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Hi, I have noticed a problem and I was wondering if others could check if their phones do it or if I need a replacement.
When texting on the hardware keypad the response is rather slow, but more importantly it gets the keypresses out of order! Specifically, the order that I pressed the space key (0). If I text slowly this is not an issue, but if I blast away then I can consistently observe it make the same mistake. Here is my test:
In XT9 mode, start a new text message and type 'it going' really fast. This key sequence is 48046464
If I am texting fast, my Touch Dual will consistently enter 'hug mini', which is 48406464
Note that the space is one place too late.
This happens all the time with any other word combinations, and is worse when the device is stressed. I have no other running programs, I have not flashed from the stock Orange ROM, I have tried a hard reset and I AM typing correctly
Oh, a point of interest, if I train myself to type double spaces then it works, and only single spaces are written! Of course if I slow down though I see double spaces.
So, anyone else (preferably with the Orange ROM but all answers appreciated) have this problem?
I have exactly same problem. It is very, very annoying..
I don't have the Orange rom, I have original swedish rom, but I have the same problem. the most annoying thing is that I can't type as fast as a can, because of the delay.
i just tried this, no problem here. also, the space on mine is the # key.
im using toms rom also.
i typed it out really fast. there was a slight delay till the words showed up but it showed up as what it was supposed to.
have u tried the HTC Update?
There's been notices that that problem was fixed (or at least didn't happened so frequently)
I tried downloading it from HTC e-Club, but no difference.
The hotfix didn't help me, but I have made progress to solving this problem. It seems that the stock Orange ROM is just rubbish, I reflashed with a custom WM 6.1 ROM and it is much better. If I stress the device by doing lots of things at the same time then I can still make the error appear, but texting is actually bearable now when playing mp3s.
It's a shame I haven't uncovered the root cause of the problem. I refuse to believe it is in the Windows Mobile core so it must be something HTC have done to it. Do they have a different SMS composer or something?
Hello guys!
Just got my Epic a few weeks ago to replace the old Moment.
Unfortunately.. I like everything about the phone except the main reason I got it over the Evo.. the keyboard. It seems to drop keys a lot, and I know for a fact I pressed them.
For example I can open up a text and type "lalalalalalalalalalalala" and it will drop a l or a or two. It's extremely annoying, the main reason I opted for the keyboard was for good accuracy when replying to emails for work..
As anyone else experienced this issue? Is this a software glitch or is hardware related? If this is a hardware problem.. I will be trading in for the Evo since I'm still within my 30 days.... not to mention the much better support Evo has for updates.. oh and my Network Based Location doesn't work.. wth really? So no location based app can find me with the real gps off. Why couldn't it of been HTC Epic 4g..
Anyways any input on the hardware keyboard would be greatly appreciated.
Sadly, this is a issue with the Epic's keyboard.
All of the Epic's i've played with have this problem, and I think its a combination of hardware and software.
Typing very quickly will cause it to lag and skip a few letters. You have to slow down about 2seconds and it will be fine.
Yeah, I was in the IRC talking to some people and it came off that its a known issue, happens in recovery to (although not quite as bad).. must be a hardware issue.. very disappointing considering the selling point to this phone over the evo is the keyboard mainly.
Does the keyboard have a buffer setting in the kernel somewhere? Maybe a seasoned developer would know haha, my gut tells me this is a buffer issue, you type to fast the buffer will fill up, and a letter or two will drop. Seems logical..
Is it possible that it doesnt deal with "multi touch" well. I know thats a soft keyboard term but typing to fast on the hard keyboard could surface issues if you have not fully depressed the previous key when typing fast???
Just a thought
mikeschevelle said:
Is it possible that it doesnt deal with "multi touch" well. I know thats a soft keyboard term but typing to fast on the hard keyboard could surface issues if you have not fully depressed the previous key when typing fast???
Just a thought
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IF I hit the A and S key at the same time it properly puts in "as"..when I slide "asdfghjkl" it misses a few characters..its not too big of an issue for me as I don't type that fast but there is definitely something :/
Out of curiosity I also tested the same thing on an Samsung Intercept..and Intercept is not effected..
Seems like my keyboard has gotten worse over time. I can't type a word without missing a letter. Really annoying.
I have the same problem with mine. I figured it's a hardware issue and not really so much an issue with lag. I can hit a key and it just won't show up period so that's not lag.
I'm glad I don't type that fast.
It does it to me whether typing fast or not. Every time I send a text I allot myself time for corrections because I know every time it misses 1-2 letters. It's pretty annoying. Not only that but i'm constantly getting unsent txt errors with this phone...never had that problem before.
Ever since ditching Swype for Ultra keyboard I haven't had this problem. I have it enabled so that its auto correct system works for the physical keyboard as well.
I've also had this problem. Very annoying especially being a fast typer. I feel like it is mostly a software issue too. It would be nice to have one of the great developers here take a look into it. This is my biggest problem with the epic.
Yeah it is particularly sad, especially considering that phones like the G1, Motorolas Devour & Cliq (*Puke, my old phone*) as well as other mid-range phones could type flawlessly. Yet one of the best phones in the world IMHO and you can't even type as fast as you'd like.
I'd also like to start a bounty for this soon, I'd be glad to donate to any developer that tracked down the issue and abolished it. (Unless its a hardware issue, in which case were just screwed.)
I am starting to get it as well. Seems to be a known issue but very annoying. If it gets any worse I am just going to get a single piece phone case and say goodbye to the keyboard forever. Sucks to say it but there is no point in using a keyboard that is inaccurate to the point that I need to go back and correct things when I know I typed it correctly the first time
Could it have anything to do with the fact that our keyboards can handle multiple key presses at once? No other phone I have ever had could handle pressing multiple keys at the same time. It might just be an issue of not fully letting go of the previous key when the next key is hit. Or there might be a small delay after a keypress where the phone is waiting to see if another key is going to be pressed in combination to alter the consequences of said key press.
Yeah I noticed I need to slow down. I come from the touch pro 2s sick keyboard.
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Gotta say I was having the same problem... then someone here said to try ultra keyboard... and for some reason it has stopped missing the keys.. so I do believe it is more of a software problem. I am on the 24 hour trial and so far it works.
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I personally believe this is a software buffer issue with this particular keyboard.
Every physical keyboard needs a buffer, even on your PC. I think if we could increase the buffer on our Epic's keyboard driver which is built into the kernel we could alleviate this problem.
If a actual Dev would be willing to check it out that would be awesome! Not sure if Froyo still has this problem.
I agree with the disappointment... my Moment never missed a beat texting with the keyboard or writing an email, my Epic with all of its potential drops the ball in this department currently.
I hope it can be fixed. And no the solution is NOT to type slower..
I disabled the swype keyboard and it seems to have helped the issue. Maybe its just me? I am running the normal android on screen keyboard with swype unchecked in my settings
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Could it have anything to do with the fact that our keyboards can handle multiple key presses at once? No other phone I have ever had could handle pressing multiple keys at the same time. It might just be an issue of not fully letting go of the previous key when the next key is hit. Or there might be a small delay after a keypress where the phone is waiting to see if another key is going to be pressed in combination to alter the consequences of said key press.
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no its not the problem..I did a test by pressing both "a" and "s" key at same time and it registered as "as"..if that was the problem it wouldn't have registered that
Bigjim1488 said:
I disabled the swype keyboard and it seems to have helped the issue. Maybe its just me? I am running the normal android on screen keyboard with swype unchecked in my settings
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I just disabled swype and did the "asdfghjkl" test and it worked flawlessly...I then re-enabled swype and it still worked fine :/ (running the dj29 froyo rom)..we may need more testing into this I guess?
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I disabled the swype keyboard and it seems to have helped the issue. Maybe its just me? I am running the normal android on screen keyboard with swype unchecked in my settings
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Sometimes I use swype whenever I need to type a short message. It's the best of both worlds. Sad if you need to disable one of the features just to get the keyboard to work properly.
EDIT: Look at the fail rate when typing ab for a solid minute on my KB:
Abababababababababaababababababababababababaabababababababababababababababababababbaababaababababababababababababababababababaabababababababababbabababbababbabababababbabaababaabbababaababababababababababababababababababbaabababababababaababababaababababaabababababababaabababababababababababaabababababababaababababaababababababababaabababababababababababababbabababababababababababababababababaababababb
This is with swype disabled.
Hi,
I have a problem every now and then on my focus that is pretty annoying and I wanted to see if anyone else has experienced this. Every now and then when typing something on my phone it will just hang for a second a ND completely miss like 3 or 4 letters completely. Ive also seen it hang a couple times with the letter above like I'm pressing it, and then it doesn't even type out that letter. Ive gotten a replacement phone already and I've seen it happen on my new one too. Its really annoying because I like this phone and wp7 a lot but it just annoys me to think this could happen at any time.
Mine was doing the same thing, but I thought it was because of the microsd card that i inserted
I have had minor hang-ups as well. I assume it is a small bug when the phone is uploading all the previous texts. It will probably be addressed in the new updates coming in january and february. You might want to clear your text conversations too.
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I have had minor hang-ups as well. I assume it is a small bug when the phone is uploading all the previous texts. It will probably be addressed in the new updates coming in january and february. You might want to clear your text conversations too.
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Yeah I assumed its some kind of garbage clean up that's causing it, I don't think I'll return the phone because it happens somewhat rarely. Is there an official place to give MS feedback on stuff like this?
In the past few days, my keyboard has been acting up. I've been using Smart Keyboard pro since the day I got my phone and LOVED it, but for the past few days, it's been acting the bollix. Basically, I could be pressing the delete button for maybe 4 or 5 times, and it would enter 2 z's and delete 3 charachters?
I thought that it might just be the keyboard, so I switched to the default one, and it did happen, but not as much. I have just installed the Gingerbread Keyboard from the market, and it seems to be working ok, but it's still annoying. Anyone else had any problems with their keyboard entering random letters?
Nhialor said:
In the past few days, my keyboard has been acting up. I've been using Smart Keyboard pro since the day I got my phone and LOVED it, but for the past few days, it's been acting the bollix. Basically, I could be pressing the delete button for maybe 4 or 5 times, and it would enter 2 z's and delete 3 charachters?
I thought that it might just be the keyboard, so I switched to the default one, and it did happen, but not as much. I have just installed the Gingerbread Keyboard from the market, and it seems to be working ok, but it's still annoying. Anyone else had any problems with their keyboard entering random letters?
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Mine always put full stops outta nowhere its.like.its gone nuts or something..
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Nhialor said:
In the past few days, my keyboard has been acting up. I've been using Smart Keyboard pro since the day I got my phone and LOVED it, but for the past few days, it's been acting the bollix. Basically, I could be pressing the delete button for maybe 4 or 5 times, and it would enter 2 z's and delete 3 charachters?
I thought that it might just be the keyboard, so I switched to the default one, and it did happen, but not as much. I have just installed the Gingerbread Keyboard from the market, and it seems to be working ok, but it's still annoying. Anyone else had any problems with their keyboard entering random letters?
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Try removing the factory installed screen protector... it does wonders for touch sensitivity and brightness of the screen. I highly recommend it.
Frogybloop said:
Try removing the factory installed screen protector... it does wonders for touch sensitivity and brightness of the screen. I highly recommend it.
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already done that
I too have had this problem twice now.
The first fix was to install Gingerbread Keyboard and it seemed to fix.
Then i had the same problem again (If i pressed "p" it would also press "t" and pressing "delete" would also press "c") and fixed it by cleaning the screen with a wet wipe.
The problem for me when it happens is basically when you press the right hand side of the screen in landscape mode, it also think you are pressing the middle of the screen at the same time.
Its only happened twice so im not all that bothered.
Try cleaning the screen with wet wipe and see if it fixes.
I've been using swype...and as cool and innovative as it is...I'm always having to double our triple check my text msgs and posts...lately I've been having to correct my corrections..its a bit ridiculous so I'm trying to get into the habit if reading what I type every few words..
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I just posted a thread about a multitouch issue on the xperia play. I think it may be causing your problems. It may not make sense what I am saying right now but if you read my thread it might make sense.
Basically when you are typing fast you will definitely have 2 touch points on the keyboard. and the Xperia Play is counting more than 2 touch points. So your third touch maybe registered as a 3rd finger.
Here is my post if you want to take a look
OK. I've just cleaned the screen with a wet wipe. I'm going to post this message and leave it if it makes any incorrect entries.
Seems to have worked. I will now try landscape orientation.
OK, so portrait seems to have worked well enough. I'm trying out the landscape input now. Seems to be working. I was kinda worried about this problem, but cleaning the screen seems to have sorted it out.
Also, I have installed swype, but I do not really like it. Its awkward. I used to love it on my WinMo 6.1 phone (Omnia) however, I do not feel that i should be restricted to what keyboard I can use because of the phone not responding to input properly.
Back to portrait, OK. Seems to have worked. Nope, its doing it again now. Dunno why?
Stress
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I have a question.
Is this problem consistent like it happens every single time or does it come and go?
I personally use swype and I love it. I have not had this problem yet.
It's not a software problem, it is hardware.
When mine has had the problem, it does it on stock keyboard, chinese keyboard and gingerbread keyboard.
Basically, for me, when i touch the furthermost right hand side of the screen in landscape mode, it also registers as touching in the middle of the screen too.
Well it only started happening in the past few days. I'm gonna reflash back to 2.3.3 stock and see does that fix the issues. If not what's everyone's suggestions?
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I just posted a thread about a multitouch issue on the xperia play. I think it may be causing your problems. It may not make sense what I am saying right now but if you read my thread it might make sense.
Basically when you are typing fast you will definitely have 2 touch points on the keyboard. and the Xperia Play is counting more than 2 touch points. So your third touch maybe registered as a 3rd finger.
Here is my post if you want to take a look
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Tried to replicate this problem using the stock keyboard, and couldn't get the problem to happen.
So i'm not the only one who is having this problem?
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Tried to replicate this problem using the stock keyboard, and couldn't get the problem to happen.
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Well that was just my theory to the OP. The multitouch problem does exist but I thought the problems with the OP's keyboard was related to this. Turns out its not.
I flashed CM7 and haven't experienced this problem yet, but I'm sure I will at some stage... *sigh*
I noticed that some patterns of typing consistently fail to properly register letters, in particular, words like "college" and "coming," particularly when there are letters nearby on the keyboard. Type as fast as you can and as accurately as you can and maybe you'll see what I mean.
I loaded Swype on my Nexus and it appears what the behavior is doing is that it is viewing the fast presses as a sort of dragging behavior. Swiftkey ameliorates this somewhat due to the way it handles typing errors, although it's too buggy for me to use. Typing fast on Swype produces almost incomprehensible results, while stock keyboard tends to omit a lot of letters.
Is anyone else getting this? Anyone know of any possible way to fix this? Is this a hardware issue? Using the multitouch app there doesn't appear to be any anomalies that I am aware of, and no, this is not the deadzone issue where turning the screen off/on temporarily fixes it (although I do get that).
I am getting increasingly frustrated with this device.
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I noticed that some patterns of typing consistently fail to properly register letters, in particular, words like "college" and "coming," particularly when there are letters nearby on the keyboard. Type as fast as you can and as accurately as you can and maybe you'll see what I mean.
I loaded Swype on my Nexus and it appears what the behavior is doing is that it is viewing the fast presses as a sort of dragging behavior. Swiftkey ameliorates this somewhat due to the way it handles typing errors, although it's too buggy for me to use. Typing fast on Swype produces almost incomprehensible results, while stock keyboard tends to omit a lot of letters.
Is anyone else getting this? Anyone know of any possible way to fix this? Is this a hardware issue? Using the multitouch app there doesn't appear to be any anomalies that I am aware of, and no, this is not the deadzone issue where turning the screen off/on temporarily fixes it (although I do get that).
I am getting increasingly frustrated with this device.
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I think I've figured out part of my problem--the touch screen is so sensitive, it will register my touch even if my finger is close enough but isn't actually touching it! Wow! Anyone know of a fix for this?
Drapetomania said:
I think I've figured out part of my problem--the touch screen is so sensitive, it will register my touch even if my finger is close enough but isn't actually touching it! Wow! Anyone know of a fix for this?
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I have screenshots showing the dev mode options demonstrating what is going on but the forum won't let me post links.
Just tried typing college with zero issues. Elephantitus of the thumbs?
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You may want to try locking the device and then unlocking it. One unconfirmed theory is that the touchscreen calibrates capacitance when it is turned on. More than once it has helped me when the display either seems to be missing touch points or if it is is too sensitive.
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BTW, SwiftKey received an update yesterday and it is now much, much, MUCH better. No more bugs.
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Just tried typing college with zero issues. Elephantitus of the thumbs?
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I obviously considered that. The device seems to be too sensitive, if my thumbs are something like a millimeter away from the screen so some very very short gap it'll still read it as there being finger contact. I'm rather amazed at that level of sensitivity, but that clearly is no good for typing where your fingers may hover a very small distance over the keyboard when typing going over to different keys.
Don't just type it once. Keep typing it ("coming" gets better results for me") over and over again and you'll notice that most specifically the o gets omitted because it's reading it as a swipe down towards "m"; the stock keyboard not registering keypresses if you slide off the key.(swype does obviously which is why this issue gets even worse, and swiftkey is just pure magic and corrects for this to some extent).
When I get enough posts I'll post the screen shots. It's clear by the fact that the dev console is showing a lot of the swipe line to be dark purple, which I think means that very very little pressure is being put on it, or something (maybe one of you will understand it better than I will). Additionally some of the line geometry may seem suspect and may indicate other problems, I'm not sure.
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BTW, SwiftKey received an update yesterday and it is now much, much, MUCH better. No more bugs.
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if it has corrected the bugs for stuff like facebook where I can't submit responses and the weird backspace bug I was getting then I'm definitely going back to that. It's not perfect but it does the job better than the other two keyboards I've tried due to this odd issue.
IS there a way to turn sensitivity down? I want to see if that helps. This tablet is, in theory, very very nice for the price, but due to all the odd issues...
I may end up RMAing it as I get the touchscreen connection bug anyway, but I'm waiting a few months for that because I don't want to risk getting a tablet with worse issues; this one doesn't have any left-side glass issues for example.
I was going to create the same thread.. same issue here. I KNOW for sure my typing is accurate. Unless I type slow, there are letters not getting displayed. Kind of annoying. Wish I had a bluetooth keyboard to try out.
I have similar issues.
I am using a favorite, Thumb keyboard.
Rob
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Drapetomania said:
I noticed that some patterns of typing consistently fail to properly register letters, in particular, words like "college" and "coming," particularly when there are letters nearby on the keyboard. Type as fast as you can and as accurately as you can and maybe you'll see what I mean.
I loaded Swype on my Nexus and it appears what the behavior is doing is that it is viewing the fast presses as a sort of dragging behavior. Swiftkey ameliorates this somewhat due to the way it handles typing errors, although it's too buggy for me to use. Typing fast on Swype produces almost incomprehensible results, while stock keyboard tends to omit a lot of letters.
Is anyone else getting this? Anyone know of any possible way to fix this? Is this a hardware issue? Using the multitouch app there doesn't appear to be any anomalies that I am aware of, and no, this is not the deadzone issue where turning the screen off/on temporarily fixes it (although I do get that).
I am getting increasingly frustrated with this device.
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Totally understand what you're talking about.
Tying in portrait mode using the standard keyboard was driving me absolutely bonkers.
I turned off typing sounds, and it seems to have made the situation slightly more bearable. Typing "college" is fine, still struggling with "coming". Space key sometimes doesn't register between words.
Yep, landed on this thread cause I was also searching if others had this problem. I'm on CM10, which I think has the same keyboard as stock?
I've been using Swype for a while on my phone, and it used to behave like this, but Swype is for swiping. The latest version (regressed version numbers back to 1.xx) fixes this, but screws up other things (which are OT for this thread, but check the Swype forums for many complaints).