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http://x7501.com -- not many users yet. Also includes the x7500. This might be a harbinger of a growing community, now that this is officially out in the US.
I am on, nice forum, hope it grows!
How many community sites do we need?
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How many community sites do we need?
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Actually, I rather agree with this - I would rather check just one site.....
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Maybe we need a place where someone can ask a question without worrying about being called an idiot. Good information on this forum, but not very inviting. If the x7501 blows up someday, I can't see this forum helping all the people who will have the same questions we had a couple months back. -- "Search, moron!" is not so helpful. The Wizard XDA forum was a nice place to visit, but the Athena forum not so much.
But answering the same questions is even more annoying if you have to do that on many boards. If we limits the number of sites, we limit the number of "stupid question".
And you can't get people to behave even if you use more sites. I agree that "search, stupid" is not a good answer at all.
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Maybe we need a place where someone can ask a question without worrying about being called an idiot. Good information on this forum, but not very inviting. If the x7501 blows up someday, I can't see this forum helping all the people who will have the same questions we had a couple months back. -- "Search, moron!" is not so helpful. The Wizard XDA forum was a nice place to visit, but the Athena forum not so much.
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If people are told to search, it is so as to not waste everyone else's time when the exact same question has been answered before and there is a very powerful search engine (whether the vbulletin engine or Google) and where there is a growing wiki and where there is a sticky on each thread which asks you to do so. Is that unreasonable?
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I wonder about that myself. But I guess that site would be for the regular users that want to ask the same questions over and over. The site does look interesting, but I would not want to deal with the same questions over and over. I guess we will see how it turns out.
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If people are told to search, it is so as to not waste everyone else's time when the exact same question has been answered before and there is a very powerful search engine (whether the vbulletin engine or Google) and where there is a growing wiki and where there is a sticky on each thread which asks you to do so. Is that unreasonable?
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As I have said before:
* Some threads have many pages, and it can be challenging to find the answer you need.
* Have you looked at the Wiki lately? If this were actually "growing", I would find your answer more compelling.
That being said, some people are just lazy. Granted. But if can be challenging to find the information you need.
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As I have said before:
* Some threads have many pages, and it can be challenging to find the answer you need.
* Have you looked at the Wiki lately? If this were actually "growing", I would find your answer more compelling.
That being said, some people are just lazy. Granted. But if can be challenging to find the information you need.
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I have no comment on the new site. It may be a good thing, time will tell.
* "Some threads have many pages..."...this will happen to your forum as time goes on, it's a forum.
* Good point on the Wiki. I think it stalled because there wasn't progress or development going on with the device. Now that we have devices in the hands of the developers the Wiki should come to life. Why not post this significant concern as a topic? Mackaby posted his concern about stalls in development for the Athena. He started a movement and reinforced the foundation in place thus making it stronger for the community, sparking more interest and accomplishing a goal that only a few believed in. The Wiki does need work, let's start a movement and get it fixed. As a group we accomplished the feat of getting TWO very expensive devices for developers to spark development. Getting the Wiki going is free and I'm sure we can get the ball rolling on this once we bring attention to it. I'm glad you mentioned this bro!
* Maybe your site will be a good entry point for newbies. When they graduate they come to xda-developers.com and play with the big boys.
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I have no comment on the new site. It may be a good thing, time will tell.
* "Some threads have many pages..."...this will happen to your forum as time goes on, it's a forum.
* Good point on the Wiki. I think it stalled because there wasn't progress or development going on with the device. Now that we have devices in the hands of the developers the Wiki should come to life. Why not post this significant concern as a topic? Mackaby posted his concern about stalls in development for the Athena. He started a movement and reinforced the foundation in place thus making it stronger for the community, sparking more interest and accomplishing a goal that only a few believed in. The Wiki does need work, let's start a movement and get it fixed. As a group we accomplished the feat of getting TWO very expensive devices for developers to spark development. Getting the Wiki going is free and I'm sure we can get the ball rolling on this once we bring attention to it. I'm glad you mentioned this bro!
* Maybe your site will be a good entry point for newbies. When they graduate they come to xda-developers.com and play with the big boys.
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Just to clarify, I have no affiliation whatsoever with the new site, other than a registered user.
Agree, work on Wiki would be helpful. I'll try to help. But in my experience, they do tend to languish...
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I have no comment on the new site. It may be a good thing, time will tell.
* "Some threads have many pages..."...this will happen to your forum as time goes on, it's a forum.
* Good point on the Wiki. I think it stalled because there wasn't progress or development going on with the device. Now that we have devices in the hands of the developers the Wiki should come to life. Why not post this significant concern as a topic? Mackaby posted his concern about stalls in development for the Athena. He started a movement and reinforced the foundation in place thus making it stronger for the community, sparking more interest and accomplishing a goal that only a few believed in. The Wiki does need work, let's start a movement and get it fixed. As a group we accomplished the feat of getting TWO very expensive devices for developers to spark development. Getting the Wiki going is free and I'm sure we can get the ball rolling on this once we bring attention to it. I'm glad you mentioned this bro!
* Maybe your site will be a good entry point for newbies. When they graduate they come to xda-developers.com and play with the big boys.
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Well said.
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Just to clarify, I have no affiliation whatsoever with the new site, other than a registered user.
Agree, work on Wiki would be helpful. I'll try to help. But in my experience, they do tend to languish...
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Ah, I thought it was your site. LOL, sorry.
I like the way the colors are easy on the eyes and how the threads are seperated with dividers. Made my eyes feel better
Let's get all the senior people involved and developers and get the Wiki updated. Right now my time is VERY limited because I'm slammed at work but if we work in shifts, i'm sure we can pull it off. Let's get Midget involved and others. The Wiki is where we should be referring all newbies to if it were updated. It should be the repository of knowledge which excludes all the BS in the looooooooooooong threads you mentioned. If we update the Wiki and do our job as a community, maybe it'll cut down on the crap being posted. Furthermore, we can reply with please read the Wiki first (which should be easy), second search and third come back and we'll be glad to help you out, that's what this forum is all about.
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Ah, I thought it was your site. LOL, sorry.
I like the way the colors are easy on the eyes and how the threads are seperated with dividers. Made my eyes feel better
Let's get all the senior people involved and developers and get the Wiki updated. Right now my time is VERY limited because I'm slammed at work but if we work in shifts, i'm sure we can pull it off. Let's get Midget involved and others. The Wiki is where we should be referring all newbies to if it were updated. It should be the repository of knowledge which excludes all the BS in the looooooooooooong threads you mentioned. If we update the Wiki and do our job as a community, maybe it'll cut down on the crap being posted. Furthermore, we can reply with please read the Wiki first (which should be easy), second search and third come back and we'll be glad to help you out, that's what this forum is all about.
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Nice approach. This is reasonable.
competition should be always welcomed.
Hi guys and gals, first I'll introduce myself properly. My name is Chris, I'm 22 and live near leeds in england. I'm currently setting up a small blog interviewing android developers to give the general public a little look into the life of a developer. My aim is to try and help people realise that developers however great or small have a life beyond programming. It will also help advertise work created by some of the lesser known devs out there.
Currently I have only interviewed one developer and am uploading that at some point today, but I do have a list of others I intend to speak with.
I've even had a suggestion from one of those developers to interview an XDA moderator, to show you guys how much junk they have to put up with and clean on a regular basis to help give you the nice friendly happy community we have now. (Mikey, your name was mentioned but any mod can participate)
So without further ado, the blog address is interviewing-devs.blogspot.com
As a comic twist to the whole thing, I intend to do the whole thing from my G1 which is proving a little complicated as I seem to be getting a few FC errors with androblogger, and the blogger website looks a little funky on the G1.
As a quick note, there is no profit to be made by myself doing this, but I will be placing donation links for each developer interviewed.
So, if you're a dev and want to join in, let me know. If you know a dev and would like to see an interview, let them know about me and get them to contact me
Code:
Interview with Maxisma online now
Many thanks to all the devs on my list so far for making this whole thing possible, and also a huge thanks to everybody here for having a community worth joining.
You should interview the Wrecking Crew to show what we have to put up with too.
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You should interview the Wrecking Crew to show what we have to put up with too.
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Mornin supreme.
And also interview some complete noobs to find out what the whole developer scene looks like from their pov.
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Mornin supreme.
And also interview some complete noobs to find out what the whole developer scene looks like from their pov.
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Mornin I sent you a shout out in another post. It looks like it's gonna be me and you and codini today. Gridlock told me he ain't gonna be on til like 8 tonight. I think he just don't want to get flamed like friday.
Interviewing devs is nice but if you want to catch the entire view of the G1 hacking/modding/rooting whatever term you want to use world. Then you need the point of view from new users, seniors, and devs. Remember devs don't deal with problems unless the problem effects alot of people and is verified by themselves or people he trusts. Also there wouldn't be an interest in a dev's interview without the masses following his work. Get those interviews first so you can ask the correct, hard hitting questions to the devs.
Thanks for the feedback. I'm at work at the moment but once I get home, Maxisma's interview will be posted, and I'll move onto another dev. At the moment probably the biggest names I have are Cyanogen and manup456. I did ask haykuro but he hasn't got back to me, and I'm still asking other devs.
Your constructive critisism is greatly appreciated, and ideas taken on board
Ladies and Gents, the second interview is underway, and you're all going to be surprised at who I'm speaking to. Keep watching this space for more news. Hopefully I'll get everything asked and answered before Monday, but due to a time difference of several hours there may be a delay, just depends if my dev and I can get online at the same time.
But anyway, provided everything goes well, it should be finished by Monday for your reading pleasure.
If you have any questions you wish to ask a dev not already interviewed, let me know and I'll add it to my list
Sorry if this is completely irrelevant in every way shape and form, but I'm from a community of people who own Samsung Wave smart phones who would really like to own an Android port due to the horrendous support for Bada by Samsung and complete and total lack of applications.
We have a working Froyo 2.2 port on the device which many have copied to their phones with success. A few developers have worked on it, Olek_k from XDA was working on it, passed it over to Rebellos. However, we currently have no working modem, camera or battery sensor and they are having trouble with Kernel development. Rebellos says that he thinks he's collected enough info to write a modem driver, but he is having problems with the kernel and the project has stalled. We've seen the amazing progress that has been made with this project, being passed down from person to person and there is a huge community of people who would like to experience android on their Bada handsets. I am no developer myself and a lot of us aren't, but the project has stalled and it'd be a real shame for so much progress to be lost. Do you know of anyone or are you yourself a developer of HD2 Android? All of us at badaforums.net and those in the Bada section at XDA are eager to see progress on the project. We do have developers, but they need aid in an area that they do not know well.
Please don't take this as a demanding request, I'm simply asking if you know of anyone who could help compile an android kernel (I'm not sure of the detail you'd have to ask the developers themselves) with the help of the current devs. We'd be hugely greatful if you could co-operate and help us out, because I know many who would absolutely adore android on their crippled Wave smartphones.
I sent a message similar to this to the admin of the Android ROMs site (http://android.hd2roms.com/) to see if they had any ideas about someone who could help. If you didn't know already, the wave is only available outside of the US, I don't know if anyone in the US can help with the development without the phone, you'd have to ask Rebellos or one of the other devs from the topic.
Below are some links where the discussions are;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1118436&page=260
http://www.badaforums.net/forums/android-porting/porting-android-s8500-wave-t5464.html
I am a noob at XDA and I haven't tried the port myself as of yet, but I love my Wave and no one has made the jump to reach to the awesome HD2 porting community yet, so I thought I'd try.
Please contact me in this topic, via PM, or contact Rebellos or any of the other developers in the topic if you, or someone you know can help out.
Thanks very much, again, sorry if this is in the wrong place.
- Ross
+1 as a HD2 and Wave user. Help us please!
Damn, no one else has noticed the post :/
Oh well, I'll be patient and just hope that people aren't ignoring the post lol.
Pins, do you know of someone who was at the head of the project? I'm pretty clueless, I'll do some digging.
They will, just give them time.
You might want to consider getting the XDA admin's incharge of the news, to publish this, since this is really going to go un-noticed by the majority of developers. Some good might come out of it. All the best. I remembered waiting (and I am sure many other HD2 users too) for the Android port and then WP7 port for HD2... it seemed like a long wait, but eventually it is done
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Yeah man, thanks. I was just being impatient. Really don't want to come off as an arsehole because a lot of people in the bada-android forum got pissed due to trolls, when there are, infact a lot of people who are nice and genuine who are eager to see the port.
And I will have a look to see if I can do that erlern, but do you think they will really listen to someone with like, under 10 posts? xD I mean, they might, but however funny that noob video was, they don't seem to be particularly keen on them. We'll see.
erlern is right maybe its better to write the admins at news
Hi rayze! Erlern is right come to think of it, the admins handling the news section can post about this on the front page.
Also on the title of the post amend it to this "Help needed to build drivers into kernel" then maybe the developers of this thread may pay more attention too.
Also post this on the android development thread of HD2 since this is the Q&A section which has more to do with everyday use of the hd2.
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Hi rayze! Erlern is right come to think of it, the admins handling the news section can post about this on the front page.
Also on the title of the post amend it to this "Help needed to build drivers into kernel" then maybe the developers of this thread may pay more attention too.
Also post this on the android development thread of HD2 since this is the Q&A section which has more to do with everyday use of the hd2.
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Advice taken my friend, will do all of that.
Have sent a request for the appeal to be posted in the news.
the ball seems to be rolling again :-D
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the ball seems to be rolling again :-D
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Well someone needed to try to get people's attention
No one else seemed to bother doing it, so I thought, why not. Don't think I've posted in HD2 main yet, but might have. Struggling to remember really.
Oh yeah, no I didn't because I need more posts xD I only have 7 lol.
Unfortunately us Wave modders are probably one of the smallest communities in this entire forum, we might get noticed, but it's getting people to help that will be the highest hurdle. It's a shame really, you'd expect many more people to buy this phone when you can pick it up now at cpw for £99.
I really respect how those developers devote so much time on making better software for our phones, and in most cases they just want a thank you at the end.
I am so happy to see this at the front page of XDA!
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/help-get-android-fully-working-on-samsungs-bada-devices/
Really hope to see Android on Waves! Glad to have contributed in a small way Keep the faith guys!
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I am so happy to see this at the front page of XDA!
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/help-get-android-fully-working-on-samsungs-bada-devices/
Really hope to see Android on Waves! Glad to have contributed in a small way Keep the faith guys!
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Thanks for telling me man!
Spreading the news at Badaforums!
I will also now make a post in the main HD2 development section.
Hey guys,
First let me go through the back story : recently I was on a different phone... and had to watch a TON of drama between a dev team and a single dev... COMPLETELY destroyed my views on this forum board and was about to just bail and say screw it all, due to this being my 3rd android device and the same team over the span of 4 years have caused the same amount of drama on all 3 devices and nothing has happened to them.
Now fast forward :
Someone told me about the OPO, so of course I googled some reviews, and then come here and see how much support was actually being given. And i said "you know what, ill just lay low, not be a fan of any devs so if/when drama breaks out I'm not biased" ... I have been amazed to how drama free this device's development teams are. THANK YOU. THANK YOU! THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!!! You all work so hard, you help each other, and you do it all for free! This is what makes a great community. I just hope that "earlier stated dev team" does not make their way over here..... as it will only lead to drama.
All a recap, every single one of you, devs, testers, and end users, are awesome. And I just wanted to say thank you, and lets keep this community for the OPO a great one.
Great speech man!This is the way to go!
For drama visit the Oppo one+ official forums... lol
Yeah support is pretty good here
Thank you to all who have helped me over the years on XDA. And thank you to all the DEVs for your hard work and efforts. I will be leaving the community indefinitely just as soon as @MikeChannon receives and processes my request for full account removal. Many of you have been great and a few of you have not. Those few unfortunately have outweighed the many. Incessant *****ing and rude behavior have played a major role in this decision. XDA is not what it used to be, and while I'd like to say it is getting better, it is not. The current internet generation of "give me give me give because I'm entitled" is just downright unpleasant. All links, and contributions that have been shared by me site wide over the years are now inactive. I wish you all the best in your Android endeavors.
Only way to stay afloat is to ignore the negative n annoying.
It sometimes seems like it's the majority.. but there are some good users out there.. just like you. Sad to see you go.. would like you stay (but I get it).
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Thank you to all who have helped me over the years on XDA. And thank you to all the DEVs for your hard work and efforts. I will be leaving the community indefinitely just as soon as @MikeChannon receives and processes my request for full account removal. Many of you have been great and a few of you have not. Those few unfortunately have outweighed the many. Incessant *****ing and rude behavior have played a major role in this decision. XDA is not what it used to be, and while I'd like to say it is getting better, it is not. The current internet generation of "give me give me give because I'm entitled" is just downright unpleasant. All links, and contributions that have been shared by me site wide over the years are now inactive. I wish you all the best in your Android endeavors.
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I 2nd what Mr. Prime said and hope you have a change of heart.
tribalartgod said:
Thank you to all who have helped me over the years on XDA. And thank you to all the DEVs for your hard work and efforts. I will be leaving the community indefinitely just as soon as @MikeChannon receives and processes my request for full account removal. Many of you have been great and a few of you have not. Those few unfortunately have outweighed the many. Incessant *****ing and rude behavior have played a major role in this decision. XDA is not what it used to be, and while I'd like to say it is getting better, it is not. The current internet generation of "give me give me give because I'm entitled" is just downright unpleasant. All links, and contributions that have been shared by me site wide over the years are now inactive. I wish you all the best in your Android endeavors.
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Thank you for your hard work! Sending you positive vibes on your future endeavors!!! :good:
I understand your decision, but i don't understand why make all your post contributions inactive. Doesn't make sense to me. I don't know what your did before but I assume it was very helpful. If so, why not just let it be for other good people that will need help? Your decision of course. Good luck!
I have been digging in your posted threads and i see you have many threads started. Im sure many of them are helpful to others. I might not be a developer myself (yet) however, every time i see people complaining as if developers have to actually please them, I would really love that xda give them a suspension between 1 week and 6 months, in extreme case 1 year or indefinitely. One thing is to complain, and another is to let know to the developers about bugs, or problems or request or similar things in a respectful way. I, and i m sure many others, will be sorry to see you go. Of course, it's your decision to make. Best wishes
So... I have received a reply from Mike and have read the posts here about my departure... because of select members here and Mike's reply to me, I will not be leaving XDA. I take offense when people don't respect the community and it's contributors. I've been a long time member here and have seen many changes on these forums... Some of them have been great, but quite a few have not. I still feel this place is quickly being over run by "whining entitled gimme gimme's" but moving forward, I will not allow that to bother me (as much). Lastly... Thank you to those who spoke up when I made the decision to leave... It's because of you that I am staying... It shows me that there is indeed still some good people left here. I have also opened up the things that have been shared again... So if anyone has an issue with a link, let me know, and I'll edit the post to correct it. In closing...Mods, you can now lock this thread if you wish.
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So... I have received a reply from Mike and have read the posts here about my departure... because of select members here and Mike's reply to me, I will not be leaving XDA. I take offense when people don't respect the community and it's contributors. I've been a long time member here and have seen many changes on these forums... Some of them have been great, but quite a few have not. I still feel this place is quickly being over run by "whining entitled gimme gimme's" but moving forward, I will not allow that to bother me (as much). Lastly... Thank you to those who spoke up when I made the decision to leave... It's because of you that I am staying... It shows me that there is indeed still some good people left here. I have also opened up the things that have been shared again... So if anyone has an issue with a link, let me know, and I'll edit the post to correct it. In closing...Mods, you can now lock this thread if you wish.
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Glad to read this. If the thought re-emerges again. Just remember that the world has a balance. You will find good people, and you will find bad people. And XDA is not an exception to this (THE LAW OF BALANCE). Just try to ignore the beggars that seem to be too unreasonable and reckless. But also, try to sympathize with those which have a problem and at their best behavior are trying to explain the problem so the devs can solve them. Of course, Always remembering that You have the right to be "selective" of what you want to do or not. :good: :good: :good:
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So... I have received a reply from Mike and have read the posts here about my departure... because of select members here and Mike's reply to me, I will not be leaving XDA. I take offense when people don't respect the community and it's contributors. I've been a long time member here and have seen many changes on these forums... Some of them have been great, but quite a few have not. I still feel this place is quickly being over run by "whining entitled gimme gimme's" but moving forward, I will not allow that to bother me (as much). Lastly... Thank you to those who spoke up when I made the decision to leave... It's because of you that I am staying... It shows me that there is indeed still some good people left here. I have also opened up the things that have been shared again... So if anyone has an issue with a link, let me know, and I'll edit the post to correct it. In closing...Mods, you can now lock this thread if you wish.
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I've been around for a long long time. XDA for the most part has provided enthusiasts and developers a means to do things they otherwise wouldn't have the ability to do which is share information and maybe get some recognition for it. The "new" people who have flocked here have made things a bit more annoying, but its just the nature of most things as they become more mainstream. (We are all hipsters) It was a whole lot worse when android was first released.
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-XDA Staff