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[Q] Rooted Evo vs Rooted Epic

I searched through the forums quite a bit and even good but have yet to find anything specific. I'm not sure which phone to get since I can not find a rooted comparison.
Please read about my HTC Hero and my original thoughts here:
jpklink.blogspot.com
Main Points:
Weight and size are not an issue: Glass screen is a +
Price is not an issue.
Standard Mini USB charging is a +
Battery life is not so important.
Texting Speed is 100% most important item - my hero can not keep up with my fingers and it is beyond frustrating.
I know this is the Epic forum so I can't say I don't expect you to be bias, but it would be nice to hear anything at all. Just wanted to hear how the phones compare as BOTH rooted devices with all speed benefits.

As of now the epic has an issue where it will miss keys on the physical keyboard every so often. Txlexting speed is also very important to me (I have an epic) and I have been dissappinted with the physical keyboard to say the least. That being said, the evo does not even have a physical keyboard and you could use any keyboard from the evo on the epic. The app "Smart keyboard" is the best of all that I have tried. The screen on the epic is also substantially better than the evo. The evo gets updates before the epic because it is an htc phone so that is always something to consider. Good luck.
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If you fancy yourself with modding then an Evo is a clear cut winner. There are much more Roms, Mods, and source codes are always released first for HTC phones. Samsung has a history of not really supporting their devices. Epic is no exception. And if you look at the news today in the Android world, signs point to Samsung focusing on supporting Windows 7 phones in 2011 while Android will slowly move to the back seat. http: //phandroid.com/2010/11/22/samsung-focusing-more-on-windows-7-in-2011-but-will-it-matter/

imwillzillla said:
And if you look at the news today in the Android world, signs point to Samsung focusing on supporting Windows 7 phones in 2011 while Android will slowly move to the back seat. http: //phandroid.com/2010/11/22/samsung-focusing-more-on-windows-7-in-2011-but-will-it-matter/
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Damn
Samusung needs to give up on smartphones because they have no clue what their doing.
They have great screens & top notch processor but missing the most important factors. QC & SUPPORT!!!

sling said:
Damn
Samusung needs to give up on smartphones because they have no clue what their doing.
They have great screens & top notch processor but missing the most important factors. QC & SUPPORT!!!
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Yeah you can tell how tarded they are by them having the hottest phone on the planet and neglecting it.

MLHickey:
Actually, I completely forgot to mention, I don't know that I would use the keyboard much anyway. I guess if it was there, I may start to use it, but I like the touch screen keyboard, I'm quite fast with them. In fact I still use T9 a LOT, especially while I'm driving. So as far as the keyboard goes, not a huge pro/con for me. When I mention texting speeds, I just want the phone to be able to keep up with me. My experience with the HTC hero is bad in the sense that I'll be waiting every few words for the phone to catch up so I can check for errors before continuing to type.
imwillzillla:
Those are some really good points! So if I root the Evo with a custom rom, the speeds will be comparable to a rooted epic? And how come HTC stuff comes out first/sooner? Just because the phone has been out longer?
Windows 7... ew. Those are definitely some good points. Do HTC updates and that matter much if I'm installing a custom ROM?
Thanks guys.
Note: I heard the Evo now comes stocked with something that prevents it from being rooted and still today they've yet to break it. Any truth to this?

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MLHickey:
Note: I heard the Evo now comes stocked with something that prevents it from being rooted and still today they've yet to break it. Any truth to this?
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My Evo is a week old and UnrEVOked worked fine for me.

scriz said:
My Evo is a week old and UnrEVOked worked fine for me.
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Great news. I've been leaning towards the evo... looks like it's decided. Thanks again MLHickey.
Last note is, should I wait for early 2011 in case HTC releases something crazy. I mean, I can live on my HTC hero a few more months if I need to.

Just thought as an epic owner Im obligated to reply. The choice is a hard one, but the epic is faster, a better screen (even if slightly smaller) and since its basically stock android doesnt need roms like cynagen to be super fast and its only slightly thicker then the evo. You also get better battery life on the epic.
As for the keyboard, its really not that bad, and a keyboard is better then nothing at times when touch typing just isnt working out as planned.
I had the same hard decesion and luckily when I was visiting home a few weeks ago I got to play with my parents evo. Don't let the benchmarks fool you, the epic is much faster, plus that screen, you get size shock from the evo, but color and contrast shock from the epic. Plus you can install htcs awesome on screen keyboard on the epic. Its the best of all worlds in my book. The evo will have faster updates though, but really.. updates are almost superficial because by time android 2.2 is unsupported should they stop there you will likely be getting a new phone. Gps might or might not work better on the evo, some epics are fine, others aren't.
Just my 2 cents.
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TheDub said:
Just thought as an epic owner Im obligated to reply. The choice is a hard one, but the epic is faster, a better screen (even if slightly smaller) and since its basically stock android doesnt need roms like cynagen to be super fast and its only slightly thicker then the evo. You also get better battery life on the epic.
As for the keyboard, its really not that bad, and a keyboard is better then nothing at times when touch typing just isnt working out as planned.
I had the same hard decesion and luckily when I was visiting home a few weeks ago I got to play with my parents evo. Don't let the benchmarks fool you, the epic is much faster, plus that screen, you get size shock from the evo, but color and contrast shock from the epic. Plus you can install htcs awesome on screen keyboard on the epic. Its the best of all worlds in my book. The evo will have faster updates though, but really.. updates are almost superficial because by time android 2.2 is unsupported should they stop there you will likely be getting a new phone. Gps might or might not work better on the evo, some epics are fine, others aren't.
Just my 2 cents.
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But what about Epic's ugly azz cool color temperature?! Whites look grey on it, screen has blue tint... sorry, photographer coming out in me, but Evo's colors are much more accurate.

quote: "especially while I'm driving. " i dont care what phone you have, this is dangerous and very stupid. please refrain from texting while driving.

TheDub said:
Just thought as an epic owner Im obligated to reply. The choice is a hard one, but the epic is faster, a better screen (even if slightly smaller) and since its basically stock android doesnt need roms like cynagen to be super fast and its only slightly thicker then the evo. You also get better battery life on the epic.
As for the keyboard, its really not that bad, and a keyboard is better then nothing at times when touch typing just isnt working out as planned.
I had the same hard decesion and luckily when I was visiting home a few weeks ago I got to play with my parents evo. Don't let the benchmarks fool you, the epic is much faster, plus that screen, you get size shock from the evo, but color and contrast shock from the epic. Plus you can install htcs awesome on screen keyboard on the epic. Its the best of all worlds in my book. The evo will have faster updates though, but really.. updates are almost superficial because by time android 2.2 is unsupported should they stop there you will likely be getting a new phone. Gps might or might not work better on the evo, some epics are fine, others aren't.
Just my 2 cents.
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Is your two cents from owning both? My battery lasts way longer than my girls epic
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BrianDigital said:
Is your two cents from owning both? My battery lasts way longer than my girls epic
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I'm not tryna sound biased but u gotta be kidding me.. maybe ur gf's usage is much higher.. honestly 4 of my friends have evo's and whenever we're chilling on either of our houses, they fight over the charger.. although my epic is rooted and has custom rom+kernel and their evo doesn't but even b4 i rooted mine i had much better battery life..

The keyboard on this thing is not great, but it beats having none. WPM will not be high with this keyboard, although accuracy is not bad. Still, coming from a Hero, I really like having a keyboard now.
The main gripe is Samsung's poor support, small ROM, and the gps on this thing.
If you text a lot, this should still be your choice as it is faster than virtual keyboards.
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BrianDigital said:
Is your two cents from owning both? My battery lasts way longer than my girls epic
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Lets be a smarta$$ about it.
Anyways.
No. I have asked about the Evo's battery life and I quite frequently hear it hardly makes it through the day from people who DO own them. I've had mine unplugged with moderate use and plenty of calls since 7am and its at 40% right now at 11PM. Now to be fair.. my Epic is rooted with the battery sucking processes from Sprint/Samsung cut out, the Evo's i've heard about are stock. If both were rooted you'd probably cut similar results.
They both have 1500MAH batteries, they will both be roughly the same if you cut the fat out of each I imagine.
As for the screen, yeah the colors are not as accurate, but you're not going to notice, they have a cooler look to them which bothers the heck out of graphics designers and the like heh heh but really.. it's still stunning in comparison to the evo, but thats just MY opinion.
You really need to go into the Sprint store and play with both as much as you can.... you really can't go wrong with either of them and their pro's and con's split pretty evenly.

1) for the keyboard issue..try disabling Swype and use the hardware kb.
2) Epic even with the custom roms we have is doing fairly well...I mean take all the custom roms on the EVO and the Epic and you'll notice there isn't too much difference...most of the advantages EVO had was gotten from the Nexus One which hopefully we will get from the Nexus S.
3) You can do a bunch with custom roms on the EVO to make it run smoother but It'll never run as smooth as the epic.
4) The colors can't be more accurate on the EVO because its only 64k colors..if anything Droid X has probably the most accurate colors...but since EVO is only 64k colors it won't be accurate...the Super AMOLED tends to be mroe blue because the blue dies out the fastest...over time it balances itself out...on my device though if I set it to 100% brightness its white as I lower the brightness it turns grayish..but thats what lowering brightness is suppose to do...
5) Yeah.. texting while driving is bad...
6) Battery life varies by your usage..overall though if you configure it best you can on both devices Epic will win.

TheDub said:
Lets be a smarta$$ about it.
Anyways.
No. I have asked about the Evo's battery life and I quite frequently hear it hardly makes it through the day from people who DO own them. I've had mine unplugged with moderate use and plenty of calls since 7am and its at 40% right now at 11PM. Now to be fair.. my Epic is rooted with the battery sucking processes from Sprint/Samsung cut out, the Evo's i've heard about are stock. If both were rooted you'd probably cut similar results.
They both have 1500MAH batteries, they will both be roughly the same if you cut the fat out of each I imagine.
As for the screen, yeah the colors are not as accurate, but you're not going to notice, they have a cooler look to them which bothers the heck out of graphics designers and the like heh heh but really.. it's still stunning in comparison to the evo, but thats just MY opinion.
You really need to go into the Sprint store and play with both as much as you can.... you really can't go wrong with either of them and their pro's and con's split pretty evenly.
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i had to read that twice, he wasnt talkin about you only having two cents... he was referring to owning both phones... just kinda seemed like u took that the wrong way...

Personally, I never got to actually play around with an evo but I will say these things about my epic:
The keyboard, though sometimes annoying, is a great bonus to have for those who text/email/im/fb/whatever a lot. And you can bring the htc keyboard over to the epic as well.
The battery life on custom roms/kernels seems to be better when compared to most evo scenarios (I don't have an evo so don't quote me)
The color temps can be fixed using voodoo color.
The phone DEFINITELY responds better to user input than the evo, hands down (probably due to the evo having so much bloat, and also due to the better built cortex processor)
Updates on the evo happen more quickly, this is very true. But our devs have done a great job fixing MOST of our major issues.
This is a big one that people seem to be failing to mention. The new froyo modems seem to FIX gps PERMANENTLY. I've been running wifi on my epic for days without a reboot and gps is on hot start (not using the cold start workaround) and every time I get a full lock within seconds (using gps status).
All in all, I love my epic and the way it runs thanks to our community, but if you want a more reliable manufacturer (and a community that isn't chock full of spoiled brats who's parents bought them the phone), go with the evo.
If you can deal with the slower updates and the forum nonsense, go with the epic.
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Lol!
I think more kids end up with an epic over an evo just because of the keyboard. Look son it has a keyboard so you can type fast! "OMG L33T AHH! SWEET!" lol..
I wonder how many kids actually are on these forums when I was 12 I wasn't looking for ways to hack my cell phone... then again when I was 12 I think that Motorola "flip" phone that looked like something outta star trek was the most popular one for being so "portable". lol

uhm no, thats why there are sidekicks.. i doubt u will c a kid with an epic or evo..

So which phone are you going back to?

Have had it in use for more than a day. Battery life sucks, data speeds suck, screen is less than unimpressive...and when compared to my no-longer outgoing ATT Nexus One, its subpar in nearly every way that I seem to use a smartphone.
Its going back tomorrow. Who else is as turned-off this quickly by the Atrix?
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I have yet to receive mine.

nexusonemeover said:
Have had it in use for more than a day. Battery life sucks, data speeds suck, screen is less than unimpressive...and when compared to my no-longer outgoing ATT Nexus One, its subpar in nearly every way that I seem to use a smartphone.
Its going back tomorrow. Who else is as turned-off this quickly by the Atrix?
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This is a total troll post right? I've had the nexus one since day one, and by no means it anywhere close to this phone, and my nexus one is on gingerbread.

Troll post?
The Atrix may have larger performance numbers on paper but I'm saying that for how I use a phone the Atrix isnt great...its not even good.
My n1 screams in comparison; its hands down a better device.
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I appear to be having the exact opposite experience as I'm absolutely loving mine.
Oh, and I'm coming from an iP4 and an Inspire as my last 2 phones. Inspire batter was just horrid for me, but the Atrix has taken a full day's punishment of being used heavier than normal and I still have about 40% remaining. That includes tons of gaming (crazy snowboard and Angry Birds mostly) and some music, YouTube and browsing.

nexusonemeover said:
Troll post?
The Atrix may have larger performance numbers on paper but I'm saying that for how I use a phone the Atrix isnt great...its not even good.
My n1 screams in comparison; its hands down a better device.
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You, sir are off your rocker. I've had an N1 as well and you're right there is no comparison. Atrix destroys the N1.

Well my friend it seems a little faster then the nexus one but my nexus s blows the atrix out the park
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I'm disappointed with the upload speeds, but the phone rocks. I'm optimistic the speed issues will be resolved.
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ya im loving this thing coming from a dell streak with 2.2 miss the screen size but love the speed of this dual core beast....also run really fast in the laptop dock try doing some racing and see how fast it really is

nucentury08 said:
Well my friend it seems a little faster then the nexus one but my nexus s blows the atrix out the park
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How exactly does it blow it out of the park when stock Nexus S gives 1200 to 1300 in Quadrants and the Atrix gives 2800 COMPLETELY STOCK? Super Saturated Amoled Screen? No thank you.

What makes it so great for you guys?
I prioritize battery life, data speed, customization, size in hand. With those considerations the Atrix disappoints.
It may be great for some, but im still tallying the list of what I can no longer do in giving up the nexus for the atrix. So I'm headed back
I'm not looking to piss off folk, but just see if others see it the same way. New is not always better, QED.
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Coming from a Captivate running 2.2.1 (Serendipity 5.11), the Atrix is a lot faster. Absolutely no lag from my experience. Just missing the fast upload speeds...

Umm what nexus s gives that stock stock I pull 1969 non 2978 on voodoo kernal and 2.3 works with the ui to speed things up a feature only in 2.3 not froyo and 2.4 will be even better witch you will need a atrix 2 to see 2.4 I bet.
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Umm what nexus s gives that stock stock I pull 1969 non 2978 on voodoo kernal and 2.3 works with the ui to speed things up a feature only in 2.3 not froyo and 2.4 will be even better witch you will need a atrix 2 to see 2.4 I bet.
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Funny how your FULLY customize Nexus S needs all that to stand BESIDES the Atrix. And get your facts straights. 2.4 is Gingerbread. Which all new phones will see soon enough. Atrix I'm guessing even sooner.

I think it's just personal preference is all. I prefer the speed, display, screen size of the Atrix. It also absolutely smokes flash video. Speakers aren't tinny and have tons of clean volume which is a welcome change. Storage is also very nice, especially not having a small app storage. The fingerprint scanner is working perfectly for me and I find it easier to unlock my phone while taking it out of my pocket. Voice quality is a ton better for me as well. Gaming is way smoother than the N1 and multitouch is better.
Those are a few of the things that make is pretty great to me.

nexusonemeover said:
What makes it so great for you guys?
I prioritize battery life, data speed, customization, size in hand. With those considerations the Atrix disappoints.
It may be great for some, but im still tallying the list of what I can no longer do in giving up the nexus for the atrix. So I'm headed back
I'm not looking to piss off folk, but just see if others see it the same way. New is not always better, QED.
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I dont own an Atrix (yet) but had a chance to experiment with the device.
Customization and size can be considered very similar to the nexus 1. Data speeds is got to do with the AT&T network, not the phone. And my guess is that the battery life also better.
The only disappointment is the screen as compared to the captivate (i own..). The amoled screen though saturated colors is still better than the Atrix. The angry birds on the Atrix had the colors very dull. (i mean very disappointing.) Also the brightness with the max setting is equi9valent to say 25% brightness on the Amoled. But maybe thats bcoz i have got used to the captivate screen.
Otherwise the phone is super fast and responds very well. Quality is far better than the captivate.

Ah for nexus s its 2.3 gingerbread and the atrix wont taste icecream like the nexus s will good luck with even tasting 2.4 and roms fat chance #smh but enjoy moto helo moto
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still testing it out and i think its too soon to say i'll switch... but if xperia arc is available within 30 days i might be tempted... and my backup would be HTC Inspire 4g
so far my issues are battery life, moto blur, locked bootloader, data speed, some unsupported apps (due to resolution) and random lag
what i like is the weight, screen resolution, hdmi out, duo core speed, speed and of course more speed... I also like the "idea" of the accessories like the laptop dock, but will probably never purchase one
I'm sure the battery life will get better after a few charges, it is the first day after all and possibly with a firmware or two the data rates will improve as well.
If I do return it will be on the 30th day so I can get the full feel of the atrix express before I make a final decision
Just my two cents

majik8ball said:
still testing it out and i think its too soon to say i'll switch... but if xperia arc is available within 30 days i might be tempted... and my backup would be HTC Inspire 4g
so far my issues are battery life, moto blur, locked bootloader, data speed, some unsupported apps (due to resolution) and random lag
what i like is the weight, screen resolution, hdmi out, duo core speed, speed and of course more speed... I also like the "idea" of the accessories like the laptop dock, but will probably never purchase one
I'm sure the battery life will get better after a few charges, it is the first day after all and possibly with a firmware or two the data rates will improve as well.
If I do return it will be on the 30th day so I can get the full feel of the atrix express before I make a final decision
Just my two cents
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My battery life is MUCH better on the Atrix than the Inspire was for me. Ringer/notification volume is loud and clear vs the Inspire as well. I can set the phone down in the car and hear nav instructions easily even with music playing in the car. Flash video plays pretty well on the Inspire, but it gets smoked by the Atrix. I also love the docks such as the car dock. It's amazing how much easier it is to use in the car with a custom dock.

Battery life is better on the Atrix. I'm coming from a Nexus One.
The touch sensor on the N1 is also garbage. Typing on the Atrix is much improved.
720p video quality is much improved, although grainier than my Captivate.
Atrix loads faster than Nexus One.
I would rate the Atrix a "fair" upgrade. Just fixed some things about the N1 that I grew tired of.
P.S. Crippled upload is a bummer considering the front facing camera.

Epic vs shift?

My upgrade comes through on March 1st.. I've looked into each of these phones with great detail. This is what I've come up with in a nutshell. And I want everyone's professional opinion as ill be using this phone for a year or two.. thx guys and gals..(is there a girl on xda yet? ;p)
Stock pros of shift: pocket friendly, higher quality exterior, possibly more support on xda, I heart HTC.
Stock pros of epic 4g: better battery life, amoled screen, front facing camera, video card for twice the gaming potential
Both are 99.00 on Amazon with upgrade eligibility (so is the evo, but I don't need a tablet just yet, 4" is quite enough for me) .. I use sprint im not switching its cheap.. I'd rather have a steak then slightly improved cell service. I have wifi at home anyways..
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My wife has a shift and I have an Epic. Her phone is more stable and her camera takes noticeably better pictures. The keyboard is also better on the shift as sometimes the keys skip on the Epic. As far as froyo is concerned it is much more stable on the Shift as well.
When on the shift section of xda I noticed a lot of people got the phone for their wives and not for themselves. They say games don't run as smoothe on the shift such as psx rom.games. and there is no phone on the market that I've layed my hands on that has a prettier screen than the epic. The colors are just plain and simply better. The phone isn't the eye catcher the epic is
I would go personally with the Epic in hopes of sprint and Samsung getting their act together and fixing the numerous bugs that are associated with it. You'll definetely have a love hate relationship with the epic but I believe in the long run you'll be better off with it.
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At this point id say wait for the next round of phones as there'll be dual core options. Also, my gil has the evo and i the epic and they are about the same size overall, not too much difference.
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jirafabo said:
At this point id say wait for the next round of phones as there'll be dual core options. Also, my gil has the evo and i the epic and they are about the same size overall, not too much difference.
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If you can wait for the next round of phones I would, since they'll probably be out this summer. If you can't, the Epic is a good phone. I'm currently on EB 13 and I did a fresh install and then loaded all of my apps manually. There's still problems with the sport mode in the camera, Time without signal (TWS) being high unless you do the airplane mode toggle, and the camcorder being a little sluggish in low light. These aren't deal breakers for me, because I don't really use the phone for low light recordings or sport mode and I'm fine toggling the airplane mode. However, it would be nice to have this fixed. I haven't experienced any of the other bugs people have claimed, so I'm still very happy with the performance of EB 13, but I'm not holding my breath for a fix. I mainly stay on EB 13 because the battery life for me is drastically better than 2.1 and the performance is no worst than 2.1. The screen is a lot better as well.
Like I said before, I hope they fix the problems, but I wouldn't buy a phone assuming they will......

IMO, it all boils down to this..
If you want a KB, get the Epic, if you don't get the EVO
The EVO shift is simply not a high end phone, no matter how it was marketed.
It is not a matter of speed, but just a lack of to many high end features.

I would really say it boils down to you really wanting to mod it I have an epic and I've been pretty happy with having it rommed to froyo until. Although some of the hardware glitches or software do kinda get annoying. I still think it's pretty descent.
The shift I'm assuming is a descent phone as well and I heard the keyboard is way better then epic, so it really comes down to preference I really think.
Best advice I can say is go to the sprint store and play with both of them for about 30 minutes, like literally 30 minutes.

I own both. Epic has a nicer screen and is faster for games. Shift seems to be better for literally everything else.
But if you like to tweak endlessly, Epic may be more your speed.

Epic by a gazillian times. The screen is simply amazing! And the gpu screams. Along froyo with ext filesystem, it even beats the super dual core tegra Atrix phone. Trust me... Epic is hands down best. I owned a Evo and a shift. Both underperform compared to Epic.

Thanks a lot guys after reading I think I may just wait for next row of phones.. when do you think they'll come out?
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Brah the epic is a MAN PHONE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UB2DtU0UOo
The shift is something I would recommend to my grandma. though i wouldn't recommend a android phone to any tech impaired person( as my grandma is, fuuuu dont even get me started.)

From what it seems, the Shift is a less expensive/toned-down alternative to the Epic and Evo. So you're more or less comparing two differently classed phones.
Also, I love the keyboard on the epic. It's very roomy and comfortable, especially with its five rows. Plus, the Super AMOLED screen is gorgeous and a serious selling point. And regarding support on XDA, the Epic has nearly 10 times more threads and posts in each sub-forum.
I've never actually owned a Shift, but just from the numbers it seems the Epic is a much better deal, especially since they are the same price on Amazon. But waiting for Sprint's next lineup of Android phones seems like a good choice as well.

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There's still problems with the sport mode in the camera... and the camcorder being a little sluggish in low light.
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Not sure if it makes a difference to you or not, but thete is now a fix fir the cameta issues in eb13. Keepin' the faith that sprint will release a more stable update soon. In the mean time get the epic and trust in the great devs we have here.
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Gersonian said:
Not sure if it makes a difference to you or not, but thete is now a fix fir the cameta issues in eb13. Keepin' the faith that sprint will release a more stable update soon. In the mean time get the epic and trust in the great devs we have here.
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Lol screw samsung and sprint for updates. Devs for the win.
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Shift out performs evo.. epic has it beat on the graphics end. at least according to benchmark apps. I think I'm going to go with the shift for now... ill just add another line late this summer to try and get another phone..
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From what it seems, the Shift is a less expensive/toned-down alternative to the Epic and Evo. So you're more or less comparing two differently classed phones.
Also, I love the keyboard on the epic. It's very roomy and comfortable, especially with its five rows. Plus, the Super AMOLED screen is gorgeous and a serious selling point. And regarding support on XDA, the Epic has nearly 10 times more threads and posts in each sub-forum.
I've never actually owned a Shift, but just from the numbers it seems the Epic is a much better deal, especially since they are the same price on Amazon. But waiting for Sprint's next lineup of Android phones seems like a good choice as well.
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Heavy
I've had the Epic and the Evo, not the Shift tho. But I've played with the Shift for a while and one thing that surprises me is HOW HEAVY it is! For the weight difference, I'd almost just get the Epic. Regardless... if you want a billion ROM's that's hard to decipher and just really be confused most of the time, get an HTC. Tho, I will say their stock ROM's hand Samy's rear to them. The build quality on all three phones I would say are on par with each other.
The GPS on the Evo is AMAZING! I ALWAYS get a quick lock (within 5-10 seconds of opening up maps), and after 15-20 seconds, it's accurate to 3m (9 feet!), the Epic, not so much. After about 30 seconds, it'd lock, and only be accurate to 20m (60 feet!?!). As for using navigation on the phone, again, I would buy a garmin or tom-tom before I'd use the Epic's navigation.
Bottom line, yeah, if you need a phone that just works, any HTC is the way to go. BUT, the screen, size of keyboard, how good it plays games, did I mention the screen quality? are unmatched on the Epic. Hardware-wise (beyond maybe the GPS), the Epic is unbeaten.
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Shift out performs evo.. epic has it beat on the graphics end. at least according to benchmark apps. I think I'm going to go with the shift for now... ill just add another line late this summer to try and get another phone..
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The answers to all of your questions in this thread. A very nice debate between some of us hardware nuts. (I won. )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907182

noskoviak said:
Shift out performs evo.. epic has it beat on the graphics end. at least according to benchmark apps. I think I'm going to go with the shift for now... ill just add another line late this summer to try and get another phone..
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Untrue. Stop using Quadrant and Linpack (outdated benchmarks that are optimized for Snapdragon) and you'll see that it is simply not the case.
MHz for MHz, the Qualcomm MSM SoCs are slightly more powerful than the Hummingbird, but at 800 MHz they still fall behind the 1 GHz S5PC110.

I was using smartbench what do u think of that one?
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I got the shift by the way... and I'm am loving it. Superior device imo.
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Shift is good, but the epic is on a whole other level, in terms of hardware. Stock the shift has the better software, but if your going to mod your phone with some of the awesome xda dev software.......that's where you'll see what I mean by being on a whole other level. Don't wait to long to trade your new shift in and get a real upgrade

Anyone with an EVO 3D, prefer the Nexus S 4G?

Long story short: I was an original EVO owner who got caught up in the 3D hype. I upgraded my line with the 3D and gave my mom the EVO.
After using the phone know for roughly 2 weeks, I'm finding myself missing AOSP/CM7/permanent root/etc...
I guess I could swap phones with my mom but that would be too easy....
Which leads ne to my questions;
Anyone who owns both prefer one over the other?
How's the battery life?
Any major or annoying issues with the ns4g?
Sorry if this has been asked but I just couldn't find an opinion from the NS4G side only biased opinions from 3D users
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I know someone that owns both. I thought about getting a 3d and he told me the nexus is a better phone. If aosp/cm7 are your thing you cant go wrong with the nexus.

I had the ns4g for 2 days. Not a bad phone. One click root was a pain, not entirely one click but not too bad. I had cm7 and a kernel that allowed 1.4ghz overclocking. The biggest drawback was no micro SD. It had a built in 16gb flash so storage was limited. Not a bad phone, I liked it but 16gb isn't enough for me. I ended up exchanging for the OG EVO. I played with the 3d before my 30 days was up but it just wasn't for me. I find my ROM is sufficient enough for my needs and I can always jump back aboard cm7 if I want.
Sorry got off track, but if you can live with 16gb of storage then jump on the ns4g train. It wasn't for me so I jumped ship early.
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Some people really complain about the build quailty too. Though I dropped my ns4g screen down about 4 feet onto my kitchen floor and it didn't have one scratch. Im pretty sure the bezel protected the screen and also I don't run with a case. This phone feels cheap but it is built to last. Also people complain about the over saturation of color on the screen but really this is the one of the few screen that you can also see in direct sunlight, it is awesome. As for the 3d imma tell my brother to get it cause he doesn't know what aosp is and doubt he cares about rooting. Ill touch down back in a couple of days.
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Wow I completely forgot about the lack of external storage/SD support. After posting I ended up stopping by a sprint store and handled the Ns4g. Build quality is very discouraging just by its feel. I remember messing with the original nexus and was really pleased...
Looks like I may just hold off for now and use my other lines upgrade for an sgs2
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It is all plastic, but it still feels relatively solid. I thought the 16gb would be limiting, but I'm using audiogalaxy and music beta for audio, so most of my usual bulk is in the cloud.
Rooting and flashing custom kernels/roms was easy to do though, a real joy.

I would go for the original Evo 4G. It is more solid, larger screen, and has much better radios and throughput speeds than the Nexus.
The 3D seems to need a software update for wonky radio issues...
My Evo battery lasts 3x as long as my Nexus does. Though some people's Nexus lasts a long time, mine does not.
See this thread for more posts about this topic:
http://forum.androidcentral.com/sprint-nexus-s-4g/99912-must-strong.html

Yeah for sure, if flashing is your thang we got miui, many aosp roms, cm7, and enough kernels to boot. Also very easy to root as well. Nexus phones = flashers dream
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I've had both since both launch dates, the 3vo is far better, yeah you can't root/flash at the moment, but if you're thinking of getting one it's far superior then the Nexus, once we get s-off it'll be great. Only thing nexus has is NFC and it's easy to unlock. Battery life on my 3vo is almost as good as my nexus. Again, once we have s-off I really don't think it'll be a contest between the two. 3vo>nexus

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I would go for the original Evo 4G. It is more solid, larger screen, and has much better radios and throughput speeds than the Nexus.
The 3D seems to need a software update for wonky radio issues...
My Evo battery lasts 3x as long as my Nexus does. Though some people's Nexus lasts a long time, mine does not.
See this thread for more posts about this topic:
http://forum.androidcentral.com/sprint-nexus-s-4g/99912-must-strong.html
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Wow, really? I just traded in my EVO4G for a Nexus, and there's not even a comparison. The Nexus flat out sh!ts on the EVO in every way. Hell, it's faster than the 3d most of the time. Plus I totally disagree with all this nonsense about build quality. The EVO had a ton of hardware problems. Light bleed, screen separation, the plastic all around the screen cracking, etc. I'm sick of all the credit HTC gets for build quality.
I think maybe you should do a factory reset on your Nexus if the battery is that bad. Something is up with that.

I also don't understand people saying bad build quality on nexus or bad battery life. Feels solid to me. Is faster in every way than My og evo overclocked on cm7. And battery is awesome. O get 20 hours with moderate use and brightness all the way up and everything syncing. Very happy with my nexus. Remember everything new will always debut on nexus as well.

EVO 4G to Nexus S 4G

Hi all,
I'm currently using my EVO (with Cyanogenmod) but pondering an upgrade to the Nexus S 4G. Has anyone else made that leap and, if so, what are your thoughts and experiences? Thanks.

I havent looked back. Its super fast, easy to manipulate, love my SGX540, 4"screen size is where its at in my opinion. Also, the thing I really found amazing was the huge difference in the displays but 16m colors should be the minimum. Although I enjoyed my Evo when I had it...for about six months. Ill be sticking with the dev phones from now on. Unless they reach a ridiculous screen size.

I made the jump and pondered for a good month going back too.
Overall i'm glad I did and stuck with it. The NS4G feels really light in the hand coming from the evo which is refreshing. A lot of the weird bugs with parts of the OS stopping working after a few days usage I was finding in CM7 on the evo aren't present on the NS4G.
Battery life outdoes the evo for me, even with heavier usage on the NS4G.
My only two complaints:
* The speakerphone isn't very loud. There is a kernel out there to work on fixing this, but i'm holding out for the OTA to see if it helps
* The wifi signal is much weaker than the evo in my house. Hoping the OTA helps there too.

Yeah I used the EVO since last August than I got the NS4G right around launch day.
I don't think I could have a non-developer phone any more. You don't have to deal with any carrier garbage you get to make the phone how you want not how someone else wants it.
Also I rooted both phones as soon as I got them and rooting the NS is vary easy. I would say take the jump if you like pure Google and modding your phone.

jdh10475 said:
Yeah I used the EVO since last August than I got the NS4G right around launch day.
I don't think I could have a non-developer phone any more. You don't have to deal with any carrier garbage you get to make the phone how you want not how someone else wants it.
Also I rooted both phones as soon as I got them and rooting the NS is vary easy. I would say take the jump if you like pure Google and modding your phone.
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I loved my Evo very much.... or at least I thought I did until I met my sexy nexy. I have not missed my Evo for one instant. Srsly.

Only thing I miss is the kickstand every now and then.
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I have had two nexus phones and each have had problems. I keep switching back to the Evo with good reason. Just sold my second Nexus on ebay. Love the size and weight of the nexus but that's about it. Radio and battery problems galore.

I have only had mine for about 4 days but will give you some comparisons since the evo is still fresh in my mind.
Size: NS is much easier to hold. especially when trying to hold in one handed in portrait. The weight and curves make it feel like it fits in your hand. I always had a problem with the weight and sharp angle of the back wearing into my pinky as that is the finger that would hold all the weight at the bottom in portrait.
Landscape is easier to hold as well... but still don't try to take pictures one handed.
Screen: Colors are much more saturated. I like this. screen is easier to read during the day and very few fingerprints. However whites are a little on the yellow side (warmer as i like my color palette cooler). In low light the screen is just the right brigtness. My wife does not get bothered as much when i leave it on auto brightness at night. That being said there are jagged edges on lines and borders and text if you read with it close. Most of the time you will not notice though. Blacks are AWESOME. Put a black background with white text
camera: Pictures are much better than the evo. options are highly limited though but work well enough for me. have not tried much with the video camera.
UI: I used cm7 with LP on my evo. I put LP on the NS as well. However after a day or so I took it off. I am running stock and have found no reason to root (except that i miss the notification bar widgets but the 4G one does not work yet anyway).....yet. I feel the stock android works and is kind of what CM was trying to achieve anyway + any bonuses they might have.
wifi and 4G: Both work about the same for me. I have seen the NS get further outside then the EVO on occasion so take that for what you will. But i have also seen drop outs on wifi on the NS for no reason.
Battery: battery seems to be better on the NS. I work nights so that throws off any calibration I can do. Will have a better answer next week.
Other: I traded in my evo and got the NS for 150... then got the 50 bucks back the next day for the price drop. so considering i paid 200 for my evo.. i think trading in was a good deal. (was gonna give it to my daughter but she needs to wait awhile)
feel free to ask if you have any other questions and remember yuo do have 30 days just in case something else comes out that may make you question your decision

After selling my second Nexus recently due to battery life and radio issues, I may be down for some of this:
http://thisismynext.com/2011/07/15/samsung-galaxy-ii-within-sprint-pictures/

EVO 4G to EVO 3D to NS4G here.
This is day one with the Nexus and other than the piss poor 4G speed and signal issues I love it (hopefully fixed soon)! I hate Sense.
I won't be able to say no to the SGS2 though. That's what I'm holding my upgrade for.
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i dropped the evo because htc sense interferes with bluetooth performance in my new vechicle.
honestly, i only feel that the nexus has a better camera.
i miss sense so much. the widgets were a big deal to me. and beyond that, there were little software tweaks such as the smart dialer which i couldn't believe were not stock android. also, the nexus is abysmal with signal strength and 4g performance. it also just feels cheap and plastic-y.
i dont believe in modding since non of the roms are totally effective with all features working properly. i hope the nexus update will at least make the phone a bit more bearable. otherwise i will wait patiently for the sprint iphone.

I went from a rooted EVO to a NS4G last week after being disappointed with the 3d. Love it. It's a huge upgrade over the 4G. Hell, it's as fast or faster than the dual core 3d in a lot of instances. You won't be disappointed

Thanks
Thanks all around for everyone that gave feedback. The NS4G's price seems unbeatable right now and everyone's feedback makes me feel like I'd be happy with the upgrade.
I use CM7 for the close-to-stock feel, so having an actual clean, stock UI would make me happy. The main gripes people mentioned wouldn't be features I'd care enough to miss (kickstand, for instance).
Thanks again to all and keep the feedback coming.

I am looking at getting the Nexus-S and i have the EVO-3D, and not so happy with it, with the beastly spec's the 3VO is not near as fast and smooth as I expected.
My Wife has the N-S 4G, and I play with it all the time, I dare say it is faster/smoother than my EVO-3D. Plus the screen is beautiful, and 4" is the perfect size, plus it feels great in the hand, very lightweight and fits in pockets easily.
If coming from the EVO 4G, I highly recommend the Nexus-S 4G.
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sdc177 said:
EVO 4G to EVO 3D to NS4G here.
This is day one with the Nexus and other than the piss poor 4G speed and signal issues I love it (hopefully fixed soon)! I hate Sense.
I won't be able to say no to the SGS2 though. That's what I'm holding my upgrade for.
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Wait a little longer for the next Nexus, don't get Galaxy S2, the Nexus-Prime, also made by Samsung with a brand new screen technology a HiDef AMOLED+. And will be the first phone on the market running Android 4.0. Plus higher memory and higher RAM than the Galaxy S2 .
Supposed to release by November.
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Zorachus said:
Wait a little longer for the next Nexus, don't get Galaxy S2, the Nexus-Prime, also made by Samsung with a brand new screen technology a HiDef AMOLED+. And will be the first phone on the market running Android 4.0. Plus higher memory and higher RAM than the Galaxy S2 .
Supposed to release by November.
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I really doubt that.
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sdc177 said:
I really doubt that.
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What do you doubt, everything he said is correct, at least according to engadget and pocketnow
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mreniigma said:
i dropped the evo because htc sense interferes with bluetooth performance in my new vechicle.
honestly, i only feel that the nexus has a better camera.
i miss sense so much. the widgets were a big deal to me. and beyond that, there were little software tweaks such as the smart dialer which i couldn't believe were not stock android. also, the nexus is abysmal with signal strength and 4g performance. it also just feels cheap and plastic-y.
i dont believe in modding since non of the roms are totally effective with all features working properly. i hope the nexus update will at least make the phone a bit more bearable. otherwise i will wait patiently for the sprint iphone.
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launcher pro has sense-like widgets so you could use that

Gotta say I agree with most of what was said here. I went from an Evo to a NS4G to an Evo 3D, and I'm really at the point where I'm kicking myself now in some ways. The biggest reason I gave my wife the NS4G and took the Evo 3D on an upgrade was the signal issues. Two days later, the update was announced. I was really starting to kick myself at that point, and then it got delayed. I'm hoping the update comes out before my 30 days are up, so I can see the improvements first hand. If not, I'm gonna have to pick up a Photon 4G. I'm honestly not impressed with the Evo 3D. My wife's Nexus feels faster, to tell the truth. Not to mention, I LOVE the feel of the Nexus in my hand. 4.3 inch screen just feels too big. It's uncomfortable. If the Nexus' signal issue get sorted out, I'd say it's my favorite phone, period. But I just can't live with those kinds of signal problems. My wife can.

Same here sort of. Had an Evo 4G, was fine, great when i was running Cyanogenmod. Then i upgraded to an Evo 3D and its great and all, but i really really want aosp, and quicker updates.
so.... i bought a Nexus S 4g which should arrive tomorrow. Anxious to see how it is. I'll reply with my thoughts after i receive it. I have a feeling I'll be selling my evo 3d... we'll see.