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Small review on the camera on the Note 2 vs iPhone 4

I have decided to do a little comparison test with the Galaxy note 2 and my old iPhone 4. I have only recently come aboard the good ship Android, so I am still finding my way around. Although I fully understand that the camera does not make or break the phone, for me it is one of the features that I rely on now and again.
I love taking a picture with my SLR but there are times when you cannot use the SLR, or times when you do not want to take it out so for me the camera is something I use. If it had been my sole requirement i would have probably chosen the Nokia 808 Pureview, but Nokia decided to cripple their phones using their chosen software - but that's is another debate.
I didn’t want to do a tremendous amount of testing so I decided to use the stock apps on both phones. I have paid a little more detail to the Note 2 with looking at the normal picture setting and the low light function. I may use another application on the note as the standard camera app is not the best.
I placed a book, a battery and a sound card in my photo booth. The reason for these items was to get something with a plain colour (the book) something that is small but has a little bit of detail (battery) and something that has a lot of detail (sound card). All tests were conducted indoors, nothing outdoors as of yet.
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From both images you can see there is a definite difference. The iPhones image has a little more ‘viberance’ to it. Overall the colour on the iPhone looks better overall whereas the note 2 image looks a little washed out, however this is purely subjective and I like my photos to have a little more saturation. When viewing photos on the AMOLED screen they do look incredibly vibrant, however, on a normal monitor they do not. What is quite interesting is that the file size of the iPhone 4 image is actually larger than that of the 8 mega pixel file form the Note 2. This could be for a number of reasons; one could be the amount of sharpening applied in the processing, another could be the amount of saturation the software adds to give it a little more ‘zing’.
When testing the sharpness and detail of a camera most magazines tend to do 100% crops showing how much detail can be resolved. The comparisons have been done below.
iPhone first, then Note 2.
Crop with low light mode enabled
From this quick demo you can see that there is a slight difference between the iPhone and the Samsung photos. Personally I don’t think its hardware related, I’m pretty sure that it is software related. I am going on the browse for some add free, free camera software and take a few photos with that.
Once again I would like to stress that this is just an indoor shot, and I have simply not had time to do any outdoor shots. Maybe I will try some on the weekend and report back then.
What do you lot think?

Like yourself it seems, photography is a big hobby of mine and whilst I use a DSLR normally too, I'm more than happy to have my Note 2 with me for quick snaps.
Looking at your test shots, I'd say overall there's not much between them.
iPhone is definitely more vibrant, but the Note 2 shots look more natural. Looking at the uncropped shots, the Note 2 seems to give a clearer image but when viewed at 100% the iPhone seems to have captured slightly more detail. I'd say the Note 2 controls noise better, especially with low light mode. Even without low light mode the Note 2 seems to use more noise control than the iPhone. The downside to this is that more noise control can lead to softer shots, which is why the iPhone shots looks a touch sharper, if a little grainy.
Could all just be my eyes though
Random fact... the Note 2 was originally meant to ship with a 13MP Sony sensor, but Sony couldn't produce enough in time to meet Samsung's deadline so instead it shipped with an 8MP sensor. As you probably know, more MP doesn't always mean a better image as cramming more pixels on a small sensor means each pixel can capture less light, but it would have been interesting to see what the images would have been like had it got the 13MP sensor.

I really wish nokia would have licensed their Pureview tech to Samsung. Would make it a little better.

Though the GS2 and the GN2 both have an 8MP camera, I find the GN2's camera far superior. I suspect this may have something to do with the faster CPU, but not sure. I have used both extensively.

Dylanlewis2000 said:
I really wish nokia would have licensed their Pureview tech to Samsung. Would make it a little better.
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I really wish Nokia would produce android devices as well...
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The iPhone clearly takes sharper images in this comparison, at the expense of noise. Contrast appears to be much better with the iPhone as well, the GN2 photos look a little 'washed out'. Colours are more vibrant with the iPhone as well but perhaps too much?

A semi pro photographer here, hobby too. I never liked any cell phone's camera to be honest. But when I had my C905, things were little better. It had an impressive camera, almost replaced my Ixus for now and then, here and there shots. Then I got the Satio. Another good one. Then don't know what happened, I stepped into Samsung! My first Sammy was a i8910, it had a good camera. So I thought let's continue with Samsung. Next was Wave S8500, I didn't buy it for camera anyway. Then I got the infamous SII. Well after using it for more than year, I can say I was 'fairly' happy with it. Now, Note 2, I don't know, right from the first shot, till now, I DO NOT like this camera, how the photos are appearing, are below average in my eyes.
It's always about 'post software processing' in a mobile camera. A tiny sensor can never produce great photos. So it all matters how the photo is being processed after taking it via the camera firmware provided. That's where a brand plays it tricks. Most of them have Sony's sensor, so talking about hardware is meaningless. Now, here in Note 2, the post processing seems either to be not full or poorly done. Optimizing a photo is bad! An average user, who really would care about the 'background' processes, all they will see the ultimate photo, and there Note 2 fails. Photos turn out grainy, with noise. The biggest letdown is the led flash. At night, in parties, when it's dark, and you don't have your SLR or it's not the place for it, of course you'll need flash. The flash is terribly weak, and badly spread.
Anyway, writing too much, I'm short, after owning 7 or 8 high end cell phones, with their average camera, this Note 2 camera is the most disappointing in my eyes.
However, I don't give a damn, I always (you know what I mean) carry my 350 or D90 (yeah, I know, they are average DSLR), so I'd not bother much about this, BUT not everyone is like me or like OP, for them a 700$ mobile phone should provide 'fairly good' output, where this device, F A I L S.
Now, one thing you see, I really won't bother by some fanboys quoting my comment and say otherwise, knowing I've spent my hard time and money, for more than a decade behind photography. So thanks to them in advance anyway
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The main issue comes down to the camera using iso 800 on auto mode in many scenes, i.e indoors, which is just bizarre. Set it to a lower value manually and the graininess gets a lot better.
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If you want more vibrant colours in the settings select SCN/Panorama.

GSM Arena One vs S4

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913.php
A must read

AW: GSM Arena One vs S4
It's really the best and most thorough comparison, I've read in a long time. Ultimately it's up to personal preference, which phone you choose.

paranoid2007 said:
It's really the best and most thorough comparison, I've read in a long time. Ultimately it's up to personal preference, which phone you choose.
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Yeah it did not make my decision easier, I want them both after reading it

It seemed like a good article although I think they were a bit biased towards the S4 without real justification at times.
For instance, they list the screen size as being in favour of the S4. That is entirely subjective as we know. Personally I prefer 4.7 to 5. Some will rather have 5.

I saw somewhere in local forums that S4's camera is very bad. But GSMarena are in fact saying otherwise.

it's clearly biased in a lot of areas
especially with this BS "it couldnt care less about it looks in a way its making a stronger statement than it's competitor"
a draw in the design area? are you kidding me?
also the screen and battery tests are both very flawed
he did not mention the power saver or brightness during the battery tests (actually brightness)
as for the screen, nothing makes sense, the One has a brighter screen and better view angles, nearly every other review said so
i am willing to accept the ultra pixel comparison, if Samsung indeed is giving a proper 13MP sensor without noise or low light issues than it will definitely destroy the HTC One camera but i have to say they did not do a real low light test
but yes yes if i have to chose i would go for the camera on the S4, its still better than than the big sacrifice in detail
i'm pleased OIS really works on the One and disappointed by the extremely narrow field of view on the S4

Surprisingly, the Samsung Galaxy S4 has the better low-light camera performance.
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What.

Eggcake said:
What.
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but dont miss this, it means the s4 is using a slow shutter speed in low light:
Samsung Galaxy S4. Surprisingly, the Samsung Galaxy S4 has the better low-light camera performance. You'll have to snap several photos to make sure you have a good one, but the end result will be better than what the HTC One produces. The Galaxy S4 has a slight advantage in low-light video too.
The HTC One is more reliable - thanks to its OIS you can snap just one photo and know it will be about as good as it gets. But the camera's performance is simply nothing to write home about, and there are cases when OIS just isn't helping at all (when shooting moving subjects).
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Eggcake said:
What.
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Some blogs consider evening light as "low light" - then traditional cameras still take better pics. Ultrapixels shine when "low light" means night in a city or a pub.

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hamdir said:
a draw in the design area? are you kidding me?
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Actually it's a draw in the hardware area, which the S4 scores only because of its sd slot and removable battery. I think that's a fair judgement.
As to pure design quote :
From a pure design standpoint, the HTC One wipes the floor with the Samsung Galaxy S4.

Brac20 said:
It seemed like a good article although I think they were a bit biased towards the S4 without real justification at times.
For instance, they list the screen size as being in favour of the S4. That is entirely subjective as we know. Personally I prefer 4.7 to 5. Some will rather have 5.
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Dude the two phones are the same size. 5 inch is obviously better than 4.7 if the overall size is the same. But you dont get boomsound on the s4.

My only complaint with this review is what they considered low light.
It was still enough light for my OG EVO to capture a decent picture.
Other than that very detailed comparison.
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yea they missed the low light point completely
the area the S4 wins is brightness and not light capture, you can easily adjust this on the HTC One using the settings
but like i said i personally would go with a camera like on the S4 but it's not fair to say to claim we are not winning anything at all in low light
we saw tons of samples to prove this already
and most important shutter speed remains the most important area in a smartphone camera, unless you like repeating your photos

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Dude the two phones are the same size. 5 inch is obviously better than 4.7 if the overall size is the same. But you dont get boomsound on the s4.
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Sorry but i disagree. In one handed use i can reach all points on a 4.7 inch screen but not on a 5 inch. So for me the overall unit size isn't the key. Also The One has vastly superior sound so is worth the extra size.
But this is exactly what I mean. It is a completely subjective decision, so putting it in pros and cons in an objective review is biased.

and yes the sound, they say its slightly better but that is also untrue, its vastly as confirmed by many reviews

The worst review I ever seen on photo part. Whatever photo once upscale, it will be bad in quality.
Only GSMArena reviewer will ever upscale the photo size for comparison, fail!
Beside this, the review was obvious biase in certain part.

by the way Gsmarena camera results are really worrying
im almost convinced there are two different sensors used in the HTC One

If you think this could be a reliable test, take a look at this...
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hamdir said:
by the way Gsmarena camera results are really worrying
im almost convinced there are two different sensors used in the HTC One
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Well, apparently HTC is working on a software update to help with the camera "issues" that the One is having. I'll withhold judgement on the camera until that is put out and we have time to see how it affects camera performance.

I think the GSMArena takes manipulation of the mind to the level an art (like others do too), the way they twist some characterstics to seem like advantages and then go completely the other way around when it comes to others. Even when they give high praise to a phone's characteristic they can make it so that you feel like the other one is even better. It is an art which is played mostly at an subconscious level.
In the end it's not a conspiracy, it is problably just a need for good web traffic=money and they can make it so by praising the dominant company. There are probably dozens of millions of Samsung users and it is better to make them think and be at ease with the Samsung product they have chosen, being gratified with the fact that they are on the best side - its just a mind calming factor + gets your site lots of mouse clicks.
S4 is a beast but for me the qualities i seek in a phone put the HTC One on top and the S4 problably not even second.
PS: the most worrying thing is what hamdir said about the camera. Hope it does not turn out to be true but there seem to be a big difference in the quality of the photos between different reviews. Seems like this delayed launch is good for me as i can look further into this problem.

Absolutely disappointed with the camera

is anyone else? i came from a G2 hoping for a much better camera, as I preferred the GS4 camera to my G2...yeah, well I get my GS5, and i'm sitting here looking at the pics i've taken, and good god they're awful. they just look horrible compared to what the G2 shoots.
and low light? FORGET IT. if you can even get it to focus without the flash on (which it won't, at all, after numerous attempts of me trying with even lights on behind me) it's going to look like garbage anyway.
now i'm sitting here wondering if I should return it or not. I spent full price on the damn thing (after selling a GS4 and a Gnex) and i'm really wondering if it's even worth it to keep because i was honestly expecting a good camera, especially from all of the raving about it i've seen.

Camera looks great here
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terrible. it can't even focus on something with lighting in the room...and the outdoors pic? is this phone for real?

There were some reviews about the galaxy s 5 camera, the reviewers seemed to not like the camera.
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Maybe stating the obvious, but did you remove the plastic film over the lens?
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JBeXX said:
Maybe stating the obvious, but did you remove the plastic film over the lens?
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yep, first thing i did. if ya notice, the plastic doesn't cover the sensor itself..only the outer portion.
oh well, i gave up on the S5. on top of build quality issues (the creaking/shifting body that Samsung is known for..) and that crappy camera, I just went and returned it tonight. had to pay a $35 restocking fee, but whatever. got my $600 back.
wish you guys the best!

jayochs said:
yep, first thing i did. if ya notice, the plastic doesn't cover the sensor itself..only the outer portion.
oh well, i gave up on the S5. on top of build quality issues (the creaking/shifting body that Samsung is known for..) and that crappy camera, I just went and returned it tonight. had to pay a $35 restocking fee, but whatever. got my $600 back.
wish you guys the best!
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You got a dud. That's too bad. it happens. My pictures are nothing like yours.
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S5 has abandoned Sony sensors right? That would explain OP. Maybe new Samsung sensors are just not as good as Sony's. We all know megapixel is secondary anyway....

My cam is fine...I posted a pic in other thread. You got a bad phone. Exchange it. Those pics you posted aren't good.

I'm happy with the cam as well. Haven't tried any outdoor shots yet but it looks at least as good as my s4 so far. I like the new options and cleaner access. Just snapped this on a whim...
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I'll second this. Not near as bad as Jayochs, but not any better than the S4, and worse, IMHO, in bright outdoor shots where the S4 was incredible. Medium to low-light is improved only because you can see the images more - but if you don't use stabilization mode, they're horribly noisy. If you do use stabilization mode, they look better, but then a LOT of your indoor shots, even if they're not low light, will end up asking you to hold still for 3-4 seconds.
And I don't know about y'all, but my camera is relatively slow to load. Keeping in mind I'm comparing to a 5S and M8. So far the laggier camera experience and not-as-great-as-they-said-it-would-be images have me liking the M8's camera more... it's just so darn fast, and consistent and focusable and can take medium-lit shots quickly.
Edit: full disclaimer... I'm a nitpicky phone camera snob!

Put me down as another who is disappointed in the camera. Outdoor shots are great for me, but indoor shots are extremely lackluster. Even with stability on, they're disappointing. The indoor capabilities of the iPhone 5S blow this one out of the water. Given the pixel size, I didn't expect it to be better at indoor shots than the 5S or the M8, but I was definitely hoping that it would be better than it is.
I'm going to give it a few more days, but this is potentially a deal breaker for me. That's very disappointing, especially since there's very little else that I dislike about the phone.

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Put me down as another who is disappointed in the camera. Outdoor shots are great for me, but indoor shots are extremely lackluster. Even with stability on, they're disappointing. The indoor capabilities of the iPhone 5S blow this one out of the water. Given the pixel size, I didn't expect it to be better at indoor shots than the 5S or the M8, but I was definitely hoping that it would be better than it is.
I'm going to give it a few more days, but this is potentially a deal breaker for me. That's very disappointing, especially since there's very little else that I dislike about the phone.
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Yep, same here. Though others have said their camera loads up quite fast - my experience is it's pretty laggy moving in and out of it. But I also love just about everything else about it, so if I can get used to the camera, or maybe figure out what I'm missing (if anything??), it'll be good. If not, it'll be the M8 for me likely... though I don't like how slippery / heavy it is.
I hate to say it (ok I don't really hate it), but after all of the devices I've used, I still feel like the 5S is still the best all around mobile camera experience when you combine the usability with image quality. The M8 is on par when it comes to speed and usability - heck it might even be faster. But image quality is still better on the 5S.
And good to see you b! I've been pretty forum-inactive for awhile...

jntdroid said:
Yep, same here. Though others have said their camera loads up quite fast - my experience is it's pretty laggy moving in and out of it. But I also love just about everything else about it, so if I can get used to the camera, or maybe figure out what I'm missing (if anything??), it'll be good. If not, it'll be the M8 for me likely... though I don't like how slippery / heavy it is.
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I doubt you're missing anything. I've gone through every setting and tried a host of things to get better pictures out of it to no avail. I spent quite a bit of time yesterday taking the exact same shots with the S5, Note 3, and iPhone 5S. Outdoors during the day, the S5 reigned supreme, with both the Note 3 and 5S close behind. Outdoors at night, the 5S was the clear winner with the S5 and the Note 3 providing similar results (with the S5 coming out slightly ahead between the two). Indoors, the 5S came out on top again in every lighting situation, both without a flash and with a flash. The S5 was slightly better than the Note 3 indoors, but really not by much.
Given that the overall image quality between the S5 and the Note 3 isn't a huge difference, I'm leaning towards returning the S5 and just keeping the Note 3 for now.
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I hate to say it (ok I don't really hate it), but after all of the devices I've used, I still feel like the 5S is still the best all around mobile camera experience when you combine the usability with image quality. The M8 is on par when it comes to speed and usability - heck it might even be faster. But image quality is still better on the 5S.
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Agreed. The 5S that I use for work is just solid all around when it comes to the camera, providing really great shots in almost all lighting conditions. The only phone I've used that's better is the Lumia 1040, but it doesn't have the speed that the 5S does. Apple really nailed the camera for the 5S.
The S5 has officially been approved as a device we can use for work, so I was hoping to replace both my Note 3 and my 5S with it and only have to carry one device for personal and business use. But so far, the camera on the S5 makes that impossible.
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And good to see you b! I've been pretty forum-inactive for awhile...
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Yeah. I've been out of the country for work for an extended period, often in places with little to no internet service. I'm back in the States for a little bit, so I'll be popping up a little more often.

Anyone know why it's so bad? I don't understand how some are getting great pics and others are getting not so good. I'm in the not so good group. Some pics I feel like my rezound takes just as good. Lol
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jagrave said:
Anyone know why it's so bad? I don't understand how some are getting great pics and others are getting not so good. I'm in the not so good group. Some pics I feel like my rezound takes just as good. Lol
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It can take great pics, don't get me wrong - though even when it's great, I'm not convinced it's better than the S4.
I think it's a combination of a new sensor, a new "style" of auto-focus, and post-processing issues.

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It can take great pics, don't get me wrong - though even when it's great, I'm not convinced it's better than the S4.
I think it's a combination of a new sensor, a new "style" of auto-focus, and post-processing issues.
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I think that's one of the biggest problems. Even in well-lit situations, sometimes things - like people and animals - can come out looking like an oil painting. That's one of the biggest problems with indoor shots as well. Turning off the stabilization helps a little with that, but not as much as one would think. I've tried all of the major third-party camera apps, and none of them give much better results. For indoor shots, the sensor just isn't big enough to let in the amount of light that's needed to take an above average picture.
I think some of the discrepancies in what various people are reporting with the quality comes down to photo quality preferences, what different people are used to with the phones in their cameras, and at times a more discerning eye for quality. The S5 camera is certainly no slouch, and I'd place it above pretty much all other Android phones right now as far as being an all around shooter (there are others that do certain things better, but not everything), but it's not the big step forward that I really wanted it to be.
I'm going to be returning it and going back to my Note 3 for the time being.

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I think that's one of the biggest problems. Even in well-lit situations, sometimes things - like people and animals - can come out looking like an oil painting. That's one of the biggest problems with indoor shots as well. Turning off the stabilization helps a little with that, but not as much as one would think. I've tried all of the major third-party camera apps, and none of them give much better results. For indoor shots, the sensor just isn't big enough to let in the amount of light that's needed to take an above average picture.
I think some of the discrepancies in what various people are reporting with the quality comes down to photo quality preferences, what different people are used to with the phones in their cameras, and at times a more discerning eye for quality. The S5 camera is certainly no slouch, and I'd place it above pretty much all other Android phones right now as far as being an all around shooter (there are others that do certain things better, but not everything), but it's not the big step forward that I really wanted it to be.
I'm going to be returning it and going back to my Note 3 for the time being.
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What about the note 3 do you like better? And how does the note 3 camera compare?
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jagrave said:
What about the note 3 do you like better? And how does the note 3 camera compare?
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I typed up a little summary of the comparison I did between the cameras a few posts up.
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I doubt you're missing anything. I've gone through every setting and tried a host of things to get better pictures out of it to no avail. I spent quite a bit of time yesterday taking the exact same shots with the S5, Note 3, and iPhone 5S. Outdoors during the day, the S5 reigned supreme, with both the Note 3 and 5S close behind. Outdoors at night, the 5S was the clear winner with the S5 and the Note 3 providing similar results (with the S5 coming out slightly ahead between the two). Indoors, the 5S came out on top again in every lighting situation, both without a flash and with a flash. The S5 was slightly better than the Note 3 indoors, but really not by much.
Given that the overall image quality between the S5 and the Note 3 isn't a huge difference, I'm leaning towards returning the S5 and just keeping the Note 3 for now.
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In short, the S5 is an improvement, but not a big one. The differences were pretty marginal in most cases.
As for what I like better about the Note 3 it really comes down to two things - the size of the screen and the S-Pen.

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if ya notice, the plastic doesn't cover the sensor itself..only the outer portion.
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Ahem.....it most certainly DOES cover the entire lense.
Best find a girl with a sharp fingernail and pay her to scrape it off for you.
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BTW, mine is fast, and sharp, and works nearly as well as my Canon camera.

Camera produces cold photos - very disappointed! Can it be fixed? White balance?

I just bought this phone, and I'm extremely disappointed in the camera. My wife has a note4 which takes great photos, which I've been using pretty much every day as we recently had a child (our first). My main reason for buying a new phone was to always have a good camera on hand for taking photos of our son. I hate big phones though, hence why I didn't buy the note4.
Anyway, after buying the z3c, it turns out that I hate the photos it takes They are all completely lifeless and cold. When I take a photo with the note4, what I see on the screen is pretty much exactly what I see in real life. With the z3c I can clearly see the difference right away (and it's not just the phone screen). I've tried experimenting with settings in manual mode as well, but I'm not having much luck. Granted I'm not claiming to know much about these things. I don't care if it's not the highest resolution or the sharpest details (or not at this stage at least), I just want some colors that looks like what I'm seeing with my eyes. I've gone back to using the camera from my wifes phone again despite my own phone only being a week old, which is a bit sad.
Is there anything I can do about this? I feel like there should be a simple adjustment somewhere, but I can't find it. The colors on the screen were horrid as well, but I've adjusted those by using the "white balance" settings (where I significantly increased red and green while leaving blue at 0). Is there a similar setting for the camera or is there a different app I can download where I can make this adjustment?
I just want to be able to use my camera...
Here is an example. I took two photos, one after the other, using the z3c and the note4. He moved a little bit so they are not identical, but zoom in on his face and you'll see what I mean. One of the photos has got some color and in the other he looks pale and lifeless. The color in the first photo seem to match what I am seeing in real life (he is half asian, so somewhat yellow skin tone) It's a bit hard to show, but you'll just have to trust me that the photo which has more yellow in it is significantly more accurate. This is not even the worst photo either, this one is probably passable if looked at in isolation, but just one example I quickly snapped just now. They are all like this (or often worse) and it has led me to not wanting to use my camera at all.
EDIT: as a new user I was not able to add a link, but as this is just to dropbox, I hope it's OK that I present it like this. You will have to piece it together if you want to view it:
www dropbox com/sh/vb68vqquykxj13m/AAArXwsdSZHKdJCzz25Tu3Qxa?dl=0
Any suggestions on how I can fix this without having to manually post process the photos are much appreciated. I should note that I really love the phone in all other aspects so far, but the main reason I bought it was for the camera as mentioned.
EDIT: sorry, maybe this belongs in the questions forum. If so I apologize and feel free to move it.
EDIT: to clarify, I found what looks like a white balance setting, but it's only 4 preset modes. But maybe that is all we've got. I'll try and experiment with them and see if any produces better result than wb auto.
EDIT: those settings above seems to seriously mess with the colors, at least in current low light room I'm in. Despite loving the phone, I'm considering cutting my losses while it's still current and try to sell it In which case i would probably pick up a Samsung galaxy s6 instead, which should have an equivalent camera to the note 4. It's much bigger than I prefer though, and inflated price due to hype and being a new model as well

The s6 has a better camera in most conditions. That said the difference isnt that bad. On my screen both photos look very similar.
Anyway the usual thing, try in manual mode 8mp, slightly lower expo, multi, and adda tiny bit of clarity in google photos - seems to give best results on average

bilboa1 said:
The s6 has a better camera in most conditions. That said the difference isnt that bad. On my screen both photos look very similar.
Anyway the usual thing, try in manual mode 8mp, slightly lower expo, multi, and adda tiny bit of clarity in google photos - seems to give best results on average
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It's not the best example, you probably have to zoom in on face to see the difference. I might try and take a better example photo, but basically I lose all yellow in his skin tone and all I get is white and red.
I'll try your suggestions as well. Thanks.

You'll see from my camera thread and others that the Z3 is simply a poor performing camera indoors. There's little you can do to fix it.
Sent from my Xperia Z3 Compact

PuffDaddy_d said:
You'll see from my camera thread and others that the Z3 is simply a poor performing camera indoors. There's little you can do to fix it.
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I've read your thread now, and it doesn't paint a very positive picture. I still don't understand why it's so bad though, especially since the hardware seems good. From my point of view, I would be OK if pictures are not sharp enough or not capturing as much details as they could, but the poor color replication is a deal breaker.
Do you know if there is any sign that they are working on improving the software? Maybe with the release of z4/z3+ they might release a software update applicable to z3 as well? I know I'm grasping at straws, but still. You'd think they'd try and fix it. If nothing else, it's embarrassing that all competitors are significantly better despite using sonys sensor. This should be their absolute strongest point, their ace card, and instead they are getting destroyed.

White balance is the key for my photos... Auto WB always produces unatractive photos. Cloudy, and sunny settings add some warmth to the photo.

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I've read your thread now, and it doesn't paint a very positive picture. I still don't understand why it's so bad though, especially since the hardware seems good. From my point of view, I would be OK if pictures are not sharp enough or not capturing as much details as they could, but the poor color replication is a deal breaker.
Do you know if there is any sign that they are working on improving the software? Maybe with the release of z4/z3+ they might release a software update applicable to z3 as well? I know I'm grasping at straws, but still. You'd think they'd try and fix it. If nothing else, it's embarrassing that all competitors are significantly better despite using sonys sensor. This should be their absolute strongest point, their ace card, and instead they are getting destroyed.
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I couldn't agree with you more. I read an article where someone managed to compare the display of the Z3 vs the Z3+ and noticed that the plus has a warmer tone. Probably still to early to know is the camera software has improved any though. Sadly, I've started to use filters on the shots that look too cold to help earn them up a bit... More of a workaround than a solution.
Sent from my Xperia Z3 Compact

tompab said:
I just bought this phone, and I'm extremely disappointed in the camera. My wife has a note4 which takes great photos, which I've been using pretty much every day as we recently had a child (our first). My main reason for buying a new phone was to always have a good camera on hand for taking photos of our son. I hate big phones though, hence why I didn't buy the note4.
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I've got a Z1c(not Z3c) and S6 but I think I can share you some ideas here. Sony tends to like cold WB while S6 produces warm WB. Indeed, they both got pros and cons in my experiences bcoz Samsung is also easy to produce over-warm coast and sometimes not real good, it is just too warm, though in your case I admit this time warm WB got real better result.
If you want a smaller phone, you can consider the upcoming S6 mini(SM-G9198) with 4.6" 720P, s808, 2GB ram, 16GB rom, NFC, 16MP rear camera, 5MP front camera. Sony focus is just all bad(actually the image quality isn't bad though you can't compete it with Note4/S6) and Samsung is like 10 times better when you talking about the speed and focus part.

TheEndHK said:
I've got a Z1c(not Z3c) and S6 but I think I can share you some ideas here. Sony tends to like cold WB while S6 produces warm WB. Indeed, they both got pros and cons in my experiences bcoz Samsung is also easy to produce over-warm coast and sometimes not real good, it is just too warm, though in your case I admit this time warm WB got real better result.
If you want a smaller phone, you can consider the upcoming S6 mini(SM-G9198) with 4.6" 720P, s808, 2GB ram, 16GB rom, NFC, 16MP rear camera, 5MP front camera. Sony focus is just all bad(actually the image quality isn't bad though you can't compete it with Note4/S6) and Samsung is like 10 times better when you talking about the speed and focus part.
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I will be very interested to see how that 16mp cam performs, if its anything like the S5 or S6 I may very well convert. Especially if they get the nicer build of the S6 in too, Just please no glass back.

S6 build also means glass back. I have no problems with glass. I'm not too fond of the diplay, Pentile matrix means less subpixels (=less sharpness) and effective resolution similar to qHD. It's clearly visible (rubbih harpness/dottiness) and just bad for the money.
PuffDaddy_d said:
I couldn't agree with you more. I read an article where someone managed to compare the display of the Z3 vs the Z3+ and noticed that the plus has a warmer tone. Probably still to early to know is the camera software has improved any though.
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Z3+ takes warmer pictures indeed but there's even more digital noise reduction:
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S6 build also means glass back. I have no problems with glass. I'm not too fond of the diplay, Pentile matrix means less subpixels (=less sharpness) and effective resolution similar to qHD. It's clearly visible (rubbih harpness/dottiness) and just bad for the money.
Z3+ takes warmer pictures indeed but there's even more digital noise reduction:
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Honestly, I can't even see the difference in color tone between these photos. At most, I see that the plus didn't focus properly in this shot.
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PuffDaddy_d said:
Honestly, I can't even see the difference in color tone between these photos. At most, I see that the plus didn't focus properly in this shot.
Sent from my Xperia Z3 Compact
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Same here... its splitting hairs to say there is any difference in color tone. That could easily be randomness with the Z3 being warm in the next shot.

Look at the concrete. It's much warmer. Another pictures (from gsmarena):
Z3:
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/sony-xperia-z3/camera/gsmarena_015.jpg
Z3+:
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/sony-xperia-z3plus/camera/gsmarena_102.jpg

majaczos said:
Look at the concrete. It's much warmer. Another pictures (from gsmarena):
Z3:
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/sony-xperia-z3/camera/gsmarena_015.jpg
Z3+:
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/sony-xperia-z3plus/camera/gsmarena_102.jpg
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Okay, yeah, the concrete does look warmer with the plus, but these are very obvious. Though, I question why it appears that so much time passed between shots. The sky is clear in one photo but is cloudy in the next. Overcast conditions will affect the white balance as well. Still a bit too soon for me to judge.
Sent from my Xperia Z3 Compact

Cronis said:
I will be very interested to see how that 16mp cam performs, if its anything like the S5 or S6 I may very well convert. Especially if they get the nicer build of the S6 in too, Just please no glass back.
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There is no much info yet so I can't tell about S6 Compact but we can make some safe guess here and probably quite close to the true specification.
1. Probably used the new ISOCell 16MP to save cost. We all know that S6 got two sensors which is Sony IMX240 and Samsung ISOCell. This time the ISOCell is improved and better than the one on S5, so it is a 2nd gen. It got better color during at low light while IMX240 got more details. On day time, both sensors are almost identical. Mine S6 got IMX240.
2. OIS is removed for cost.
3. Aperture down to f/2.2 or f/2.4 depending the price strategic
If Samsung willing to give it a f/2.2 then it is safe to say it is a killer for Z3c though Z3c will still own some advantages like waterproof and best battery life. Not sure about microSD card thing. Consider it got a powerful s808 so as a small flagship, very possible to own a f/2.2 aperture.
https://shopmeenova.appspot.com/st/p/mrg2.html
I use this otg to solve my storage problem on S6.

Aperture eans nothing without sensor's size. Z3 can have higher aperture because IMX220 one of the biggest sensors on the (mobile) market right now.
We know nothing about the S6 mini, SM-G9198 sounds like SM-G9098's replacement:
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/samsung-sm-g9098-1608

majaczos said:
Aperture eans nothing without sensor's size. Z3 can have higher aperture because IMX220 one of the biggest sensors on the (mobile) market right now.
We know nothing about the S6 mini, SM-G9198 sounds like SM-G9098's replacement:
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/samsung-sm-g9098-1608
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I think it is impossible to be the next G9098 bcoz it got only 3.7" size while G9198 is 4.6" with such powerful s808 cpu, they are in total different market segment.
Aperture is real meaningful in any size bcoz my One S(8MP 1/3.2") got f/2.0 so I know about it and Iphone 5s/6/6+ got only 8MP 1/3" f/2.2 but they are doing very well at low light too.

TheEndHK said:
I think it is impossible to be the next G9098 bcoz it got only 3.7" size while G9198 is 4.6" with such powerful s808 cpu, they are in total different market segment.
Aperture is real meaningful in any size bcoz my One S(8MP 1/3.2") got f/2.0 so I know about it and Iphone 5s/6/6+ got only 8MP 1/3" f/2.2 but they are doing very well at low light too.
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Maybe they want to reduce bezels? Or make it bigger? SM-G9098 has very powerful CPU as well, actually it was the most powerful back in 2014..
They're ok in low light situations (partially thanks to decent image processing) but you can't trick physics.

majaczos said:
Maybe they want to reduce bezels? Or make it bigger? SM-G9098 has very powerful CPU as well, actually it was the most powerful back in 2014..
They're ok in low light situations (partially thanks to decent image processing) but you can't trick physics.
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G9098 is 3.7" size while G9198 is 4.6", the different is big enough because there is no 4.6" size flip phone becoz when you put a 4.6" screen together with a physical keyboard, the phone will be very fat and large and customer will end up prefer to get a Note4/5 instead with similar size. But I like the good old day flip phone style, actually I want to see more coming out.

Thanks for all the help guys. Just thought I'd give an update if anyone is interested.
I still really dislike the z3c camera and was considering selling the phone and picking up a galaxy s6. I do however like the other aspects of the z3c, so I ended up buying a proper camera instead. I can use my wife's note4 for a quick snap if I don't have my camera nearby. It's a compromise, but I think it made more sense.

It might be impossible to fix this one Galaxy S20 Ultra autofocus issue

The Galaxy S20 Ultra’s ambitious camera system has been marred by autofocus issues ever since it was released, and while the company has largely addressed this with early firmware updates, one particular issue might not be as easy to fix.
Taking photos of close objects with the Galaxy S20 Ultra can lead to mixed results, and in the worst case scenarios, the camera fails to autofocus, leading to blurry shots. A Samsung moderator on Samsung members recently talked about this problem in a post on the Korean forums and revealed that it might not be possible to fix it with a firmware update.
The focal length is determined by the lens specifications
According to the Samsung moderator, the increased size of the S20 Ultra’s sensor results in a shallow depth of field and longer focal length of 10cm or more, therefore, it may fail to focus when photographing objects up-close. More importantly, because the focal length is determined by the lens specifications, this shortcoming is difficult to correct with software.
In other words, autofocus should no longer be an issue for the Galaxy S20 Ultra in general applications, but loss of focus can still occur at close range due to the focal length being longer than usual (the Galaxy S20 and S20+ have a slightly shorter focal length as they use a different main camera sensor). Basically, it’s a physical characteristic of the Galaxy S20 Ultra’s 108MP camera that owners of the device will have to live with.
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How do you think about this ? :crying:
Bad lens ?? why xiaomi not have this issue ?
Does Samsung call back S20 ultra ?
https://www.sammobile.com/news/impossible-fix-one-galaxy-s20-ultra-autofocus-issue/

Yeah I read it. I'm really disappointed with Samsung now, spent tons of money and we get this "engineering problem".
Will Note 20 have the same issue?!

stygi4n said:
Yeah I read it. I'm really disappointed with Samsung now, spent tons of money and we get this "engineering problem".
Will Note 20 have the same issue?!
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don't be disappoiinted, samsung don't talk about autofocus there, but about shooting close object like macro shot.
why don't people realized that the S20 ultra is not nuild to macro shot?
all devices with special lens for macro have macro mod in the photo software.
the main sensor is bigger than usual on phone device and like DSLR it's hard to make macro shot

Such a misleading title , surprised to see that from sammobile !! the moderator on the sourced forum is clearly talking about macro focus or narrow field of view on closer subjects , and sammobile stupidly understood it for autofocus.

Don’t worry. Samsung will be on fire with massive updates.
And no one is stupid here.
Plz correct if aim wrong. Term Autofocus is it not applicable for macro mode?
On S20/s20+, why Samsung use 12mp as primary camera?
Even on S20 if we use 64mp we have auto focus issue.
Do u see users blaming S20 for auto focus problem?
Defending is not correct. If there is a mistake, let that be pointed out. So at least mistake will not be repeated.
This is flagship device & the most expensive phone as of. Such mistakes are not acceptable.
More over if it could have been fix by software. Why it has not been addressed yet.
bala_gamer said:
Such a misleading title , surprised to see that from sammobile !! the moderator on the sourced forum is clearly talking about macro focus or narrow field of view on closer subjects , and sammobile stupidly understood it for autofocus.
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It's misleading. Yes there is focal length for lens but not sensor.
Mayb there is a translation error there, focal length has nothing to do with sensor.
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Whats misleading?
As an user i dont need to understand the physics. no one is interested. we need end result.
Auto focus can it be fixed or not?

VRaju said:
Whats misleading?
As an user i dont need to understand the physics. no one is interested. we need end result.
Auto focus can it be fixed or not?
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Auto focus is not the issue when it comes to macro shooting. Try opening your eyes wide open and place an object up close to them. It will be blurry. That is how the main sensor is set up. There isn't an issue with it. There was a reason the camera on the Ultra is different from the s20 and the plus. Those are geared more toward the average consumer. There are lenses the cost thousands of dollars that do exactly what the Ultra's does. It is the user's job to do some research before purchasing a product. If you like taking macro shots, the Ultra may not be the phone for you.

For a phone that was sold like a camera revolution and situated as the most expensive phone in the market and you can't compare it not even with a phone that cost have of his money ( Google Pixel 4XL is £750) is such dissapointing. I payed so much money ob this phone and I'm forced to take my old Pixel 3XL with me whenever I'm going out .. After the Note7 Saga I'm again dissapointed by Samsung for delivering such a poor professionalism regarding the release of their products.

VRaju said:
Whats misleading?
As an user i dont need to understand the physics. no one is interested. we need end result.
Auto focus can it be fixed or not?
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The S20U takes very pleasant pictures, as mentioned the lens is supposed to work like that, since it has a fixed aperture. AF was indeed bad at the beginning but it has improved a lot. I am no Sammy fan, just my honest opinion, people should understand how physics of aperture and minimum focus distance
works.
I am very pleased with my phone and the pictures it takes. I am coming from an Xperia 1 and S8, for me the quality is absolutely amazing with recent updates.

VRaju said:
Whats misleading?
As an user i dont need to understand the physics. no one is interested. we need end result.
Auto focus can it be fixed or not?
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no it cant be fixed just with software its a hardware issue 108 mp lense

Is taking a picture of a Check considered a Macro shot? Because if so I don't have any problems direct depositing checks to my bank with the phone camera. If your hands are not steady it will take an out of focus picture. But if you hold the camera still until after the picture is taken it comes out fine for me. But I am on the U.S. Snap Dragon version.

So u mean to say people must study and understand physics before they buy s20u. I dint know there was such criteria to buy phones these days...
All ur saying is don’t judge by the spec given by manufacturers. Users must be educated to buy phone. Haha
Even i like Samsung devices.given choice bw op8 pro and s20p..ill still go for s20p. But I don’t expect Samsung to deceive users with such crabs.
cletusindia said:
The S20U takes very pleasant pictures, as mentioned the lens is supposed to work like that, since it has a fixed aperture. AF was indeed bad at the beginning but it has improved a lot. I am no Sammy fan, just my honest opinion, people should understand how physics of aperture and minimum focus distance
works.
I am very pleased with my phone and the pictures it takes. I am coming from an Xperia 1 and S8, for me the quality is absolutely amazing with recent updates.
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Here is my take on this situation assuming it really can't be fixed.
I have been a loyal Samsung fan since the very first Galaxy S phone. I remember they had a promotion where i ended up getting the Avatar movie on an SD Card and i have been upgrading every year since then. The way i see it based on personal usuage, the problem is really with Close up pic or Macro shot. Besides that i really dont have an autofocus issue when it comes to taking regular pictures. It did had a focus hunting issue in video at launch but that has been fixed. Having said that this phone is everything i would want with a $1,400 price tag, great battery life, massive screen, crazy good display, smoothness etc. It still has an overall very good camera.
Yes, of course I would be happy if it had no issue whatsoever but i wont be like those we keep complaining about a very situational issue. Unless you have a hobby of taking macro shots like all the time, i really dont see the point of all of the complaints. As for me who dont take macro, i am still happily enjoying my device everyday.

Djapatos said:
Here is my take on this situation assuming it really can't be fixed.
I have been a loyal Samsung fan since the very first Galaxy S phone. I remember they had a promotion where i ended up getting the Avatar movie on an SD Card and i have been upgrading every year since then. The way i see it based on personal usuage, the problem is really with Close up pic or Macro shot. Besides that i really dont have an autofocus issue when it comes to taking regular pictures. It did had a focus hunting issue in video at launch but that has been fixed. Having said that this phone is everything i would want with a $1,400 price tag, great battery life, massive screen, crazy good display, smoothness etc. It still has an overall very good camera.
Yes, of course I would be happy if it had no issue whatsoever but i wont be like those we keep complaining about a very situational issue. Unless you have a hobby of taking macro shots like all the time, i really dont see the point of all of the complaints. As for me who dont take macro, i am still happily enjoying my device everyday.
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Well said, I find using pro mode, setting manual focus all the way down (flower icon) and then moving phone back and forth from subject until it's sharp works best for me. The peaking highlights (green) aren't always spot on so need to do some trial and error to get it where it works best for your case.

First Sorry for my bad English
1 , shoot a near subject (distance 3-10cm) is not marco shot.
Ss need to notify to customer about this feature ( or engineering problems ) before i bought this phone.
Loock at iphone 11 pro,huawei p40 pro, oppo find x2 pro,... it shoot well every distance even day light or low light picture are same quality with s20u.
2. Some people say buy gaming phone for play game .
Look at iphone and other phones again. Many phones do well everthing not like s20u
When i play pubg after 4- 5 round my phone is too hot, the phone very lagging than first round . why 1400$ phone can like that ?
Iphone 11 pro have 4000mah and it has battery onscreen longer than s20u 5000 mah
Samsung has problems and we need to tell samsung fix it and don't do that again. No one have many free time to tell "i have problems" when they don't have problems.
Sorry for my bad English.

Well said.
buy a ferrair car and get it pulled by manual car.
Couz many believe it was meant to be used like that.
Very strange comments & really hard to digest.
cpufrost said:
Well said, I find using pro mode, setting manual focus all the way down (flower icon) and then moving phone back and forth from subject until it's sharp works best for me. The peaking highlights (green) aren't always spot on so need to do some trial and error to get it where it works best for your case.
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truonglam said:
First Sorry for my bad English
1 , shoot a near subject (distance 3-10cm) is not marco shot.
Ss need to notify to customer about this feature ( or engineering problems ) before i bought this phone.
Loock at iphone 11 pro,huawei p40 pro, oppo find x2 pro,... it shoot well every distance even day light or low light picture are same quality with s20u.
2. Some people say buy gaming phone for play game .
Look at iphone and other phones again. Many phones do well everthing not like s20u
When i play pubg after 4- 5 round my phone is too hot, the phone very lagging than first round . why 1400$ phone can like that ?
Iphone 11 pro have 4000mah and it has battery onscreen longer than s20u 5000 mah
Samsung has problems and we need to tell samsung fix it and don't do that again. No one have many free time to tell "i have problems" when they don't have problems.
Sorry for my bad English.
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Please define the distance of a macro shot.
Show us pictures made from 50 mm distance made by iPhone 11 pro,then magnify this picture 10x
I will be very surprised if the results are good.
Attached pics are made from 100,50 and 40 mm.
The only good result is the 100 mm picture,since even after 10x magnification the result is good .
All pics were made under identical conditions,
Phone on small wooden blocks of 40,50 and 100 mm thickness.
I think 100mm distance is the nearest distance you can make high quality photo's with any smartphone.

I don't even see this as an ultra issue. I have the S20 (non ultra, non +) and I swear none of my pictures are ever in focus. They all seem *just* out of focus and makes them all look terrible. It is really disappointing me.

jdubya42 said:
I don't even see this as an ultra issue. I have the S20 (non ultra, non +) and I swear none of my pictures are ever in focus. They all seem *just* out of focus and makes them all look terrible. It is really disappointing me.
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can you try to clean your phone app data and wype cache?