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Touch HD Speaker quality?

Havn't seen any threads around here about the quality of the loudspeaker, like for mp3 ringtones and such.
I have an XDA2i and the sound is tiny, with no real range, but it does get loud enough to hear ok. I'm wondering, could anyone with an HD post a quick paragraph about how the sound is over loudspeaker.
Also, i understand there is a system equalizer. does this effect the loud speaker or only music over headphones?
Thanks, i'm waiting patiently on mine to be delivered but it's been playing on my mind (excuse the pun )
.....BANE

Considering it's a tiny speaker it's not bad. No complaints.
There is an EQ program called 'Audio Booster' which is also integrated with the TF3D music player, this does only work with headphones.

very bad sound from the speakers,quite possibly the worse i have experienced of any phone.
ringtones are quite good, i am referring to multimedia playback through the speakers.

yes I agree, it really is awful.
The speaker in it is worse than listening to a single mini headphone placed in the middle of a table. Terrible! Considering the price, a decent speaker would have been nice . .
as would a flash for the camera
as would GPS that didnt take 5 minutes
as would the ability to play movies without them stuttering
as would the ability to view flash content in web pages
as would the ability to store stuff on decent internal storage
I know all the arguments for the above, size, weight, battery . . . but you have to remember what we all paid for this device. We paid a HECK of a lot of money.

mmm.. so it coulld bea little disappointing. I guess as long as it is better than myxda2i, i'll be happy

indup said:
very bad sound from the speakers,quite possibly the worse i have experienced of any phone.
ringtones are quite good, i am referring to multimedia playback through the speakers.
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the trinity was worse - I don't mind the sound quality which is just lacking basses but is not crackling...

mmm that's good. on full volume songs on the 2i were cracky. i didn't expect any bass really.

WOW, we're talking about a tiny little speaker on a phone, think some people are being a bit picky.
I'll admit though, It's not as good quality as the B&W's I have hooked up in my house

Philio25 said:
WOW, we're talking about a tiny little speaker on a phone, think some people are being a bit picky.
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Philo, I do take your point honest I do, but my point is that we are paying between €600 and €700 for this puppy. That's like buying a Rolls Royce. You expect everything to be perfect and of excellent quality. Is that not a fair expectation for that amount of money?

gt112 said:
Philo, I do take your point honest I do, but my point is that we are paying between €600 and €700 for this puppy. That's like buying a Rolls Royce. You expect everything to be perfect and of excellent quality. Is that not a fair expectation for that amount of money?
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Yer I guess that's true
Personally I would use the multimedia features of the phone on the move with headphones so don't really consider this a particularly important feature of the device.

no complaints, i think the speaker is very good, much better than the diamond!

gt112 said:
Philo, I do take your point honest I do, but my point is that we are paying between €600 and €700 for this puppy. That's like buying a Rolls Royce. You expect everything to be perfect and of excellent quality. Is that not a fair expectation for that amount of money?
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No sir, you're not being fair. First of all, the device is not expensive, if we're to be honest about it. My uncle paidmore than usd 10,000 for a car battery size phone years back. My first brick sized phone cost close to usd 2000. Now you have phone/gps/mp3/camera/video recorder/video player/computer/radio for a mere fraction when inflation should have pushed it to usd 70,000, but we're paying 100th of that.
Next, if you're expecting a perfect quality sound, buy an FM broadcast device and play your music over your car speaker, or wire it to your home HIFI system (which I often do), or buy a good quality headset and listen to your music in that way. The speaker on the phone is mainly for the ringtone. If it is loud enough to alert you, that's mostly enough. Don't expect AC3, or 5.1 sound coming out of that because one should never try to enjoy good music from this tiny little speaker.

Philio25 said:
Yer I guess that's true
Personally I would use the multimedia features of the phone on the move with headphones so don't really consider this a particularly important feature of the device.
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Same.
As long as it plays the ringtones loud enough for me to hear them - i'm happy.

These comparisons are hard for some of us. The Touch HD has attracted many new users to WinMo.
How does it compare to Nokia phones such as the N95, N95 8GB etc.

eaglesteve said:
Don't expect AC3, or 5.1 sound coming out of that...
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Soon.... soon it will be so And projectors too please!!!

ez2remember said:
These comparisons are hard for some of us. The Touch HD has attracted many new users to WinMo.
How does it compare to Nokia phones such as the N95, N95 8GB etc.
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Ha ha.. I don't blame you. Most of you may not be born yet when the battery size phone first emerged..
The electronic manufacturing industry is a tough and competitive one. The speed of a product becoming obsolete is frightening. A design flaw and pricing error can cause seriuos problem. The production line have to be changed all the time for new models. I have listened to a speech by the owner/ceo of the company which manufactures iPhone and have lots of respect for the continuous drives for efficiency, technology vision, and good judgement.
A sofa, table, and furniture can still sell 10 years 20 years later if there is no demand now. But an 2 MP camera that does not sell within a certain time frame is a junk that nobody wants. So, they cannot afford to charge too much and to overprice.
Sorry a little off topic. But just to make a point that HD is not really expensive. It is good value.

My first mobile made calls, received calls and featured a fantastic 1ish inch 'widescreen' mono (1 colour) lcd screen

winwiz said:
no complaints, i think the speaker is very good, much better than the diamond!
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I agree with that. The HD speaker is very good to alert me to incoming calls, and gives very good in-call volume. If I want to listen to quaity audio, I'l be putting in the headphones. The diamond has terrible volume in comparison. It's a bit of an issue, but not insurmountable. The HD, in my view, is more than fine.

Philio25 said:
My first mobile made calls, received calls and featured a fantastic 1ish inch 'widescreen' mono (1 colour) lcd screen
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Yeah my first's ultra mega new and awesome feature was receiving text messages.

Insaneboy said:
Yeah my first's ultra mega new and awesome feature was receiving text messages.
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I remember when pda's first were able to accomodate a sim card, and take calls. This was new fangled nonsense that I was completely unwilling to trust. I carried an iPaq and a seperate phone for a number of years. It wasn't until tytn that I felt that the phone ability of the combined smartphones was good enough to dispense with a dedicated phone.
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actually the SE P900 was my first smartphone where I dispensed with my ipaq (which just became a dedicated satnav). Tytn was the first WM smartphone I trusted for phone calls.

Headphones for DHD

Hi!
I just got my HTC Desire HD and I have moved from Galaxy S and one of the thing I really like is the music controller on headphones.
But I don't seem to like the stock headphones, since I have my own ones that haves this super-bass feature, then I would like to use my old ones.
Is there a headphone jack for HTC Desire HD that comes with this music controller?
I could cut off the stock headphones and do a bit soldering, but not just yet...
I have ordered from ebay a A2DP bluetooth headphone jack, but I think the battery drain is too big.
Also is there a way to disable the call function on this controller? It's kinda annoys me, because if you press really fast the "Play" button then I start calling the last person I have called.

I bought these after days of reading reviews. User reviews are very positive, so is my experience.
It just has a pick up/ hang up option or pauze/play. That will do for me.
http://www.nuforce.com/hp/products/ne7m/index.php

Looks really good, but I'm looking for this thing:
http://helmetaudio.com/khxc/media/ccp0/prodxl/CPA10-500x500.jpg
just with the music controller also.
I do have one that comes from iPhone, but it is really low quality - reduces bass.
And it is bit hard for me to control music with just one button.

i use a sony ericsson bluetooth headphone jack, with my own headphones and battery drain is nothing really only problem is the htc music player wont let you use the dolby or srs

Bestevaer said:
I bought these after days of reading reviews. User reviews are very positive, so is my experience.
It just has a pick up/ hang up option or pauze/play. That will do for me.
http://www.nuforce.com/hp/products/ne7m/index.php
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Hi fellow dutchman, can I ask where you orderd them and at what price I see the price is MSRP $49 but can only find them at much higher prices here in holland

I'm using the Phillips SHH3580, it's pretty simple with just an answer button, but the ear phone is pretty nice, price is good as well.
http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/7173081/art/philips/shh3580-in-ear-headset-bl.html

marleyb said:
Hi fellow dutchman, can I ask where you orderd them and at what price I see the price is MSRP $49 but can only find them at much higher prices here in holland
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Hy fellow dutchmen...
I ordered them for €45,- at Hifi to go in Maarsen. But they jacked up the price. Maybe look for the new version of this headset, the NE-700M. A bit more expensive, but according to the reviews better as well.
Rgds,

Bestevaer said:
Hy fellow dutchmen...
I ordered them for €45,- at Hifi to go in Maarsen. But they jacked up the price. Maybe look for the new version of this headset, the NE-700M. A bit more expensive, but according to the reviews better as well.
Rgds,
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thx mate, will check this out

@ regdude:
If you go to Bluetooth settings, and select on the screen the device you need to setup (press for 2 seconds), choose options on the new popup window, and un-check the "telephone" option, you will not have that problem again!
I actually do the opposite with my SE BT headset!

Headphones??

So, I am looking at getting some decent headphones for my 501.
I will be needing a Mic as I do Skype calls.
I will also need something with a long enough cable to have my tablet in my bag.
Also looking for something with some form of external control, to skip tracks.
I have been looking at the Klipsch s4a, which look great, but I haven't been able to find all that much online in the way of reviews, just been reading s4i reviews.
Was also thinking about the Ultimate Ears 600vi, but unsure if these will work.
I will be using these for both my 501 and my new phone, probably SGS2 or Nexus, depending on what they offer. (Undecided on what yet, as I am waiting on the outcome on an insurance job after my x10i stopped working... apparently water damage, but I am gonna tell them to stick that where the sun don't shine, but that is a different story.)
Can anyone point me at possibly something else?
Budget is between $75 and $150 ($AUD)... maybe a lil more if the quality is there.

Maybe also consider the etymotic Hf2s? Great for isolation, great general sound also.

I tried a stereo+Mic adapter and got nowhere. so either the Iconia won't take mic in on that port or it just won't do mic and stereo.

I use the Motorola hd9 they are blue-tooth and work great. They have newer models of this headset. When the ones i have now go bad i will Buy the newer version. OHH And they get up to 8 hours on a charge. Only downside is you cant use them while charging.. mine are now maybe 3 years old..

I use the Etymotic HF2, too. Really the best headphones I've ever had.

Does anyone have or tried the new joying JY-UM135N2D

Has anyone used one in person yet? Does it sound any better or worse?

I have bought it, and my opinion is that it sounds very good. But I'm not an audiophile and it's my first Joying unit so can't compare. I did have to turn off SRS and a "LOUD" option in the menus or else the bass was too booming.
But for me, it has ample quality & power for my needs.
HTH

DBestman said:
I have bought it, and my opinion is that it sounds very good. But I'm not an audiophile and it's my first Joying unit so can't compare. I did have to turn off SRS and a "LOUD" option in the menus or else the bass was too booming.
But for me, it has ample quality & power for my needs.
HTH
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Do you you happen to have some pictures with the unit motherboard?
Thank you

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Do you you happen to have some pictures with the unit motherboard?
Thank you
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Actually, yes I did take a picture. Here you go:
http://imgur.com/2d4wbLP
I will need to take the front off to replace the digitizer when I get it from Joying (Part of the touchscreen does not respond to touches). So if you need a better closeup of something, just say so.

https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73186941&postcount=12
Same internals.

pounce said:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73186941&postcount=12
Same internals.
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seeing a simple 2DIN (with standard screen) internals my intuition was correct and I think (of course I can't be 100% sure unless I will buy and motherboard and swap it myself) they lied to me because it's almost identical with the board that I am having in my unit.... so upgrading just the motherboard looks promising... but I guess time will tell.

It's the current sophia Joying with a Class-D amplifier and we can make a reasonable assumption is probably to reduce manufacturing cost. Class-D isnt new nor does it mean "audiophile". Considering all parts of the audio chain, such as preamp, DAC etc, even installing a class A amp wouldnt improve the overall quality. Dont buy into the marketing spin

Yes, but you do get more features with the new board and less heat. There are some advantages.

marchnz said:
It's the current sophia Joying with a Class-D amplifier and we can make a reasonable assumption is probably to reduce manufacturing cost. Class-D isnt new nor does it mean "audiophile". Considering all parts of the audio chain, such as preamp, DAC etc, even installing a class A amp wouldnt improve the overall quality. Dont buy into the marketing spin
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Compared with the first generation is better..... at least they FINALLY offer a decent EQ solution and given the fact that are the only ones out there doing this I applaud them.... The others still drag the same old amp chip from generation to generation like they drag the same crappy bluetooth inplementation.... Yes the quality might not be for everyone but you need to consider that they sell them for $300.....
If you want high audio quality you need to empty the wallet for at least 700$ up to 2000$
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pounce said:
Yes, but you do get more features with the new board and less heat. There are some advantages.
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Less heat generated by the amp because unfortunately the SoM still does not have a proper cooling solution and even if this generation (FYT6021) is of a tiny bit better designed it's still not good enough.

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Compared with the first generation is better..... at least they FINALLY offer a decent EQ solution and given the fact that are the only ones out there doing this I applaud them.... The others still drag the same old amp chip from generation to generation like they drag the same crappy bluetooth inplementation.... Yes the quality might not be for everyone but you need to consider that they sell them for $300.....
If you want high audio quality you need to empty the wallet for at least 700$ up to 2000$
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Generation 2? This is the same hardware with a class D amp replacing the class AB amp. Users are paying more for a unit that costs less to produce but with software that apparently sounds better. Do you realise how your comments sounds?
Let's be clear - there is nothing wrong with the stmicro class AB amp, Joyous replace it with a class D amp and save on manufacturing cost. The software could be applied to any sofia - the codec / DAC is the same.
To say "same old amp chip" is nonsense. Thanks for your opinion - also did you also realise the codec hardware is actually 3 band parameteric.
The youtube videos are pure comedy.

marchnz said:
Generation 2? This is the same hardware with a class D amp replacing the class AB amp. Users are paying more for a unit that costs less to produce but with software that apparently sounds better. Do you realise how your comments sounds?
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First of all please take a deep breath and relax, we are sharing ideas here, opinions, don't get angry or upset for nothing Also please don't use phrases like this " Do you realise how your comments sounds?" with me.... is not like I tried to convince you that our sun is flat....
No, what I meant was that first generation unit had the 5009 SoM... the second generation was quietly introduced with a slightly improved 6021 SoM and very other small modification like removing the video out ports for instance..... and now they decided to take the 6021 and work the magic with the amp. Maybe "generation" is now well put here because the changes between the models were very small but I am sure everyone gets the idea.
To be honest I did not dive into the amp details on the old units versus the new but OVERALL my impression is that the AMP/DAC solution presented in the Chinese units in the past 3 years is about the same and the sound quality is modest.
The problem is that in my car I want to be able to tune the music to my liking and all of the Chinese units have very, very poor EQ that in no way can help me achieve my goals.... The fact that the amp is class AB means nothing to me (or for most of the people that buy these units) if the sound is not good... and EVERY single Chinese unit that I've seen lack in the bass department BIG TIME no matter the EQ settings or if they use an class AB amp. The only thing that made things better was Viper4Android.
Now if they decide to put an D amplifier, so be it, as long as it sounds better and it's more customisable than the AB amplifier was that is fine by me.
You need to remember that very few people struggle to root their units to be able to install Viper4Android for better sound so choosing between an class AB amp with poor 3 band EQ and an class D amp with software EQ with lots of bands that makes the sound a lot better ... guess what everyone will prefer?
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To say "same old amp chip" is nonsense. Thanks for your opinion - also did you also realise the codec hardware is actually 3 band parameteric.
The youtube videos are pure comedy.
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I am entitled to have my opinions. You might like them or not, that depends but try not be be ironic or sarcastic.... it's not helping me one bit.
If you want to help me understand explain to me your opinion, your side of things, how do you see things and do it in a friendly manner, educate me and everyone on the matter at hand. I am sure that me and everyone will appreciate it.
Thank you

8227L Head Units? 9210S vs 9218S

Considering to buy a cheap Android head unit to replace an old Pioneer AVIC. I've seen some popular models are 9210S and 9218S. 9210S claims to have Android 10.1 with an MTK system while 9218S claims to have 8.1 and an MTK G50 system. Anyone know the hardware difference? Any reason to pick one of the other? They both look identical in appearance to 8227L head units so I'm guessing they are. 1GB/16GB enough RAM for just radio, media player, and Google Maps?
Do most of these have illuminated capacitive buttons? I read Amazon reviews for some other brands that say the buttons don't light up, but I've seen some Youtube vids where they do.

Suggest an MTCD/E first.

marchnz said:
Suggest an MTCD/E first.
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Thanks for the advice. I'm sure those are a lot better, but they're also 4-5x more expensive, or higher.

GnatGoSplat said:
Thanks for the advice. I'm sure those are a lot better, but they're also 4-5x more expensive, or higher.
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Wow, the unit you're considering must be really awful as thr MTCD/Es are buggy enough.

marchnz said:
Wow, the unit you're considering must be really awful as thr MTCD/Es are buggy enough.
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Could be, never tried one. A lot of posts in this forum are about these 8227L variants, and there are several Youtube vids where some people think they're a great buy, but others have issues. Some have issues, but can overlook them due to the price. For <$60, my expectations are fairly low.

Do not buy a 9210S. Ive bought one and the wifi is AWFUL!!!!!!!

I ended up getting the iMars A75789 w/backup cam from Banggood for $42. Its wifi does suck, but the deal killer is no basic audio controls. No fader, bass, treble. I definitely need the fader because my aftermarket speakers are different front/rear and I need to fade to the front or the rear will be too loud. I just didn't expect any car stereo at all would be lacking in those basic audio controls. That's stuff you could find on a FM-only radio from the 1970s. When I tried to return it, they offered me $20 refund which I accepted because shipping back to China is prohibitively expensive.
Yeah, these do suck. I definitely need something better.