Nexus 7 factory reset - Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

If I do factory reset my N7, will it delete the sd card as well?
Or is it only gonna delete data and etc...
Coz some devies delete sd card so just checking
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Any ideas?
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It wipes everything except recovery if you have loaded one.
When done, you have a device which looks like the first time you turned it on
Via my HTC Rezound

So if i backup with cwm recovery, do i have to move that to my computer to restore after factory reset?
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krelvinaz said:
It wipes everything except recovery if you have loaded one.
When done, you have a device which looks like the first time you turned it on
Via my HTC Rezound
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Are you sure? I was always under the assumption that the Nexus 7 would be similar to other Nexus devices in which it leaves everything on the SD card untouched.

Miracle.vl63 said:
So if i backup with cwm recovery, do i have to move that to my computer to restore after factory reset?
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Yes, you will have had to back it up off the unit and then restore it to use it again.
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Unlawful said:
Are you sure? I was always under the assumption that the Nexus 7 would be similar to other Nexus devices in which it leaves everything on the SD card untouched.
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Yes I am sure... did it. Even superuser was gone.... Recovery was not touched though so getting that kind of stuff back was easy.
It acted like it was a brand new unit with nothing in storage.
Before I gave the unit to the owner (I got to play with it a week brand new out of the box), I did TWRP backups, Titanium Backups and synced data from storage areas to my primary work station at home.
When the new device arrives Friday, all I need to do is unlock the boot loader,root and restore the data and I will be right back where I started.

Does titanium backup backups downloaded data like shadowgun's as well? Or only the app and data?
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Using my rooted Nexus7 16GB with CWM installed.. I did a factory reset from settings -> Backup & Reset menu.. I can confirm it did NOT clear the sdcard.. Booting up the device shows the "Welcome" wizard, however I plugged in the device to the PC and the SDCard data is all still there..

Ew... i cant go into recovery. Is it right to boot with bootloader and choose recovery? Then it's stuck with google logo with padlock...
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My guess would be the SD stays. I did this before when I sold a phone and they found nude pics of my gf lol
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Restoring backup of old device to new device

Will it work?
Yes. If it's the same device!
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kboya said:
Yes. If it's the same device!
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Vague, but it's a replacement. Please verify
cmg5461 said:
Vague, but it's a replacement. Please verify
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I tried this!!! I do not suggest it!!! Nothing went.. wrong per say.. everything restored nicely and I went on my way, but it had more lag spikes, it had random freezes while screen was off that required a reboot, and biggest of all, it semi corrupted the sdcard partition so it couldn't be accessed, I ended up just wiping my device and starting fresh, works fine now to wipe I suggest locking boot loader and reunlocking to get it really well wiped. For the record my restore was with only data which a Dev deemed safer than a full restore but sadly as he suspected, there were problems. You can I think use titanium backup on non system apps pretty safely though
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My answer was as specific as your 'question'. Assuming it is N7 to N7, with both in near identical states (I.e. ROM, apps, wipes etc) then it should work. However, restoring data is usually a hit-miss affair and YMMV.
'Old' and 'new device', as you stated, only make complete sense to you and the many mind readers and/or voyeurs and stalkers
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kboya said:
My answer was as specific as your 'question'. Assuming it is N7 to N7, with both in near identical states (I.e. ROM, apps, wipes etc) then it should work. However, restoring data is usually a hit-miss affair and YMMV.
'Old' and 'new device', as you stated, only make complete sense to you and the many mind readers and/or voyeurs and stalkers
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Well we are in the N7 forum, and asking to restore data from a custom rom to a stock device would just be asking for trouble, lol.
yea golden rule, dont load a backup from one device to a replacement of that same device. apps are fine through titanium backup but dont be loading nandroid backups
I do this all the time across my devices .Restore my CUSTOM TI Backup but you need to selectively choose what to restore. This works ONLY With APPS AND APP DATA. NO SYSTEM APPS OR SYSTEM APP DATA. that is how the sd card becomes currupt. Also if you do a FULL BACKUP SAY OF YOUR PHONE. then selective restore some of it to A Say your tablet with apps and app data. THIS WILL ALSO NOT WORK IN YOUR FAVOR.
FROM the old device . do a backup of APPS ONLY no (some apps will work with apps and app data) THEN Restore that on your tablet or new device . Do not make a full backup of the old device then selectivity restore from it to the new device. This can also cause issues on the new device.
Hope this is not to complicated to understand im no writer.
The above is from my own personal experience with TI BACKUP... The above is how i have been doing it for years.. GOOD Luck
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cmg5461 said:
Well we are in the N7 forum, and asking to restore data from a custom rom to a stock device would just be asking for trouble, lol.
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installed apps . (APPS THAT WAS not part of the rom)this will work just fine to backup and restore.. Even most will restore app data.
The problem comes when restore apps from one device to another where the app when it installs sets itself for the device type . Then restored to a different device type.. The issue with system apps is it could replace some system settings or files during the restore and currupt data or apps.
I just RMA my nexus device.
Used the command "adb backup -apk shared all"
That backed up my entire device and I didn't have to be rooted or have my boot loader unlocked.
Typed in "adb restore backup.ab" on my new device and was right where I left off.
You need the latest android SDK on you PC and you also need to run those commands as administrator.
I have an "adb backup" file from a stock, first-gen Nexus 7 16GB that was damaged. We replaced it with a second-gen Nexus 7 32GB, which has been rooted without touching the bootloader. We're having trouble getting the games to recognize their data when we restore them piecemeal, so I'm wondering if it would be safe to restore the adb backup from the old device to the new device? Are there enough differences to cause problems? If it fails, will I still be able to simply do a factory reset and get the new N7 back to factory specs? We've only had the new one a few days.

Wipe all data

Simple question, I have pictures videos and back ups that don't want deleted when I do a factory reset, do I need to back it up on my PC or????
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Depends on what you are talking about if you mean while in a custom recovery then no you don't but if you are unlocking your boot loader or you are using a stock in rooted ROM and are just pressing factory reset from settings then yes you should back up
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dislplin01 said:
Depends on what you are talking about if you mean while in a custom recovery then no you don't but if you are unlocking your boot loader or you are using a stock in rooted ROM and are just pressing factory reset from settings then yes you should back up
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I'm on stock ROM with cwm recovery the latest, so no I shouldn't?
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I would actually LIKE to delete everything when I install a new rom. I have used all the wipe data setting i could find in recovery and I always end up with a bunch of stuff left from the previous rom. Downloads etc.
Is there something I am missing?
droidgenius said:
I'm on stock ROM with cwm recovery the latest, so no I shouldn't?
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Are you talking about the factory reset within Jelly Bean? If so, then that wipes everything as far as I know.
jarayn said:
I would actually LIKE to delete everything when I install a new rom. I have used all the wipe data setting i could find in recovery and I always end up with a bunch of stuff left from the previous rom. Downloads etc.
Is there something I am missing?
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Most (all?) custom recoveries should have some type of option to format sdcard.
In CWM, the wipe data/factory reset option will *not* wipe your virtual sdcard.
You can do a wipe in recovery, and the /sdcard partition will remain intact. I was worried about this before unlocking my bootloader too
However when you unlock your bootloader *all* of your user data will be wiped from your tablet
This includes your apps, setup, homescreens, sdcard, photos. It will be like having a brand new tablet
The downloads folder is on your sdcard. You may be able to edit the updater script or something to wipe the virtual sdcard directory when you flash a rom
markj338 said:
In CWM, the wipe data/factory reset option will *not* wipe your virtual sdcard.
You can do a wipe in recovery, and the /sdcard partition will remain intact. I was worried about this before unlocking my bootloader too
However when you unlock your bootloader *all* of your user data will be wiped from your tablet
This includes your apps, setup, homescreens, sdcard, photos. It will be like having a brand new tablet
The downloads folder is on your sdcard. You may be able to edit the updater script or something to wipe the virtual sdcard directory when you flash a rom
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Ok cool thanks guys, and I am doing a factory reset in CWM, sorry prob should of thought that threw in the original post. Thanks!
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Thanks from me also.
I did wonder why there was always stuff left over. I guess in some ways its handy. It just feels like doing an in place upgrade of windows rather than a clean install when theres old data still there.
if u wipe all.u got another 25$ from play store?
swisstourist said:
if u wipe all.u got another 25$ from play store?
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LOL no, otherwise it would be too easy
You also cannot have the $25 credit twice, as in if you bought 2 N7's using the same google account
I had 2 because one was faulty and I only got 1 gift card
Wiping your tablet will not lose your $25 though, thats stored on your google account. You ca use it with any android device hooked up to the same google account.
Back again.
I know this is sort of the reverse of the OP but at least its related.
If the rom zip is on the sd card then how can you format it?
Or do you just do regular wipe, install then format sd?
I have Clockwork Mod Recovery 6
Is this written out somewhere else?
Yes, just do the regular wipes first, install the ROM, and then format the sdcard.
swisstourist said:
if u wipe all.u got another 25$ from play store?
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I wish
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markj338 said:
LOL no, otherwise it would be too easy
You also cannot have the $25 credit twice, as in if you bought 2 N7's using the same google account
I had 2 because one was faulty and I only got 1 gift card
Wiping your tablet will not lose your $25 though, thats stored on your google account. You ca use it with any android device hooked up to the same google account.
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Hey I'm gonna replace my nexus 7 tablet (warenty) anyway to get a second 25$ ?
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jamesst20 said:
Hey I'm gonna replace my nexus 7 tablet (warenty) anyway to get a second 25$ ?
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You would need to do the initial sign in with an account that hasn't already received the credit.
Thanks! I will!
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[Q] Nexus 4 model, about storage capacity

Hi, how will I be able to know which variant (8gb or 16 gb) my nexus 4 is?
Before rooting, I think my total storage capacity is 12gb+ (I actually can't remember definitely).
Then I unlocked the bootloader and tried to flash, I was stuck in the X logo, I restarted, then I was stuck in the google logo (unlocked bootloader at this point.) I had backed up my apps and sdcard via adb.
I was stuck, so I downloaded a factory image and reflashed my device. Then I rooted it. I was done. SU installed, and it was rooted. I then reinstalled my app settings via adb again, but not the sdcard.
after sometime, putting music, movies and apps, I noticed that my device only had a total of 5.66GB.
I bought it 2nd hand, BTW.
So what happened? Now, I just want to confirm really how much storage I have so I can get back my money if this was indeed an 8gb version instead of 16gb. Any ideas?
Thanks!
All of the media you put onto your Nexus 4 takes up room. How many movies did you put? How many songs? If you feel that there is something wrong with the amount if storage available, then you can try formatting your SD.
I also remember that there's a bug on 16GB models to only show 8GB.
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there is a similar issue that occurs with the nexus 7. i remember it was talked about before in some threads. after flashing the images, did you do a factory reset or clear data in recovery? this seems to have the issue fixed. some units show up as 8gb after a reflash however a reset thru settings or clear data fixes this.
Do what thephantom said. Recovery must be stock though, not custom. If you need more help. I made a little how-to guide a couple months ago for this very problem: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35119185#post35119185
thank you guys... I'm relieved that it is a bug, I hope it is a bug in my case... One question though, do you suggest back up with adb + sdcard or titanium? my previous settings were not backed up using adb cmd (I'm not sure though, since I didn't push back the sd backup)
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thank you guys... I'm relieved that it is a bug, I hope it is a bug in my case... One question though, do you suggest back up with adb + sdcard or titanium? my previous settings were not backed up using adb cmd (I'm not sure though, since I didn't push back the sd backup)
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ADB and SD card.
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but won't it give me problems again if I did that?
wakoko79 said:
but won't it give me problems again if I did that?
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You can even make a nandroid backup and apply it after the storage fix. Its in the OP of the thread I linked.
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[Solved]Factory Data Reset.

Here's the deal. I want to factory reset my nexus so I can remove the unlock pin. Question is I can't seem to really get an answer. If I do the factory data reset from the menu will I lose my data from the emulated SD card. According to the picture. I will, but I looked this up and according to some website and other xda members. I won't. Since I've only had this phone for about a month now and this is the first phone that I've had with a SD slot. I honestly don't know what will happen if I hit that reset button.
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Back up your storage to a computer and see what happens. They only way I've been able to erase my data was formatting in recovery or locking then unlocking the bootloader.
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FeintDoxx said:
Here's the deal. I want to factory reset my nexus so I can remove the unlock pin. Question is I can't seem to really get an answer. If I do the factory data reset from the menu will I lose my data from the emulated SD card. According to the picture. I will, but I looked this up and according to some website and other xda members. I won't. Since I've only had this phone for about a month now and this is the first phone that I've had with a SD slot. I honestly don't know what will happen if I hit that reset button.
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Yes a factory reset will wipe all user data on the phone if done from settings/backup and restore/reset device. Backup files first.
The nexus 4 doesn't have an SD card slot. You will lose all data unless you've made a backup in recovery or on your computer. And yes, it will wipe the /sdcard folder.
Holcomb227 said:
The nexus 4 doesn't have an SD card slot. You will lose all data unless you've made a backup in recovery or on your computer. And yes, it will wipe the /sdcard folder.
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I know sorry meant without just didn't notice it and yeah I figured so. Guess I'll have to wait a bit before I do a reset then.
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But you know, i have done factory resets, wiped dalvic nd cache and unlocking bootloader but evrytime i so that, the files in my internal sd card were all still there and never was deleted.
So im quite confused as well..
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vinz_bangiz said:
But you know, i have done factory resets, wiped dalvic nd cache and unlocking bootloader but evrytime i so that, the files in my internal sd card were all still there and never was deleted.
So im quite confused as well..
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If you factory reset in stock recovery it wipes the lot
vinz_bangiz said:
But you know, i have done factory resets, wiped dalvic nd cache and unlocking bootloader but evrytime i so that, the files in my internal sd card were all still there and never was deleted.
So im quite confused as well..
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Yeah this is what I mean. I keep on getting different answers.
But I'll just back things up on a PC and then attempt to factory reset.
EddyOS said:
If you factory reset in stock recovery it wipes the lot
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Doing a factory reset in stock recovery will wipe everything
Doing a factory reset in custom recovery will not wipe SD context
Unlocking the bootloader and rebooting will wipe everything
Unlocking the bootloader and flashing a custom recovery then wipe cache and reboot will not wipe SD context
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spaceman860 said:
Doing a factory reset in stock recovery will wipe everything
Doing a factory reset in custom recovery will not wipe SD context
Unlocking the bootloader and rebooting will wipe everything
Unlocking the bootloader and flashing a custom recovery then wipe cache and reboot will not wipe SD context
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Thanks. Although.not really sure which one of these I can use to reset my unlock pin.
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Just go to security settings and choose a different lock style !!! Unless you have forgot your pin ??
What recovery are you using ?
I have no issues doing.........
Go to settings and backup and reset option, choose the factory data reset.
Now this will wipe your user data and reset your ROM to how it was originally. This does NOT touch your emulated sdcard partition. Basically it resets the ROM and removes all user apps etc.
You can always use TB to back up all user apps 1st then just restore again after. ( obviously you will have to install TB again before you can restore but all data will remain on your " sdcard".
Hope this helps.
Mmmmm actually I am using twrp so maybe I got mistaken as I don't know how it handles on a stock recovery as it does boot into twrp briefly when I do this.
I've done this many times and never lost my sdcard files though.
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Do you have an exchange account connected to your phone? Like an outlook email from work or something? A pw is required if you have that connected.
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Teo032 said:
Do you have an exchange account connected to your phone? Like an outlook email from work or something? A pw is required if you have that connected.
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I have my other gmail synced on the stock email app. Uhm I'll try to delete my accounts but as you see in the last page. The picture I posted. "No Pin" is greyed out. Its odd. Never had this happen to me.
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slymobi said:
Just go to security settings and choose a different lock style !!! Unless you have forgot your pin ??
What recovery are you using ?
I have no issues doing.........
Go to settings and backup and reset option, choose the factory data reset.
Now this will wipe your user data and reset your ROM to how it was originally. This does NOT touch your emulated sdcard partition. Basically it resets the ROM and removes all user apps etc.
You can always use TB to back up all user apps 1st then just restore again after. ( obviously you will have to install TB again before you can restore but all data will remain on your " sdcard".
Hope this helps.
Mmmmm actually I am using twrp so maybe I got mistaken as I don't know how it handles on a stock recovery as it does boot into twrp briefly when I do this.
I've done this many times and never lost my sdcard files though.
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I have CWM Touch Recovery. Never tried TWRP.
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Well I'm not sure how the system handles a factory data reset with cwm but I know for sure that using the factory data reset from phone settings does not wipe your internal "SD card" when using twrp. Now be aware I'm not referring to any wipes from recovery,its the wipe from the phone settings in backup and reset.
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slymobi said:
Well I'm not sure how the system handles a factory data reset with cwm but I know for sure that using the factory data reset from phone settings does not wipe your internal "SD card" when using twrp. Now be aware I'm not referring to any wipes from recovery,its the wipe from the phone settings in backup and reset.
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Okay thanks guys for all the help! I think this thread is done. I flashed TWRP recovery and I Factory Reset in there and it wiped everything that I needed. I got rid of the lock screen and I also found out that TWRP is a pretty amazing recovery. In the end I kept all my data. Just restored apps by Titanium BackUp. Thanks!:thumbup:
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Nexus 4 w/ PAC 4.2.2 Bricked, need help in recovering data

Background
- I'm using PAC 4.2.2 ever since I bought my Nexus 4 and was quite happy with the ROM until yesterday
- I started losing out the GSM signal for the past 2 weeks, it would intermittently go off and then come back by itself after a few seconds, at times few minutes (never thought it could be a ROM issue, is it?)
- Google started pushing its update and I had to manually stop data for Google Services from Settings -> Data Usage
Problem
Yesterday while updating Angry Birds from the Play Store the Play store crashed. I tried to open it but it would continue to crash as soon as it would try to load it.
I rebooted the device however since then its stuck on the google logo and doesn't proceed.
I have TWRP recovery installed and when it boots in to (Fastboot is it called?) it shows Secure Boot - enabled and Lock State - unlocked.
Few foolish things that I tried yesterday (in desperation) that might have already screwed up my phone beyond recovery....
1. Wiped Cache and Dalvik Cache and tried to reboot but it didn't work
2. Flashed the new PAC 4.2.3 version that I had downloaded way back but still no success
3. Tried to take a backup from TWRP recovery however while restoring it fails and shows the message 'Restore Failed'
I really wish to recover the media that is in the phone and contacts if possible.
I have Google Nexus 4 Toolkit (not sure of the version but its like 8-10 months old) installed in my laptop and if I connect the phone and start the toolkit it recognizes the phone against adb (shows a serial number) but when I try to back it up it stops at 'Waiting for adb mode...'
I'm a total noob when it comes to recovery etc. so would really appreciate any help that leads to data recovery in my phone somehow, thanks!
Internal memory is accessible through ADB over recovery so you could easily get your data if it is still there. About the contacts - if they are Google contacts and saved to your gmail - happy days, nothing to worry about. But if they are phone contacts I don't think you'll be able to restore them.
Do you know what is the worst thing about smart phones? That the owner should be smarter than the device in order to operate it.
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Internal memory is accessible through ADB over recovery so you could easily get your data if it is still there.
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What would be the steps that I'd have to follow for this? I have TWRP recovery installed.
EDIT: I even tried a complete wipe but it doesn't work. Also tried using CWM as recovery, that didn't work either. Installed the Unified_Android_ToolKit (latest version), updated all USB/adb drivers but whenever I try to backup anything through the toolkit all I get is that it is waiting for the adb mode or its waiting for the USB debugging to be enabled (which I can't since I can't get the phone to boot up).
Any ideas?
Don't try to restore any data after full wipe. It won't work. Flash factory images to get your device into operable state again but before that go to Device Manager and make sure that the phone is recognized by the computer and the drivers for it are properly installed. Good luck. Can you still access twrp recovery?
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evdrmr said:
Don't try to restore any data after full wipe. It won't work. Flash factory images to get your device into operable state again but before that go to Device Manager and make sure that the phone is recognized by the computer and the drivers for it are properly installed. Good luck. Can you still access twrp recovery?
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After having given up all hope to retrieve any data or contacts I wiped the entire phone, format data I mean. However, with that I've ended up with no OS on the phone, I can access TWRP though. Not sure how badly I've ended up screwing the phone. :silly:
Not badly at all... Reboot your phone into Boot loader mode. Download the Google factory images of your choice and run the flash-all.bat file. Enjoy your fully restored phone in a couple of minutes.
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evdrmr said:
Not badly at all... Reboot your phone into Boot loader mode. Download the Google factory images of your choice and run the flash-all.bat file. Enjoy your fully restored phone in a couple of minutes.
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How exactly do I run the flash-all.bat file? I tried flashing the factory image using the Unified Toolkit however there comes an error message stating that there is some issue in the program and it has to close. This happens somewhere midway when it starts flashing system.img and recovery.img
EDIT: I can't get in to recovery mode any more and neither can I flash any recovery
EDIT2: Don't ask me what I did, somehow managed to get the phone running in the 4.2.2 version of stock factory image. 4.4 wasn't working for some reason. Setting it up for use now.
Question: Can I simply download 4.4 factory image and install it on my Nexus 4 which came with 4.2.2. when I bought it?
Simply: Yes
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Simply: Yes
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Even when I wasn't able to follow any of the instructions you provided (my bad though) I would like to thank you for just posting on the thread man! :good:
BTW a good news that I'd want to share is that my contacts were backed up I lost on the media but its fine I think, probably a good lesson for future.
I'm updating to 4.3 from system update as of now, will use it as it is for time being and move on to 4.4 sometime later maybe. Not sure whether 4.4 will be available for update OTA once I move to 4.3 but I'm happy with whatever's left of the phone for now...thanks again!

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