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Better Desire HD speaker sound comparison video

I've just made a better comparison video between the Desire HD and the Nokia N95.
This time I chose different music that has a larger range of low, mid and high tones. Especially the low tones were important for this test.
As you can see the difference is quite big.
The Desire HD shows no signs of any low tones at all, only high tones at a low "crackly" quality.
Also the volume is lower, but that wouldn't have been a disaster IF there were any low tones (bass).
So in short:
-Volume too low
-Absolutely no low tones (bass)
-Sound quality is low and "crackly"
Ok, we all know that the speakers aren't good, as my previous poll has shown:
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A shocking 68% (>2 out of 3 people) is very disappointed with the speakers, but we all expected this outcome I guess...
Make no mistake, I'm not out to bash HTC, but to find a solution one must research the actual problem.
Having said this, I'm really interested in other high-end phone speaker comparisons, such as the Galaxy S, Iphone 4 and the Nokia N8.
If you have both a Desire HD and another high-end phone, please make a video of them playing the same song as I played, and post it in this thread.
The reason I want to do this, is to give HTC multiple comparisons so they can see for themselves that there is a problem with the speakers,
and that they are not acceptable for a brand new flagship phone.
Especially not when older flagship phones beat the Desire HD while it's over 3 years old...
It's such a pity, because the rest of the phone is absolutely amazingly fantastic.
Here you can find the track I used: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPoQsOBzlgQ

I guess this may seem really stupid but I read somewhere about someone attempting to switch the speakers over to the one found in their HD2 as it apparently performs a little better. I haven't received mine yet but I would have no issue in switching the speaker over if it is possible. Anyone had any thoughts on this such as where to get a good replacement speaker and how hard it might be to actually do the swap?

Desire HD vs Samsung i8910HD speaker comparison.
Desire HD vs Samsung i8910HD speaker comparison.
At the time the i8919HD came out, it was considered to be a pretty good phone, but not for long.
Also in this case, the Desire HD loses.

I'm not surprise with the result at all, both the N95 and I8910 have 2 speakers that are on the sides of the while while the DHD has only on speaker at the back of the phone. Both N95 and I8910 are also symbian in which you can access the hardware setup to tweak the loudness of the speaker.
However, to be fair to the DHD, I would wanna see comparison with other phones that have only 1 speaker and are android-based.

nmyseteroious said:
I'm not surprise with the result at all, both the N95 and I8910 have 2 speakers that are on the sides of the while while the DHD has only on speaker at the back of the phone. Both N95 and I8910 are also symbian in which you can access the hardware setup to tweak the loudness of the speaker.
However, to be fair to the DHD, I would wanna see comparison with other phones that have only 1 speaker and are android-based.
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Actually, I believe the DHD does have 2 speakers. It seems to have another one in the earpiece.
As I think it's still is fair because when I block 1 speaker on the N95, it still really outperforms the DHD.
Also, if the speaker would produce low tones, I'm sure it would have performed a lot better.
It's annoyingly high pitched, almost as if you're sitting next to someone who has their headphones or earplugs in playing very loud music....

I don't know, but it is as if every device is made with some kind of shortcoming. By now, after using many devices over the years, I tend to conclude that it is a shameless marketing thing. Producers know that users of high end, state of the art devices will keep looking for the best, so they will continu to make almost the best, just to make a better one after 6 months or so.

YumYumHD said:
Desire HD vs Samsung i8910HD speaker comparison.
At the time the i8919HD came out, it was considered to be a pretty good phone, but not for long.
Also in this case, the Desire HD loses.
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what song was used for that comparison?

SupremeBeaver said:
what song was used for that comparison?
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i think its 'netsky - iron heart'

appelflap said:
I don't know, but it is as if every device is made with some kind of shortcoming. By now, after using many devices over the years, I tend to conclude that it is a shameless marketing thing. Producers know that users of high end, state of the art devices will keep looking for the best, so they will continu to make almost the best, just to make a better one after 6 months or so.
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What you have just stated is a fact, and it's called planned obsolescence.
If you want to know more about these things, watch the documentary Zeitgeist Addendum here, or watch and download here.
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what song was used for that comparison?
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If you would have read the startpost, you would have known.

hmm i don't seem to see it in the startpost yumyum??
thanks noobdeagle!

It's on the bottom of the 1st post, it's a youtube link.

YumYumHD said:
Make no mistake, I'm not out to bash HTC, but to find a solution one must research the actual problem.
Having said this, I'm really interested in other high-end phone speaker comparisons, such as the Galaxy S, Iphone 4 and the Nokia N8.
If you have both a Desire HD and another high-end phone, please make a video of them playing the same song as I played, and post it in this thread.
The reason I want to do this, is to give HTC multiple comparisons so they can see for themselves that there is a problem with the speakers,
and that they are not acceptable for a brand new flagship phone.
Especially not when older flagship phones beat the Desire HD while it's over 3 years old...
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I don't want to bash HTC too considering that I'm really appreciative of some of their older phones. But I'm quite disappointed with the fact that HTC either did very poor product testing or market survey for DHD, or they deliberately dumbed it down to save cost and maximise profit. I hate thinking that about them, but the battery, the external speaker, the ill-fitting and poorly-designed covers, the mis-alignment issues... just really feels like cost-cutting measures; really disappointing.

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YumYumHD said:
Actually, I believe the DHD does have 2 speakers. It seems to have another one in the earpiece.
As I think it's still is fair because when I block 1 speaker on the N95, it still really outperforms the DHD.
Also, if the speaker would produce low tones, I'm sure it would have performed a lot better.
It's annoyingly high pitched, almost as if you're sitting next to someone who has their headphones or earplugs in playing very loud music....
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[Q] Help with volume please?

So far, my MT4G is close to being the perfect phone but I'm just about to go back to my Blackberry 9700, why? Because I can't hear the damn thing!
So far, in the week I've owned it I've missed every call because I can't hear it ring (yes, I've tried different ring tones and the volume is set to max,) when I watch a YouTube video the volume is way too low, playing music w/o the earphones is just barely OK. I can hear a phone conversation OK but I'd like it a little louder.
I'll admit to being hearing impaired but I have no volume problems on any other phone I've used in the past (except Samsung all of those I've owned have given me equal problems) this is NOT an HTC problem, volume was fine on MT3G and HD2, it's only the MT4G that I can't hear.
Please help, this is the first phone I've had in years that's close to perfect for me if I could only hear it....

Please post questions in Q&A section.

Anybody? I'm really hoping I'll be able to keep this phone but I have to be able to hear it!

xs11e said:
Anybody? I'm really hoping I'll be able to keep this phone but I have to be able to hear it!
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I too had a BB 9700 and the volume was fine. I started off with the same issue with the MT4G. I simply chose a ringtone that had better volume properties and all is fine now.
You said you've tried different ringtones. I actually extracted the ringtones off the BB 9700 and use one of them for my phone ringtone and it is plenty loud. Try that.
I use the Ringer_BBpro_2 ringtone.
I've attached the BB preloaded ringtones.

Thanks, I've found a ringtone that's a bit better, it's the T-Jingle! Wanna bet they did that on purpose?
Went to the T-Mo store today, tried another MT4G, it's volume is the same so it's apparently a problem with the phone? I like the phone so much I'm gonna learn to live with it!

There is an app in the market that boosts the volume for everything. but its only a 7 day trial. so its not free. it works, almost blew my eardrums out with the headphones. Some reason it breaks FM radio tho

dkdontforget said:
There is an app in the market that boosts the volume for everything. but its only a 7 day trial. so its not free. it works, almost blew my eardrums out with the headphones. Some reason it breaks FM radio tho
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Would be nice if you make a reference to an app to at the very least give the name of it.
JMHO

CBConsultation said:
Would be nice if you make a reference to an app to at the very least give the name of it.
JMHO
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Hey CBC I used that app before and can't remember what it's called now. But anyway that app only works for headphones. It's supposed to remove the volume limit when you're plugged in with your headset.
Won't affect ringer volume.
And I'm not using it anymore cause it didn't really have a significant difference.
I'll update when I remember what that app is called.
Also have you tried settings>sound> check box for "pocket mode"?

nguyendqh said:
Also have you tried settings>sound> check box for "pocket mode"?
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Don't know if that was meant for me but I have no problems with my volume. My sound is awesome. I make my own ringtones and they are plenty loud.
As far as the name of the app; I was only asking so that other members who are watching this thread would know instead of scratching their heads.

volume unlock app
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Thanks to all who responded.
I don't use the headphones so the app probably wouldn't help, certainly not with ringtones.
I have the phone set to "Pocket Mode."
I suppose I'll eventually learn to live with it, this AM I used the alarm clock feature and it woke me up so that part has enough volume.

Oh sorry about that. Thought i mentioned the app. Its what was said above volume unlock(er)
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CBConsultation said:
Would be nice if you make a reference to an app to at the very least give the name of it.
JMHO
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Yo CB, I'm sure he's talking about this. But read it..
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Yeah CBC that wasn't meant for you. I was just talking to you for some weird reason. My bad.

I was mentioning this one
Hmm for some reason the pic is horrible. Not sure why
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dkdontforget said:
I was mentioning this one
Hmm for some reason the pic is horrible. Not sure why
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that's just for headphones

Sound Quality

I haven't really seen any detailed accounts of the sound quality; both through some decent cans and external speaker(s).
What say you? Those of you that have used headphones whilst playing with your nexus 7, what do you think of the sound quality?
What about the external speakers? I am not expecting bass, but what does it offer in terms of clarity?
Thanks for playing!!

from http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/07/05/nexus-7-review-the-android-tablet-rebooted/
Audio from the headphone jack on the Nexus 7 is pretty crappy. I don't expect much from a budget device like this, and the Nexus 7 doesn't deliver much. Music sounded quiet, muted, and lacked a lot of dynamic range (almost no bass or highs). Given that this is probably the DAC (digital to analog converter) and headphone amp NVIDIA recommends for its Kai platform, that isn't too surprising. For the casual $30-earbud and Pandora listener, it's not unbearable. And if you're using Bluetooth audio output, it sounds considerably better.
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I was mainly wondering if anyone personally had anything to say about it. I have read both good and bad about the sound in reviews. GuessI will wait till I receive it.
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sound from electronics is always a funny one what sounds good to one person, sounds terrible to another we will just have to wait and see(hear) =(

i'm confused about the sound from the headphone jack being bad.
Now i don't claim to know much about audio stuff but i've used around 10 different devices in my life with headphones and i've never noticed any difference between them.
So how does the headphone jack have crappy audio.

Sound is fair from the speaker. Its not loud either. Don't expect to rock out using the speaker either.
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Get yourself a $59 iHome Bluetooth speaker. Big sound from a little package. Its about the size of a 20oz bottled water.
http://www.ihomeaudio.com/iDM12BX/
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I am worried too...can someone do a test? Or video?

If you guys expect audiophile quality from a $200 tablet your buying the wrong product.

fixyourtech said:
If you guys expect audiophile quality from a $200 tablet your buying the wrong product.
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Audiophile, no. At least matching the $100 Nokias, yes.
Clean flat output isn't difficult to achieve, rather soft than bad.

Michael_W_L said:
Audiophile, no. At least matching the $100 Nokias, yes.
Clean flat output isn't difficult to achieve, rather soft than bad.
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I agree, I am definitely not expecting Cowon quality. I would like to at least be able to enjoy music with a decent set of cans. If it can match my $40 sansa fuze, i will be happy!
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fixyourtech said:
If you guys expect audiophile quality from a $200 tablet your buying the wrong product.
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We have a Quadcore, and a Super Display, which are both beyond 200 dollars, asking for at LEAST Standard good quality is completely acceptable.

woundedworld said:
I agree, I am definitely not expecting Cowon quality. I would like to at least be able to enjoy music with a decent set of cans. If it can match my $40 sansa fuze, i will be happy!
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Sansas actually have pretty good quality.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Nexus 7 has worse sound quality than the fuze.

I don't expect great quality from the speakers.
What worries me is that android police says the headphone jack quality is terrible, and i don't understand how that can be.

neok44 said:
I don't expect great quality from the speakers.
What worries me is that android police says the headphone jack quality is terrible, and i don't understand how that can be.
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I don't get that either. I just need some decent speakers that don't sound like an autobot, and maybe decent headphone output for when I use it.

We need someone who has one to show a video on it!

looks like Beats Audio and Voodoo Sound needs to be ported over. we need Matr1x kernel

want to bump this because i know others as well as myself are still confused as to how the audio from the headphone jack can be bad.

CooLoserTech said:
looks like Beats Audio and Voodoo Sound needs to be ported over. we need Matr1x kernel
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Yeah, if it's only a software issue, then my fears are resolved. There are great people with great minds here, who work hard to allow us to enjoy our devices to the fullest.

You cannot fix a bad DAC with SOFTWARE. Beats is a joke, its just an equalizer essentially.
This bad DAC rumor is seriously making me consider cancelling my order. Almost all devices now have a good DAC in them recently, for Google to put in a bad one is shocking.
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Time to panic; the optimus 4x is also a plain jane Tegra3 device and gsmarena has similar complaints as android police about the N7:
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_4x_hd_p880_review-review-780p5.php scroll to the bottom. GSMArena is one of few review sites that tests audio output with objective measures. Sadly they dont do tablet reviews.

What headphones do you use?

So what headphones do you use guys? I was using the nexus s headphones for my note ii but they are broken now.

I tried many high cost ear phones and headphones...
But according to my ears, sinnhheiser Px80 is best as well as in cost too...
its around Rs.2000 INR
I bought from apple store...
Acc. To me buying more costly head phones have not much benefit as their price...
U should check before buying..

I have the px-100ii Sennheisers. Quite similar to the px-80 in that they are also foldable and open cup design. They are also affordable and provide very good sound for the price. I definitely recommend them.
Sent from the mighty Note II.

Im using apples latest earpods.. good enough for me and stylish tbh xP
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Currently using beats solo hd's in navy blue...very good, good bass and clear vocals, previously had sennheiser hd 25's they had crystal clear vocals but not much bass and seen as though most of my music is bass filled i had to opt for the beats solo hd's
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Razer Moray+

LG HBS 730 TONE+ APTX techn.
stereo bluetooth amazing sound and music responce.

I know everyone is against this.
Beats by dre Studio's. I know it's kinda a wagon hop. But I gotta say they're really good!

Midnight coloured Bass Buds
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I have to say I prefer to just enjoy the silence....
...but for conversations, I use a Jawbone Icon HD....
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Audio-Technica M50
http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-M50-Professional-Monitor-Headphones/dp/B000ULAP4U

sennheiser hd202..........nice ones, good bass........and they are cheap

Klipsch M40s. Very comfortable memory foam especially after they are broke in. Independent 40mm bass driver and 15mm tweeter. Combined with Perseus kernel, I couldn't enjoy my sound quality anymore.

Beats solo hd..amazing sound.
Posted from Windows 98 running on Macbook

try V-MODA M-100, best!

Brainwavz M5

dr.m0x said:
I have the px-100ii Sennheisers. Quite similar to the px-80 in that they are also foldable and open cup design. They are also affordable and provide very good sound for the price. I definitely recommend them.
Sent from the mighty Note II.
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Another px100ii user, am thinking about making a mod to use oem Samsung earphones cable on my Sennheisers, for volume up and down, microphone and call button, the problem is, they are white doesn't match with black headphones, but i have a better idea which is to add a female plug to Samsung remote and use the px100ii with it original cable.
Am good with electronics.
Best regards
Sifou
Using a Samsung N7100
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xartic12 said:
Klipsch M40s. Very comfortable memory foam especially after they are broke in. Independent 40mm bass driver and 15mm tweeter. Combined with Perseus kernel, I couldn't enjoy my sound quality anymore.
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Dude, how do you enjoy a 40mm headphone outdoors! It's like wearing a helmet?
Best regards
Sifou
Using a Samsung N7100

dannejanne said:
Audio-Technica M50
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I have those too but only for indoor only, way too big to carry around. For my phone I use in-ear Sennheiser EI80 (adjustable bass). They are the best price/quality earphone on the market. I know not everyone like in-ear earphone, but if you do they re amazing. The only other that can compete with them are the Klipsh S4, but they are not as noise reducing as the EI80.

I'm a real audiophile and I use senheisser SE425 inears. It's quite good. I have to say the stock Samsung headphones are not so bad also. They have decent bass and high frequencies.
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benno4403 said:
I'm a real audiophile and I use senheisser SE425 inears. It's quite good. I have to say the stock Samsung headphones are not so bad also. They have decent bass and high frequencies.
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Senheisser SE425 doesn't exist, don't you mean Shure SE425?

Should I buy S4, and when?

I am thinking of upgrading from HTC Desire. I was thinking about S3, but apparently it uses closed-source chips, which makes it a pain for developers. And I am only using custom roms, so that is important to me.
So I have been advised to take a look at S4, I9505 flavour. Is there something bad about it I should know before I get one?
Also, would it be better to get the Active version (I9295)?
What I need is:
- big screen, with good in-sun legibility
- good battery life
- good audio output quality on headphones, and fairly loud loudspeaker
- extendible memory
- very good support of third-party roms
Another question is when to buy it? Is there going to be a price drop in the near future, or is it pointless to delay the purchase by few weeks?

No. Never.

Yes. Immediately.

HTC One? Codeworkx is using it.
Do take note that S4 internal memory is only ~9 GB.
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may be yes or may be no.
up to you!
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impactor said:
I am thinking of upgrading from HTC Desire. I was thinking about S3, but apparently it uses closed-source chips, which makes it a pain for developers. And I am only using custom roms, so that is important to me.
So I have been advised to take a look at S4, I9505 flavour. Is there something bad about it I should know before I get one?
Also, would it be better to get the Active version (I9295)?
What I need is:
- big screen, with good in-sun legibility
- good battery life
- good audio output quality on headphones, and fairly loud loudspeaker
- extendible memory
- very good support of third-party roms
Another question is when to buy it? Is there going to be a price drop in the near future, or is it pointless to delay the purchase by few weeks?
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The gs4 has a decent size screen not too big where you have to use two hands which I love about that. But using it in the sunlight is horrible and makes me think about getting rid of it. I'm in SoCal and its sunny everyday. It has a really good battery life I've seen people go well over 17 hours. Good audio but compared to the HTC one its okay but the HTC has beats built in which is given for it to have better sound quality. Yes extendible memory up to 64g SD card. Depending on what firmware your on, what carrier your on it does have decent ROM support. They're working on a safestrap boot which you can dual boot for vzw and than maybe port to other carriers. They're selling refurbished ones for a little cheaper if you want a slightly used one. if you want a new one they might price drop it when the note 3 comes out next month but I'm thinking it'll have the latest firmware on it.
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Yes!
Yeah you should buy S4. Every point accounts for it other than the last one. I9505 has lot of ROMs though.

@hovax615, thanks for the first real answer to my question.
[email protected] said:
using it in the sunlight is horrible and makes me think about getting rid of it. I'm in SoCal and its sunny everyday.
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I am in South of France so that is also a problem. Is that worse than in S3?
[email protected] said:
It has a really good battery life I've seen people go well over 17 hours.
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Well, it is not much of a measure for me because I suppose you are talking about constant heavy use. I have HTC Desire and it lasts me between 24 and 48 hours, with light-moderate use. I would like to go upwards from there, not downwards.
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Good audio but compared to the HTC one its okay but the HTC has beats built in which is given for it to have better sound quality.
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Beats is just modification of the EQ, I don't care for that nor do I think it is an improvement, rather than deterioration of the music.
But anyway, are you talking about speaker or headphone output? I am interested in quality of the headphone output (for music), and loudness/clarity of the speaker output (for podcasts/radio auditions composed of talking only).

It is the best phone I had
Changed like 20 android phones and all I phones
Go for it
GT-I9505

impactor said:
@hovax615, thanks for the first real answer to my question.
I am in South of France so that is also a problem. Is that worse than in S3?
Well, it is not much of a measure for me because I suppose you are talking about constant heavy use. I have HTC Desire and it lasts me between 24 and 48 hours, with light-moderate use. I would like to go upwards from there, not downwards.
Beats is just modification of the EQ, I don't care for that nor do I think it is an improvement, rather than deterioration of the music.
But anyway, are you talking about speaker or headphone output? I am interested in quality of the headphone output (for music), and loudness/clarity of the speaker output (for podcasts/radio auditions composed of talking only).
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I mean I keep my screen brightness low also but sometimes its hard in direct sunlight to read. I don't know with screen on full brightness because I've never tried it before. But its a great phone overall.
Yeah. There's a page where everyone posts they're battery stats and there's some that get really great battery past 24 hours up to 48. If you have a. International version its not going to be bloated like the american versions less apps taking up space and ram.
It has really great sound output from phone speakers, its loud enough to play at a get together and hear it comfortably. Headphone volume is pretty good I think I liked my iPhone headphone volume better though but they have tweaks and modifications for the system to make it louder you just have to root your device. But I listen to my music volume all the way up. Th basic heaphones that come with the phone has great quality and clarity also the iphone headphones connected to this device is great also. Right now I have my beats audio studio version headphones connected and its really good no static from it good loud and clear quality. Some headphones aren't compatible and will have static noise. Also connected to a car, I had my phone connected to a 2013 BMW 328i and its really good sound quality, but I had it connected via aux cable so I was kind of battling that static noise but when I found the right position and the static was gone it was great.
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I'm fortunate to have access to a fair few android phones and I use this one as my personal day to day device. I love it. Had a desire back in the day and I have that same wow factor all over again.
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