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The real problem IMO of Honeycomb/Xoom versus Ipad2

Coming from a Xoom owner and having played with the ipad 2 this weekend, I'll admit that Apple has just thought everything out much better than Motorola has.
In this, I don't blame Google...I love honeycomb and think its the better OS, but right now I can't recommend the Xoom to anyone I know unless they already know they want the Xoom (which are people like us).
You can just tell that Apple has thought a lot of things through...the design on the ip2 is amazing...it really does feel a lot nicer than my Xoom...its more balanced in one hand. The case, while IMO stupid, is also well thought out…the fact that they even thought of that was awesome...ive always been wondering when companies would design cases/covers that work WITH the item and looks fully integrated...the first ipad case was a pos, and the Motorola case is also ****. A lot of you will say the case is great yadda yadda, but get real, you can tell they put maybe 2 FTEs for like a week to design that thing. The way the magnets work on the iPad is great...a lot of third party case makers will probably use that to turn the iPad on/off.
The volume buttons on the Xoom are also incredibly frustrating to use...i have to actually use my fingernails to use them...again not a deal breaker since I deal with it, but still...not well thought out.
Again, I am not talking about the aps, which should catch up, but the hardware…and yea, I know “we aren’t the average consumer blah blah,” but I want the avg consumer to adopt honeycomb because they are the mass consumers that developers will flock to get. The avg consumer wants something that is pretty…really the iPad does make it feel “magical” whereas the Xoom is industrial.
Since people are focused on tablet centric aps, it is like the app stores are starting over again and the Xoom is somewhat like the G1. It took Android about 1-2 years to (IMO) catch up to Iphone’s apps (still some missing, but I’d generally say the phone apps are pretty much right up there with iOS)….so I am guessing it will take about that long for the tablet aps to catch up. In that time, maybe Honeycomb will get mass adoption…until then, I think iPad 2 is better for me too in the end. However, my nexus s will never go anywhere unless the iphone 5 fixes notifications and gives me SOME flexibility…doubtful.
It is incredibly frustrating for me because while I hate the walled-garden approach, being completely open without regulations has its qualms too…Right now neither OS is close to being perfect, but the iPad can do more now. Xoom has the potential to be amazing…I have 4 CNN widgets on one screen to get the latest news and its very pretty, but then I can’t watch Netflix in an airport? SOME devices will get Netflix…SOME devices will get Hulu…SOME devices will get mlb.tv support…three things I want to do a lot of while traveling….Sure Play On will fix a lot, but again, that is a work around. And while Playon has been great, its not perfect…nor free. Motorola has possibly forced me to leave Honeycomb.
Flash is dead…sorry, but Adobe has had a good amount of time now. I loaded flash 10.2 on my updated Xoom and while it is better, it’s not near a good user experience.
Ultimately, that is what Apple gets…it’s the user experience…not specs. Everything they have done, from banding, to hardware design, to software design, has been designed to make the user feel like they are really doing something COOL. Technology is such a black hole to some people, that the simple fact of “flicking a movie from an ipad to a TV” DOES seem magical to them…even though techies know that’s not a big deal.
Also, choices, while ultimately great, can lead to some pretty negative things…if I was an apple salesman, all I would have to say is “Fragmentation, your device may not be up to date in half a year,” which we all know is bull****, but to an avg consumer, that is one frightening sentence.
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I have both. I still like the Xoom better though.
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I agree that the Apple ipad is a terrific device. the platform is about five years old now considering it is a large ipod touch/iphone and 2nd gen in its current form factor. In 18 months Android became the No. 1 smartphone OS and this is the first stab at a market Apple defined.
The screen ipad screen is better than the Xoom, the Apple ecosystem of getting media from itunes onto the tablet is idiot-proof, it certainly has the apps and it looks like video performance for movies and games is improved with the ipad2. For the average consumer (or maybe below average from our technical point of view) looking to play movies or listen to music, not caring about the encoding and wanting a plug and play experience, yes, this is a better solution than Android offers. Maybe Google Music will change that.
But that doesn't mean Xoom and Android are doomed. I couldn't care less about which platform is more popular. I guess I'm in the minority as I don't use it for games or movies. I wan't more than the ipad can give me. I want user expandable memory, multitasking, usb hosting, freedom to decide what programs make sense for me, rooting and the list goes on. I use mine to carry manuals and work information and as good as the ipad looks, for reading, characters look better on a Xoom. Maybe I want iboobs on my device, do I need Steve to tell me, no, it is inappropriate and I can't have it? At 47, I can have my wife tell me that. Steve doesn't tell me I don't want Flash!
I've use the Flash beta to watch Fox News TV it was flawless. That's probably the first and last time I'll use it as I didn't miss it with my ipad. How can it be dead when it is only available via a leaked beta?
It isn't an us or them situation. Think of it like a John and Paul relationship where there is some competition and some collaboration that makes a great overall experience. You may like Paul, I may like John but one without the other isn't nearly as good. ipad makes Android better and vice versa. Look at RIM, no reason for them to improve their user experience and now it looks like 2012 will be the year they're rolling out something "new".

Personally I'm waiting for HTC to design a Honeycomb tablet, they obviously know something about build quality and design that other manufactures do not. I don't care if that tablet is running HTC Sense, it will preform well and be beautiful.

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Agree with you there. As a future tablet owner and android fan, I'm really having a hard time deciding on which tablet to pick. Every time I see a video of the xoom, the great browser and ui look, I'm sold. But then when Apple shows something like garageband, or other games/apps for the ipad, along with its "exterior", I'm sold for that aswell . This leaves me right in the middle, not a really good place to make a choice :/.
Apple just made a great move with its pricing, especially the 500 dollar model, which I believe is also there just to draw people to the store, where some decide to go for more memory. Here in Belgium, people won't choose something else over an iPad if the device isn't priced like atleast 50-100 euro cheaper, due to the "apple halo", which still exists here. I"m afraid a huge majority of people here falls into the "cartoony htc evo movie with the really annoying customer trying to buy an iphone 4 cuz it has the wifis"-category. There's also virtually no marketing for android (here). All of this leads to less sales => less developers.
Android is becoming a big hit on phones, but due to a lot of those being slow phones, game developers can't really bring their best, which is a little unforunate for people like me with SGS's.

Have the XOOM and the iPad 1. Went and played with the iPad 2 yesterday for quite a while. Nothing there to make me want to shed the XOOM or upgrade iPad 1, but agree with almost everything you say about a far more smoother user experience. That being said, I came home and read that the Samsumg Galaxy TAB 10.1 will come with a Super AMOLED display and that was all I needed to know to choose my next tablet. See below...
"The Galaxy Tab 10.1 has a fancy new Super AMOLED screen"
"The Galaxy Tab 10.1's screen is far better than the Apple iPad's in our opinion"
http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/379227/hands_samsung_galaxy_tab_10_1/

Eclair~ said:
Personally I'm waiting for HTC to design a Honeycomb tablet, they obviously know something about build quality and design that other manufactures do not. I don't care if that tablet is running HTC Sense, it will preform well and be beautiful.
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When has HTC ever, EVER been ahead in performance especially related to graphics? They stink at anything related to GPU or video acceleration.

CJNYC said:
Have the XOOM and the iPad 1. Went and played with the iPad 2 yesterday for quite a while. Nothing there to make me want to shed the XOOM or upgrade iPad 1, but agree with almost everything you say about a far more smoother user experience. That being said, I came home and read that the Samsumg Galaxy TAB 10.1 will come with a Super AMOLED display and that was all I needed to know to choose my next tablet. See below...
"The Galaxy Tab 10.1 has a fancy new Super AMOLED screen"
"The Galaxy Tab 10.1's screen is far better than the Apple iPad's in our opinion"
http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/379227/hands_samsung_galaxy_tab_10_1/
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Holy crap. PLEASE Samsung don't ruin it by using a Tegra 2. PLEASE.

CJNYC said:
Have the XOOM and the iPad 1. Went and played with the iPad 2 yesterday for quite a while. Nothing there to make me want to shed the XOOM or upgrade iPad 1, but agree with almost everything you say about a far more smoother user experience. That being said, I came home and read that the Samsumg Galaxy TAB 10.1 will come with a Super AMOLED display and that was all I needed to know to choose my next tablet. See below...
"The Galaxy Tab 10.1 has a fancy new Super AMOLED screen"
"The Galaxy Tab 10.1's screen is far better than the Apple iPad's in our opinion"
http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/379227/hands_samsung_galaxy_tab_10_1/
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I honestly don't believe that. They are the first people who have used the GTab 10.1 to say that, and according to Engadget its a TFT LCD just like the Xoom. However, they also go on to say in the video that it may be same panel used on the original Galaxy Tab. Which they were impressed with.
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When has HTC ever, EVER been ahead in performance especially related to graphics? They stink at anything related to GPU or video acceleration.
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By preform well I meant "good enough", not ahead of anyone.

All this Google vs Apple bantering reminds me so much of the IBM/Microsoft vs Apple desktop OS war. How IBM built up the open architeture for their PCs vs Apple closed hardware system.
Not that whats going on is 100% like back then. Apple's gone cheaper(tablet wise) than its competition and I think thats a heavy blow dealt to the Android side. Android, however has something that Apple doesn't have, mass market appeal. HTC, Motorola, Samsung, Kyocera, Sony, Dell, Acer, LG, Toshiba, Viewsonic, Archos to name a few.
Kinda like the PC.

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The Apple platform is supposed to be this well polished I had the first and second Iphone and I wouldn't go back again.
iOS sucks thats the reality!
end of story
oh and anyone waiting for HTC to save the day, looking at the flyer and the bloatware they call sense I think I will stay with the moto and xoom

Gtab doesn't have an amoled screen, heck they can't even provide super amoled+ for all of their SGS II. It also has a tegra 2 chip. Even if not, it would still "only" be super amoled, and believe me (I have an original SGS), text does not look good with the Pentile subpixel structure, even though the SGS has a PPI of like 230. Going down to 160 would be horrible for text.
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HTC was quite disappointing this H1 of 2011, no leaps forward, and the flyer will probably end up like the Tab 1, unfortunately.
The problem with the android 3.0 tablets is that they are the ones that have to convince the consumer (seeing as they are more expensive/new to the market). The first thing the average consumer sees is that the xoom/whatever tablet is plasticy, relatively heavy and "fat", which is not really the best first impression.

Cooki3s said:
Gtab doesn't have an amoled screen, heck they can't even provide super amoled+ for all of their SGS II. It also has a tegra 2 chip. Even if not, it would still "only" be super amoled, and believe me (I have an original SGS), text does not look good with the Pentile subpixel structure, even though the SGS has a PPI of like 230. Going down to 160 would be horrible for text.
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HTC was quite disappointing this H1 of 2011, no leaps forward, and the flyer will probably end up like the Tab 1, unfortunately.
The problem with the android 3.0 tablets is that they are the ones that have to convince the consumer (seeing as they are more expensive/new to the market). The first thing the average consumer sees is that the xoom/whatever tablet is plasticy, relatively heavy and "fat", which is not really the best first impression.
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Isn't the Xoom made out of aluminum? I haven't held one yet, but I'm assuming since you say this that it isn't obvious to tell?

I was talking more about android tablets in general, although I believe atleast a part of the back of the xoom is aluminium, but a part is "rubbery" if I'm correct. They don't have any of them here in Belgium so I wouldn't know for sure tbh.

thats my point though...I want Android/honeycomb to be popular so it gets more and more support....
It IS important whether you guys will admit it or not..Google isnt spending money to make techies happy...they want to make money, and the money is not here...its with the average joes...imo Honeycomb is NOT the problem...its the OEMs...one reason I was disappointed Nokia didn't hop on board because I think their hardware with Android could own Apple...

After having an ipad I will tell you the build on Xoom is actually as good and in some ways better

iceytea said:
All this Google vs Apple bantering reminds me so much of the IBM/Microsoft vs Apple desktop OS war. How IBM built up the open architeture for their PCs vs Apple closed hardware system.
Not that whats going on is 100% like back then. Apple's gone cheaper(tablet wise) than its competition and I think thats a heavy blow dealt to the Android side. Android, however has something that Apple doesn't have, mass market appeal. HTC, Motorola, Samsung, Kyocera, Sony, Dell, Acer, LG, Toshiba, Viewsonic, Archos to name a few.
Kinda like the PC.
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Deja vu for sure.
iOS and Android each have their strengths and weaknesses. The iPad2 and Xoom hardware each have strengths and weaknesses. Some people prefer the feel of a closed ecosystem behind a pay-to-play walled garden, others prefer on open ecosystem with a vibrant dev community.
You can compare specs (or have a pissing contest) all you want but in the end trying to convince people who's preference differs from your own to instead prefer the same product you prefer is a waste of time, energy and keystrokes. Your inability to change their minds does not mean your own preference is inferior. It just means different people have different preferences. Let them.
In the long run what this competition means is that we all get a bunch of awesome gadgets to choose from. So stop worrying that some people prefer different things than you do. Spend that time and energy enjoying your preferences instead.
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HTC build quality far surpases motorola in my opinion. HTC phones ive owned and known have all been very reliable and beautifully well made. While sense isnt brilliant i still believe a HTC honeycomb tablet will be the one to have. It will look good and be well made. With far better customer services than motorola too.
I was lucky enough to get a nexus one. Stock android OS with a HTC phone. Its built brilliantly. That new samsung nexus s just looks abit flimsy to me.

What are you talking about ? iOS doesn't have a vibrant dev community? I think there's is larger than Android... You have to hack your Android to be completely "open" the same way some jb iOS. Same difference
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What are you talking about ? iOS doesn't have a vibrant dev community? I think there's is larger than Android... You have to hack your Android to be completely "open" the same way some jb iOS. Same difference
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you completely missed the point of my post, I'll let someone interested in pissing contests explain the differences between creating apps and hacking and modding an OS.
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Always a difficult decision, choosing between the latest and greatest Android phone or the latest and greatest iPhone is a problem that every smartphone user faces at one point or another. Thankfully, the key to solving that problem isn't that far away when you know what to look for. Having both the Samsung Galaxy S III and Apple iPhone 4S here with us, we thought that we absolutely have to ...
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This should be fun because the phone arena dude is a massive iPhone fanboy...
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LOL THE FIRST THING ... "The iphone has the benefit of comfort"
Actually, even after using my 4.0" Atrix, the 3.5" devices seem way too cramped for my hand
this video is terrible. hes claiming the iPhone has the better photo quality and hes not showing any photos.

Oh god I couldn't even finish watching that. Somebody please knock some sense into this man, or hire the "wake up" team

Just sold my iPhone4s and waiting for SIII. IPhone is a nice "phone", nothing else. But for other things is too small. Before I have had GNex, SII, Sensation... 4.3 inches is really good size for my hands, but SIII isn't much bigger I think
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meeeh, to each his own. how the phone feels in one's hand is completely subjective to the individual.

I do agree with him that the body of the iPhone looks and feels like a luxury product. But for actual daily use, theres no getting around that the SIII is just better in every aspects other than SMS'ing or typing in phone numbers. Also the icon grid of the iphone is a pain in the a**. The ability to setup home screens is much more useful. And thats just the top of the software iceberg.
I have also come to love the light plastic phones by Samsung. It's hard to break and the warmer feel is just great.

The reviewer does come off as a sort of fanboi. His "final verdict" didn't seem to take into account any specifics of the S3 at all, only a rehash of the usual android vs iphone stereotype.
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LOL THE FIRST THING ... "The iphone has the benefit of comfort"
Actually, even after using my 4.0" Atrix, the 3.5" devices seem way too cramped for my hand
this video is terrible. hes claiming the iPhone has the better photo quality and hes not showing any photos.
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Check the website..... don't think its bias at all he makes some good points but at the end its obvious the gs3 is stronger in calls and multimedia, the only place the iPhone wins is design and camera stills not video.
So if he does love iPhone he isn't showing it in this review , let's not witch hunt.
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The iphone. A great product in its day. The iphone4 was a leading handset in its day. Sadly for the coolaid drinkers that day is long past. The iphone is surpassed in every meaningful way now. Unlike most here though I hope they up their game huge for iphone5 because the iphone is what made all of the many better handsets that can be had now happen. A **** hot iphone 5 means that everyone gets better. If they don't it means I get an iphone five. I love competition.

We are at a point were you can not make the phone any better in terms of screen resolution speed and battery life so I think phones after this will be pretty similar. I don't expect anything death shattering from the iPhone 5 . Maybe a bigger screen.
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We are at a point were you can not make the phone any better in terms of screen resolution speed and battery life so I think phones after this will be pretty similar.
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Er, while I don't claim to be an expert on Moore's law, I doubt you have good grounds for that claim either. Both screen technology and processor power have improved significantly each year, and indeed the iPhone still has to play catch-up in terms on specs. There is definitely room for improvement of the iPhone at the very least (and probably everything else as well).

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We are at a point were you can not make the phone any better in terms of screen resolution speed and battery life so I think phones after this will be pretty similar. I don't expect anything death shattering from the iPhone 5 . Maybe a bigger screen.
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I agree. The coming phone might do better in benchmarks, but in real life, that difference will be barely noticeable.
Just look at some of the Note vs. HOX on youtube. The difference is much less than the specs would suggest.
Edit: In battery life there is much to improve!
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Just look at some of the Note vs. HOX on youtube. The difference is much less than the specs would suggest.
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1) Last year not being much different from this year does not imply that development has been capped.
2) One cannot expect a notable difference anyway, since everything in the current ecosystem is designed not to take advantage of so many resources. As the resources grow, however, so will demand tend to grow with it. Eventually, for example, with enough cores, enough RAM, and an efficient enough battery, it will become feasible for the OS to simply leave all background tasks running, just like on our computer. That would be a notable change, but clearly it could not happen overnight.

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1) Last year not being much different from this year does not imply that development has been capped.
2) One cannot expect a notable difference anyway, since everything in the current ecosystem is designed not to take advantage of so many resources. As the resources grow, however, so will demand tend to grow with it. Eventually, for example, with enough cores, enough RAM, and an efficient enough battery, it will become feasible for the OS to simply leave all background tasks running, just like on our computer. That would be a notable change, but clearly it could not happen overnight.
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I was just talking about the next iPhone not about the general development of phones. Given how phones are used this year and probably next year, doubling up the hardware specs, will not result in a twice as good user experience.

When you shoot a video from an iPhone 4S its look like you have already zoom a little bit and apart from that its video quality is smooth, colours look so bright and vivid. On the other hand video quality of S3 we will came to know after it get launch.

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Without knowing what that comment was this post is meaningless.

You cant compare those two phones. You already know that s3 is better.
After all quadcore is much faster than dual.

Samsung Galaxy S III VS iPhone 4S - Phone Arena

Check this iPhone 4S vs SGS3
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-vs-Apple-iPhone-4S_id3038
Pretty nice

SGS3 smokes the iPhone.
But I found it almost painful to watch, how this apple fanboy tries to find a positive aspect for his love.
It was nice to see how he destroyed the myth of easier use, when he showed the music player, or how you get movies on your device (pocket cinema)

Why not compare it with next iWhatever to be fare ?
We are basically comparing everything with iPhone4s and that itself says all ..
Strictly not apple or android fanboy as both have its own set of advantages and disadvantages
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"There shouldn't be any doubt that the iPhone 4S is the better-designed handset." I agree with that, although I know I should keep my mouth shut until I have actually held the SGS3 in my hands. But I do feel that the iPhone sports a well thought-out design, and it does feel premium, although it's kinda heavy for being a 3.5" device, no?
"Apart from its multimedia superiority, the Galaxy S III is also the better phone if you love tinkering with the software of your mobile device." Exactly. I have enjoyed my time with the iPhone, I really have, but it's getting boring now. I've had it for a year and now I want to tinker. I want to mod. I want to change icons and I want to flash kernels. I want to try out experimental ROMs that cause bootloops. I want that kind of fun back! I love the way you can truly personalize an Android device. I miss that and I want that back.
Winterboard, you say? Oh yay, I can choose from 2,000 ugly themes to apply, and they'll all make my phone slower and less responsive? GTFO...
Really though, what's so wrong with Ray S? I think the last two paragraphs in this review really say it all and I agree with what he writes 100%
The iPhone doesn't suck! It's a really good phone if you want that simplicity! Ray doesn't suck either! He awards points to BOTH phones and I think he did a good job with this.

The review was a total joke, since he deliberately didn't mention many advantages of the GS3.
Design - 'iPhone has more premium feel', but of course he didn't say how much more durable plastic is and how fragile iPhone is.
Keyboards - of course he didn't mention that Galaxy phones come with Swype, or that you can install a number of 3rd party keyboards compared to no choice on iOS.
I could go on but it was not a very fair review at all.

S2 and the Note beat IPhone 4s. S3 is way too better.
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That's the point. He's comparing it to a, frankly, outdated phone and still spinning it to prop them both up equally.
The 4S, after all, was really an incremental update from the year before; I don't think a comparison even deserves to be made (the only reason it even comes up is because the 4S is Apple, oh my).
Unfortunately, it's just not feasible to compare it to the next iPhone, for obvious reasons.

Android phones have set certain standards in the last year, that a new iphone has to match or they won't have a chance IMHo. Really interested to see what they do about the screen size and how they will handle he resolution dilemma.

The iPhone is beginning to look and feel really old by now.

Phone Arena has a bias toward iPhone, as seen in their S3 review, we have gone over this in the previous thread. I think to compare an iPhone to Android by itself is a stupid concept. I mean if you were to give me an iPhone 4S right now, what would I do with it? I can do more thing and have more fun with a used $120 Galaxy S variant, no exaggeration.

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"There shouldn't be any doubt that the iPhone 4S is the better-designed handset." I agree with that, although I know I should keep my mouth shut until I have actually held the SGS3 in my hands. But I do feel that the iPhone sports a well thought-out design, and it does feel premium, although it's kinda heavy for being a 3.5" device, no?
"Apart from its multimedia superiority, the Galaxy S III is also the better phone if you love tinkering with the software of your mobile device." Exactly. I have enjoyed my time with the iPhone, I really have, but it's getting boring now. I've had it for a year and now I want to tinker. I want to mod. I want to change icons and I want to flash kernels. I want to try out experimental ROMs that cause bootloops. I want that kind of fun back! I love the way you can truly personalize an Android device. I miss that and I want that back.
Winterboard, you say? Oh yay, I can choose from 2,000 ugly themes to apply, and they'll all make my phone slower and less responsive? GTFO...
Really though, what's so wrong with Ray S? I think the last two paragraphs in this review really say it all and I agree with what he writes 100%
The iPhone doesn't suck! It's a really good phone if you want that simplicity! Ray doesn't suck either! He awards points to BOTH phones and I think he did a good job with this.
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I honestly don't get why people seem to be giving Ray S such a hard time... I actually like his reviews, both in written form and his videos as well... Maybe I just don't get it though!
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Issue i have with his every review is more of an opinion piece instead of an objective review. He has tendencies to amplify negatives that can be seen as positive things on non-apple devices.
also the conclusion that everyone who fits the criteria below to get an iphone? If he said things like ecosystem, itunes, etc then yeah i can see it but generalized conclusion that fits both device doesn't.
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Apparently, those guys would be the kind of users who don't really pay so much attention to their smartphone, but still want something that's contemporary and reliable. Are your needs limited to the basic phone stuff, surfing the web, occasional social network check and maybe even playing a game every now and then, but you have no intention of spending hours of rooting, flashing ROMs and searching for the ultimate widget set? Well, you guessed it you'll be better off with the iPhone 4S, as it's designed just for you, buddy.
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My response from the other thread

Samsung Galaxy S2 is better than iPhone 4S. But my favourite feature on iPhone 4S is Siri. But I still like the iPhone, after comparing them also.

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how do you compare two vastly different phones for vastly different customer population? also honestly, why is everyone comparing to the iPhone still? while they may sell the most due to people either being invested in ios or for cult like reasons, i really don't see them as the standard anymore. comparison is great for specs but i'm just tired of everyone regarding the iPhone as the standard.
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...i really don't see them as the standard anymore.
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Exactly.
FWIW I will be getting the note2 to replace my OG Droid. I want to combine my android phone and android tab into one and carry less devices.
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Its like comparing a jacket vs. A tank-top
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Its like comparing a jacket vs. A tank-top
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But that answer depend on who is wearing what, and from a viewer point of view rather than user point of view. Well at least that is not my brain is talking.

Ok, first off. Comparing two phones that aren't out/ didn't personally use them for a while is not fair. A6 is probably dual core A15's, the iPad 3 doesn't have the same processor but it still is the fastest(check benchmarks/game FPS). In 3D performance, iPhone 5 would probably win. Operating system is biased and that's the end of it. You can only state the features but which one is better is your opinion. I think iOS works very well, but that's about it. It gets boring quickly even though it's doing its job of working as expected. Android is way more functional and with ICS and later, apps aren't ugly and have a style now.

Okay, seriously? Siri is a better assistant than Google Now? Siri has more sports knowledge? That is incredibly wrong.
Number 1, Siri gets all its info from Google. Number 2, Google Now updates you prior, during, and after the game has been played.
This review was not completed with the best support, not to mention the iPhone hasn't been released to effectively compare speeds, camera, etc. Although, I have no doubt the GNII will destroy the iPhone 5.
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Here is a comparison that my friend wrote comparing the two devices. Both devices will be coming to US carriers and we will need to make a decision between which device to buy. Check out the review and then let me know which one you think your going to purchase.
Review: http://brobuffet.com/2012/09/14/apple-iphone-5-vs-samsung-galaxy-note-2/
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I appreciate your friend for writing this comparison and you for sharing it with us, but so many mistakes in his comparisons. The iphone 5 and the iPad 3 do not share the same processor, the iPad has an A5x chip ( arm cortex A9)while the new iphone has an A6 chip( arm cortex A15 which is a beast). The iphone camera is known to be one of the best around, I won't jump to conclusion on which is better until we see what the note 2 can do. Siri is light years better than S voice, but Google now is better than siri. I'm definitely not defending the iphone but since this is an honest thread we have to state the facts. Its hard to judge the exterior of each phone cause to each his own, and as far as battery life goes, I expect the note 2 to map the floor out with any phone on the market, including the iphone 5. The note 2 comes with a 1.6 GHz Exynos 4 quad processor ( quad core) which is a beast also. Both phones have powerful processors that will make them fly. I prefer the note 2 cause of the s pen and its new features, the 5.5 inch screen, the OS, the ability customise it however you want it. But the iphone 5 is no slouch, its a very good phone but it doesn't deserve all the hype its getting. Deuces
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I appreciate your friend for writing this comparison and you for sharing it with us, but so many mistakes in his comparisons. The iphone 5 and the iPad 3 do not share the same processor, the iPad has an A5x chip ( arm cortex A9)while the new iphone has an A6 chip( arm cortex A15 which is a beast). The iphone camera is known to be one of the best around, I won't jump to conclusion on which is better until we see what the note 2 can do. Siri is light years better than S voice, but Google now is better than siri. I'm definitely not defending the iphone but since this is an honest thread we have to state the facts. Its hard to judge the exterior of each phone cause to each his own, and as far as battery life goes, I expect the note 2 to map the floor out with any phone on the market, including the iphone 5. The note 2 comes with a 1.6 GHz Exynos 4 quad processor ( quad core) which is a beast also. Both phones have powerful processors that will make them fly. I prefer the note 2 cause of the s pen and its new features, the 5.5 inch screen, the OS, the ability customise it however you want it. But the iphone 5 is no slouch, its a very good phone but it doesn't deserve all the hype its getting. Deuces
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You make some excellent points my man. I still believe that Androids vs iPhones continues to be based on what the user is looking for. I think the gap in that argument is changing but it still exists.

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You make some excellent points my man. I still believe that Androids vs iPhones continues to be based on what the user is looking for. I think the gap in that argument is changing but it still exists.
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It all comes down to what you looking for, at the end of the day. Its is clear that I phones cater more to the masses, people that want a good phone that just works, versus android that caters to the more tech oriented people who like customisation and modding. I have a friend who used to be a crazy ROM flasher, he actually got me into android. Now he doesn't really flash ROM or anything, he just wants something that is stable and works well and he is actually considering getting an iphone ( he used to hate I phones). All the android vs apple iphone is based on that, whether you want something great that just work and you don't have to worry about a thing, or you want something else that is also great, works but can be perfected to your liking.
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It all comes down to what you looking for, at the end of the day. Its is clear that I phones cater more to the masses, people that want a good phone that just works, versus android that caters to the more tech oriented people who like customisation and modding. I have a friend who used to be a crazy ROM flasher, he actually got me into android. Now he doesn't really flash ROM or anything, he just wants something that is stable and works well and he is actually considering getting an iphone ( he used to hate I phones). All the android vs apple iphone is based on that, whether you want something great that just work and you don't have to worry about a thing, or you want something else that is also great, works but can be perfected to your liking.
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something catered to the masses wouldn't cost an arm and a leg. Android is catered to the mass with different levels of price range. Android stock is just as easy to use.
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Finally a thread where people aren't just bashing one thing or the other. Honestly just like everyone here, I think these phones are in a different class, and really can't be compared. People who go for the iPhone 5 have a lot to look forward to, the phone is still fast, has a nice screen, and can finally use LTE which is great. What I don't get is that many people still can't really appreciate it, it is a beast of a phone in such a small package, I mean no offense to the note 2 but that thing is huge and has a lot more space for a bigger or better chip, more ram, bigger battery, a lot of things but the iPhone 5 can still hold it's own and still be really small. Now I will be getting the note 2 because I can't wait for that thing, it's like everything samsung could ever do into one package, it might be the first in the US with a quad core and LTE and a 5.5 screen, and the screen is unique on it's own, hd super amoled, with it being sort of in between a pentile and a amoled plus screen. Really spec wise it is a tech geeks wet dream, and I don't care if I look dumb making calls, I barely do that anyways, currently have the og epic touch and the devs here have kept this phone alive, I can even run jb on this. With the hype around the note 2 I hope it gets a lot of dev support because that thing was made for paranoid android and I can't wait to start flashing.

juliocmorales93 said:
People who go for the iPhone 5 have a lot to look forward to, the phone is still fast, has a nice screen, and can finally use LTE which is great.
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That or until Samsung decided to do what it said and sue Apple. And if thing goes Sammy way, the there might be injunction b4 iPhone 5 ship. Who know?

Please provide link to where it has been confirmed that the iphone has A15.

ballaz said:
Please provide link to where it has been confirmed that the iphone has A15.
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Google is your friend.
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I think Samsung should sue apple for stealing its ideaof extending battery life.

In my honest opinion, there is absolutely no reason to own an iPhone 5 as it basically reinforces my belief that Apple suckers people in to $200 software upgrades. Samsung ( and others ) time and time again comes out with the stronger hardware. A lot of people say it comes down to personal preference, but I fail to see how people could prefer the iPhone. Out of date hardware, smaller screen, limited OS and customization abilities, having to be hooked to iTunes, etc.
I so wanted to try the iPhone 5 instead of my GSIII, but after the lackluster press release and underwhelming specs... I was left sorely disappointed. I'll be saving my upgrade for now.
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Yea, I can't believe people think they are innovators. During their keynote they were explaining how apps designed for the 3.5" screen will work on the 4" screen. Luckily their outstanding engineers and advanced technology, they can center the app on the screen and put a black bar on the top and bottom of the app. WOW. Everyone give Apple a hand clap for their innovation in the field. Android on the other hand, sets their apps to determine the density and automatically sizes it to your screen....woo....black bars would look way better though *sarcasm*
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Its basically a slightly stretched 4s, makes me yawn to even contemplate it, how can you compare such a little toy to a NOTE version 1 or 2, even though they are so proud and numbly excited about the ohh arrr slightly bigger screen, its still too small, it looks exactly the same just a load of apps dotted about on a screen inside a square edged lump, these simple phones have there place with the mums and babies groups with there designer gold handbags and tasselled lifestyles.
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You can't compare the iPhone 5 with the Note 2. Complete different devices.

Are you thinking of changing phone for a nexus?

I like my sgs3 but I'm thinking of maybe changing to the new nexus.
The basic reasons are:
- IPS LCD display (if it has one like the rumors show). Amoled is clearly a second class display nowadays. Before it was good, but now... today I compared it to the LCD IPS of the iPhone 4S and I was impressed with the white backgrounds. On the SGS3 they look terrible on comparison, just terrible. There is also a notice difference in brightness and visibility outdoors.
- This whole problem with Samsung not releasing the info, codes and stuff of the exynoss processor is making it difficult for stock roms to become better. There is actually not that many interesting roms or tweaks available for the SGS3. Most roms are based on Samsung's. The nexus is obviously gonna have some really cool stuff and tweaks.
- Better optimization of software. Project butter on the SGS3 right now is a shame. I'm hoping on the next update they make it better. It's still a beta firmware so let's wait, but I don't trust Samsung that much.
Three basic reasons. Of course, not saying the SGS3 is a bad phone, but I expect better, specially software wise.

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I like my sgs3 but I'm thinking of maybe changing to the new nexus.
The basic reasons are:
- IPS LCD display (if it has one like the rumors show). Amoled is clearly a second class display nowadays. Before it was good, but now... today I compared it to the LCD IPS of the iPhone 4S and I was impressed with the white backgrounds. On the SGS3 they look terrible on comparison, just terrible. There is also a notice difference in brightness and visibility outdoors.
- This whole problem with Samsung not releasing the info, codes and stuff of the exynoss processor is making it difficult for stock roms to become better. There is actually not that many interesting roms or tweaks available for the SGS3. Most roms are based on Samsung's. The nexus is obviously gonna have some really cool stuff and tweaks.
- Better optimization of software. Project butter on the SGS3 right now is a shame. I'm hoping on the next update they make it better. It's still a beta firmware so let's wait, but I don't trust Samsung that much.
Three basic reasons. Of course, not saying the SGS3 is a bad phone, but I expect better, specially software wise.
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1 more thing u miss, a 8gb and non-sd card slot.
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The new nexus 2 still be having sd card slot.
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There is no SD card slot in the sgs3??
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1 more thing u miss, a 8gb and non-sd card slot.
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Yeah, I know. Not great obviously, but storage alone is not enough if you lack the other three I mentioned, like more tweaks, better roms and such.
Oh, I forgot another little reason:
- There is no in line spell checker on Samsungs touchwiz rom. In stock Android a red line appears before any misspelled word, but Samsung doesn't have this. The reason? Who knows... but I really need that feature because I type a lot on the phone.

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Yeah, I know. Not great obviously, but storage alone is not enough if you lack the other three I mentioned, like more tweaks, better roms and such.
Oh, I forgot another little reason:
- There is no in line spell checker on Samsungs touchwiz rom. In stock Android a red line appears before any misspelled word, but Samsung doesn't have this. The reason? Who knows... but I really need that feature because I type a lot on the phone.
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The phone should be 32gb at least. If not I won't buy it until it had 32gb.
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Sorry, but the Nexus will never be a high-end phone. It's supposed to be somewhat affordable. Although considered a good value and pure Android, it won't possess the higher-end specs like the Galaxy S or HTC One series will. Which Nexus are you going to get? There are like 6 coming out next year. LG maybe?

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Sorry, but the Nexus will never be a high-end phone. It's supposed to be somewhat affordable. Although considered a good value and pure Android, it won't possess the higher-end specs like the Galaxy S or HTC One series will. Which Nexus are you going to get? There are like 6 coming out next year. LG maybe?
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Next year nexus, android 5.0. Sweet
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1 more thing u miss, a 8gb and non-sd card slot.
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This was just a prototype . Official woukd have minimum 16 gb
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jinosong said:
Sorry, but the Nexus will never be a high-end phone. It's supposed to be somewhat affordable. Although considered a good value and pure Android, it won't possess the higher-end specs like the Galaxy S or HTC One series will. Which Nexus are you going to get? There are like 6 coming out next year. LG maybe?
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I've come to realize more powerful hardware is not essential. What use is there for quad core if project butter is half baked and developers cannot use all its horsepower because of lack of documentation from Samsung? It's way better to have dual core optimised, just like the nexus will do be it dual or quad core. Software must be optimised or quad core means nothing.
I would buy the one with LCD IPS display clearly. I think it's the best display right now, very bright and whites look great.

Sensamic said:
I like my sgs3 but I'm thinking of maybe changing to the new nexus.
The basic reasons are:
- IPS LCD display (if it has one like the rumors show). Amoled is clearly a second class display nowadays. Before it was good, but now... today I compared it to the LCD IPS of the iPhone 4S and I was impressed with the white backgrounds. On the SGS3 they look terrible on comparison, just terrible. There is also a notice difference in brightness and visibility outdoors.
- This whole problem with Samsung not releasing the info, codes and stuff of the exynoss processor is making it difficult for stock roms to become better. There is actually not that many interesting roms or tweaks available for the SGS3. Most roms are based on Samsung's. The nexus is obviously gonna have some really cool stuff and tweaks.
- Better optimization of software. Project butter on the SGS3 right now is a shame. I'm hoping on the next update they make it better. It's still a beta firmware so let's wait, but I don't trust Samsung that much.
Three basic reasons. Of course, not saying the SGS3 is a bad phone, but I expect better, specially software wise.
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Only thing I like with the nexus, would be the faster updates (yes I do use custom roms).
Another thing I can't really stand seeing users who say that stock android is better bla bla. Have you ever compared stock androids camera (aosp) vs samsungs one? You might dislike the template/colour scheme of touchwiz, but from a functionality point of view, samsungs software is way ahead of stock android. (even aokp, cm etc etc) eg, camera, task manager on home long press, clock app, better messaging app, contacts app etc, direct call, smart alert, smart stay (better than not having the option)

Sensamic said:
I've come to realize more powerful hardware is not essential. What use is there for quad core if project butter is half baked and developers cannot use all its horsepower because of lack of documentation from Samsung? It's way better to have dual core optimised, just like the nexus will do be it dual or quad core. Software must be optimised or quad core means nothing.
I would buy the one with LCD IPS display clearly. I think it's the best display right now, very bright and whites look great.
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Butter shouldn't be the goal of the phone. Functionality clearly trumps it. For example, playing a complex game or watching a high resolution movie is where you'll see high-end hardware really shine. As for IPS, I foresee Samsung shedding that very soon in future models.
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I can't really stand would be users who say that stock android is better bla bla.
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I agree that some of Samsung's modifications are really useful. I used an S3 then tried a Nexus for the first time and I couldn't stand the simplified options menu of the device.

Not interested in Nexus devices. Apart from faster software updates, I still can't see any better features Nexus can offer to consumers compare to OEM devices.
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Yes my next phone would be a Nexus... I like the default android launcher and fast update on Android OS. Less stress cause by waiting and TouchWiz bugs.
I would sacrifice having no SD card slot if that's the case. I just want the next nexus to have a quad core and 2GB of RAM and a 32GB of storage would be fine with me.

if the price is right, i'll get the LG nexus phone to replace my S3
i'm always on AOSP rom. no point S3 when there's always something not working on stock android.

No sdcard slot = no go!
If it had a sdcard slot, I'd definitely go for it. It seems to solve all the problems of SGS3.

When the new Lumia 920 is there, i'll go for it.\
Im getting tired of android, the flashing, the custom ROMS.
None of it is without lagg, so i'm gonna try Windows Phone 8

No. The Nexus series of phones will never have a microSD slot 'cause Google do not think they're needed (along with file managers - with the Android trait of leaving leftover **** on the SD when uninstalling applications, yeah right). Despite already nearly filling up both my 16GB internal + 32GB microSD card, I'd - grudgingly - live with the loss of a microSD card slot but rumours say that the memory of the new LG Nexus is either 8GB/16GB in order to push Google's **** cloud services. Not only do I feel it's more futuristic that I can carry huge amounts of files on a tiny microSD card without having to be tied to the Internet, Google Music doesn't officially work this side of the pond and even if it did I don't have the data allowance to always be streaming - and, in my case, I don't get mobile phone signal for a couple hours a day...
LG have been told to make the next Nexus. Luckily, I never bought the useless doorstop known as the Optimus 2X, but ask around and owners will generally tell you it sucks thanks to its feature of randomly rebooting throughout your day, on the stock firmware doing nothing. LG Canada also said no to ICS for the phone - we're talking about the first Android dual-core phone and LG's flagship. Thankfully, Google will be operating the update side of things so this won't be an issue with the Nexus, but I'll be damned if I ever buy an LG phone (4x has a locked bootloader, for example. Again not a problem on the Nexus, but another reason why I'll never consider LG).
I want to (well, try to) punch a wall when I say this, but odds are I'll be getting a Sony phone when they release a phone with specs worthy of the month of the year they're announcing it in. (In short, I want a quad-core, Sony, not excitement over the fact that the T is - finally - your first dual-core) I'll never forgive them for the Vita but with phones, they seem to have it right so no point in cutting my nose off in order to spite my face. Everybody knows of Code Aurora, but Sony do release binaries for those things they don't/can't open the source of to make it easier for those who want to run AOSP-based ROMs, unlocking the bootloader can be done through a website of theirs (and there's no bollocks like S-ON to deal with), Entropy512 says they release the code of some of their own things that they don't need to - nothing groundbreaking but very helpful to AOSP ROM maintainers etc. and they've posted on XDA in order to promote their open-source software to help developers (there's a post from a Sony Ericsson employee somewhere on XDA talking about their program that wraps apktool and others to for a better decompiling experience... god I sound like a shill).
I've also seen them contribute fixes to upstream software. Take D-Bus. On a GNU/Linux desktop it's an open-source program used mainly by the KDE & GNOME desktops (and by a ton of freedesktop.org programs like the upower daemon) as a way for programs to communicate with each other. (Sorry for the awful attempt at an explanation) On Android it's there too, probably because BlueZ, which provides the Bluetooth stack, needs it. Applications can't use it on Android but if dbus-daemon is happy then BlueZ is too. On the DBus mailing list, I would see posts by Sony Ericsson employees working on Android trying to find out why X operation was slow and, in some cases, providing fixes themselves. This is a great approach as it means not only DBus-using Linux desktops get a more stable piece of software because Sony chose to submit directly to the people who wrote the the program, it also means that other Android phones that run the version of dbus-daemon with Sony's fixes also benefit. JBQ of Google also put the Arc S device tree into AOSP - the first non-Nexus phone - because (if I'm remembering right) Sony were always friendly to AOSP and were contributing.
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As a previous owner of the original sgs1 and currently have the nexus s I recently had to decide on my new smartphone. I discounted the nexus pretty quickly because, frankly I found the nexus s boring. The nexus line will always be good but never great. Lack of storage and no sd card is a killer. The only - admittedly considerable - thing going for the nexus range is early access to latest firmware. That's it. The galaxy s range are sexy and leading edge. That's where each new model is aimed and that's what Samsung achieve
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