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WM5 Memory Question

Hi there, a rant a question, but i will try and keep it brief,
First me rant, why oh why when an ipod can carry 40gig of data in its tiny little space, have HTC not taken the concept behind their Hard Drive systems, I would NOT complain for a second if my pda got half a cm or a cm thicker but gained a gig memory, or more,
And question, I use a Hymalaya, (m1000) i have been interested in the Universal and the WM5 upgrade, My sister has just got one and i have had an explore of hers, whats with the 44meg for programs, i struggle with the xda getting over clogged, is this a problem for the Universal, i can only see that iam going to be more limited to what i can install on the Universal than iam on the hymalaya, this has stopped me upgrading,
Looking to confirm if iam right or seriously needing to revise more.
Thanks Guys, sorry the brief idea went,

OK, for a start, an Ipod uses a mini harddrive, which would NOT be suitable for a PPC (in my opinion, its not suitable for a music player) as they are so fragile. Also, a hard drive chews power, alot more than flash memory.
The approach adopted with most PPCs is to use an exteral storage card, which you install your programs onto.
WM5 uses a different method of storing data to previous versions. It uses RAM to run programs, and it uses ROM for persistent storage (e.g. installed programs).
My advice, get yourself a 1gb sd card (~£42) and install your programs onto that.

I have got a 1gig SD in my M1000, but have refused to install programs to the sd card because of crashing it its removed, (sdio wifi card in use as well) and the time factor for the device to have to access the sd card for system files,
take it this is the way forward for the wm5 devices
Yeah have to agree with you on the ipod thing, like i say, was just a rant, coincidentially, less than 10 minutes after a hard reset cos it all got a bit much for it,
Think iam going to try installing to the mmc card and see how stable it is,
Thanks heliosfa

problem with mini sd card

bought a new 512mb Kingston Mini sd card . I cannot seem to transfer anything to it. Both my PC and the Wizard `see' the card and register the correct size but I cannot transfer anything to it. Any help appreciated. I read somewhere you need to format a new card on the wizard ??? how do I do this
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you can use StorageTools

Hi Pat thanks for the reply.
What is the executable file you suggest ? is it for using on my PC or the wizard? whats the method ?cheers

its the desktop instalation of storage tools.
http://www.softwinter.com/storagetools.html
download link - http://www.softwinter.com/download.html
Its just pat hotlinked the exe file

yes, sorry. My post could have been a bit more explicit. By the way, what do you mean when you say you can't transfer anything to your card?
Is it just using ActiveSync or did you try your card on your PC with a card reader? If you do have a card reader then you don't really need storagetools . Just format it on your PC and it should be allright.
Another solution is to get WM5Storage (see this post) It will turn your Wizard into a USB drive so that you can copy files without the hassle of activesync or play music files on the card from the desktop, and since it will be seen as a usb drive...format it!
The guy who came up with WM5storage is a genius, I had been looking for this kinf of software ever since I had my fisrt smartphone years ago
Good luck

Hi Pat thanks thats brilliant.
I use a USB reader for the card but it is placed into a SD holder first because my 7:1 PC reader doesn't accept mini SD .
I can see the card and it registers the correct size 512Mb It seems to be accepting drag n drop in explorer and I can see the burn led writing to the card.
When I put it in the wizard it registers the card and offers to find the files so far so good. It then sees the files and transfers them to `libray'?but they don't show up in either the wizard's explorer or win media ?

well that was an interesting 15 minutes :shock:
Clicked on the link Danny gave and got a lockup followed by a BSOD from which the only escape was pull the power lead and reboot. I would advise anyone to treat with caution.

Hello again peanut!
You mean that just by clicking on a the link you got a BSOD? Amazing!
Back to your SD Card, have you tried 3rd party file explorer such as gsfinder (my favorite) or resco explorer to see if they access your card properly? And also try TCMP instead of WMP. For one, it's much better anyway and I've read somewhere (here I guess) that some people had trouble getting WMP to "see" their media files on the SD. Anyway, I guess it would be a good idea to reformat you card in either FAT32 or FAT16 with 512 bytes cluster so as to waste the minimum amount of storage

It may be related to a prolem I have periodically with firefox not loading . Ithink zone alarm is involved as well so I may need to re-install the lot
thanks for the suggestion about TCMP and yes I'll try a fresh format see what happens cheers

The link in my post was found by right clicking Pat12's link and looking at the URL.
All the links are from the same website and i seriously doubt anything is wrong with any of them, check your firewall as it can interupt file transfers and cause things to hang.

My mini sd card and my friends weren't working for banana's. untill i formatted them on the pc unsing a card reader. now they work fine.
never found out why the cards weren't correctly formatted to start with, guess i'm not bothered as they work great. they were also kingstons

thanks for your input RJ webb I'll try a re-format.
Danny your link is fine it was probably my zone alrm plus the drive had gone to sleep lol no blame mate just thanks for your help

Is it a branded card, where did you get it from?
I bought a 2gb unbranded one and it sometimes doesn't show up in the device, and sometimes corrupts the data on the card - so I assume its faulty/dodgy.
I've ordered a sandisk one to replace it with, hope that one works better.

Hi Scotland its a Kingston card I bought off ebay. Probably a crap card knowing my luck. I'll try re-formatting it on another computer maybe that will help.

peanut said:
bought a new 512mb Kingston Mini sd card . I cannot seem to transfer anything to it. Both my PC and the Wizard `see' the card and register the correct size but I cannot transfer anything to it. Any help appreciated. I read somewhere you need to format a new card on the wizard ??? how do I do this
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I hate to ask the obvious, but is it locked with the little switch?

ha ha not so obvious actually because it was at first before I noticed it had a lock the other day. Thanks for the suggestion

Cannot See My Mini Sd Card!?!?!?!?!

I went out and bought a 2 gig mini sd card hoping to use it on my mda. when I put it in it seemed to work fine and I put some music on it and was listening to it. The next day I decided to put alot more music onto it and in the middle of transferring the music I had tried one of the songs and it worked fine.
Right when it finished I checked my phone and I couldnt see any of the files. It did say that there was a memory card in and that there was memory used on it but I could not see any files. I did a soft reset and when it was back up it said that I needed to format the card, so I did. Because everything was deleted I tried to load more music back on and it didn't let me because of some access violation.
When I went back to my phone I couldnt see the memory card at all. I did a few resets and took the thing out and it still wouldn't show up. I searched the forums and I found people with similar problems but no answers. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Happen to me
I bought the 1GB Sandisk MiniSD card and it worked for about 3 months...just before a long vacation I was dumping many MP3s to the card and....BOOM....the card disappeared from the phone...
Better yet the card wouldnt even recognize in my desktop pc (with the adapter of course). I actually had to exchange the card for it to work again.

thank you for your help! just to be sure I understand, you do not think its a problem with my wizard?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1064201&posted=1

[Q] Music Transfer Problems

I purchased a Samsung GT-I5801 Android phone and a 32GB micro sdhc card. My goal was to use it as a smart phone and an mp3 player; essentially as an iphone at a fraction of the price. The phone works great and the android apps are fun, but the mp3 player functionality has eluded me. I have about 20GB of music and I can’t get it onto the card and/or into the phone.
I have tried transferring the data directly onto the card in two different laptops (both running windows xp sp3-hotfixed to recognize high capacity sdhc cards). Both computers can see the cards and recognize them as 32GB cards. I can transfer files back and forth from the card. I have used windows explorer to transfer the files as well as other programs: Windows Media Player, Media Monkey, FreeFileSync, Doubletwist, Winamp, and Samsung Keis.
I have also tried transferring the music to the phone with the card installed in the phone. I have tried this via all the above programs, including wirelessly transferring via Winamp. The process either stops and/or fails unexpectedly (twice producing the blue screen of death) or appears to complete successfully but turns out to only produce 2GB of music on the card while showing 20GB of space used on the card. The entire file structure for the music files is there but most of the files are empty even though the transfer process shows that they should be there. Then, when I remove and install the card again, the 18GB of space is freed up again to show that only 2GB (or less) of music is there. It is not always the same 2GB of music either. It seems random as to what files are transferred.
I have done a factory reset on the phone twice to make sure that it’s not the corrupted music database on the phone that is preventing all the music being recognized. I have also reformatted the card 3 times during this process. I have tried the following usb connections settings options in the phone: Keis, media player, and mass storage. I have also tried with usb debugging turned on and turned off.
I have a couple of questions:
1- Has anyone else had similar problems and how did you solve it?
2- Is there a maximum file limit per directory, or for music in general?
I’m at the end of my rope here, and am starting to wonder if the money I’ve saved by not buying an Iphone is worth the time and aggravation of this process. I have never posted a question on a tech forum before, but I’m desperate after spending a couple of weeks trying to solve this on my own.

you laptops sd reader is not sdhc Compatibility
try format card in you phone

dstewart said:
I purchased a Samsung GT-I5801 Android phone and a 32GB micro sdhc card. My goal was to use it as a smart phone and an mp3 player; essentially as an iphone at a fraction of the price. The phone works great and the android apps are fun, but the mp3 player functionality has eluded me. I have about 20GB of music and I can’t get it onto the card and/or into the phone.
I’m at the end of my rope here, and am starting to wonder if the money I’ve saved by not buying an Iphone is worth the time and aggravation of this process. I have never posted a question on a tech forum before, but I’m desperate after spending a couple of weeks trying to solve this on my own.
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is the card working on your friends phone? you must have atleast one guy who has a mobile which supports 32 gb card transfer all the music you want and see if all songs are detected in that mobile or not, if not your memory card is defective otherwise there is problem in your mobile.

Thank you for your reply. According to the specs on my netbook (Samsung NP-NC10) the reader is sdhc compatible. I have ordered an usb sdhc card reader to test the theory. I'll let you know how that works. I have formatted the card at least 3 times in my phone and have tried to transfer files with the card installed in my phone via the supplied usb connection cable. I have the same results.

Am I right in assuming that if my phone and sdhc card are working properly then I should have no problems transferring a large amount of music?
Has anyone else transfered 20GB of music to their Android and had success using it as an mp3 player?

have you test your 32gb sd card is real 32gb?
try hdtune or other tools like in windows ,or try full format in windows ?
if windows is hang ,over 2gb is can't read and write ...
i think you sd is fake card ..

Thank you for your suggestion to use hdtune. I tested my card with hdtune pro and it is a 32gb card that is healthy and has no errors.
I guess this means that I have a bad mobile? I wonder about transfering all my files again and then trying a factory reset on the phone.
I have not considered rooting the phone as I am new to this, but would that be a potential solution for this problem?

is in hdtune error scan ,full scan 32gb is not error?
sd card and card reader in phone is very Weak..

Update on progress
I have now checked the card using hdtune and reformatted it twice. hdtune detected no errors at any time.
I also purchased a usb sdhc card reader specifically. Just in case my built in readers were malfunctioning, but that has not solved the problem either.
I can transfer the files to the card. I can even read and access the files on the card on my computer. However, when I put the card into the phone, but files are not there, and the file folders are empty. Then, when I put the card back into my computer the files are gone.
I found this link on another forum with the same problem. While it is comforting to know that I am not the only one with this problem, I am still looking for a solution. Has anyone found one?

Found the problem!
I downloaded the H2test and used it to test my card. hdtune and windows did not discover the problems with the card, but this program did.
Apparently I purchased a 2gb card that was labeled as a 32gb card. The packaging and printing on the card all look like a legitimate Kingston class 4 32 gb sd card, but the actual card only has 2 gb capacity.
Apparently, the card tricked my windows computers by writing an index for all of the files I was transferring but only actually transferring up to 2 gb of data. That is why I could read some of the files on my phone, but not others.
If you are having similar problems, I would highly recommend this program!
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Miscellaneous/H2testw.shtml
Thanks to all who tried to help me, your suggestions were very helpful!

so the card is fake 32gb but only have 2gb.why hdtune error full scan can not find it?

thinking of switching from android, couple of questions on the focus (and wp7)

tired of syncing phone to google to live to windows 7 for my calendar and contacts, then using windows for my daily use, but needing linux to modify, compile and decompile android apps and what not. would like to stream line my life a little.
my main concerns are bluetooth, navigation and media/sd card.
i use a jabra sp700 in car bluetooth device for phone and media while driving. how well does the focus connect and remember bt devices? my current phone, i have to switch on bt, wait like 1 minute, then switch on my bt device, otherwise, it won't connect for some odd reason.
navigation, i see that bing has navigation now, however, every video and review i've seen is it's just the top down view, which is ok, however, it also looks as though everyone is zoomed way out. can you zoom in more to see/read cross roads? is there works (or does anyone know of any upcoming updates) for a true turn by turn navigation like google's navigation?
sd card, i see the approved list, but i have an HP 8gb card, not that i care if i could use it or not since the focus has 8gb internal and i've never needed more than 7gb on my phone. however, can you use both the internal memory and sd card at the same time? ie have some stuff internal and some external?
in call volume? how is it? not really concerned with quality since i grew up in a time with rotary dial phones. just need it loud enough to hear in louder than normal areas.
oh, and apps. my past experience with windows phones was that there were no decent apps for free. hows that with wp7? right now i have angrybirds and pulse news reader, which are the apps i used most throughout the day (yes, i know no ab on wp7 yet). but are there other apps that are worth using that are free?
photos, current phone has 8.1mp camera that takes decent photos as long as lighting is perfect. how's the quality of the focus'?

About navigation,
I think there is a turn by turn Nav App called A to B, still kind of basic, but usable.
Bing map is detailed in US, you can see the crossroads.
About SD card,
There is no guarentee unless you test it. And once the SD card is integrated into the internal storange, currently the only way to format it is to use a Nokia phone.
Call volume is fine for me. Camera is also fine, LED flash is present this time.
Most games are not free, usually 2-6USD. Other than that there are many free decent News apps.

when you say integrated as in the sd card, does that mean if i put in an 8gb card, i would have 16gb? or 8gb total?

svtfmook said:
when you say integrated as in the sd card, does that mean if i put in an 8gb card, i would have 16gb? or 8gb total?
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You are going to get 16G.
If you put the SD card into the phone, the card will be part of the internal storange and you cannot different the original storange and your SDcard inside the system.