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[Q] VM for android?

Hi all,
Anyone know if you can run VM over android. I heard somewhere that it will be soon possible to run VMwhare over android.
Regards,
Bastospn

do you mean the VMWare client, right?

Yes. I know that for a 512 MB it could be a bit odd, but in theory it should be possible.

They are working on a remote client that can run on android, but if you are dreaming about a working virtual machine that can run over an arm processor, keep dreaming
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I don't see way not. I know for most people VMs are just for big servers but it could make sense in mobile world too.
_http://droidpolice.com/lg-and-virtual-vmware-environments-bringing-to-android-video/
Regards,
Bastospn

Years ago I have seen a x86 virtual machine written entirely in java running windos xp on a nikia comunicator: the only drawback is performance that was stated to be 30% of processor power available to the guest operating system ( keep in mind what is the speed of a cellphone processor). This makes it theoretically possible, but on the other side you have to increase system resources in order to run an extra os environment that can be usable, and more resources mean higher price
About your link lg is only working to create an android virtual machine in order to have an isolated enterprise environment on the phone, and not a fully working virtual machine host for others OSes
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will apps work in Windows 8

if i install windows 8 on my windows 7 will everything be formatted ?
and other apps i install will that work ?

Create a new partition if you want a dual boot, otherwise it will overwrite your data, because currently there is no upgrade function. Most Applications will work in the dev release, but MS is changing Framework, so I am not sure if they will work in the final release!

I've encountered a handful of apps that give me grief on Windows 8, but they're pretty old after all. A few classic games that I own through Steam will install well enough, but are a headache to run.
In all fairness, I had similar trouble in Windows 7 (for some reason, a handful of old games redistributed with DOSbox fail to launch), so it's probably safe to say that anything Windows 7 can handle, Windows 8 can as well. For everything else, there are virtual machines.

josidhe said:
so it's probably safe to say that anything Windows 7 can handle, Windows 8 can as well.
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Not so true

anna0811 said:
if i install windows 8 on my windows 7 will everything be formatted ?
and other apps i install will that work ?
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Try this tutorial on how to dual-boot Windows 7 & 8: How to Dual-Boot Windows 7 and Windows 8 Side By Side

josidhe said:
so it's probably safe to say that anything Windows 7 can handle, Windows 8 can as well. For everything else, there are virtual machines.
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Not so there are a number of applications that will not run on VM ware, especially some of the tools required to work with Android phones.
My recommendation, get or keep an old laptop with Windows XP service pack 3 and your good to go.
Windows really should have everything backward compatible, but it doesn't.....Sigh!

Starburst13 said:
Not so there are a number of applications that will not run on VM ware, especially some of the tools required to work with Android phones.
My recommendation, get or keep an old laptop with Windows XP service pack 3 and your good to go.
Windows really should have everything backward compatible, but it doesn't.....Sigh!
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My understanding is that, with USB pass through in VMs, there are no significant limitations on what you can do with a USB device from within a virtual machine. There are extensive discussions on using tools like adb from a virtualized Ubuntu box, at least.
As for your final comment, you're on a strange side of the fence. It has long been a *criticism* of Microsoft that it struggled for so long to keep Windows backwards compatible, and many--MANY--users have wanted them to throw caution to the wind and "rebuild from scratch" the OS, with such compatibility-breaking demands as "eliminate the registry" and so on.
Android itself barely stumbles through version changes, with countless applications breaking on each new release,, prompting swarms of app updates with nothing on their change logs but "added support for 2.x". To this day there are apps on the market with separate entries for 1.x devices.
So I would expect advanced users to acknowledge that virtualization is the grand middle ground solution, allowing businesses with ancient tools to keep using them while advancing the actual OS without wasted development time.

I definitely wouldn't recommend formatting your current Windows 7 partition and installing Windows 8, as it's still a developer preview. Try creating a new partition and dual-booting, this would also allow you to keep all of your current programs and data on your Windows 7 partition.

[Q] will the tablet be able to run .EXE files?

Will the windows 8 surface tablet by microsoft that will be released soon be able to run the softwares I am using right now on my laptop?
.EXE files, desktop, and every basic computer thing, or it will be metro use only?
I'm really confused right now, I installed windows 8 R,P on my laptop and although I got a Metro-mobile.like view, I still have my desktop, my softwares and the whole PC-organized (IDK how to name it)..
So will this be available on the tablet too? (the one that the rumors says is gonna be 200-300$ cheap and fight the Nexus 7 head2head.
Thanks.

The Microsoft Surface which will be available soon will not run your "old Windows" Software. It will be the "little" Surfae which is running Windows 8 RT (ARM based).
Your "old" Windows software compiled for x86/x64 Windows.
The second edition of the Surface - the Surface Pro - is running Windows 8 Pro and this tablet will run all your desktop software.

Oh I see, so I was excited about the Surface for nothing, cuz if its just a Metro like windows phone, we are back to a Big-screen-smartphone-tablet...
I wonder about that "PRO" edition.. I'll look up for it,
Thanks for your answer!

Your welcome.
Microsoft presented four editions of their new tablet.
Two editions for each Windows RT and Windows 8 Pro:
Microsoft Surface (RT) with Windows RT (running on an ARM processor) and 16 or 32 GB which will be available around the official launch of Windows 8 near to october 26th
and
Microsoft Surface Pro with Windows 8 Pro (running an Core i5 [probably]) and 32 or 64 GB which will be available about three months later than the "little" Surface (that would be the end of january 2013)

I would like to correct you posts, Surface PRO will have a desktop, and will able to run your old windows apps.

junpeikawada said:
I would like to correct you posts, Surface PRO will have a desktop, and will able to run your old windows apps.
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Didn't I say exactly THAT:
hanswurst24 said:
The Microsoft Surface which will be available soon will not run your "old Windows" Software. It will be the "little" Surfae which is running Windows 8 RT (ARM based).
Your "old" Windows software compiled for x86/x64 Windows.
The second edition of the Surface - the Surface Pro - is running Windows 8 Pro and this tablet will run all your desktop software.
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mcjordan92 said:
Will the windows 8 surface tablet by microsoft that will be released soon be able to run the softwares I am using right now on my laptop?
.EXE files, desktop, and every basic computer thing, or it will be metro use only?
I'm really confused right now, I installed windows 8 R,P on my laptop and although I got a Metro-mobile.like view, I still have my desktop, my softwares and the whole PC-organized (IDK how to name it)..
So will this be available on the tablet too? (the one that the rumors says is gonna be 200-300$ cheap and fight the Nexus 7 head2head.
Thanks.
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You did not install RP as that is not available as a download it would of been an x86 version probably pro. The x86 versions are full on windows, I currently ise Enterprise 64bit as my work machine and my home laptop. TBH I spend hardly anytime in the metro interface.
RT will still have the desktop view and limited support for some older style programs - internet explorer desktop mode, office 2013 etc. However you cant install anything outside the marketplace. It will most likely get hacked but if you need old style windows apps you will need to get the windows 8 not windows rt.

lumpaywk said:
You did not install RP as that is not available as a download it would of been an x86 version probably pro. The x86 versions are full on windows, I currently ise Enterprise 64bit as my work machine and my home laptop. TBH I spend hardly anytime in the metro interface.
RT will still have the desktop view and limited support for some older style programs - internet explorer desktop mode, office 2013 etc. However you cant install anything outside the marketplace. It will most likely get hacked but if you need old style windows apps you will need to get the windows 8 not windows rt.
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On my desktop theres a logo saying "Windows 8 Release Preview, evolution copy.."
Its not the first trial that was avialable at first, I got updated and re-installed it with some new stuffs..

mcjordan92 said:
On my desktop theres a logo saying "Windows 8 Release Preview, evolution copy.."
Its not the first trial that was avialable at first, I got updated and re-installed it with some new stuffs..
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This is the last of the beta, sorry I read the t as a p that's my bad. You can get a free trial of rtm (the final build as it will be sold), but once the trial is up you will have to reinstall a proper copy you cant just change the key. I have mine because I have volume license with support as well as TechNet and it is already released to us.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/jj554510.aspx

You'll just have to check what processor the tablet comes with, if its anything ARM based then it will NOT run your old software. If its Intel based, probably called an Intel Atom processor then it will run your old software since it uses the traditional x86 instruction set.

Yeah I figured it out, it kinda dissapointing.. I wished the buy the cheap tablet one as my school tablet but it seems now that its gonna be very expensive which make me think back about buying a laptop instead, or stick with my old laptop..

spunker88 said:
You'll just have to check what processor the tablet comes with, if its anything ARM based then it will NOT run your old software. If its Intel based, probably called an Intel Atom processor then it will run your old software since it uses the traditional x86 instruction set.
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I will note incase any noobs stumble across this that x64 is also x86 its just as its 64bit they like to use it to tell the diff etc.
They are x86 because they come from the 8086 from back in the late 70's and was only 16bit (I say only remember this was still the70's) and that replaced the 8080 (8 bit). The name just followed on (286, 386, 486, Pentium x86).

DuOS-M Discussion

DuOS-M is commercial software developed by American Megatrends for Intel x86-based computers using the Microsoft Windows operating system to provide a "dual operating system" environment in which the user can simultaneously deploy the Android operating system in tandem with Microsoft Windows.
DuOS-M supports key hardware peripherals in Windows including cameras, audio, microphone and sensors such as ambient light sensor, accelerometer, gyrometer, compass and orientation sensors. It also supports various screen sizes, resolutions, and screen orientation (portrait and landscape) along with 3D acceleration and HD video playback.
The first version of DuOS-M was released in June 2014. The software is available for download for a free 30-day trial, and is available for purchase for a complete license (currently $9.99 US).
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Homepage: http://amiduos.com/
I'm surprised there's no discussion on this in xda developers, so I thought I'd start one.
Personal experiences :
I wanted to find an alternative to Andy and Genymotion which rely on VirtualBox since the VirtualBox's ndis filter drivers make my Windows 8.1 desktop regularly bluescreen. There's also Bluestacks but that always seemed to run poorly on even powerful computers.
DuOS-M is based on Android 4.2.2 (Jelly Bean). They've stated they have no slated support for KitKat since they don't see it as a significant upgrade, but are looking into Android-L support. It comes pre-installed with the Amazon Marketplace. It can run both native x86 android apps and ARM apps out of the box. After installation it takes you to a page that explains how to easily install the Google Play Store / Services:
Installing Google Play Store:
http://amiduos.com/nextsteps
If you scroll down on the above link it also has instructions how to root your installation, which is dead simple.
I really like how Google Play, ARM Support, and Root support are all baked into the process.
Unfortunately I was unable to run this on my Windows 8.1 Enterprise edition desktop since it's running the Hyper-V role which DuOS-M doesn't support (shows a warning on startup that virtualization isn't enabled and then hangs when you OK the warning). I could disable Hyper-V (via removing the role or adding a boot flag option with Hyper-V disabled) but I develop too often with Windows Phone 8 to do that right now.
I next tested it on my ASUS VivoBook 11.6" (1366x768) Touchscreen Laptop which has a Celeron 1007U Dual Core CPU and 4GB memory running Windows 8.1. It runs surprisingly well, better than Genymotion in most cases. It's not perfect, Word With Friends for instance has weird missing textures. But it has been able to run things I've never gotten to work in Genymotion or Bluestacks, such as video streaming in Qloud Media player. Since this is a touch screen laptop all gestures and touch controls seems to work great, in addition to the keyboard/mouse controls. I like how DuOS-M doesn't install a new virtual network card on the host machine and seems to support Internet access transparently.
They recently just released a 32-bit beta version which I'm eager to try on my Dell Venue 8 Pro 8" Windows tablet. At $9.99 I'll probably purchase a copy before my 30-days are up. I'm curious to hear other people's thoughts on DuOS-M. Hopefully with more users/feedback they can continue improving this great Android virtualization alternative.

I've recently purchased DuOS-M.
Compared with Bluestacks, DuOS is a Ferrari. I'm using it on a Lenovo Yoga and i'm very impressed.
My Lenovo has a mobile core i5 processor but this is no problem at all.
All apps and games are running without lag. I did see some glitches but nothing serious.
Overall i'm very pleased with DuOS-M.
It would be nice to see what happens if XDA modders and cookers shine a light on this one!

It's nice...
Really lightweight and fast to install...
Has some limitations like no resizable window, but great overall.

tfouto said:
It's nice...
Really lightweight and fast to install...
Has some limitations like no resizable window, but great overall.
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DuOS will not launch in Full screen when the System RAM is less than 3GB, even though full screen is set in Configuration tool or 0 is set in xml configuration file.
This is known issue and this will be fixed in future release.

Seems like the latest update has fixed the fullscreen issue! Runs quite well on my Asus T100.

whopper2005 said:
I've recently purchased DuOS-M.
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Does Titanium Backup work using DuosM?

LochNiss said:
Does Titanium Backup work using DuosM?
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Seemed to work fine, go ahead and try it for yourself, the trial version is fully functional for 30 days.

Did you have to buy it or is it to find it for free? thx for the anwser :

rhaas1 said:
Did you have to buy it or is it to find it for free? thx for the anwser :
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You can try the full version for 30 days.
After that its $9.99 USD.

vampirexhunter said:
You can try the full version for 30 days.
After that its $9.99 USD.
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Does DuOS have a Lollipop image yet ?

Just wondering if anyone found a way around the syscheck (in particular, the 1GB ram). I'm running this on my Surface Pro and it blows Bluestacks out of the water. So I was thinking of running it on an HP Stream 7, a cheapo Windows tablet, but it only has 1GB ram. Getting a "Unfortunately you do not have enough memory to install DuOS-m." error.

DuOS vs Bluestack vs Genymotion vs Andyroid, which one better?

Isn't it VirtualBox also?
TalynOne said:
I wanted to find an alternative to Andy and Genymotion which rely on VirtualBox since the VirtualBox's ndis filter drivers make my Windows 8.1 desktop regularly bluescreen. There's also Bluestacks but that always seemed to run poorly on even powerful computers.
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Fun fact: This version uses a custom build of VirtualBox. If you dig around, you can find the VHD files and VM config.
Unfortunately, without some reverse engineering, you can't just mount the disks in a VBox VM and go, there's some local host-only networking going on that I'm assuming helps authenticate to the licensing server or something, because trying to launch it gets it stuck after initializing the network interfaces (probably waiting for UDP packets).
Since the virtual nics are in NAT mode, I'm assuming that's why your PC isn't bluescreening, since NAT networking doesn't actually hook your interfaces but is translated from within the VBox software.
I am curious as to how this will work if I install VirtualBox side-by-side.... (it's currently on a separate vanilla test machine).

DuOS is really great, i just installed it and fell in love with straight away. but Has any one tried windroye, it seems to perform well and also has a mobile companion... I'm using it in high end machine so cant really tell the difference. so anyone who tried can you share your opinion ?
download link
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Is there any to install this on PC without Graphics Card ?

christiano9911 said:
Is there any to install this on PC without Graphics Card ?
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Do you mean using integrated graphics? If so, yes. Works perfectly with my built in graphics card on my laptop.
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no
I mean without graphics card!

For those who've run it on a 32-bit device (older laptop or maybe the Dell Venue Pro 8), any chance you guys can provide the msi installation file? I'd like to try this on an HP Stream 7 which only has 1GB ram.

Apparently AMI is/ will be announcing DuOS 5 at MWC, obviously hoping they have bumped it up to lollipop.

Does anyone has available the keyboard shortcuts list, for zooming and multitouch actions? I can't find it anymore on the official website

Windows 10 on SATV?

This may be a silly question but do you think it would be possible, in the near future, to have windows 10 on SATV? i remember reading something similar about the shield portable.
Thanks to who will answer this silly question

well, it may be possible to get windows 10 RT on the SATV with TONS of modding and somehow managing to get microsoft and nvidia to ok it, but IMHO , this won't happen any time soon without virtualization which means really slow ... painfully slow use.

Umisguy said:
well, it may be possible to get windows 10 RT on the SATV with TONS of modding and somehow managing to get microsoft and nvidia to ok it, but IMHO , this won't happen any time soon without virtualization which means really slow ... painfully slow use.
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thanks for answering! I knew it would have been nearly impossible but since there are mini pc's with much much lower specs i was wondering if..!! Thanks anyway!

The majority of the reason for the issues with your question have to do with the fact that the nvidia shield android tv is in fact due to it not having an x86 CPU

Windows RT runs on ARM processors.

lorenzoamati2606 said:
This may be a silly question but do you think it would be possible, in the near future, to have windows 10 on SATV? i remember reading something similar about the shield portable.
Thanks to who will answer this silly question
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its not completely impossible but it wont run very well (though it may be somewhat usable after waiting forever for it to boot).
you can use an x86 emulator like Bochs and then install windows but there hasn't been a lot of success with a very usable install, and I haven't heard of windows 10 working but I have heard of success with windows 8.
obviously the older windows versions have the most success, windows xp being the most popular but windows 95 obviously running better because of the low resources needed.
here is a tutorial : Windows XP for Bochs
you may want a full android install before trying it, and obviously a keyboard and mouse.
Windows 8 RT does support ARM but is not open source so porting it to this hardware without Microsoft would be problematic to say the least.
on top of that Microsoft dropped support for Windows RT once the Atom chip was released and they found that they could just use full x86 windows installs.
on a side note, I know its not really what you asked but if a desktop replacement is what your looking for you might try linux: link here
or a full android install (I use android exclusively for home and work successfully myself with no access at home to another OS)