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Call to Arms! - Root detection

There is a big problem on the horizon.....
Lovefilm and Sky Go on my iPad have stopped working due to my jailbreak...
Turns out Sky Go doesnt work on Rooted Android either!
As much as i hate Sky as a company we dont have much choice in the UK if you want some decent channels on TV. I dont even use their app that much but this trend seems to be catching on...
More and more apps are refusing to run on Jailbroken iOS and the same will be happening on Android soon enough. They are also actively patching any work arounds or hacks to stop people running apps on Rooted or JB devices.
i really hope some of the talented people who code for android can find a good solution to this problem or even better Google comes out and tells the world that Rooters should not lose out like this.
If we can make it so much work for them to keep fixing the holes then maybe they will get fed up with trying to patch them.
Because if we dont then more and more apps will follow!

irzero said:
There is a big problem on the horizon.....
Lovefilm and Sky Go on my iPad have stopped working due to my jailbreak...
Turns out Sky Go doesnt work on Rooted Android either!
As much as i hate Sky as a company we dont have much choice in the UK if you want some decent channels on TV. I dont even use their app that much but this trend seems to be catching on...
More and more apps are refusing to run on Jailbroken iOS and the same will be happening on Android soon enough. They are also actively patching any work arounds or hacks to stop people running apps on Rooted or JB devices.
i really hope some of the talented people who code for android can find a good solution to this problem or even better Google comes out and tells the world that Rooters should not lose out like this.
If we can make it so much work for them to keep fixing the holes then maybe they will get fed up with trying to patch them.
Because if we dont then more and more apps will follow!
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I know that feel bro
*insert hug meme*

irzero said:
There is a big problem on the horizon.....
Lovefilm and Sky Go on my iPad have stopped working due to my jailbreak...
Turns out Sky Go doesnt work on Rooted Android either!
As much as i hate Sky as a company we dont have much choice in the UK if you want some decent channels on TV. I dont even use their app that much but this trend seems to be catching on...
More and more apps are refusing to run on Jailbroken iOS and the same will be happening on Android soon enough. They are also actively patching any work arounds or hacks to stop people running apps on Rooted or JB devices.
i really hope some of the talented people who code for android can find a good solution to this problem or even better Google comes out and tells the world that Rooters should not lose out like this.
If we can make it so much work for them to keep fixing the holes then maybe they will get fed up with trying to patch them.
Because if we dont then more and more apps will follow!
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There are some apps out there that will temp unroot your phone so apps like that will work. then you just restore it(OTA rootkeeper allows this). Also I think Siyah kernel supports temp unrooting

graffixnyc said:
There are some apps out there that will temp unroot your phone so apps like that will work. then you just restore it(OTA rootkeeper allows this). Also I think Siyah kernel supports temp unrooting
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Siyah kernel does support temp unrooting, but somehow Sky Go still knows your phone is rooted, and it won't work. So far from the reading I have done there is no solution to this other than to flash back to a stock unrooted firmware.

I don't think it will become the rule on android, because there are to many apps that even need root, but at ios, probably because jailbreak is the only possibility to get, at least partially, out of their ecosystem.
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someone found a work around for the Barclays banking app I think...I'm sure it was here in general so you may find some hints there
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here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1823649
[HOW TO] Barclays Mobile Banking working on rooted S3

As far as I know. Sky Go has gotten around everything so far.
I see not to far in the future a situation where you have to either root and lose lots of apps you use or lose the root lose lots of apps you use.
That's a crap situation for sure
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Sky have invested a heck of a lot of time and money to making the latest Sky Go apps very very hard to hack!
They now do a lot of checking on their severs which makes it impossible for us to hack around.
I am sorry but I don't think we will ever get sky go working properly with root, and as soon as we did sky would update the app to fix the loophole.

Google won't do anything because rooted android isn't standard android. The android platform isn't built like windows or OS X, where the default is the user having root available.
Therefore security (DRM in particular) on those platforms is built with that in mind. Android isn't.
Also, while you might have the best of intentions there are plenty of root-users who would use it to copy content offline, trick it into thinking you have a subscription whe you don't etc.
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Lennyuk said:
Sky have invested a heck of a lot of time and money to making the latest Sky Go apps very very hard to hack!
They now do a lot of checking on their severs which makes it impossible for us to hack around.
I am sorry but I don't think we will ever get sky go working properly with root, and as soon as we did sky would update the app to fix the loophole.
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This sux for sure.
On iPad they sandboxed the app in its own virtual environment. could this trick it into think its running on unrooted firmware?

I can't see how there is no way around this. If the app tests root, deny it, if it scans for root binaries, change/rename them. What am I missing here? Is there some other level of detection somewhere?
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esist said:
Google won't do anything because rooted android isn't standard android. The android platform isn't built like windows or OS X, where the default is the user having root available.
Therefore security (DRM in particular) on those platforms is built with that in mind. Android isn't.
Also, while you might have the best of intentions there are plenty of root-users who would use it to copy content offline, trick it into thinking you have a subscription whe you don't etc.
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You cant get the content without a subscription anyway, the problem has been people UDID spoofing and getting more active devices than they are allowed. Its a joke that they limit this anyway they should just make it so you can only be logged in on 2 devices at any one time using traditional methods like IP address and IMEI

alias_neo said:
I can't see how there is no way around this. If the app tests root, deny it, if it scans for root binaries, change/rename them. What am I missing here? Is there some other level of detection somewhere?
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temporary unroot doesnt even work so i dont know how it works personally. Out of my depth on this

alias_neo said:
I can't see how there is no way around this. If the app tests root, deny it, if it scans for root binaries, change/rename them. What am I missing here? Is there some other level of detection somewhere?
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The Sky Go app is a bastard
This is a list of some of the things it checks (but not all)
- Root binaries
- Root App
- Phone model
- Android version
- Custom Recovery
- Custom Kernels
- IMEI checks (stops wifi-only tablets..)
The first 4 are simple to overcome, the last three cause major issues!

Lennyuk said:
The Sky Go app is a bastard
This is a list of some of the things it checks (but not all)
- Root binaries
- Root App
- Phone model
- Android version
- Custom Recovery
- Custom Kernels
- IMEI checks (stops wifi-only tablets..)
The first 4 are simple to overcome, the last three cause major issues!
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Why would that stop wifi tablets? it works on my iPad wifi only?

irzero said:
Why would that stop wifi tablets? it works on my iPad wifi only?
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the Apple skygo app works differently, it doesn't check for IMEI.
wifi-only android tablets do not have IMEI numbers so it will always fail this check

Lennyuk said:
The Sky Go app is a bastard
This is a list of some of the things it checks (but not all)
- Root binaries
- Root App
- Phone model
- Android version
- Custom Recovery
- Custom Kernels
- IMEI checks (stops wifi-only tablets..)
The first 4 are simple to overcome, the last three cause major issues!
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How in earth does this user space application have the ability to check custom recovery? I suppose kernel might be easy, but recovery??
Still, there must be ways around it.
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alias_neo said:
How in earth does this user space application have the ability to check custom recovery? I suppose kernel might be easy, but recovery??
Still, there must be ways around it.
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Thats the thing, we (me and two others who worked on hacking this app) couldn't work it out! But it definitely was detecting it, we tried it on Samsung and HTC devices with no root and stock kernel but with a custom recovery and sky go stopped worked, change back to stock recovery and the app works again but we could not find any code that checked it.
On most devices to get it to work you need a stock based rom, stock recovery (unless recovery is part of kernel like S2) stock based kernel (ro.secure=1 must be set!) no or hidden root. You then need to make sure you fit the device or version checks, if you don't you need a hacked app that allows you to do this.
However the latest sky go apps do a sever side check for the apps signature (so you cannot decompile and recompile without changing this). So basically we can no longer do even the most basic of hacks.

Lennyuk said:
Thats the thing, we (me and two others who worked on hacking this app) couldn't work it out! But it definitely was detecting it, we tried it on Samsung and HTC devices with no root and stock kernel but with a custom recovery and sky go stopped worked, change back to stock recovery and the app works again but we could not find any code that checked it.
On most devices to get it to work you need a stock based rom, stock recovery (unless recovery is part of kernel like S2) stock based kernel (ro.secure=1 must be set!) no or hidden root. You then need to make sure you fit the device or version checks, if you don't you need a hacked app that allows you to do this.
However the latest sky go apps do a sever side check for the apps signature (so you cannot decompile and recompile without changing this). So basically we can no longer do even the most basic of hacks.
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Surely you can modify it to spoof the signature the app uses to send to the server...
They really have gone all out eh.
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Well done sky, you bastards!
I have a Nexus 7 2012 WiFi only so ytheres no chance of using it on there :'(
Thanks LennyUK

How can I revert back to 4.1.2? This update ruined my stock nexus grrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Please tell me there's a way to revert if I'm stock? Or if I need to root i will since the Google idiots have f'ed up my perfect tablet, im pissed off, these morons did not even test this crap first! Thanks
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4.2. Is a flop as far as I'm concerned..
Download factory image here https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
Then use this guide here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1907796
Be mindful to make sure filenames are correct .(this is an older guide.)
If you want to save your data, back it up onto computer(this erases everything)

taqulic said:
4.2. Is a flop as far as I'm concerned..
Download factory image here https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
Then use this guide here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1907796
Be mindful to make sure filenames are correct .(this is an older guide.)
If you want to save your data, back it up onto computer(this erases everything)
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Or you can use Nexus 7 toolkit to download and flash back to stock with one step

tbh, grab WUG's nexus toolkit.
click the great "revert to stock" button
select stock nakasi 4.1.2
blah blah blah
once back and running, relock bootloader
fastboot oem unlock
back running stock 4.1.2
????
profit
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jt.one said:
tbh, grab WUG's nexus toolkit.
click the great "revert to stock" button
select stock nakasi 4.1.2
blah blah blah
once back and running, relock bootloader
fastboot oem unlock
back running stock 4.1.2
????
profit
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Huh? Lol I got the program but your directions are scary lol im a noob lol go easy on me but the line with? Marks leaves a lot to the imagination
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I downloaded the wug toolkit but how do you install it? It only gives me options to open as picture, audio, text an so on with es file explorer.
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LoL ha ha ha ha dude I am tripping over this cuz I to have a total stock N7 and I waited for the update OTA and then downloaded it and I absolutely have NO PROBLEMS with 4.2 so I guess my question is how did he download it was it from GOOGLE OTA or from someone who posted a zip just curious GOD BLESS YOU GUYS
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Pandemonium2k4 said:
Please tell me there's a way to revert if I'm stock? Or if I need to root i will since the Google idiots have f'ed up my perfect tablet, im pissed off, these morons did not even test this crap first! Thanks
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I'm curious if you are stock and didn't lose tablet mode or anything like that what you find so horrible about about 4.2?
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I have to agree this update should not have been released, I'm stock on the nexus 7 and its so buggy! It keeps stuttering, taken ages to load webpages , all that project butter has gone, not happy, funny enough it's perfect on my galaxy nexus which is running 4.2 stock rooted, BTW I got the update ota
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To add to this, I've just tried to set up a second user and the setup crashed once , gave me a blank screen for 10 seconds every time I pressed next, then the launcher crashed twice , gave me a blank screen for over a minute, stuttering when swiping side to side, even now as I type this its not registering a click then I click again and I get two letters ..... And pinch zoom is jerky! Wtf happened?!?! Hope there's a fix on the way, this is the one device I'm reluctant to root and install custom ROM simply because 4.1 was perfect

Guys just download nexus 7 toolkit and flash 4.1 image... Sorry, but even me (girl) was able to do this succesfully.

Lmfao ok ok you guys win haha but i am stock and it was official update. Im good on pcs but this is my first tablet, android is new to me anyway im on pain pills for broken leg from a motorcycle accident so my head is definitely not all there lately but ya lets hear the jokes about that now. And no that pervert in my pic is not me, although it fits my brain power lately lol
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Thanks for your reasoned response. I'm sure people will try to help you if you keep the tone more conciliatory. Could you be more specific about what has ruined your experience with the update? I honestly don't see that much different, other than having to wait a few days for devs to update borked apps. Stickmount is my biggest concern, and some of the video players. They'll get updated though. Hang in there and if you decide to go back, the Nexus Root Kit threads and WUGS toolkit thread at Android Forums can get you there if you carefully read the detailed instructions.

Groid said:
Thanks for your reasoned response. I'm sure people will try to help you if you keep the tone more conciliatory. Could you be more specific about what has ruined your experience with the update? I honestly don't see that much different, other than having to wait a few days for devs to update borked apps. Stickmount is my biggest concern, and some of the video players. They'll get updated though. Hang in there and if you decide to go back, the Nexus Root Kit threads and WUGS toolkit thread at Android Forums can get you there if you carefully read the detailed instructions.
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The dev for stickymount says it may not be solvable, Multi-user by default is a nightmare.

I will learn from this not to jump the gun, but mostly I read that the update was good. Youtube app crashes within a min, firefox, boat browser crash, amazon app store wont save my login now, there's more but cant think of at the moment. Oh Gmail app crashes, Google currents crashes and I haven't tried half of my other apps yet but I've seen enough to know this is complete crap. Im just mad that i have to illegally root and use someone's homemade software to restore my tablet, not sure it is illegal to root, nor would I care but it's the point.
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Pandemonium2k4 said:
I will learn from this not to jump the gun, but mostly I read that the update was good. Youtube app crashes within a min, firefox, boat browser crash, amazon app store wont save my login now, there's more but cant think of at the moment. Oh Gmail app crashes, Google currents crashes and I haven't tried half of my other apps yet but I've seen enough to know this is complete crap. Im just mad that i have to illegally root and use someone's homemade software to restore my tablet, not sure it is illegal to root, nor would I care but it's the point.
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Yeah i noticed after updating that some of my apps that reinstalled after the update would crash when i tried opening them for the 1st time. i unistalled then reinstalled them and they worked fine after that. i too am not really liking the update hopefully i can find a way to revert back to 4.1.2 easily or theres some work arounds (especially for stick mount as mentioned earlier)

All this talk about apps not working is not on the new OS....well it kinda is but not really.
android releases the OS and DEVS have to update their apps to work with the new OS. they do this with the android SDK (i think) IMO, google SHOULD release the SDK for the new OS about a month out. giving Devs the option to update their apps before the OS hits getting rid of all "these" types of posts.
also, FWIW, i did a clean install of 4.2 and i haven't had a singe app crash on me except MX player (which was updated yesterday for 4.2) other than that, everything is smooth, fast, working wonderfully. i know its not what you want to hear, but maybe a clean wipe of the device would be best. Google wont put out a crappy update....but sometimes, for some reasons unknown, it doesn't take well to and update with all the user apps and their data. at the very lease, clear cache and see how it works.

turdbogls said:
All this talk about apps not working is not on the new OS....well it kinda is but not really.
android releases the OS and DEVS have to update their apps to work with the new OS. they do this with the android SDK (i think) IMO, google SHOULD release the SDK for the new OS about a month out. giving Devs the option to update their apps before the OS hits getting rid of all "these" types of posts.
also, FWIW, i did a clean install of 4.2 and i haven't had a singe app crash on me except MX player (which was updated yesterday for 4.2) other than that, everything is smooth, fast, working wonderfully. i know its not what you want to hear, but maybe a clean wipe of the device would be best. Google wont put out a crappy update....but sometimes, for some reasons unknown, it doesn't take well to and update with all the user apps and their data. at the very lease, clear cache and see how it works.
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Completely agree. They new update 4.2 corrected a lot of bugs. The power management is a lot better and the memory management too. Ive run some test and saw that the system load is quite inferior to what it was before due to a more clean management process

Use Mskips toolkit. Option 9 lets you download the 4.1.2 stock image. Easy peasy
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TokenAntiAppleRant said:
Use Mskips toolkit. Option 9 lets you download the 4.1.2 stock image. Easy peasy
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Look how easy this was when a decent person helps, thanks for the help! All rooted and flashed back! Thanks to all who actually helped!

First I wanna ask anyone who says the 4.2 update is terrible if they even tried a full data wipe/factory reset? If not, try that before accusing Google of releasing buggy firmware. It could be your stinkin data/apps fault
Pandemonium2k4 said:
Look how easy this was when a decent person helps, thanks for the help! All rooted and flashed back! Thanks to all who actually helped!
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Most to all the people were decent. Plenty of people pointed you in the right direction, or linked to a guide. You gotta do a little researching and educate yourself a little so you understand the whole process.
Pandemonium2k4 said:
I will learn from this not to jump the gun, but mostly I read that the update was good. Youtube app crashes within a min, firefox, boat browser crash, amazon app store wont save my login now, there's more but cant think of at the moment. Oh Gmail app crashes, Google currents crashes and I haven't tried half of my other apps yet but I've seen enough to know this is complete crap. Im just mad that i have to illegally root and use someone's homemade software to restore my tablet, not sure it is illegal to root, nor would I care but it's the point.
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Nope, it's not illegal to root.. it will supposedly be illegal to unlock a phone (for another network) without the network's consent though.
Just think..there's no reason at all running custom firmware/roms/rooting can be illegal on a nexus device, why do you think the bootloader is effortlessly unlockable?
And if you think about it, no, it's not really crazy that is a "hassle" to revert to old firmware, because
A) most devices (Apple comes to mind) you can't do this, unless certain conditions apply (if you backed up SHSH blobs, etc etc)
B) if you understood the process of flashing the stock rom, and if you had ADB/fastboot setup correctly, it's simple as pie to flash the old firmware. And the "homemade software" is just an interface for n00bs (like yourself) and would not exist if it didn't use adb and fastboot behind the hood. And if you think it was hard to do what you did, you should try to do it on a device with a locked bootloader: (droid x2 comes to mind) it's a nightmare
So basically, Google has this wonderful OS and provides devs and users alike these wonderful tools (and Nexus hardware to match) at our disposable.
Idk about you, but I say kudos Google!
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What are the PROS and CONS of rooting a Nexus

The Nexus 4 is my first Nexus device, and people are saying to root and unlock bootloaders and all that.
Why should you root a nexus device? I'm not planning on putting any custom Roms because the stock ROM already pleases me enough.
If you rooted your device, why did you do it? I don't know if I should take the plunge, because I'm perfectly happy ATM with it not rooted.
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If you're happy without root and you don't know what root does, then don't root. It's for people wanting more out of their phone than is possible with stock

jacklebott said:
If you're happy without root and you don't know what root does, then don't root. It's for people wanting more out of their phone than is possible with stock
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The thing is I know what root is and does, but does it make sense with a pure Google nexus phone? I just need the pros. Don't get me wrong, I want to make the jump but idk why I should
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I would do it to be able to use the programs that require super user. Titanium Backup for example, if I want to restore my games.
Don't do if you are not sure what are you going to do with that.
EDIT: "idk why I should", maybe then it's not completely true "The thing is I know what root is and does". In my case I would first get very well informed (I don't want to break my phone), and then proceed. Just in case that someday I need an app with superuser permissions. And unlocking the bootloader first of all, I don't want to lose everything the day I decide to do it.
PD: I must wait 5 minutes, maybe my edit looks odd by then

I've always at minimum unlocked the bootloader, even if I don't plan on taking it much further. Reason being is the forced wipe when/if you do decide to later.
Phil

If I unlock and root it. Will it be easy to restore, so I have warranty and can send it back to Google?
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timvdlinde said:
If I unlock and root it. Will it be easy to restore, so I have warranty and can send it back to Google?
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Yep, just lock it the same way you unlocked it "fastboot oem lock" after flashing stock 4.2 from https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#occam

Dude, no offense but how may threads are you gonna start basically asking the same question? Everything you're asking is in the stickies in each of these sections. Read the stickies first, completely.
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If we are talking just plain rooting... I mainly do that to install adfree android, as well as allowing tasker access to higher level settings, and allowing me to access protected files (I recently replaced my default browser with one that I made some modifications in the code). I also use of titanium backup, but lately I haven't had need for it.... but its nice to have

Pro:
AD BLOCK - This is the most important reason for me, and the reason I use to convince friends who just don't know computers stuff, let alone android.
Back Up - The ability to completely back up the phone is just golden. I think I don't have to explain why backing up is important, or why you might want to back up your contacts, text message, saved games, etc. all at the same time instead of doing each of them individually.
Yes, there is a cloud. But do you totally trust the sync service and cloud's server?
Cons:
Rooting voids warranties - But you can unroot and relock the bootloader later.
Not getting OTA - You can always sideload it. All it takes is a few command line on the computer and a few touch on your device.
Edit: I was wrong about the not getting OTA part. But, still, you can always sideload OTA if you can't get OTA.
Needless to say, I root every single of my Android phone a few hours after I get them.

KyraOfFire said:
Pro:
AD BLOCK - This is the most important reason for me, and the reason I use to convince friends who just don't know computers stuff, let alone android.
Back Up - The ability to completely back up the phone is just golden. I think I don't have to explain why backing up is important, or why you might want to back up your contacts, text message, saved games, etc. all at the same time instead of doing each of them individually.
Yes, there is a cloud. But do you totally trust the sync service and cloud's server?
Cons:
Rooting voids warranties - But you can unroot and relock the bootloader later.
Not getting OTA - You can always sideload it. All it takes is a few command line on the computer and a few touch on your device.
Needless to say, I root every single of my Android phone a few hours after I get them.
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So if i root i won't be able to get the ota update, wow thats pretty lame, I know there is an app to keep the root.

KyraOfFire said:
Cons:
Not getting OTA - You can always sideload it. All it takes is a few command line on the computer and a few touch on your device.
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Wrong. My phone is rooted ( running stock rom ) and I received OTA update.

You only don't get OTA with root if you modify/delete certain system files (such as apps)

Just rooted
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Root or not to root

I'm no computer whiz so what are the advantages of rooting this phone as it seems plenty fast as is.

Well, with rooting, it's pretty much like being the Admin of your computer. So for starters, you have control over many more phone functions, especially when it comes to something like tethering. There are more apps and themes and ROMs available for you to use, which will cut down on battery usage, give you a better looking set of themes, and allow you to overclock not only your processor but also your GPU.
It's definitely something that isn't terribly essential, but it does make the phone more.....yours, so to speak.

Looks like I'm rooting and is there a way to unroot in case you need to send it back to Sprint so restoring to factory settings.

Yea you can flash back to stock and they'll never even know you had it rooted or had a custom rom
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Yup, unrooting is easy. Here's one such app that allows you to temporarily unroot or unroot completely: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.projectvoodoo.otarootkeeper&hl=en
There's several other apps like this and a lot of guides on how to do it.

3 main reasons why I root all my devices:
1. Add app data backup (mainly games) to my new device
2. Tether
3. Flash custom roms

Root.
As previously stated, more performance, battery gains, and free tethering are only a few of the advantages....
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Curious about the bootloader and S-OFF unlocking possibilities on each carrier... Anyone know any info?

it is necessary
you can be the admin of your phone. you control it , not the phone control you.

Besides all the reasons some folks have mentioned, I also root to use ad-blockers..
So I do not have to put up with ads is some apps.

Hoggles said:
Curious about the bootloader and S-OFF unlocking possibilities on each carrier... Anyone know any info?
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Samsung devices doesn't have "S OFF". It's only htc devices. Bootloader maybe locked, depending on your carrier
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Well I want root asap on mine, going to have to uninstall all those S-lag apps Samsung added. Ones no one really needs and jsut slow the phone down. S heath and S Apps etc

The main reasons I'm going to root ASAP are because I want to enable an ad-blocker, wifi tether, restore some apps and disable some of the bloatware on the AT&T model. I'm going to try and stick with the stock ROM at least for a couple months. I've been using AOKP for a good 6 months on the GS3, it will be a nice change to go back to Touchwiz for a bit. (hopefully)

I will also be rooting mine as soon as I get it, so that I can restore everything from my s3 to it. I won't worry about custom roms for this phone for a while, although I'm sure that thread will explode in a few weeks.

I think I am leaving this one stocks for once. At least for a little while
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root because there will be massive amounts of mods available. i know because i'll be working on quite a few
cheers!

I'm starting to think I'll get my 9500 this week and there won't be root for it. If I can't restore with Ti then it will sit in the box for a bit.

Sarcron said:
Yup, unrooting is easy. Here's one such app that allows you to temporarily unroot or unroot completely: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.projectvoodoo.otarootkeeper&hl=en
There's several other apps like this and a lot of guides on how to do it.
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Must be rooted in order to use OTA RootKeeper from Play!
This application makes a backup or a protected backup of your device's root.
This device must already be rooted: OTA RootKeeper doesn't have the ability to root devices.
Link to thread from Chainfire about getting i9505 root
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AmesCell said:
I'm starting to think I'll get my 9500 this week and there won't be root for it. If I can't restore with Ti then it will sit in the box for a bit.
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"sit in the box for a bit" ... like 2-3 minutes :laugh:

Mine may as well be shipped prerooted. I'm going to make sure my 'life companion' will really be my life companion lol.

I have decided to root if nothing else so I can tether. I also like to change the boot animation and shutdown animation. Looks like I'll be doing a lot of learning from you XDA guys.

[Q] Reboots

Hey Ladies and Gents,
I've updated my Note3 to the latest Update and installed Scotts Clean Rom 1.5 and it ran great until I started restoring my apps. Once all apps were restored (from the Play store, not from my Titanium BU Archive) the phone started rebooting and was stuck in a loop, couldn't get it back to the homescreen. Googled and found that some folks say "Remove your SD card and turn off the constant Wi-Fi scanning" but that didn't help, so I wiped and re-installed the Rom....all was well...until I restored my Apps again. I don't know which App could be causing this, they're all from the Play Store and all of my apps are Paid Apps (Don't like Ads in my apps so I pay for them if they have a Pay App available). Just wiped again and haven't restored any apps, but rebooted the device myself about 5 times, everything works.
Have any of you ever seen this before? Most of my Apps are Camera and Photo Editing Apps. I'm not going to restore anything because I need my phone work work, so I'll only attach my Personal and Work E-mails to it, but that's not going to fly for long. Apparently the Boot-Looping issue is known http://www.sammobile.com/2013/10/17/some-galaxy-note-3-units-experiencing-boot-loops/
Any ideas ?
Thanks.

Have you tried restoring 1 app at a time to narrow it down?
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neopolotin75 said:
Have you tried restoring 1 app at a time to narrow it down?
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That'll be my next step....I have over 450 paid apps, so I'm going to weed out the apps that I don't use all the time, and focus on the ones I do use. It will be time consuming.....

tdetroit said:
That'll be my next step....I have over 450 paid apps, so I'm going to weed out the apps that I don't use all the time, and focus on the ones I do use. It will be time consuming.....
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That's a lot of apps. Lol. That will probably be your best bet though...pack a lunch. Lol
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neopolotin75 said:
That's a lot of apps. Lol. That will probably be your best bet though...pack a lunch. Lol
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LOL...I'm an App-o-holic.

I just downloaded another ROM for the new update, and I'll load all of my apps with that to see if it's isolated by ROM's or Apps. It's a snowy wonderland outside, so there's nothing better to do than play with my phone and figure this out.

Ok....this is odd. I've tried a different ROM and installed ALL of my apps, no issues, no rebooting.....so one of my apps doesn't like to play with Scotts Clean Rom.....hmmmmm. Seeing how there are only two ROM's available that are for the new OTA update, I'm going to stick with this ROM and install Scotts into another slot and then go one by one, and see why/how/which app is not playing nice.