Whats the difference between the two development forums one says original and the other android? Can you only use stuff from one forum or the other. I've had other android devices but never seen anything like this on the forums.
I noticed this a week ago and was confused by it also, so I Google'd it and apparently it started with the Galaxy S 3. Essentially what I got out of it was that original development is for completely new ROMs from established developers and Android development is for ROMs based off of other ROMs done by both established and new developers. It's kind of a stupid and confusing classification if you ask me.
I saw a suggestion in then thread that I was reading and I thought it was a great idea: instead of splitting it like this make a few different sub-forums under the dev section for the likes of kernels, ROMs, mods, themes and other stuff. It would make it so much easier to find stuff.
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Can we have 1 sticky that lists all ROM's Official & Unofficial , ROM DEV MOD's, MODS, THEMES, GUIDES & ROOTS, RECOVERIES, PROJECTS, ISSUES&RESOLUTIONS with links to their threads? ( As well as which mods and themes work with which roms)
I'll make it if wanted but the thing is I don't log in much so it wouldn't be updated unless thepeople here moderating could update it?
I would say that would be a great thread for the mod themselves to maintain, but it would need to be someone who really hangs out in the Hero threads. So until/unless they pick some type of junior mod it would be a very tough thread to maintain because ideally it would be stickied and then locked. Maybe I'll do something like that on GeekFor.Me.
actually a consolidated post is somethin gI've been wanting to do for a couple of weeks.
yea just like in the HTC Dream android develpoment, but then some people look right pass it and make a new thread and annoy people -___-
Sweet to see this go into affect.
Even though it was thought of before i said it, you all still made me feel important
Lol now everyone hates the consolidated stickies, claiming its harder to find stuff. While I do agree to a point, it has killed the amount of conversations in those threads.
A lot of lazy people hate the consolidated stickies because there are more clicks involved to get to the ROM's etc...
I love the organization!!!, and if it were left as it was, the first page of this sub-forum would have been full of stickies, and any new issues would be automatically buried to the second page.
I love the new stickies
I've read a few threads here lately where someone asks as question and thereafter gets berated by the members who consider themselves developers for posting a question here. I can totally see their side of the argument since this is a development forum and it makes sense to keep the threads like "Help with my app code" separate from "OMGWFTBBQ!! How do I unbrick my XOOM???". Those people often refer to THE RULES saying it's against them to post questions here and to post in the General section.
I actually don't see that in the rules.
But maybe it should be. I am 'guilty' of posting a question or two here, and I even read the rules first to make sure it was the right place to post. I didn't see anything telling me not to, so I posted here, simply because I feel that the General forum section is for basic questions. In that context, I can see why people do post questions here.
So, I'd like to propose a solution that I think would make everyone happy, and would help clean up this section.
A "XOOM Hacking Help and Advanced XOOM Topics" subforum.
This would be a forum where people could ask all the questions and topics that aren't directly related to the actual development and coding process, but are more advance than most of the topics in the General XOOM subforum.
Would anyone else find this useful?
Also, devs, if there was a forum like this, would you be willing to drop in to answer questions? I know everyone here who is not a developer values your knowledge and helpful insight, which is why people ask questions here in the first place.
Thoughts?
Ive felt a bit of negativity too here. One issue is we don't have a q and a section yet. We are so early in the development cycle for the Xoom. We are building kernels and we don't even have SD slot drivers yet! This is the time for folks to kick back, relax, and enjoy their new toy. I freaking love my xoom! I am so excited for the future of this device. All the fun will come in due time. Relax guys!
I agree. I'm enjoying my XOOM a ton, and I actually visit this section more than any other because I love to see what the great minds here are cooking up for the community. But, I can understand their frustration. They're trying to get their bearings on a new device, but are also getting bombarded with questions that bury topics that are actually related to development. I also agree that some of them go overboard and should take a chill pill. It's not good to have someone get turned off from this forum and its benefits because a dev snapped at them for invading their domain and asking for help.
I voted NO. When there are enough Devs to populate this section, then it will be useful, until then you are only fragmenting the people that make up the community. Until then I would think it best that questions To the devs as well as by devs would be at home here. Many devices never even make it past this point.
I wonder how many people that have developed or are actually developing someting for the Xoom right now, have been the ones to try to enforce said non existent rules.
Yes if your willing to manage moving threads around, because for sure thats whats gonna happen
Generally NO though, In other XDA Development sub forums there are plenty of "OMG I bricked my ..." and plenty of useful developer help... since said bricking, etc usually comes along with installing someone bleeding edge hack.
I understand the want for purity but it will take strict enforcement!
No.
Having a Q&A forum would be nice though to separate all the little questions, especially those that get asked over and over and over..
Wow. Split poll data. lol.
So, I guess the 'devs' should just be nice. Fair enough. Maybe the rules should be updated to reflect what exactly is allowed and/or welcome in this forum.
"Doesn't sound like development to me."
Hi guys,
This forum was originally set-up with Windows Mobile in mind. Last few months the forum gets flooded with a lot of questions about Android, which is still in an 'early' development phase. Some questions, about GPS, Wifi, SD-card not working, have been posted numerous times and this makes the forum messy.
Some while ago I have asked admins to have a look at a dedicated Android forum, but I never got a final answer about that. It seems that Android is getting more and more popular, and therefore I think its wise to have a dedicated place for Android. So I think we really need a dedicated Android forum with clear distinction between development and user threads.
I am not sure if I am the only one that thinks this way, if not lets mobilize ourselves and get some attention from the admins to get us a nice Android forum!
Give a reply with your opinion .
I hope you mean just another section inside this forum? However, I do agree 100%, it would be nice to have an android section for us to use and flood questions in there instead.
However, the current setup is designed to allow any OS questions. Not just Windows, so I can see both sides. One, if they leave it - it leaves it open to everyone. But if they don't add sections, it could get a little messy.
I think we have to adopt the same forum format of the HD2 in the near future, I agree 100% with you, and it would be very nice to have this right now...
It's only a thing to talk with the right people here in XDA to Achieve this.
I have also informend the mods some days ago. They are aware of it and think about a solution, one have stated.
I've submitted a request to the Admins for you guys
lets see if they create a new sub section or not
AllGamer said:
I've submitted a request to the Admins for you guys
lets see if they create a new sub section or not
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Allgamer, I would really like to thank you for your help on requesting the Android forum! It worked out very quick, we now have our dedicated Android forum !!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1087
I was wondering what happened in the themes and apps subforum for the hd2, I decided to come out of the hd2 android dev forum and swing by the themes and see if there was anything new for my hd2 and shortly after being there was wondering if I was in the right forum or if they just fired the moderator because almost all of the threads I opened had nothing but irrelevant and non theme/apps discussions, I know is not from a missing moderator, they have a lot in there plate with 100s of post and threads to watch over, there's a lot of threads that should be here instead of there. Apparently a lot of the new people can't navigate to the right forum before creating a new thread that clearly shouldn't be in a forum specifically for themes and apps.
I'm sorry and I don't mean to rant but please, this goes to the newer guys that feel unsure where they need to create the thread, when they are going to post something, if you write "sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong forum" 9 out of 10 times you are in the wrong forum, so please take the time to search and ask, or send a moderator a pm if you're unsure of where you need to be so we can all help in maintaining a cleaner, more organized forum/subforums and in the same process helping each other to find what we're looking for easier.
Thanks.....RoloRacer
i don't think you are alone in this regard; i quite agree.
so many of the app threads are "where can i find this app" or "please post" or "can someone port" it gets somewhat annoying. especially as someone who has a thread that is actually a theme (and if i do say, one of the few remaining built on the hd2 that is actually being updated.)
but overall i feel like the ingenuity of hd2 as a device separate from android is near an end. for example, there is nothing special about my theme being built on an hd2; rather it is built for hdmi phones. same i assume goes for most things.
also, the fantastic themers for WM HD2 have not migrated to android. some did, but i haven't seen releases. would be interesting if more would come over.
anyways...i too find most of those threads annoying and misplaced. but in the end, if they weren't there, i am not sure really what would take their place. there really just isn't much being made on hd2s and released here in addition to the main android threads.
cheers.
Just an innocent question.
The three threads already here should be in the "Android Development" forum as they are about Android kernels.
This Forum seems redundant, or at very least lacking unique purpose.
I suggest that what's here be rolled into N7 Android Development, so that both readers and posters aren't confused about what belongs where. If not, the mods who created this forum ought to make clear -- in a sticky post -- the differentiation between what belongs in "Original Development" as opposed to "Android Development"
(.... unless someone knows something I don't, and there's a plan to port WebOS or Symbian to the N7 )
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/ - here is the announcement on the portal!!
The dev section will be full up with rom after rom after rom... Most roms will only have small differences between them... I think this is a good move from the mods... Although, it can get a bit confusing, and we now have to check another place...
Anyway, I suggest you try to get this moved to q+a, as it isn't "original development"...
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@Mods: Is this forum needed
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@OP: Is this thread needed?
I some what agree with the OP. Only because this is a nexus device. So wouldn't almost 95% of all development for a nexus device "original development"? I could see this for the Samsung Touchwiz or HTC Sense device threads, because alot of those roms are just .zip hack jobs.
I concur with OP on this forum... It is basically just another dev forum, except now instead of 1, I need to watch 2 forums. Not really a big deal, just more of an irritance. Seems like the same thing could be accomplished by a regularly updated Sticky topic in regular Development that tracked all notable software for the Nexus 7 without needing a superfluous forum.
Maybe the android dev thread could be in the Original android dev thread? Like on android central.
I kinda like how you can sorta find what your looking for... but it seems quite confusing also at least for a while .. watching two forums now .. ugh
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http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/ - here is the announcement on the portal!!
The dev section will be full up with rom after rom after rom... Most roms will only have small differences between them...
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Well, that defines the first three threads in this forum, all about slightly-derivative kernels, yet are here because the devs think they're original. So I'm not the only one who hasn't read the split rationale.
What this particular split represents is a choice of two forums based on a totally subjective criteria -- whether it's "original enough". Will there be a litmus test -- like what percent of AOSP has to be replaced -- before something is considered "original"? And how does that split really help people find what they want in terms of features, maturity, etc.
I agree that splitting up a crowded dev forum is a good thing to do, but believe that doing it based on "level of originality" is a recipe for confusion and needless police-work for mods. Why not consider something more straightforward and easier to categorize? One possible alternative could be
ROMs
Kernels (and basebands where appropriate)
Root/booting
HOWTOS and requests for help (both from devs and users)
That would make it easier for devs, mods and users.
Yeah, I find this setup a bit confusing too, honestly.
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ROMs
Kernels (and basebands where appropriate)
Root/booting
HOWTOS and requests for help (both from devs and users)
That would make it easier for devs, mods and users.
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I'm lovin that idea. If were gonna have mountains of dev stuff, the more organized, the better.
Firstly, you don't start a thread in a Dev section to ask a question, ever.
Secondly, the decision to add 'Original Development' sections to devices that have or are expected to have very active development was taken by the forum Admins, not the Forum-Specific Moderators.
So you would be far better off posing the question to them, either in this section or even in this thread.
Beyond that, given how new the Nexus 7 is, it's extremely premature to conclude that the Original Development section will be a waste of space.
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Firstly, you don't start a thread in a Dev section to ask a question, ever.
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Sorry. No offense intended.
Step666 said:
Secondly, the decision to add 'Original Development' sections to devices that have or are expected to have very active development was taken by the forum Admins, not the Forum-Specific Moderators. So you would be far better off posing the question to them, either in this section or even in this thread.
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Done.