how it works. think of managed code as JAVA (that doesn't suck balls) and unmanaged code as C... or Objective C for you poor iphone coders. While unmanaged code requires recompiling for every Instruction set, managed code does not.
What does this mean? Simple ... most apps that work on your WM phone will work on a tablet. That being said .... many will not present well.
3) So will windows ever be ported to the a tablet .... yeah its pretty likely ....
just not the Tab 7.7 .... and I somehow doubt it ever will be because ... well ... why would they do that.
4) but i want to play MW3 on my tablet, why can't I?
because god said use your damn xbox360. Seriously .... if you havn't figured out why that is not going to work ... then that is the best answer i can give you.
5) why would anyone want Windows 8 RT?
Have you used it? Dude seriously, it is the holy f*cking grail of mobile computing. This kit is so nice if will cure cancer. I will end global warming ... errr "climate change" and bring your family back from the dead.
Ok so it won't being them back from the dead, but seriously its a pretty massive leap in usability and compute ergonomics. Oh and its slick as ice.
I mean if we are messuring the viability of an OS .... who the **** would use a unix based hot mess with a **** frontend that is so bad that everyone and thier brother tried to rewrite it.

phigmeta said:
Wow so much bad information, I had to stop reading on the second page.
Lets clarify some things and I will answer some fo the questions that were .....
.... missleading.
1) Windows RT (aka ARM version) will not be opensource, this is true. But this is not to say that it will be "closed hardware" Lets be very realistic for a moment. Hows that Open Source ICS working out for ya?
.... well ?
2) Windows RT will not run 2 things directly: a) unmanaged x86 code ... i mean DUH!! b)unmanaged code for ARM without it being "rooted"
This will take a bit of explaining ...
W8RT is somewhat interesting in how it works. think of managed code as JAVA (that doesn't suck balls) and unmanaged code as C... or Objective C for you poor iphone coders. While unmanaged code requires recompiling for every Instruction set, managed code does not.
What does this mean? Simple ... most apps that work on your WM phone will work on a tablet. That being said .... many will not present well.
3) So will windows ever be ported to the a tablet .... yeah its pretty likely ....
just not the Tab 7.7 .... and I somehow doubt it ever will be because ... well ... why would they do that.
4) but i want to play MW3 on my tablet, why can't I?
because god said use your damn xbox360. Seriously .... if you havn't figured out why that is not going to work ... then that is the best answer i can give you.
5) why would anyone want Windows 8 RT?
Have you used it? Dude seriously, it is the holy f*cking grail of mobile computing. This kit is so nice if will cure cancer. I will end global warming ... errr "climate change" and bring your family back from the dead.
Ok so it won't being them back from the dead, but seriously its a pretty massive leap in usability and compute ergonomics. Oh and its slick as ice.
I mean if we are messuring the viability of an OS .... who the **** would use a unix based hot mess with a **** frontend that is so bad that everyone and thier brother tried to rewrite it.
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haha, dude I get what you are saying...those windows 8 previews/demos at Computex 2012 look bad Ass!
As an android fanboy, I will still be first in line to admit that windows 8 with its metro UI is possibly going to trump android unless Google brings their A-game with android 4.1/5.0 (jelly bean/whatever flavor it is this time). every-time I see a preview/demo of the metro UI I ask... WHY IS IT SOO SMOOTH??? AAGHGHH! LOL
But heres to the dreamers: windows 8 RT + ICS dual-booting on the tab 7.7. yikes!
PS - still love my tab 7.7.
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Java support on android devices?

This is a silly question, and may apply more generally, but does anyone know if there's a browser on the N10 or any android device can support javascript/flash? I know that Android is supposed to support it and that it is mainly composed of java but some websites are just not working for me.
Example: Blackboard (that website used by professors most universities)
My HTC EVO 4g LTE supports the HTML but not so much the Javascript. I'm really wanting to view PDFs and slides (I haven't checked if blackboard uses flash aswell).
Sorry I'm not too savvy on the the programming side of things, but thanks in advance!

Hmm, I don't think there's a plugin or anything on the Android-side of things, but there is an ARM-version of the Java plugin for Linux. I had it working on my Nexus 7 + Ubuntu a little while back.

Well JavaScript is supported on all android browsers I think
It definitely works on chrome
There is no Java support though since Java and JavaScript are not the same
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Just trying to get a way to get some websites working and get the most out of the device. I'd like my N10 to replace my laptop completely maybe if someone can get native ubuntu I could dual boot.
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Maybe someone can shed some light on this?

After reading and watching multiple demonstrations of the Ubuntu phone os. I just can't seem to find features that I can't already do on my android. The notifications drawer is pretty neat in that you can pull it down at different places, but other than that, it just seems like a lightly modded android.
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luc.highwalker said:
After reading and watching multiple demonstrations of the Ubuntu phone os. I just can't seem to find features that I can't already do on my android. The notifications drawer is pretty neat in that you can pull it down at different places, but other than that, it just seems like a lightly modded android.
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I think for most users, they may not find value in this yet (until more apps are available and/or cheaper phones come out), but for those familiar with linux it will make a lot of sense.
I have been a linux developer for 3 years now (as a full time job) and I am just imagining all the cool stuff I can do with this device (at home and at work).
For one thing, you will likely be able to develop (native) apps on the phone itself instead of having to have a separate computer to do it. It might even be possible to develop Android apps!
It's basically a PC in your pocket so the apps will not be as limited as Android and iOS apps. There is still software out there that is not available on Android and iOS because those systems are designed for phones and tablets and don't fully support a desktop style interface. The appeal to an Ubuntu phone is that it can function as both, and you can develop software that will be interchangeable as both.

Thanks for your reply.
I'm not a developer (yet) so I can't say much on the subject. But I do know that you can develop apps directly on an Android device. There's even a Linux terminal Window.
I guess I'll just have to wait and see what people can make out of the phone. till then, I'll just stick to my beloved android
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If you love linux, this *could* be a game changer if it's done right. As BukaKing mentioned, the ability to run native apps on the OS is a huge plus, as you would then be able to make the most of the hardware presented rather than utilising a java engine.
Customisation I am assuming will also be a huge factor - Ubuntu Desktop can be so heavily customised, to function exactly how you want it to, so I am *assuming* that Ubuntu for Phones will be similar. So, just because the OS behaves a particular way on those video's circulating, does not necessarily mean that is how it is destined to remain. Once it's out there in the wild, I would even assume people unhappy with the lack of soft buttons may find them re-appear, as gnome/unity has the ability to create custom panels.
The oportunities I think this OS presents to smartphones is amazing, but in the end it comes down to 2 things for me. Will it be completely open source? If yes, then there could be a bunch of forks/derivitives explode around the webs where teams have customised the OS the way they want it. Developing for it would be far easier, so i'd expect if popularity gets high enough, apps will appear from everywhere. And, implimentation - will it be as easy for a non-linux user to pick up and use, as it will be for a linux user? Hopefully, that answer is yes too.

According to Shuttleworth, it will be 100% opensource! I can't wait till the code is released and we can all play with this. Since it will be using an android kernel and drivers I'm hoping it won't be to hard to compile from source for my phone.

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According to Shuttleworth, it will be 100% opensource! I can't wait till the code is released and we can all play with this. Since it will be using an android kernel and drivers I'm hoping it won't be to hard to compile from source for my phone.
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Helllooo! This what i was waiting for....Open source! so that ports can be made for devices that cant be officially supported by ubuntu. For those who keep saying ubuntu cant on GT-$5660 just STFU! No offense but Samsung said ICS or JB cant fully run properly on gio! and look it runs almost perfectly! So a bit of tweaking ubuntu for my device and we can run this!
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Helllooo! This what i was waiting for....Open source! so that ports can be made for devices that cant be officially supported by ubuntu. For those who keep saying ubuntu cant on GT-$5660 just STFU! No offense but Samsung said ICS or JB cant fully run properly on gio! and look it runs almost perfectly! So a bit of tweaking ubuntu for my device and we can run this!
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:banghead: :banghead: No.. It won't work on the S5660... Ubuntu phone is not android... Have you ever wrote a program? Compiled software? The binary is compiled using the arm hard float v7 instructions, you will need to recompile the kernel, the OS and every damn app.. the native apps are made with C++ not java ... You may be able to get a running build on a arm v6 like the S5660 but you can't install 3rd party apps from the store or proprietary apps unless the developer thought about that and supports it .. Likely not, they will be natively for arm v7 hf only...
If canonical would have chosen soft float instead of hard float then it would have worked, but it will be freaking slow and laggy..
Getting JB on that device is something else, it and android apps are running of a virtual machine .. That is the good thing about managed code and virtual machines and the reason sun Microsystems invented java in the first place ...
QML and c++ is not running off a virtual machine.. Its 100% native ...
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I'm wondering if native C++ Apps will not only be more efficient than Java on Android but if Ubuntu can take more advantage of multi-core systems than Android does. At least I have heared that Android isn't that optimized for multi-core phones.

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:banghead: :banghead: No.. It won't work on the S5660... Ubuntu phone is not android... Have you ever wrote a program? Compiled software? The binary is compiled using the arm hard float v7 instructions, you will need to recompile the kernel, the OS and every damn app..
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Why does it have to be him that has to do that, some one else could do it and provide an image.
the native apps are made with C++ not java ...
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Yeah, who ever heard of making native apps in java!
The Ubuntu Phone OS equivalent to java will be HTML5.
You may be able to get a running build on a arm v6 like the S5660 but you can't install 3rd party apps from the store or proprietary apps unless the developer thought about that and supports it .. Likely not, they will be natively for arm v7 hf only...
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You go from saying "No.. it won't work" to saying "You may be able to get a running build", nice!
And what proprietary apps are there right now? The only apps that I have seen are either HTML5 or the one native app (the gallery app) that Canonical made which will be open source and can be rebuilt for any device.
Also this same problem exists for Android native app (android has a lot of them), the developers have to build binaries for the different Android devices. So you can port Android to an x86 device but you will not be able to run a lot of games unless they include binaries that support it. Games built with Unity 3D are native apps, games built on Adobe Flash/Air are native apps. Native apps *can be* more efficient in performance, memory and battery than Java apps. Also C++ in the case of mobile devices is more cross platform than Java, since it can be used on both iOS and Android, and the libraries in Android Java are not available on other platforms with Java.
QML itself is not technically native, it depends on how it is used. QML is a mix of objects/widgets and javascript (similar to HTML5), but native C++ code can access QML objects/widgets through Qt.
But that said, if Canonical doesn't officially support a device I would steer clear of updates. I just spent the weekend trying to update my HP Envy from Ubuntu 10.10 to 12.10 and I had a ton of problems, and while it works now, my USB is disabled for some reason (even though internal USB devices work). This isn't the first time this has happened to me with Ubuntu updates.
I wouldn't worry about it for the Galaxy Nexus since it is an officially supported device, but for devices that are ported too by some one else, I would avoid updates coming from Canonical.

Valve is testing Steam games for Ubuntu so we could be playing some real games on our phones soon.
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Valve is testing Steam games for Ubuntu so we could be playing some real games on our phones soon.
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ARM != x86 .....

blackout23 said:
ARM != x86 .....
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What about those x86 based phones?
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What about those x86 based phones?
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The smartphone GPU drivers and chips probably don't support OpenGL 3.0 like Steam games require.
Smartphones never had full blown OpenGL only OpenGLES (Embedded System).
Desktop PCs are still waaay more powerful than any smartphone. Any cheap Celeron CPU for 40 bucks will obliterate your Intel Atom powered smartphone.

Chances of Microsoft adding support for developing wp8 apps in JavaScript and html5?

Hi,
I am a windows 8 app developer, and I use JavaScript, css3, and html5 to develop apps for windows 8.
They don't run in the browser, they run as actual apps, just like if you wrote them in c# or c++.
I was just wondering, do u think Microsoft will add support to windows phone 8 for apps that are written in js and html5?.
As I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be possible, because u can write websites for phones with those languages, and it has the same principles.
Sorry if I have posted this in the wrong forum, I am new to the wp8 forum
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Correction: your apps do run in a browser, just not in an blatantly obvious one.
You can develop HTML 5 apps for WP8.

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Correction: your apps do run in a browser, just not in an blatantly obvious one.
You can develop HTML 5 apps for WP8.
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Hi, that's incorrect.
They run with the same JavaScript engine as IE10, but its not in a browser, it runs in the context of a app.
You upload the JavaScript apps for windows 8 to the MS store, so it doesn't run in browser.
So can u develop wp8 apps that you can upload to the MS store with HTML 5?.
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I really can't understand how people use JS for developing apps. It looks really ugly, at least MS's applications.

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I really can't understand how people use JS for developing apps. It looks really ugly, at least MS's applications.
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They don't look ugly, they look exactly the same as if they were developed in c#.
It just depends if the dev is **** or now, lol.
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There is a HTML5 App template in the WP8 SDK, so in that regard you can do HTML5 Apps for WP8. But it comes down to having a "WebView" inside a regular App without access to the functionalities the OS provides (as you would be able to on Win8/RT). So in the end you are down to what you can do with the standard HTML5/JS functionality.
You might be able to do more with PhoneGap.
As for future updates. Currently there is also functionality (especially UI-wise) that you can't access from C++ Native Code either. There seems to still be a lot of Silverlight in the Runtime of WP8. Microsoft announced that they would try and move the Runtime libraries of WP and Windows closer together with Blue, so I do believe "Native HTML 5 development" could become possible then.

It's coming. Later