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Class 4 SD good enough?

Currently I'm running a 16gb class 2 that I've had since the 16gb's have been out.(used in my Nokia N800) I found a 16GB class 4 on sale in town for $69 where a class 6 is $120. My question since it hasn't been confirmed (or I suck at searching) does the Magic actually take advantage of the class 6 or with the class 4 be good enough? Thanks for any info on this.
Clinton

IMHO I think your better off with a 16gb class 6, as it is recommended for many hacks Android related. Also you could probably find it cheaper online unless Monet is not an issue.

Just rather buy in town, not a big online buyer. I've read that the class 6 is the only way to go for apps 2 SD and the like but I just wanted to have faster access times to music, video and pictures really. That's pretty much all I have on the card, maybe a few docs but nothing I need to access quickly. If the music/video player or Quick office wont see/use the extra speed increase I'd rather save the cash for a nice set of headphones or case etc..
Clinton

Well the classes indicate how fast the SD card is. Class 2 = 2 MB/s, Class 4 = 4 MB/s and so on, so you would feel a difference between the two.

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Well the classes indicate how fast the SD card is. Class 2 = 2 MB/s, Class 4 = 4 MB/s and so on, so you would feel a difference between the two.
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Very useful. I know the difference between card speeds, what I was asking is if the Magic can take advantage of the speed increase or is there a limit? I know in using my Nokia N800 (Linux OS) even the moded kernel only took advantage of the class 4 cards and there was no benefit to the class 6.
Clinton

The SD Speed Class Ratings specify the following minimum write speeds based on "the best fragmented state where no memory unit is occupied":
Class 2: 2 MB/s
Class 4: 4 MB/s
Class 6: 6 MB/s
The Class system is a minimum speed that it should perform at, if you are lucky it will work closer to the next class speed, as most cards actually perform faster then their class.
I have an 6GB class 4 sdhc card and the transfer speed is generally around 9-11 mb/s.
If you are putting a swap file on to your sdhc, a class 4 should be a minimum class you are to look for.
Personally, I use Crystal DiskMark to test the write-transfer-speed of my cards. http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDiskMark/index-e.html

id242 said:
The SD Speed Class Ratings specify the following minimum write speeds based on "the best fragmented state where no memory unit is occupied":
Class 2: 2 MB/s
Class 4: 4 MB/s
Class 6: 6 MB/s
The Class system is a minimum speed that it should perform at, if you are lucky it will work closer to the next class speed, as most cards actually perform faster then their class.
I have an 6GB class 4 sdhc card and the transfer speed is generally around 9-11 mb/s.
If you are putting a swap file on to your sdhc, a class 4 should be a minimum class you are to look for.
Personally, I use Crystal DiskMark to test the write-transfer-speed of my cards. http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDiskMark/index-e.html
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Thanks I know the speed rating and how they are tested.
I'm not going to be putting a swap on the card or doing apps2sd, it's a Rogers Magic doesn't need either.
Thanks for the link to the speed test, didn't have one.
Does your class4 card give you any troubles at all or have you found it to be up to pare in all your storage needs? Thanks for the reply.
Clinton

Clinton, I mostly use the spare ion for simple photo taking, jotting-down notes and listening to podcasts (via meridian)/streaming radio (via stream furious) in my car. I haven't ever had any problems with it's speed.
I've had the stock 2gb in it for about 2 weeks, then a kingston 6GB class 4 in it for about a month and just this afternoon, picked up a polaroid 8gb class 6 (for $17.99 from Fry's Electronics - in-store).
the only time I have really had any problems with the speed of microsd card was when using them on my DS through r4 or supercard flashcarts. but that was back when 2gb microsd was just hitting the market (that 2gb kingston microsd from verizon was $99. in the USA, verizon was the first to publically sell this size card)
I generally try to stay away from class 2 cards just as one would try to stay away from USB 1.x devices.
without installing any additional software, a quick and simple test to check if the card is quick enough for heavy usage on your phone, might be to test if Vista/Win7 will accept it as ReadyBoost Compatible.

microSD 32Gb class 6 and Galaxy S

I am thinking about purchasing a 32Gb microSD for use with my galaxy S.
My concern is that, is this too large? Are there any bad side effect like it being too slow to display picture/start up scann/run applications?

Which brand? That's probably more important for the speed than class (a class 2 Sandisk is often as fast or faster than a class 6 from a lesser brand).
The capacity of the card shouldn't affect the speed during most situations. However the phone does scan for media each time it is turned on or after disconnecting from USB connection (Kies or mass storage), the amount of time this takes depends on:
-the amount of media stored on the card and
-(probably) the read speed of the card.
Note that class rating is minimum write speed - so it's not a great indicator of real-life performance.
Also note that some too-cheap-to-be-true cards are actually smaller capacity cards that report larger capacities to fool the customer.
BTW where are you getting the card from (I want one as well ).

Hi flamingpitofhell,
I am looking at Sandisk as well and most likely get it from their online store. I am trying to find more information whether it is worth the trouble.

I don't think Sandisk sell class 6 cards (yet). Buying from their online store's also more expensive than online retailers (I can get one in Australia for AUD155, which is ~USD137, cf their RRP of USD200).

thanks for the pointer. will look around for local stores here in Thailand.
Which city in Australia are you in? I studied in Perth more than a decaded back.

I'm in glorious Melbourne mate, haven't been to Perth yet

the only LEGIT 32GB Sandisk available right now in the market is only Class 2
if you read anything else, it is FAKE, specially from eBay
wait until the other microSD manufactures start pushing out 32GB on class 4 or class 6 before buying.
i'm using 2x 16GB Class 6 until the 32GB class 6 becomes available.

I'm using Class 2 32GB card in mine, its fine.
Its slower when you're transferring to the card from your PC, but for most people thats only particularly problematic the first time (loading music collection), after that you'll not really notice a difference in the phone (the read speeds are basically the same, and the phone can neither read nor write to the card faster than a Class 2 card can cope with). You can see it in the benchmarks taken post-mimocans fix - Class 2 cards are no slower than any other Class within the phone.
Grab one now and be happy.

NZtechfreak said:
I'm using Class 2 32GB card in mine, its fine.
Grab one now and be happy.
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Where did you get yours from and how much for. I`m interested in getting one myself.
Thanks

my local stores already carry the real Sandisk 32GB class 2
too slow for my taste, i like to run Apps from the SD card, also use it as a SWAP partidion to prevent the LAG problem people complains about, it's a very easy fix
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=724251

i wonder what would be better a 16gb class 6 or 32gb class 2...
is it worth sacrifising double of the memory for the speed?

onbacardi said:
i wonder what would be better a 16gb class 6 or 32gb class 2...
is it worth sacrifising double of the memory for the speed?
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it depends what you are trying to do
if it's just to listen to mp3, then Class 2 is fine
if you want to run games, software, watch movies, use it for SWAP drive to have no lag, then minimum a Class 6

Class ratings don't really seem to have too much of an effect on real world performance: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1468705. Just discount the last result from the SGS (it's most likely mistaken for the internal SD).

i rather trust my experience coming from PalmOS + WinMb where real life situations using a class 4 or slower cards, made a huge word of difference when launching applications from SD and watching movies from SD
funny enough the numbers reported on that topic shows SGS i9000 to have the fastest speed even using the same card that got lower speed on the other phones.
which seems to point out it's directly proportional to the CPU speed, and the multitasking software running in the back end.
however as you see on those test itself, there are speed differences between class 2, class 4 and class 6
the same class # can not be compared to another class # of a different size,
if you imagine a hard drive, the bigger the hard drive the more layers/disk area it has to read, the same is true even for static SD cards.
however as pointed on those test Transcend usually has the fastest SD cards in the market, that's why i always buy that brand for performance, using a 16GB Transcend myself, waiting for the 32 GB class 6+ to come out
Adata has 2 lines, the performance line, and the standard line
if you want speed get the performance SD cards
Kingston and Sandisk are mostly standard speed, they don't release much performance level SD cards anymore, but they do have lots of those on USB sticks.

I tried my Brothers Sandisk Class 2 32GB and it worked perfectly.
Granted it's not as fast as my Sandisk Mobile Ultra Class 4 but that card flies anyway.
Certainly for recording your large movie files taken with the camera it's no different in speed than using the built in SDCard on the phone.

I have no problems watching 720P video on my phone. I have no problems launching applications either.
So much misinformation...

of course there is no problem, the issue here is getting the top performance, any SD card will work just fine.
it's just a matter of how fast/slow are you able to torelate

The only time you will notice any difference in speed is when transferring data to and from the card.
However, when you have double the space of other cards to consider speed should not be a deciding factor.
I'm already looking to get the Sandisk Class 2 32GB card. It will store all of my work files normally kept on my Laptop.
My Sandisk Class 4 Mobile Ultra 16GB will be my spare ~ should the larger card fail...

Thanks for the information s everyone.
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I have the 32GB sandisk card and works perfect. I have a 720p mkv file and my music on there. Playback was superb for the video with no noticeable lag. Mind you the card isn't anywhere near full yet. From my limited knowledge of sd cards, they put data on the fastest part first so the fuller it gets the slower the card is likely to get..
My plan is to put movies and songs on the 32GB file and reserve the internal 13GB for capturing video and taking pictures on the phone.

SD read/write speed causing lag on my HD2 but...

So I downloaded this app call H2testw.exe to test for legit sdcards but it also tells the read/write speed as well. I am testing my 8gb and 1gb cards. I set it to write a 300 mb files to the card and verify it.
Info about Android running on the two cards:
8gb = lags coming out of sleep, touch screen freezes, write~7.5 mb/s, read~12mb/s
1gb = no lags, no touch screen, write~4.3mb, read~13mb/s
I'm confused. The read speed is almost the same yet the 1gb microsd is more responsive running MDJ android compared to the 8gb microsd. Any thought?
UPDATE: Maybe this is what's causing the problem. Stolen from Engadget.
What we've learned from our tipsters and from documents culled from Microsoft, Samsung, and others is that the big issue is random access performance -- a figure that isn't taken into account in a card's class rating. Ironically, Microsoft discovered in its testing that cards with higher class ratings actually performed worse on Windows Phone 7 because the tweaks card manufacturers make to achieve high sequential throughput can actually hurt random access times. There's some rocket science involved here, but basically, it's a tradeoff and a bit of a gamble -- if a manufacturer tunes a card for a high class rating, it takes more time to access the first byte at a new location on the card because it's optimizing access for that area of memory, but once it does that, it can blast sequential bytes at very high speed. If you've got a lot of small reads or writes you need to make to different files at different locations in the card's memory, though, you really start to suffer. Cards with lower class ratings tend to spend less time optimizing sequential access prior to the first read / write operation, so it can move around the card (that is, access it randomly) much faster.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/17/windows-phone-7s-microsd-mess-the-full-story-and-how-nokia-ca/

They are probably different classes, plus it naturally takes longer with a bigger card because there's more files and more space to read and write
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I get screen freezes with 8gb and up but rarely with new builds, haven't tried a card higher than class 6
Also I'm on radio 2.15
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Oddly enough, I have two 8gb cards, one class 4 the other class 6, and they hiccup more than my 16gb class 2.
Now that is weird.

I'm lost myself...I'm thinking off just getting me a 4gb card and hope for the best...

I heard the 16gb class 10 is perfect but it still cost to much for nand to be around the corner
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16 gb class 10 no lag cost me over 100 pounds tho
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Cheapest 16GB - lags from time to time :/
Maybe defragmentation may help?

tomus said:
Cheapest 16GB - lags from time to time :/
Maybe defragmentation may help?
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Defrag wont help...scan for errors...try to have only the android folder and see if it makes a different ..

Btw, guys...
all sd cards are not created equal. all sd cards of the same CLASS are not created equal.
Check out the ongoing drama with win7 phones with SD slots....
class measures throughput, what affects the SOD and related issues is random access speed, not throughput so much.

It's just my 2 cents, but I've tested Class 2, 4, and 6 MicroSDHC cards and found very little noticeable difference once Android is fully booted up and running on the HD2. Moreover, none of the cards create screen freezes or SOD issues or high battery drain problems here. That said, I have noticed that the actual boot time and file transfer speed (from the PC to the card) can be faster on average with quality higher class rated cards of the same size. Also, I've found that the larger the card size, the longer the android boot time, no matter the class. Guess that makes sense, as the system need to read more sectors with larger size cards. Please note that I've only tested Sandisk, Toshiba, TopRam and Samsung cards to date. What's kind of strange is that the Class 2 16 & 32GB Sandisk cards run just as well or slightly better for some reason than some of my higher class rated cards. Go figure...
As far as issues go, I recommend only using quality brand name cards, no ebay fakes or cheap no name brands. Also, I've had great luck formatting all my cards with SD Formatter v2.0 and v3.0, using the quick format mode with the standard 32kb cluster size.
Best to all,
R

rhacy said:
It's just my 2 cents, but I've tested Class 2, 4, and 6 MicroSDHC cards and found very little noticeable difference once Android is fully booted up and running on the HD2. Moreover, none of the cards create screen freezes or SOD issues or high battery drain problems here. That said, I have noticed that the actual boot time and file transfer speed (from the PC to the card) can be faster on average with quality higher class rated cards of the same size. Also, I've found that the larger the card size, the longer the android boot time, no matter the class. Guess that makes sense, as the system need to read more sectors with larger size cards. Please note that I've only tested Sandisk, Toshiba, TopRam and Samsung cards to date. What's kind of strange is that the Class 2 16 & 32GB Sandisk cards run just as well or slightly better for some reason than some of my higher class rated cards. Go figure...
As far as issues go, I recommend only using quality brand name cards, no ebay fakes or cheap no name brands. Also, I've had great luck formatting all my cards with SD Formatter v2.0 and v3.0, using the quick format mode with the standard 32kb cluster size.
Best to all,
R
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Great info here. I think I will just order me a new card from a reputable brand. Maybe my card is just getting old. Maybe a 16gb from Amazon will do. They aren't too expensive nowaday. ~$26.

Does the Radio version effects the lag of the sd card? Or the kernel?

distruct said:
Does the Radio version effects the lag of the sd card? Or the kernel?
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No, not on the sd but radio does effect how the build will run, your phone calls, your battery.

Could this be the reason why class don't matter on hd2 android? I mean even some class 4 & 6 have lag and sod problem. I pulled this bit from engadget. It's an article on wp7 and memory card issues.
What we've learned from our tipsters and from documents culled from Microsoft, Samsung, and others is that the big issue is random access performance -- a figure that isn't taken into account in a card's class rating. Ironically, Microsoft discovered in its testing that cards with higher class ratings actually performed worse on Windows Phone 7 because the tweaks card manufacturers make to achieve high sequential throughput can actually hurt random access times. There's some rocket science involved here, but basically, it's a tradeoff and a bit of a gamble -- if a manufacturer tunes a card for a high class rating, it takes more time to access the first byte at a new location on the card because it's optimizing access for that area of memory, but once it does that, it can blast sequential bytes at very high speed. If you've got a lot of small reads or writes you need to make to different files at different locations in the card's memory, though, you really start to suffer. Cards with lower class ratings tend to spend less time optimizing sequential access prior to the first read / write operation, so it can move around the card (that is, access it randomly) much faster.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/17/windows-phone-7s-microsd-mess-the-full-story-and-how-nokia-ca/

azzzz said:
Could this be the reason why class don't matter on hd2 android? I mean even some class 4 & 6 have lag and sod problem. I pulled this bit from engadget. It's an article on wp7 and memory card issues.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/17/windows-phone-7s-microsd-mess-the-full-story-and-how-nokia-ca/
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Obviously.
Been saying this for a while, myself - I have experimented, and I get SOD every time with my 16gb class 6 card, but rarely with my class 2 8gb, and never ever (and, tbh, better responsiveness overall) with my 2gb NON-HC card

enneract said:
Obviously.
Been saying this for a while, myself - I have experimented, and I get SOD every time with my 16gb class 6 card, but rarely with my class 2 8gb, and never ever (and, tbh, better responsiveness overall) with my 2gb NON-HC card
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I hope so...my class 2 16gb will be here in a couple of days...i hope it's faster than my current 8gb class 4....
Update: my 16gb class 2 sandisk is here. Things have improved alot. Wake up is faster now with less lag, market download speed is faster now (10kb vs 100kb). Hopefully system performance will be better...

PNY 16GB class 10 Micro SD or Sandisk 16GB Class 4 Micro SD

I will be using it for storing/taking photos/movies and storing lots of gameloft HD games on it.
Which is better for my x10 with what I use it for? Which one will have better performance when it comes viewing photos and movies? Will the games load faster on the pny class 10?
Or will the difference in performance from two cards not noticeable from everyday use?
Thanks

Not card wise but company wise, sandisk makes better memory cards if not the best in my opinion. I have never had a problem with their cards.
Choose them if the memory card you need is made by them.
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Read speeds can be significantly improved with the SD Speed Increase app developed by a xda member. Write speeds have no such cache fix available.
Unless you are writing very sequencally all cards are very slow. Technically a class 10 should be twice as fast with seq writes, but differences in materials and design sometimes reduce the difference.
A 32gb Kingston class 4 writes at 4.356 MB/s and a Lexar 32gb class 10 writes at 11.44 MB/s. But a Class 4 8gb Sony writes at 10.19MB/s! So what you actually get will be unknown until you have the cards.
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Hi there, i just bought a generic 16gb class 10 microSDHC card off of ebay for £16, it was cheap so i was a bit skeptical, but i received it and did sum read write tests, i got upto 11meg write speed so atleast i know its not a fake, but its working well videos and pics are saving a lot quicker so im happy with it for the moment.

I have both cards right now, It was used for my sony camcorder.
How can I test both of them in my phone?
stan.s whats that app you are referring to? where can I find it?
THanks

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1067555
Test: 32G C10 Lexar vs 32G C4 Kingston vs Sony 8G C4
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I bought a PNY 16Gb Class 10 off PLAY for a bargain price (about £16) and am now in the process of returning it as I had to keep fixing errors using my PC.
I have had a lot of PNY flash cards for my camera with no problems, so hop this is just a one-off?
Hopefully the replacement card (a direct replacement) will be better.....

tears123 said:
I will be using it for storing/taking photos/movies and storing lots of gameloft HD games on it.
Which is better for my x10 with what I use it for? Which one will have better performance when it comes viewing photos and movies? Will the games load faster on the pny class 10?
Or will the difference in performance from two cards not noticeable from everyday use?
Thanks
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I'm using PNY 16gb class 10 for my x10....
is good.... no prb at all

It varies alot depending on brand but last time I checked android simply didnt take advantage from anything faster than class 4.. You can of course remove card plug it into pc card reader and fill it faster.. But android os is limited and wont take advantage of a class 10 card speed. Maybe on 2.3 or 3.0 ? But it doesnt on 2.1/2.2 at least
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[Q] Fastest SD class atrix can use?

I'm finally getting to the point where my internal card is filling up, and looking to get a 32Gb Microsd, but would like to get a decent one. What i want to know is, what is the fastest speed the Atrix can transfer data at? For example I dont want to get a class 10 if the fastest the Atrix can transfer is at a 4, just to keep cost down.
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I have Samsung 32GB class 10 and it works about declared speed.

A class 10 would definitely work however i would personally not shell out the extra dough just for a little faster transfer speed.
High class sd cards are really aimed at professional cameras to have speedier photo shooting.
However some olders phone that have mods that mount their filesystems on the external sd (to bypass the small internal memory) made everyone want the fastest sd cards to get a little increase in performance as a side effect.
Seeing this is not the case for the atrix a normal card would do well enough in 99% of the cases.
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I disagree. If you use your card for media, as many do, the transfer speeds do matter. You'll cut your transfer times more than in half with a Class 10 over a Class 4...

ehvio said:
I disagree. If you use your card for media, as many do, the transfer speeds do matter. You'll cut your transfer times more than in half with a Class 10 over a Class 4...
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I agree. Transferring a lot of pictures, music, movies... does matter. Also, better cards is useful for HD recording, loading data, games content... and price is not that higher.

thank you all, class 10 it is then, since amazon have some very reasonable deals this week!

While what you guys have said may be true, i still personally did not feel much difference.
For example my class 4 sandisk would write at 8 (or more sometimes) and read much higher than that. Also, i never really found myself in such a hurry when transferring things that the 2-3 mbps would make the difference.
I've also heard of a few cases where my friend's class 10 would go corrupt or randomly deleted but i assume this has more to do with the brand more than the class, i never stray away from sandisk and never had these kind of problems, a personal recommendation if you will.
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Previously I had Apacer class 4 with terrible write and bad read performance so Samsung class 10 make a huge difference

Ya I just switched to a 33 gig class 10 from a 16 gig class 4 and it was worth every penny I transfer a lot of music to and from phone as well as pictures and it made a world of diffrence
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