Been off contract with ATT for almost 5 years now. Is it worth it to pay $30 for the phone + $20 tax and sign a new contract? I have been using iOS for sometime now and looking to start modding again. I've been out of loop for so long and not sure how much this device is actually worth considering I'd be trapped in contract for the next two years.
Input/suggestions appreciated thank you.
Pay full price for Google edition of s4. I love mine but locked bootloader is annoying. Nothing is worth going back on contact.
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Pay full price for Google edition of s4. I love mine but locked bootloader is annoying. Nothing is worth going back on contact.
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does a locked bootloader mean it can't be rooted? or does it mean it can't be unlocked?
Locked bootloader causes all kinds of issues in the loading process. I'm no expert like outler but depending the firmware currently on the phone when you buy you might be out of luck. There was an exploit to flash around the locked bootloader not an unlocking per se but tricking the phone into thinking the bot was legit. But a recent update fixed the exploit and blew the qfuse making it impossible to revert to previous formate versions. If I had known Google was releasing a s4 variant I would have paid the premium.
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Locked bootloader causes all kinds of issues in the loading process. I'm no expert like outler but depending the firmware currently on the phone when you buy you might be out of luck. There was an exploit to flash around the locked bootloader not an unlocking per se but tricking the phone into thinking the bot was legit. But a recent update fixed the exploit and blew the qfuse making it impossible to revert to previous formate versions. If I had known Google was releasing a s4 variant I would have paid the premium.
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okay so the consensus is to not purchase the device on ATT. I thought at $30 was a steal but now it looks like I'd pay $30+TAXachusetts+contract+No Freedom = I'd be pissed
redbandana said:
okay so the consensus is to not purchase the device on ATT. I thought at $30 was a steal but now it looks like I'd pay $30+TAXachusetts+contract+No Freedom = I'd be pissed
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Take thay steal and sell it for as much as you can on craigslist, use that money to either buy
A) T-Mobile variant full price (identical to att but no locked bootloader, same service bands same hardware)
B) galaxy s4 google edition (comes with a nexus experience rom...aosp with a little but of hidden TW proprietary files)
Personally...I would go for the t-mobilw, why? Because you can flash a google edition rom on tmobile variant if you want and it will be identical to GE.
The google edition does not support touchwiz roms (correct me if im wrong) however the other variants support google edition roms
You can prob get around 500 for the s4, so youd have to pay another 100 on top of that plus tax for a full priced differnt variant s4
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Take thay steal and sell it for as much as you can on craigslist, use that money to either buy
A) T-Mobile variant full price (identical to att but no locked bootloader, same service bands same hardware)
B) galaxy s4 google edition (comes with a nexus experience rom...aosp with a little but of hidden TW proprietary files)
Personally...I would go for the t-mobilw, why? Because you can flash a google edition rom on tmobile variant if you want and it will be identical to GE.
The google edition does not support touchwiz roms (correct me if im wrong) however the other variants support google edition roms
You can prob get around 500 for the s4, so youd have to pay another 100 on top of that plus tax for a full priced differnt variant s4
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Thanks for your reply, I read a few articles regarding the locked bootloader, yet I see custom roms that are rooted. I'm confused how exactly custom roms are installed on att devices yet the bootloader can't be unlocked. Sorry, this would be my first android device. WinMo guy switched to iOS 'cause of stability issues.
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Thanks for your reply, I read a few articles regarding the locked bootloader, yet I see custom roms that are rooted. I'm confused how exactly custom roms are installed on att devices yet the bootloader can't be unlocked. Sorry, this would be my first android device. WinMo guy switched to iOS 'cause of stability issues.
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Previous firmwares had a vulnerability that was exploited by djrbliss which allowed us to bypass the locked bootloader and flash custom recoveries.
AT&T, (along with Verizon) since the release of the exploit, has patched this vulnerability, making the installing of custom recoveries impossible (at least for now until another exploit is discovered) for the users who took the OTA or who unfortunately bought the device with the latest firmware installed.
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I agree with the person above. get it for 30, sell it for like 500, add 150+, and get the GE edition. that's what i would do.
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Previous firmwares had a vulnerability that was exploited by djrbliss which allowed us to bypass the locked bootloader and flash custom recoveries.
AT&T, (along with Verizon) since the release of the exploit, has patched this vulnerability, making the installing of custom recoveries impossible (at least for now until another exploit is discovered) for the users who took the OTA or who unfortunately bought the device with the latest firmware installed.
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I agree with the person above. get it for 30, sell it for like 500, add 150+, and get the GE edition. that's what i would do.
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I probably won't get it at all then. Technically dropping $50 short term. Selling for $460-$500 Approximately $450 profit and stuck in a two year contract, unless I opt out after 14 days and pay the ETF and I'd be out another $350. Profit ~$100. Does the HTC One for ATT have a locked bootloader? I wouldn't mind if bloatware wasn't an issue
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I probably won't get it at all then. Technically dropping $50 short term. Selling for $460-$500 Approximately $450 profit and stuck in a two year contract, unless I opt out after 14 days and pay the ETF and I'd be out another $350. Profit ~$100. Does the HTC One for ATT have a locked bootloader? I wouldn't mind if bloatware wasn't an issue
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Yes it does(unlockable via HTC dev. com? )
and is also fully convertible to GE edition that receives OTA updates from HTC/Google.
if you don't mind the awkward button placement and a ultrapixel camera, go for it.
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Yes it does(unlockable via HTC dev. com? )
and is also fully convertible to GE edition that receives OTA updates from HTC/Google.
if you don't mind the awkward button placement and a ultrapixel camera, go for it.
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Yes, that site will unlock it.
Time for a rant.
I have heard multiple rumors that bootloader unlocks may be a thing of the past. That scares me. Verizon and AT&T have publicly stated that they are doing their best to keep bootloaders locked.
Last I checked, unlocking a phone that I PAID FOR is not illegal in any way: knowing that, shouldn't I be able to do what I want with MY phone? I can go out and buy performance parts for my Eclipse all day long, and Mitsubishi isn't going to call me up and confiscate my engine if I swap the turbo in it.
I want to know if anyone else has heard anything to confirm or deny these fears--- will we be stuck with stock phones forever, or be forced to buy Google Editions or to use our phones the way we want them to be? I am going to call Verizon and propose a change- for the top selling phones, release a consumer edition on the designated release date- then, at a later date, if the phone sells very well, release a Developer Edition for a different price. That way, everyone is happy.
Okay, rant over.
So, been looking at the Note 3. Been tempted to pick it up. Just now finding out there is a Dev Edition with an unlocked bootloader. Right now Verizon has the retail Note 3 on sale for $599 (goes back up to $699 tomorrow). I'm ready to splurge on it, but should I get the Dev Edition instead? If so, where do you find them? Even though what I've read suggests that Verizon and Samsung have teamed up to offer the Dev Edition, the Verizon store nearest me has never heard of the DevEd and says they'd never sell anything with an unlocked bootloader (no surprise there).
Does the DevEd offer anything that you guys haven't already achieved with the retail version?
Samsung has the Verizon developer edition listed: http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SM-N900VMKEVZW but it's still not available. My brother just bought the $599 regular phone from Verizon because he didn't think the developer version was worth waiting for or worth an extra $100.
Ah, gotcha.
I just picked up the retail version for $599. Gonna see what version it's on and all that. I mainly just need free tethering for my iPad. That's a must-have for me and the main reason I was hesitant to leave the DNA.
I've never been much for custom roms, as they always seem to develop issues and I feel like I'm constantly troubleshooting something. I rooted/unlocked my DNA just to get WiFi Tether working and never did anything else to it. Served me well the whole year without any major issues. No real reason for me to wait around for the DevEd Note and pay more for it.
64 gig version of Moto X now available on motomaker for U.S. users.
check it out.
https://www.motorola.com/us/motomaker?pid=FLEXR1#interior/memory
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64 gig version of Moto X now available on motomaker for U.S. users.
check it out.
https://www.motorola.com/us/motomaker?pid=FLEXR1#interior/memory
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I only see the 32GB option.
Edit: Now i get 64GB. Niiice!
Well that sucks, earlier I got in on the Moto X for a penny trial thing, would have been nice to have had this one as an option.
This should have been available from the beginning.
Excited to see this, but it jumps to 499 at checkout and there isn't a 64GB developer edition. It kinda gives me a reason to get a custom one I guess. I'm also under the impression that this means that X+1 is going to take longer to release than I thought or Motorola has a buttload of MotoX shells to get rid of still. I gotta see how much I can sell my Developer edition for and I guess I'll decide to either jump on this or wait for the next one.
Edit. I went back to see if they fixed the checkout and realized that it isn't an error. $449 is for republic wireless. I guess they are subsidizing it slightly.
The Moto design site starts out at $449 for the 64gig version, then the select carrier page bumps you up to $499 for the GSM Unlocked version. What's that about?
It's $50 cheaper for the Republic Wireless version. Same for the 32 and 16GB versions too. It's been that way from the beginning I believe.
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From what I have read the T-Mobile version can be rooted just as easily as the GSM Dev Edition. Unlocking the bootloader on the T-Mobile phone voids the warranty, unlike on the GSM Dev Edition. Other carriers may have the X locked down more.
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From what I have read the T-Mobile version can be rooted just as easily as the GSM Dev Edition. Unlocking the bootloader on the T-Mobile phone voids the warranty, unlike on the GSM Dev Edition. Other carriers may have the X locked down more.
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Motomakers are what these are...no? I was sure they can't be unlocked.
And definitely republic wireless can't be.
I'm waiting on the 64GB unlocked GSM version from the 2 week trial. The unlocked gsm is the same as the T-Mobile version and the bootloader can be unlocked.
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So, correct me if I'm wrong: the GSM unlocked version (which still made me choose the AT&T/T-Mobile option to get the unlocked version) can or can not be rooted? I know it can be bootloader unlocked, at least according the Motorola bootloader unlocking page (I chose the T-Mobile version there and it shows as bootloader unlockable).
I mean, it's entirely possible that these trial phones will have their specific IMEI numbers (if you ordered one for the 14 day trial) added to some other entirely different internal blacklist that won't let us unlock them for the trial period, that's my concern.
I fully intend to do everything possible with this phone when I get it - that's what a trial period is for, and when it's shipped back (if it doesn't live up to my expectations) they can easily just reset it in a few minutes time (bootloader locked, restored to factory state, even alter the IMEI and program it with an entirely new one if they want, it's their damned device).
As long as I know it can be rooted and then bootloader unlocked so I can play around with some ROMs, I'm cool with that and could decide to keep it. If not, then I'll just toy with it and send it back - again, it's just a penny so it's not like I'm breaking the bank or anything.
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So, correct me if I'm wrong: the GSM unlocked version (which still made me choose the AT&T/T-Mobile option to get the unlocked version) can or can not be rooted? I know it can be bootloader unlocked, at least according the Motorola bootloader unlocking page (I chose the T-Mobile version there and it shows as bootloader unlockable).
I mean, it's entirely possible that these trial phones will have their specific IMEI numbers (if you ordered one for the 14 day trial) added to some other entirely different internal blacklist that won't let us unlock them for the trial period, that's my concern.
I fully intend to do everything possible with this phone when I get it - that's what a trial period is for, and when it's shipped back (if it doesn't live up to my expectations) they can easily just reset it in a few minutes time (bootloader locked, restored to factory state, even alter the IMEI and program it with an entirely new one if they want, it's their damned device).
As long as I know it can be rooted and then bootloader unlocked so I can play around with some ROMs, I'm cool with that and could decide to keep it. If not, then I'll just toy with it and send it back - again, it's just a penny so it's not like I'm breaking the bank or anything.
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They could see you unlocked the bootloader and send it back to you and charge you. If unlocking voids warranty, which it does on anything that's not a dev edition, then it may affect returning it too.
A possibility anyway.
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Motomakers are what these are...no? I was sure they can't be unlocked.
And definitely republic wireless can't be.
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It depends on the carrier.
Verizon and ATT moto makers can't be unlocked. You are right, Replublic Wireless can't be unlocked.
However, Sprint and the "GSM Unlocked (ships with T-Mobile SIM)" variants can be. Some other carriers can too.
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So, correct me if I'm wrong: the GSM unlocked version (which still made me choose the AT&T/T-Mobile option to get the unlocked version) can or can not be rooted? I know it can be bootloader unlocked, at least according the Motorola bootloader unlocking page (I chose the T-Mobile version there and it shows as bootloader unlockable).
I mean, it's entirely possible that these trial phones will have their specific IMEI numbers (if you ordered one for the 14 day trial) added to some other entirely different internal blacklist that won't let us unlock them for the trial period, that's my concern.
I fully intend to do everything possible with this phone when I get it - that's what a trial period is for, and when it's shipped back (if it doesn't live up to my expectations) they can easily just reset it in a few minutes time (bootloader locked, restored to factory state, even alter the IMEI and program it with an entirely new one if they want, it's their damned device).
As long as I know it can be rooted and then bootloader unlocked so I can play around with some ROMs, I'm cool with that and could decide to keep it. If not, then I'll just toy with it and send it back - again, it's just a penny so it's not like I'm breaking the bank or anything.
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If you do anything that voids the warranty while you are "trying it for $.01" they will likely refuse return.
If you are buying a Moto Maker X, unlocking its bootloader DOES void the warranty just by completing the action of requesting the code from Moto. You are submitting unique info to Moto about the phone you are unlocking, so expect they will know you have requested the unlock code.
And as for Moto can"easily" re-lock the bootloader, it depends on if its an eFuse or not. Using mFastboot, we can get the bootloader status to unlock and relock, not LOCK. If its an eFuse, moto likely can't set it back to lock without replacing components.
Can you get a developer edition for a penny? If so you do keep warranty for unlocking. I cannot verify whether or not they will accept the return, for that I would call Motorola and request confirmation in writing that they will accept the return even if you unlock the boot loader. If yes, get it, test it, if you like it send it back and order the Moto Maker one you want.
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Can you get a developer edition for a penny? If so you do keep warranty for unlocking. I cannot verify whether or not they will accept the return, for that I would call Motorola and request confirmation in writing that they will accept the return even if you unlock the boot loader. If yes, get it, test it, if you like it send it back and order the Moto Maker one you want.
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The "Try Then Buy" FAQ clearly stated that the regular non-Moto Maker version, the Moto Maker version, and the Dev Edition were all supposed to be available for that offer but I tried several times to get the Dev Edition and each time I punched in the promo code they sent me, it wouldn't apply the discount and the price remained $449 and change. After maybe 5 attempts, I decided to contact them using their "instant chat" support and the first time it said I was number 18 in the queue so I waited 14 minutes and when I got to being number 3 in the queue, it kicked me out and said their instant chat support was offline.
I waited a minute, reconnected to the chat support thing and it said I was number 27 with a wait time of 35 minutes so I said the hell with it and just ordered a Moto Maker edition, hence my question(s) above about rooting/unlocking.
For 14 days it's my phone, that's how the deal goes, so I'm going to use it as if it were my actual device, that's the only way I'm going to know if I want to actually keep it - I'll fire off an email to 'em when it arrives to clarify things, but if I do end up rooting it and unlocking the bootloader and then they refuse the return of the phone, well... guess I'll be getting it for free, who knows.
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The "Try Then Buy" FAQ clearly stated that the regular non-Moto Maker version, the Moto Maker version, and the Dev Edition were all supposed to be available for that offer but I tried several times to get the Dev Edition and each time I punched in the promo code they sent me, it wouldn't apply the discount and the price remained $449 and change. After maybe 5 attempts, I decided to contact them using their "instant chat" support and the first time it said I was number 18 in the queue so I waited 14 minutes and when I got to being number 3 in the queue, it kicked me out and said their instant chat support was offline.
I waited a minute, reconnected to the chat support thing and it said I was number 27 with a wait time of 35 minutes so I said the hell with it and just ordered a Moto Maker edition, hence my question(s) above about rooting/unlocking.
For 14 days it's my phone, that's how the deal goes, so I'm going to use it as if it were my actual device, that's the only way I'm going to know if I want to actually keep it - I'll fire off an email to 'em when it arrives to clarify things, but if I do end up rooting it and unlocking the bootloader and then they refuse the return of the phone, well... guess I'll be getting it for free, who knows.
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I'm sure they won't let you have it free. Lol
And yes, you will void the warranty.... And therefore probably void your chance to return it.
Remember.....us rooters are a very....very tiny fraction of their customers. They don't think of us when they make deals, or rules or promos.....most will try it, not change a single thing and keep it or return it. Then WE come along, void its warranty and try to return it. Nope....not happening. You own it now. Pay up. Or bye bye imei. And now you own a pretty paperweight.
And.....if moto is smart, which they seem to be, any device on this promo....no matter the carrier....won't be eligible to unlock on their site. Didn't think of that one....did we. I'm betting they won't be eligible to unlock on motos site, not until the deal is done and you keep it. ?
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Also....come on now....you don't NEED root to know if you like a device. Lol
Very valid points KJ. Sad thing is I've had root since day one and I barely use apps that require it anymore. With the recent updates and the ability to disable apps without TiBu my battery life is fine so the only thing I've used root for is kernel tweaks.
Try the phone, if you even remotely like it without root, you'll like it that much more with it.
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Very valid points KJ. Sad thing is I've had root since day one and I barely use apps that require it anymore. With the recent updates and the ability to disable apps without TiBu the only thing I've used root for is kernel tweaks.
Try the phone, if you even remotely like it without root, you'll like it that much more with it.
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I'd die without root. Lol. Luckily I research first and would never own a device I can't root.
Yeah, I don't get the attitude about its mine for 14 days. Its yours to TRY they are saying. Taking it apart physically or unlocking boot loaders and messing with the system is not something they will be happy about. They'll just laugh, send it back to you and say congrats on your new purchase. Lol.
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I'd die without root. Lol. Luckily I research first and would never own a device I can't root.
Yeah, I don't get the attitude about its mine for 14 days. Its yours to TRY they are saying. Taking it apart physically or unlocking boot loaders and messing with the system is not something they will be happy about. They'll just laugh, send it back to you and say congrats on your new purchase. Lol.
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I would never own a phone without an unlockable boot loader. Until the Nexus5 all my phones had CM and I bought my phones based on having a stable-ish build. I understand your point.
I think I should teach many of you in here something my father taught me as a kid.
If something isn't yours return it how you found it. If you break it, you replace it.
Otherwise known as "you break it, you bought it."
Here are quick instructions for people interested in ordering the Developer Edition Verizon Note 4 so you don't have to go searching through the threads. Its easy!
1) Go to: http://www.cachedpages.com/
2) Type into the cache look up: http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cel...SM-N910VMKEVZW
3) Then add the Developer Edition to your cart.
4) Login to your Samsung account: and follow through with your order.
Its that easy and available now. I look forward to development on the Verizon Note 4 Developer Edition. Good times ahead!
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I think the official page went up now.
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SM-N910VMKEVZW
Got it. Thanks.
Is it worth getting the Dev. edition. I got the retail version today and just sold my Note 3. I dont want to have to sell this one then wait for the shipping of the new one. I will be happy with root access. right now none of the Verizon editions have root. Am I right?
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Is it worth getting the Dev. edition. I got the retail version today and just sold my Note 3. I dont want to have to sell this one then wait for the shipping of the new one. I will be happy with root access. right now none of the Verizon editions have root. Am I right?
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Dev edition does