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Hi Guys,
Like most of you I own a Iconia500 and I've tested a lot of ROM available on this forum. But hard to decide wich one to go with. the processing power is not all and the fluidity of the interface and the browsing are a lot more important to me.
So I've decided to test 6 Roms available on the forum with this:
Test protocol:
Fresh install
setcpu installed and locked to 1000Mhz
reboot and launch of the test
Here are the results:
Score 974 - ROM: Minimalist 3.1
Score 961 - ROM: Taboonay 1.0.6
Score 961 - ROM: Virtuous Thrive 1.0.1
Score 960 - ROM: HoneyVillain 1.04
Score 954 - ROM: Acer Stock Rom
Score 948 - ROM: Virtuous Picasso 1.1.0
Score 945 - ROM: Lightspeed 1.0
Score 940 - ROM: Virtuous Galaxy 1.0.5
Score 848 - ROM: Virtuous Xoom 1.1.2
I hope if helps,
Peace
and stock score ?
I got 954
sanaell said:
and stock score ?
I got 954
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Thanks, table updated.
Interesting tool, thanks for sharing. I get what you are after by comparing all ROMs at 1.0GHz, but don't forget that the more processing power you have (i.e. overclocking), the better your fluidity and browsing experience will be on any given ROM. I just ran a quick and dirty test (didn't reboot or anything) on my customized stock ROM with a 1.5GHz OC kernel with the "On Demand" governor (I used No-frills CPU control) and scored a 1222 with all bars being thicker than when running at 1.0GHz. Without overclocking I scored a 971. Even the stock kernel frequency tables are setup to be able to be OC'ed at 1.2GHz....so don't be afraid to goose that CPU a bit to get that tegra 2 performance you paid$ for
but OC = more power = less battery...
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but OC = more power = less battery...
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Yes, but only when you are using it...after the web page has loaded the cpu scales frequency back down if you are setup properly. It really depends on how you use your tablet, but I don't notice much difference at all in battery life the way I use mine (web browsing with flash, email, occasional movies and games). I still have to charge it every night either way after 6-8hrs of heavy use. The screen takes far more battery than anything else...live wallpaper would likely take more battery per charge cycle than an on demand [email protected] depending on how you use your tablet. IMHO, OC'ing to 1.2GHz is a no-brainer unless you are one of those guys on the road that needs to get every minute of life out of it. If that is what you need, then the iconia probably wasn't the best tablet to buy. After you OC, it's hard to go back as flash/web pages etc. load quite a bit faster as shown by the benchmark test.
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IMHO, OC'ing to 1.2GHz is a no-brainer
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I disagree. I didn't notice enough of a difference to warrant the loss in battery. I rarely even play any games and the games I play already run at 30 fps without OC so why the need to OC at all?
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I disagree. I didn't notice enough of a difference to warrant the loss in battery. I rarely even play any games and the games I play already run at 30 fps without OC so why the need to OC at all?
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Battery drain would depend on which kernel and governor you used and how you use your tablet. Some kernel sources I have studied have their OC current set higher than is necessary. The one posted by Richard Trip/Roggin is very reasonable by default and you can even adjust uV by frequency to improve battery usage. The games you mention are likely using the tegra GPU/hardware, so the OC won't help you a bit there. I noticed the performance the most with flash loading on web pages. Give me a little more power on demand and I am a happy camper. If you really need that extra few minutes of battery, then I can understand. But, think about it...if you are browsing a lot, you can do more within a shorter period of time so it all comes out the same in the end.
I did a comparison @ same frequency to be a base for real comparison, you can overclock or use custom kernel, still, it is just a base
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But, think about it...if you are browsing a lot, you can do more within a shorter period of time so it all comes out the same in the end.
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My reading speed isn't affected by the clockspeed of my tablet, so I'll still spend the same amount of time on a website..
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My reading speed isn't affected by the clockspeed of my tablet, so I'll still spend the same amount of time on a website..
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When you are reading after it has loaded, the clock speed is the same as stock...it doesn't stay pegged at the OC speed all the time, the on-demand governor takes care of that for you
agreed but still the reaction is not instantaneous and some people just want to play with overclocking.
I found the benchmark tool interesting because it does not focus on pure force power but on user perception of the interface and after all I am a user
OP updated with a new ROM
Feel Free to post and give feedback ^_^
Also feel free to Vote the thread ^_^
Q&A is in Post 2
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Hi Everyone, Arrow here and this is my guide to find what is the best aosp setup for your evo or android. It is true when people say "every phone is different." However there is an average of people that get similar results. At the moment people have different interest such as some people want performance and some want to improve their battery life. Of course certain people want both but only some get both.
*Remember what i put here is an average and may be different on your evo*
AOSP GB ROM'S: Ok so to start off, these are aosp roms still being updated as of now.
CyanogenMod 7 (CM7) - The most famous aosp rom out there, all or almost all other aosp roms are based off of this rom. This rom has a stable rom and experimental nightly builds. Anyone will tell you that you can't go wrong by choosing this rom. and believe me you will enjoy it.
CyanogenMod 7 Thread
Miui - This rom has the longest battery life and is very customizable. This rom is based off of CM7 and is an excelent rom. However unlike CM7 this rom does not have 4g so if you are willing to sacrifice 4g then believe me this is your rom.
Miui Thread
Gingerbread Evo Deck - Ok so although CM7 is amazing decks gb rom has said to be the exact same thing but giving off better battery life. other then that it is pretty much the same thing with some minor tweaks and some bloat ware removed.
Gingerbread-Evo-Deck's Thread
Xplod E4G - Team Nocturnal designed this rom and it is pretty much CM7 with the Sony Launcher + their apps. This rom will give your phone a nice cool feel that other people don't have. If you like a lot of eye candy then get this rom because it is CM7 just with a different look and feel.
Team Nocturnals Xplod E4G RLS1.2
teh roxxorz said:
using Xplod: there's a 50/50 chance the new tiamat kernels [4.0.7+] may not boot, in that case, they should use 3.3.7.
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ICS(mod7) - Team Blaze designed this rom and you can consider this rom like Xplod E4G, a rom just like CM7 with some minor tweaks but with a different look and feel. None the less this rom has something very special this is the closest rom to being like ICS (Ice Cream Sandwich). I 100% support this rom because they are doing the best they can to make this rom look and run as smooth as ICS. so if you want to look like your ahead of the game definitely get this rom.
ICS(mod7) Thread
AOSP GB Kernels: These are three kernels that i know of, if you know of more please let me know and i will add them.
Tiamat 4.1.0 - This is the latest kernel made by Tiamat and this is the only aosp kernel still being updated. This kernel on average gives people great performance but lacks on battery life. The main Governor for this kernel is SmartassV2 which is a balanced governor, good to turn on your phone and good to use on a normal day to day bases. For this kernel i do recommend using this governor. It does have SBC and Non-SBC kernels. *Side Note* (Some people say Tiamat 3.3.7 works better for them and is also known as the LEE Kernel because it was awesome like Bruce Lee and looks like Lee backwards [337])
Tiamat Website I also put the Zips in the Attachment (At The Bottom)
Savaged-Zen - This kernel is no longer being updated, however it is still amazing this kernel seems to be Tiamat's competition. Where Tiamat lacks on battery Savaged-Zen does not. However it's performance is not as good as Tiamat. This Kernel comes in two version BFS (Brain F***ed Scheduler) and CFS (Completely Fair Scheduler). BFS is said to give better performance and CFS is the normal kernel. This kernel only comes with SBC however you may download "SVZ Manager" which will allow you to turn SBC on or off. The main governor for this kernel i believe is on demand However i use smartass and a lot of people us InteractiveX.
Savaged-Zen CFS sbc I also put the Zips in the Attachment (At The Bottom)
Savaged-Zen BFS sbc in attachments (At The Bottom)
SVZ Manager I also put the Zips in the Attachment (At The Bottom)
GoDm0de - This Kernel was made by toastcfh and is no longer being updated. It is non-sbc and in my opinion definitely the best non-sbc kernel. This Kernel has insane battery life and a pretty good performance. If you do not want to use an sbc kernel i recommend for you to 100% use this kernel. The Governor for this kernel is set on on demand (i think) however i got the best battery/performance using Interactive.
GoDm0dE Kernel I also put the Zips in the Attachment (At The Bottom)
AOSP ICS ROM'S:
ICS rom by: the_Plattypus and it is still in Alpha testing. however the development for this rom is moving really fast so hopefully a beta will come soon.
EVO 4g Ice Cream Sandwich from source
ICS-evo-deck: This Rom is by kushdeck, After testing out Decks ICS Pre-Alpha 4 & 7 rom i conclude that although it is a alpha it can easily be used as a day to day rom. extremely fast and very snappy. only thing that i found not working was the camera. (Now on Alpha5)
[ROM][ICS][1-11-12][WIP] ics-deck-evo [alpha5]
All Decks ICS Pre-Alphas
All Decks ICS Gapps
AOSP ICS Kernels:
Jaredthegreat ICS - jared has the most advanced ics rom which is in beta 2 but does not have a working camera to check this rom go here:
[ROM's] -ICS- 4.0.1-4.0.3>[AOSP]<--~B.2.0~
Will post them when they are released!!!
Rom Manager/Kernel Manager:
Rom Manager: This is an app from the android market and is extremely useful for pretty much anything. you can back up your rom, you may go into boot loader and you can check if certain roms such as "CM7 Nightlies" have been updated. However people do prefer Amon Ra for flashing, which is another plus of Rom Manager it allows you to flash alternative recovery, which will flash Amon Ra for you.
Kernel Manager: This app was working before but has stopped now, however if it does start working again what it had was pretty much all the kernels that you needed for any rom. this app would allow you to flash a new kernel immediately by going to the kernel you want to flash.
Reserved
Q&A:
Q: What is SBC?
A: SBC stands for super battery charger. SBC is trickle charging, It stops your battery from dropping from 100% to 90% right when you take it off the charger. Some say that it harms your battery but i haven't seen any harm and plus it only costs $5 to get a new battery on Amazon.
Q: How to set up and flash your roms and kernels?
A: well my friend "Crossrocker" made a guide for this with everything you need. so just click to go to his thread. [GUIDE||Oct/23]Best AOSP(CM7|Decks|MIUI) configuration.
Q: What is the difference between governors?
A: This Thread by "RJackson" explains it all:SetCPU governors (explained)
But if you're too lazy to click it here they are:
As explaind by RJackson:
ondemand - Available in most kernels, and the default governor in most kernels. When the CPU load reaches a certain point (see "up threshold" in Advanced Settings), ondemand will rapidly scale the CPU up to meet demand, then gradually scale the CPU down when it isn't needed. - SetCPU website
conservative - Available in some kernels. It is similar to the ondemand governor, but will scale the CPU up more gradually to better fit demand. Conservative provides a less responsive experience than ondemand, but can save battery. - SetCPU website
performance - Available in most kernels. It will keep the CPU running at the "max" set value at all times. This is a bit more efficient than simply setting "max" and "min" to the same value and using ondemand because the system will not waste resources scanning for the CPU load. This governor is recommended for stable benchmarking. - SetCPU website
powersave - Available in some kernels. It will keep the CPU running at the "min" set value at all times. - SetCPU website
userspace
A method for controlling the CPU speed that isn't currently used by SetCPU. For best results, do not use the userspace governor. - SetCPU website
Interactive - The 'interactive' governor has a different approach. Instead of sampling the cpu
at a specified rate, the governor will scale the cpu frequency up when coming
out of idle. When the cpu comes out of idle, a timer is configured to fire
within 1-2 ticks. If the cpu is 100% busy from exiting idle to when the timer
fires then we assume the cpu is underpowered and ramp to MAX speed.
If the cpu was not 100% busy, then the governor evaluates the cpu load over the
last 'min_sample_rate' (default 50000 uS) to determine the cpu speed to ramp down
to.
As explained by MDJ:
SMARTASS GOVERNOR - is based on the concept of the interactive governor.
I have always agreed that in theory the way interactive works - by taking over the idle loop - is very attractive. I have never managed to tweak it so it would behave decently in real life. Smartass is a complete rewrite of the code plus more. I think its a success. Performance is on par with the "old" minmax and I think smartass is a bit more responsive. Battery life is hard to quantify precisely but it does spend much more time at the lower frequencies.
Smartass will also cap the max frequency when sleeping to 245Mhz (or if your min frequency is higher than 245 - why?! - it will cap it to your min frequency). Lets take for example the 998/245 kernel, it will sleep at 245. No need for sleep profiles any more![/QUOTE]
As explained by teh roxxorz:
Lagfree - like the performance governor. It will scale the cpu to higher frequencies when needed, but not to 100% like performance, so you'll get a lil better battery out of it
SmartassV2 - A smarter smartass governor. Code was re-managed/removed to make it more optimized, and have better scaling performances
InteractiveX - a better interactive governor I believe; low scale cpu settings, for texting, browsing, ect, nothing intensive. I wouldn't use it for emulators, ect.
Q: Do you need PRL/Profile/Radio updates? Do you need to go back to sense based to do these still?
A: No you don't have to go back to sense to do these and you don't have to do these because Rom's will come with what you need. None the less if you would like to update your radios here is a thread by "Calkulin" where he keeps the latest radios updated: [ Radios ][ 9-5 ] All EVO Radio, WiMAX, PRI, NV & HBoot versions
Q: Does HDMI mirroring work on these roms?
A: As of this moment Miui and CM7 both have HDMI mirroring working, and sense all the other ones are cm7 with some tweaks they as well have HDMI working however from what i have read the only one that has not had problems with HDMI is Decks Gingerbread Rom
Q: Are all other major features (4G (except for Miui), bluetooth, front & rear camera, GPS, apps such as Netflix, Skype, Google Voice, Sprint Visual voicemail) all working at least as well as on a Sense or stock ROM?
A: Yes everything is working, however on CM7 and i presume on some others you also have to flash a gps fix which you can get from this thread: [GUIDE||Oct/23]Best AOSP(CM7|Decks|MIUI) configuration. and the Voicemail seems to have some issues for some people but works flawlessly on Decks with it's gapps + Voicemail which you may also get from this thread: [GUIDE||Oct/23]Best AOSP(CM7|Decks|MIUI) configuration.
Q:My wifi is connecting/disconnecting after a second, what should i do?
A: This answer was given to me by "teh roxxorz." This has nothing to do with your rom or kernel, do this:
Back up everything into Titanium Backup
Boot into recovery
wipe cache, Dalvik, and pretty much everything
reflash your rom,kernel and gapps (or if you would like to check out some other roms and kernels just click on the link in my sig)
once you've set up your phone download Titanium Backup from the market
in titanium backup restore all your apps ONLY!!! (don't get apps w/ data - only get apps, and do not get system data)
after this your wifi should be working just fine
Q: I am having wake issues?
A: Here is a Guide made by JBabey[FIX] Wake Issue (Android OS) - Combination of Radio/PRI/NV/Wimax/GPS !Solved!
Q: Can i make my 3g speed faster?
A: Yes, This answer was given to me by teh roxxorz:
You need to flash a sprint sense rom. I emphasize sprint because it won't work on the sense 3.5 roms, as they're all ports of other non sprint roms.
1. Flash sense rom
2. Obtain your msl, download msl reader from market, use it, write it down
3. type in ##3282# , input your msl (you can get this from the app msl reader)
4. Click edit mode > advanced
5. Scroll down to HHTD proxy port and address
6. Change the proxy port to 0 and proxychange the address to 0.0.0.
Q: How can I fix my GPS?
A: This answer was given to me by teh roxxorz:
- flash a sense rom
- open up the dialer
- Type ##GPSCLRX# or ##4772579#
- Your enter your MSL at the prompt
- Your phone will soon reboot > done
Q: Is there a guide like this but for sense roms?
A: Yes if you are looking for a sense guide rather than aosp then check out this thread by tropicalbrit
Q: What is your setup at the moment?
A: Rom - Decks 4.0.3 Pre-Alpha 7 ICS Rom
Kernel - Stock
Governor - Conservative
CPU Max/Min Frequency - 729/128
IncrediControl (app) - (-100) [I get to (-100) by first doing (-75) and leaving it there for 3 days and then I do another (-25)]
Car-o-Dope (CoD) setup
Nice setup. Thanks
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Steven 1 said:
Nice setup. Thanks
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and thank you for such a quick reply ^_^
Not too bad. Good thing on steering them to tiamat. Lemme know if you need anything.
teh roxxorz said:
Not too bad. Good thing on steering them to tiamat. Lemme know if you need anything.
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lol i was about to message you to check out this thread, but actually i do need something. do you happen to know a description of: lagfree, smartassV2, and interactiveX? or at least where i can get one?
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lol i was about to message you to check out this thread, but actually i do need something. do you happen to know a description of: lagfree, smartassV2, and interactiveX? or at least where i can get one?
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Lagfree - like the performance governor. It will scale the cpu to higher frequencies when needed, but not to 100% like performance, so you'll get a lil better battery out of it
SmartassV2 - A smarter smartass governor. Code was re-managed/removed to make it more optimized, and have better scaling performances
InteractiveX - a better interactive governor I believe; low scale cpu settings, for texting, browsing, ect, nothing intensive. I wouldn't use it for emulators, ect.
Also, you should also disclose to people using Xplod: there's a 50/50 chance the new tiamat kernels [4.0.7+] may not boot, in that case, they should use 3.3.7.
And any reason you were gona message me?
teh roxxorz said:
Lagfree - like the performance governor. It will scale the cpu to higher frequencies when needed, but not to 100% like performance, so you'll get a lil better battery out of it
SmartassV2 - A smarter smartass governor. Code was re-managed/removed to make it more optimized, and have better scaling performances
InteractiveX - a better interactive governor I believe; low scale cpu settings, for texting, browsing, ect, nothing intensive. I wouldn't use it for emulators, ect.
Also, you should also disclose to people using Xplod: there's a 50/50 chance the new tiamat kernels [4.0.7+] may not boot, in that case, they should use 3.3.7.
And any reason you were gona message me?
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pretty much so you can check it out and see if it was good, you seem to post everywhere i do and you seem to know a lot.
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pretty much so you can check it out and see if it was good, you seem to post everywhere i do and you seem to know a lot.
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Maybe there's a case of a stalker?! [kidding]
Though glad I could help. And thank you.
teh roxxorz said:
Maybe there's a case of a stalker?! [kidding]
Though glad I could help. And thank you.
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No problem ^_^
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No problem ^_^
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Tis all good.
has anyone tried that ICS(mod7) rom?
Helpful threads for the win, thanks mr arrow
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Nice helpful thread , I like that you attached the kernels seeing that a lot of people these days are always asking for links to them.
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Nice helpful thread , I like that you attached the kernels seeing that a lot of people these days are always asking for links to them.
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thank you, and yea it was a pain for me to find them just to attach them lol
Toney Starks said:
Helpful threads for the win, thanks mr arrow
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no problem ^_^
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no problem ^_^
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You could have asked I keep all of them just incase.
Edit: I quoted the wrong post lol.
I was talking about the kernels.
cnstarz said:
has anyone tried that ICS(mod7) rom?
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i actually did, it runs really smooth and i believe atm everything is working. if there is anything wrong with it, then it was something cm7 did because it is the same thing with a few tweaks and a different look.
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You could have asked I keep all of them just incase.
Edit: I quoted the wrong post lol.
I was talking about the kernels.
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oh lol i was like huh , and well now i know lol
Hi,
Thanks for guide... I am considering changing from
my stock rooted ROM, so very timely for me!
Some features that you don't mention or summarize
that may help me and others.
PRL/Profile/Radio updates? I believe you need to
go back to sense based to do these still? [yuk]
HDMI mirroring?
Are all other major features (4G (except for Miui),
bluetooth, front & rear camera, GPS, apps such as
Netflix, Skype, Google Voice, Sprint Visual voicemail)
all working at least as well as on a Sense or stock ROM?
Thanks in Advance,
Peter
Introduction
"It takes few hours to make a thread but it doesn't even take few seconds to say Thanks"- arpith.fbi
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Don't be afraid to ask me anything.
I won't bite, but I might lick you.
Just thank me for this super brief thread.
Give credits to this thread by linking it if you're using any of my info.
Thank you to you too
Have you unlocked your bootloader of your current device ? If so, read it ! If not, learn the benifits ! :victory:
What is this thread about ? It is a very brief explanation of every governors and schedulers to let you find the best combo for your device.
I've been searching a lot about informations about Kernels, Governors, I/O Schedulers and also Android Optimization Tips. No matter its Google or XDA or other android forums. I will go into it and try the best I can to find these infos. So I thought of sharing it to here for the XPlay users.
My main reason to share this is to benefit users for better knowledge about Kernels, Governors, I/O Schedulers and Tips on Android Optimization. I'm not aware of whether where this should be posted, its related to kernels, governors and schedulers so I think it would be best if I share it to here. Yes, I wrote it word by word with references.Happy learning. :angel:
After months on XDA, no matter its in a development forum or Off Topic forum. Users kept on asking what's this what's that. And I'm sure that not all members will understand what is it until they bump into my thread
FAQs regarding on :-
-I/O Schedulers
-Kernel Governers
-Better RAM
-Better Battery
-FAQs
*Will add more when I found something useful.
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I do a lot of asking by PM, to learn, it doesn't matter whether its a stupid one. (People who know me understands)
With my experience and lots of asking. I managed to find a lot of infos that we can use to optimize our phone.
I will try to explain as clear as I can.
Governors :-
-Smoothass
-Smartass
-SmartassV2
-SavagedZen
-Interactivex
-Lagfree
-Minmax
-Ondemand
-Conservative
-Brazilianwax
-Userspacce
-Powersave
-Performance
-Scary
-Lulzactive *
-Intellidemand *
-Badass *
-Lionheart *
-Lionheartx *
-Virtuous *
* Haven't gathered much needed information. Will add it later.
Explanation
OnDemand
Brief
Available in most kernels, and the default governor in most kernels. When the CPU load reaches a certain point, OnDemand will rapidly scale the CPU up to meet the demand, then gradually scale the CPU down when it isn't needed.
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Brief says all. By a simple explantion, OnDemand scales up to the required frequency to undergo the action you are doing and rapidly scales down after use.
Conservative
Brief
It is similar to the OnDemand governor, but will scale the CPU up more gradually to better fit demand. Conservative governor provides a less responsive experience than OnDemand, but it does save batter
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Conservative is the opposite of Interactive; it will slowly ramp up the frequency, then quickly drops the frequency once the CPU is no longer under a certain usage.
Interactive
Brief
Available in latest kernels, it is the default scaling option in some stock kernels. Interactive governor is similar to the OnDemand governor with an even greater focus on responsiveness.
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Interactive is the opposite of Conservative; it quickly scales up to the maximum allowed frequency, then slowly drops the frequency once no longer in use.
Performance
Brief
Performance governer locks the phone's CPU at maximum frequency. While this may sound like an ugly idea, there is growing evidence to suggest that running a phone at its maximum frequency at all times will allow a faster race-to-idle. Race-to-idle is the process by which a phone completes a given task. After that it returns the CPU to extremely efficient low-power state.
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Good at gaming, Really good. Disadvantages are it may damage your phone if too much usage.
Powersave
Brief
The opposite of the Performance governor, the Powersave governor locks the CPU frequency at the lowest frequency set by the user.
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Set it to your desired minimum frequency and you won't have to look for your charger for once in a while.
Scary
Brief
A new governor wrote based on Conservative with some Smartass features, it scales accordingly to Conservative's way. It will start from the bottom. It spends most of its time at lower frequencies. The goal of this is to get the best battery life with decent performance. It will give the same performance as Conservative right now.
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Hmm.. Overall I don't see any difference. After I understand its main objective. I was very curious and decided to use it again. Results are the same.. No difference. Report to me if anyone has tested this.
Userspace
Brief
Userspace is not a governor pre-set, but instead allows for non-kernel daemons or apps with root permissions to control the frequency. Commonly seen as a redundant and not useful since SetCPU and NoFrills exist.
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Highly not recommended for use.
Smartass
Brief
It is based on the concept of the Interactive governor.
Smartass is a complete rewrite of the code of Interactive. Performance is on par with the “old” minmax and Smartass is a bit more responsive. Battery life is hard to quantify precisely but it does spend much more time at the lower frequencies.
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Smartass is rather the governer that will save your battery and make use of your processor for daily use. Like the brief explantion said " Smartass will spend much more time on lower frequencies." So logically you don't need for sleep profiles anymore.
SmartassV2
Brief
Theoretically a merge of the best properties of Interactive and OnDemand; automatically reduces the maximum CPU frequency when phone is idle or asleep, and attempts to balance performance with efficiency by focusing on an "ideal" frequency.
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This is a much favourite to everybody. I believe almost everyone here is using SmartassV2. Yes, it is better than Smartass because of its speed no scaling frequencies from min to max at a short period of time.
Smoothass
Brief
A much more aggressive version of Smartass that is very quick to ramp up and down, and keeps the idle/asleep maximum frequency even lower.
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In my personal experience, this is really useful for daily use. And yes, I'm using it all the time. It may decrease your battery life. I saw it OC itself to 1.4 gHz when I set it to 1.2. Good use. Recommended.
Brazilianwax
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Similar to SmartassV2. More aggressive scaling, so more performance, but less battery.
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Based on SmartassV2. But its advantage is a much more performance wise governor.
SavagedZen
Brief
Another SmartassV2 based governor. Achieves good balance between performance & battery as compared to Brazilianwax.
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Not much difference compared to SmartassV2. But it is a optimized version of it.
Lagfree
Brief
Again, similar to Smartass but based on Conservative rather than Interactive, instantly jumps to a certain CPU frequency after the device wakes, then operates similar to Conservative. However, it has been noted as being very slow when down-scaling, taking up to a second to switch frequencies.
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Used it before. Like the name of the governor, I didn't experience any lag whatsoever. Another governor based on performance, but not battery efficient.
MinMax
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MinMax is just a normal governor. No scaling intermediate frequency scaling is used.
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Well.. it's too normal that I can't really say anything about it..
Interactivex
Brief
InteractiveX governor is based heavily on the Interactive governor, enhanced with tuned timer parameters to optimize the balance of battery vs performance. InteractiveX governor's defining feature, however, is that it locks the CPU frequency to the user's lowest defined speed when the screen is off.
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A better understanding from the brief to you users, this is an Interactive governor with a wake profile. More battery friendly than Interactive.
Due to current kernels doesn't have these governors. I will be delaying the explanation, its very interesting. If you want it ASAP, post below
-Lulzactive *
-Intellidemand *
-Badass *
-Lionheart *
-Lionheartx *
-Virtuous *
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I/O Schedulers(thanks to droidphile)
Deadline
Goal is to minimize I/O latency or starvation of a request. The same is achieved by round robin policy to be fair among multiple I/O requests. Five queues are aggressively used to reorder incoming requests.
Advantages:
Nearly a real time scheduler.
Excels in reducing latency of any given single I/O.
Best scheduler for database access and queries.
Bandwidth requirement of a process - what percentage of CPU it needs, is easily calculated.
Like noop, a good scheduler for solid state/flash drives.
Disadvantages:
When system is overloaded, set of processes that may miss deadline is largely unpredictable.
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Noop
Inserts all the incoming I/O requests to a First In First Out queue and implements request merging. Best used with storage devices that does not depend on mechanical movement to access data. Advantage here is that flash drives does not require reordering of multiple I/O requests unlike in normal hard drives.
Advantages:
Serves I/O requests with least number of cpu cycles. (Battery friendly?)
Best for flash drives since there is no seeking penalty.
Good throughput on db systems.
Disadvantages:
Reduction in number of cpu cycles used is proportional to drop in performance.
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Anticipatory
Based on two facts
i) Disk seeks are really slow.
ii) Write operations can happen whenever, but there is always some process waiting for read operation.
So anticipatory prioritize read operations over write. It anticipates synchronous read operations.
Advantages:
Read requests from processes are never starved.
As good as noop for read-performance on flash drives.
Disadvantages:
'Guess works' might not be always reliable.
Reduced write-performance on high performance disks.
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BFQ
nstead of time slices allocation by CFQ, BFQ assigns budgets. Disk is granted to an active process until it's budget (number of sectors) expires. BFQ assigns high budgets to non-read tasks. Budget assigned to a process varies over time as a function of it's behavior.
Advantages:
Believed to be very good for usb data transfer rate.
Believed to be the best scheduler for HD video recording and video streaming. (because of less jitter as compared to CFQ and others)
Considered an accurate i/o scheduler.
Achieves about 30% more throughput than CFQ on most workloads.
Disadvantages:
Not the best scheduler for benchmarking.
Higher budget assigned to a process can affect interactivity and increased latency.
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CFQ
Completely Fair Queuing scheduler maintains a scalable per-process I/O queue and attempts to distribute the available I/O bandwidth equally among all I/O requests. Each per-process queue contains synchronous requests from processes. Time slice allocated for each queue depends on the priority of the 'parent' process. V2 of CFQ has some fixes which solves process' i/o starvation and some small backward seeks in the hope of improving responsiveness.
Advantages:
Considered to deliver a balanced i/o performance.
Easiest to tune.
Excels on multiprocessor systems.
Best database system performance after deadline.
Disadvantages:
Some users report media scanning takes longest to complete using CFQ. This could be because of the property that since the bandwidth is equally distributed to all i/o operations during boot-up, media scanning is not given any special priority.
Jitter (worst-case-delay) exhibited can sometimes be high, because of the number of tasks competing for the disk.
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SIO
Simple I/O scheduler aims to keep minimum overhead to achieve low latency to serve I/O requests. No priority quesues concepts, but only basic merging. Sio is a mix between noop & deadline. No reordering or sorting of requests.
Advantages:
Simple, so reliable.
Minimized starvation of requests.
Disadvantages:
Slow random-read speeds on flash drives, compared to other schedulers.
Sequential-read speeds on flash drives also not so good.
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VR
Unlike other schedulers, synchronous and asynchronous requests are not treated separately, instead a deadline is imposed for fairness. The next request to be served is based on it's distance from last request.
Advantages:
May be best for benchmarking because at the peak of it's 'form' VR performs best.
Disadvantages:
Performance fluctuation results in below-average performance at times.
Least reliable/most unstable.
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Credits
-droidphile
-kokzhanjia
Reserved for kernel infos
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Yes, we do have kernels with Lionheart, lulzactive and intellidemand.
Nice reference cheers.
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CosmicDan said:
Yes, we do have kernels with Lionheart, lulzactive and intellidemand.
Nice reference cheers.
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Really ? Okay will add it in later
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Really ? Okay will add it in later
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Yeah LuPuS has Lulzactive, Virtuous, Intellidemand, Lazy, Ondemandx, Lionheart and Badass added (but no mention of LionheartX).
Turbo kernel also has intellidemand but the parameters have been modified quite a bit (by me) to suit our snapdragon SOC's better. I think wedgess also put these changes into LuPuS too (at least one of the ICS/JB kernels he builds he said he did). The browser mode still has no effect AFAIK but in my experience it's more battery-friendly and better performance than on-demand (thanks mainly to dbus_input ramping). But many users have reported slightly better gaming experience with SmartAssv2.
Great reference, this will be of much help to new comers, thanks for the hard work you put into this.
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Yeah LuPuS has Lulzactive, Virtuous, Intellidemand, Lazy, Ondemandx, Lionheart and Badass added (but no mention of LionheartX).
Turbo kernel also has intellidemand but the parameters have been modified quite a bit (by me) to suit our snapdragon SOC's better. I think wedgess also put these changes into LuPuS too (at least one of the ICS/JB kernels he builds he said he did). The browser mode still has no effect AFAIK but in my experience it's more battery-friendly and better performance than on-demand (thanks mainly to dbus_input ramping). But many users have reported slightly better gaming experience with SmartAssv2.
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Yeah. Saw your work Nice one.. anymore in depth infos about kernels at here ? I want to add a bonus one for this..
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Great reference, this will be of much help to new comers, thanks for the hard work you put into this.
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Thanks
Coloured signatures are nice
Nah that's pretty much it
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Throughout my experience(mainly from observing CPU speeds during music playback), I found that:
Scary:
Ramps up to max after reaching a threshold (50/60% CPU load) then slow scales down to match as 50-80% CPU Load @ X MHz. After a while if load lowers (30-40%), it will clock down to match the 50-80% load. You will see a lot of 100% @ low MHz with this governor.
SavagedZen:
It maintains a 80-90% CPU Load @ X MHz for a fairly constant load. This one also scales based on the Max CPU Freq. settings. So the lower your Max CPU Freq, the better it is at maintaining the CPU Load/MHz balance (for music playback at least).
I didn't look at the source, so these are just from observations only. So I might be talking out of my ass.
Also, having good CPU Load at appropriate CPU Speeds may or may not contribute to battery life. No experiments showed that yet iirc.
Monitoring done via "Diagnosis - System Information" an app that generates an overlay with whatever information your want ie cpu load, speed, memory free, used, disk io, network io, etc.
Refresh rate kept at 5 seconds to keep CPU Load interference minimal (lower than ICS/JB CPU Info overlay from Development, Settings tab).
Great thread, this should be sticky!
jabberwocky_one said:
Throughout my experience(mainly from observing CPU speeds during music playback), I found that:
Scary:
Ramps up to max after reaching a threshold (50/60% CPU load) then slow scales down to match as 50-80% CPU Load @ X MHz. After a while if load lowers (30-40%), it will clock down to match the 50-80% load. You will see a lot of 100% @ low MHz with this governor.
SavagedZen:
It maintains a 80-90% CPU Load @ X MHz for a fairly constant load. This one also scales based on the Max CPU Freq. settings. So the lower your Max CPU Freq, the better it is at maintaining the CPU Load/MHz balance (for music playback at least).
I didn't look at the source, so these are just from observations only. So I might be talking out of my ass.
Also, having good CPU Load at appropriate CPU Speeds may or may not contribute to battery life. No experiments showed that yet iirc.
Monitoring done via "Diagnosis - System Information" an app that generates an overlay with whatever information your want ie cpu load, speed, memory free, used, disk io, network io, etc.
Refresh rate kept at 5 seconds to keep CPU Load interference minimal (lower than ICS/JB CPU Info overlay from Development, Settings tab).
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Nono you are right. I read these before and your observation is just about it, thanks for the info
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Great thread, this should be sticky!
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Thank you
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Am I setting it up the right way?
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I prefer using that minimum and maximum.
And would this screen off profile work, even if I have configured the main minimum? The 100mhz for screen off really saves a lot of my battery.
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Gr8 helped me a lot in understanding alll of this .....
bhavei said:
Am I setting it up the right way?
I prefer using that minimum and maximum.
And would this screen off profile work, even if I have configured the main minimum? The 100mhz for screen off really saves a lot of my battery.
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Yes it is right. I didnt really tried the other way that you mentioned, because i have No-Frills pre-installed in my settings..but i see it worked. Of course it will save battery.. Nice
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Gr8 helped me a lot in understanding alll of this .....
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Will add more soon About kernels, Is there any BFS kernels around here ? Most kernels are CFS..
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About kernels, Is there any BFS kernels around here ? Most kernels are CFS..
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There was, I ported it over a few months ago. But I removed it because it was causing priority issues. The latest BFS patch for our kernel has some critical bugs, so I ditched it. When I get ext# fixed in .60 kernel up and going I will probably take another crack at it, backporting one of the more recent 3.x BFS versions.
One of the LuPuS kernels might still have na laternative BFS version, but I think wedgess stopped building it for the same reason as me.
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There was, I ported it over a few months ago. But I removed it because it was causing priority issues. The latest BFS patch for our kernel has some critical bugs, so I ditched it. When I get ext# fixed in .60 kernel up and going I will probably take another crack at it, backporting one of the more recent 3.x BFS versions.
One of the LuPuS kernels might still have na laternative BFS version, but I think wedgess stopped building it for the same reason as me.
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I see, there are really few BFS based kernels out there. BFS is better in my opinion so i would like to elaborate more about BFS to attract more users.
Btw, one guy in Xperia Mini, Mini Pro and Active forums had already successfully making it up and running for stock and CM ROMs. Its already hitted version 2.3
Maybe you could get some help from him ? Name is Mesa Kernel.
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kokzhanjia said:
I see, there are really few BFS based kernels out there. BFS is better in my opinion so i would like to elaborate more about BFS to attract more users.
Btw, one guy in Xperia Mini, Mini Pro and Active forums had already successfully making it up and running for stock and CM ROMs. Its already hitted version 2.3
Maybe you could get some help from him ? Name is Mesa Kernel.
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I was using v0.313 of BFS, it wasn't that hard - just had to adapt the patch for the Xperia's stupid kernel. That version is so unstable and buggy, in fact all 2.6.x BFS patches were so problematic that the official page has removed them.
I'll check it out, if he back-ported BFS for Linux kernel 3.0 and has them on GitHub, otherwise it would be easier just to do it myself. But I have other more important concerns for Zeus development right now, BFS doesn't really bring any significant performance boost (which is why it is continually rejected from AOSP inclusion).
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I was using v0.313 of BFS, it wasn't that hard - just had to adapt the patch for the Xperia's stupid kernel. That version is so unstable and buggy, in fact all 2.6.x BFS patches were so problematic that the official page has removed them.
I'll check it out, if he back-ported BFS for Linux kernel 3.0 and has them on GitHub, otherwise it would be easier just to do it myself. But I have other more important concerns for Zeus development right now, BFS doesn't really bring any significant performance boost (which is why it is continually rejected from AOSP inclusion).
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Oh... i didnt know that.. anyway, I don't think he has his github set up. I didnt saw a link to his github on his thread. And isnt BFS aimed for forward looking(like only performing on a task that is given without any concerns) ? I read about it at google docs about it. And i don't really know how to explain it clearly..
Good luck in your development my frirend. And this thread has been moved to General section. Hope you can find it and Nice to have another friend
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This is nice info,
Thanks
Thanks man. This is awesome. Much appreciated
Hey guys,
I wanted to get everyone's feedback and experiences between the 3 kernels. I realize that every device behaves differently, but was curious about which ones people have tried, if they found any cool things about specific ones they really liked Or if you wanted to share your experience about the latest build.
Thanks!
Trinity and franco are about the same, but trinity>franco.
KTmanta is in a totally different league, it offers total customization and imo is the best kernel just because of that.
Franco and Trinity are all about performance where ktmanta is about battery optimizations and customizations.
I haven't used Franco or trinity in a while, I know they score higher in benchmarks if that means anything at all.
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I think everyone knows my preference, but they are all good kernels. Unfortunately this tablet is not on Franco's priority list and does not see much development. I dont believe it has a 4.3 compatible version yet and the last release has a serious bug that causes SoD for most people.
I like Trinity and KManta for different reasons (those stated above). If I need to squeeze out battery life, I go with KManta and tweak the settings accordingly. But for my day-to-day use, I like Trinity for its smoothness. Just my two cents
Awesome input guys! Real useful information.
How would you guys describe KTManta when just using the stock values? When you guys say "customization", do you guys mean the voltage settings and stuff like that? I've been flashing for years, but have never really understood how that worked. Which is funny, because I am an experienced PC overclocker. People say the concept is very similar. If KTManta's customization options were removed, would it be then comparable to Trinity? Or would it still be better without all the options?
Would you guys say Trinity still has decent battery life? Compared to KTManta at stock values?
Which one does Chrome work the best with?
Thanks!
Stock for stock Trinity is better because Morfic hardcodes overclock and undervolt values into the kernel and sets up all that stuff as his stock settings for the kernel. KTManta allows you to do those things and WAY more, but does not set them up as stock values because Ktoonsez prefers to keep the default settings for his kernel closer to the default settings of the stock AOSP kernel. So while Trinity may have -50mv undervolt to everything and a GPU overclock of 620MHz (I think that is the speed?), KTManta allows you to go +/- 200 mv to any frequency step for CPU or GPU that you feel like and also allows OC to 2.1GHz on CPU and 720MHz on the GPU if you want to, as well as RAM OC if you want to, and control of the scaling of every part of the chipset, again if you *want* to. But it doesnt set any custom stuff as default since everyone's device is unique and people want to do different things with it. That is why we have pre-made settings available from various users so that you can load custom values to try out without having to go through a bunch of experimentation yourself.
I don't know if the answer to my question is somewhere hidden between the thousands of threats but I did try to find it before(including Google and YouTube) and would be more than happy to get a reply.
I'm using custom Kernels since the Note 2 but was never able to put more time and afford in to understand how they actually work and always used the default settings.
Now I'm trying to get some knowledge on Kernel settings and what is safe to change and what not. I'm very interested on how a Kernel works and how I can boost both battery life and/or performance as well as the basic knowledge of the Kernel settings.
At the moment I'm trying to explore with trickster mod to kinda learn by doing but I always get really bad results in testing or no big changes when I change the governor. Also I'm a little afraid in messing up my phone and therefor don't change the settings much. What I know is that the same Kernel can have different outcomes on different Note 3's so please do not post just your Kernel and settings without explanation cause I would like to find the most suited Kernel and settings for my Note.
Sooo...Some help and explanations would be more than appreciated.
4aces said:
I don't know if the answer to my question is somewhere hidden between the thousands of threats but I did try to find it before(including Google and YouTube) and would be more than happy to get a reply.
I'm using custom Kernels since the Note 2 but was never able to put more time and afford in to understand how they actually work and always used the default settings.
Now I'm trying to get some knowledge on Kernel settings and what is safe to change and what not. I'm very interested on how a Kernel works and how I can boost both battery life and/or performance as well as the basic knowledge of the Kernel settings.
At the moment I'm trying to explore with trickster mod to kinda learn by doing but I always get really bad results in testing or no big changes when I change the governor. Also I'm a little afraid in messing up my phone and therefor don't change the settings much. What I know is that the same Kernel can have different outcomes on different Note 3's so please do not post just your Kernel and settings without explanation cause I would like to find the most suited Kernel and settings for my Note.
Sooo...Some help and explanations would be more than appreciated.
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I can give you a brief (easy) explanation with comparisons to try to get you to understand what a kernel is.
A kernel is your phone's driver (like a car) where it adjusts settings of the hardware and controls how each individual part interacts with each other.
There is a reason you take a car to get tuned up, and that is because a car can go berserk as there is no "maintaining force" - YOU or the person who tunes your car makes changes to the car to make sure it does not overheat, use less power per mile travelled, control how much windshield fluid is being released or how much torque force required to ensure the car does not snap XXXXXX when going at a speed of YYYYYY.
These options are beyond the manufacturer's decisions, and therefore when people flash a kernel you immediately trip KNOX (N9005). You can give your phone less power to process, more power to process (not recommended), speed up the CPU/limit the CPU, control governors on how the disk I/O (input/output) is being handled and/or control how much the phone will swap to it's virtual memory when it reaches no memory.
People think use a custom kernel! It saves you a ton of battery life!. This statement is partially wrong. You have to understand how a kernel reacts to your phone. Even though I know that lite kernels like Wootever's Custom N3 has the best battery life, this is because it has less tweaks and features that may boggle the user, and may allow for subsequent battery life extension compared to CivZ's SneakyKat or Imoseyon's LeanKernel. By inserting new tweaks into the kernel, you allow to have more "useful" features that may add to the "driver's knowledge" - Color tweaking, Fast charge over USB, CIFS support, all are extras that the kernel supports. To save power, developers remove the junk that the manufacturers added and added their own settings to make sure they get the result they would like, then they would share it to the public. However, people recommend custom kernels as they get more options when they flash it, as well as ridding of a lot of the stock settings that manufacturers love setting (default governors, lowest CPU frequency, etc)
CPU governors work by controlling how much speed is used at a given time, a good description of what each governor does is listed here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1736168
I/O governors (simply speaking) control how files and requests are being handled by the system, a good description of what each governors is listed here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=23616564&postcount=4. Good way to understand this is if you learnt programming and you learnt the Stack/Queue ADTs in a programming language, it describes things better when looking at the descriptions in the link above.
Adjusting Synapse/Trickster would not get you anywhere to getting the best battery/best performance out of the phone. You will have to experiment and check which kernel is best with your phone, according to your SOC_PVS value. SOC_PVS value is how Qualcomm decides your processor's manufacturing "rank" and if you compare a low rank to a high rank, you will see that you can use less power to operate a high ranked chip compared to a low ranked counterpart. As most governors rely heavily on how the code is handled by the system, you should always go for the kernel that fits your system, and setting configurations depending on your system's likings. By following other people's configurations you risk sporadic reboots and incompatibilities, as not all phones are built the same way.
Things you should not touch if you are afraid of destroying your phone: Overvolting and Overclocking, as these may fry your device if you don't know what you are doing.
Any questions - click reply to this, or else I won't see it!
nicholaschum said:
I can give you a brief (easy) explanation with comparisons to try to get you to understand what a kernel is.
A kernel is your phone's driver (like a car) where it adjusts settings of the hardware and controls how each individual part interacts with each other.
There is a reason you take a car to get tuned up, and that is because a car can go berserk as there is no "maintaining force" - YOU or the person who tunes your car makes changes to the car to make sure it does not overheat, use less power per mile travelled, control how much windshield fluid is being released or how much torque force required to ensure the car does not snap XXXXXX when going at a speed of YYYYYY.
These options are beyond the manufacturer's decisions, and therefore when people flash a kernel you immediately trip KNOX (N9005). You can give your phone less power to process, more power to process (not recommended), speed up the CPU/limit the CPU, control governors on how the disk I/O (input/output) is being handled and/or control how much the phone will swap to it's virtual memory when it reaches no memory.
People think use a custom kernel! It saves you a ton of battery life!. This statement is partially wrong. You have to understand how a kernel reacts to your phone. Even though I know that lite kernels like Wootever's Custom N3 has the best battery life, this is because it has less tweaks and features that may boggle the user, and may allow for subsequent battery life extension compared to CivZ's SneakyKat or Imoseyon's LeanKernel. By inserting new tweaks into the kernel, you allow to have more "useful" features that may add to the "driver's knowledge" - Color tweaking, Fast charge over USB, CIFS support, all are extras that the kernel supports. To save power, developers remove the junk that the manufacturers added and added their own settings to make sure they get the result they would like, then they would share it to the public. However, people recommend custom kernels as they get more options when they flash it, as well as ridding of a lot of the stock settings that manufacturers love setting (default governors, lowest CPU frequency, etc)
CPU governors work by controlling how much speed is used at a given time, a good description of what each governor does is listed here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1736168
I/O governors (simply speaking) control how files and requests are being handled by the system, a good description of what each governors is listed here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=23616564&postcount=4. Good way to understand this is if you learnt programming and you learnt the Stack/Queue ADTs in a programming language, it describes things better when looking at the descriptions in the link above.
Adjusting Synapse/Trickster would not get you anywhere to getting the best battery/best performance out of the phone. You will have to experiment and check which kernel is best with your phone, according to your SOC_PVS value. SOC_PVS value is how Qualcomm decides your processor's manufacturing "rank" and if you compare a low rank to a high rank, you will see that you can use less power to operate a high ranked chip compared to a low ranked counterpart. As most governors rely heavily on how the code is handled by the system, you should always go for the kernel that fits your system, and setting configurations depending on your system's likings. By following other people's configurations you risk sporadic reboots and incompatibilities, as not all phones are built the same way.
Things you should not touch if you are afraid of destroying your phone: Overvolting and Overclocking, as these may fry your device if you don't know what you are doing.
Any questions - click reply to this, or else I won't see it!
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First of all thank u very much for the detailed response. That was exactly what I was looking for. I will get back to you after going through the awesome links you were posting with some more knowledge
One thing which came straight in my mind was how do I know if I have a low or high rank from the soc_pvs_value and where do I find it?
Thanks again!
4aces said:
First of all thank u very much for the detailed response. That was exactly what I was looking for. I will get back to you after going through the awesome links you were posting with some more knowledge
One thing which came straight in my mind was how do I know if I have a low or high rank from the soc_pvs_value and where do I find it?
Thanks again!
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Anytime
You can either install Synapse (If your Kernel supports it, and click on the button under CPU), or check here:
Code:
/sys/devices/system/soc/soc0/soc_pvs
The higher your number, the better.
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Anytime
You can either install Synapse (If your Kernel supports it, and click on the button under CPU), or check here:
Code:
/sys/devices/system/soc/soc0/soc_pvs
The higher your number, the better.
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I ran out of "thanks" so u get it tomorrow. But thanks again. One more thing:
How do I know if I have a high number/between which numbers does the value wary? My soc_pvs is 3.
4aces said:
I ran out of "thanks" so u get it tomorrow. But thanks again. One more thing:
How do I know if I have a high number/between which numbers does the value wary? My soc_pvs is 3.
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You got a rather good number.
The lowest is 0, and the highest is 6. I have 2 but I don't undervolt so this is not an issue
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You got a rather good number.
The lowest is 0, and the highest is 6. I have 2 but I don't undervolt so this is not an issue
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Can't thank u enough!!! Now I will be off to some reading and testing
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You got a rather good number.
The lowest is 0, and the highest is 6. I have 2 but I don't undervolt so this is not an issue
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Aaand one more question.
What is the difference in tcp congestion control (cubic/reno) and what does it change?
4aces said:
Aaand one more question.
What is the difference in tcp congestion control (cubic/reno) and what does it change?
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That seems more of a Trickster Mod specific tweak.
It is more of a network speed tweak which you can read here: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_congestion_avoidance_algorithm
In simple words, you have to understand what Network Congestion is, and how queues affect how much data is being transmitted. When too much data is being carried in a link or a node, the quality of service would deteriorate. To do Congestion control, it affects how much data is being transmitted through each node systematically. This is rather complicated to explain using simple terms as this is a mathematical formula which processes how much data is being transmitted.
Cubic is used by many default linux kernels. Like CPU governors, these are data transmission governors, and it is best if you use the one better for your TCP/IP connection (Carrier or Wifi)
nicholaschum said:
That seems more of a Trickster Mod specific tweak.
It is more of a network speed tweak which you can read here: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_congestion_avoidance_algorithm
In simple words, you have to understand what Network Congestion is, and how queues affect how much data is being transmitted. When too much data is being carried in a link or a node, the quality of service would deteriorate. To do Congestion control, it affects how much data is being transmitted through each node systematically. This is rather complicated to explain using simple terms as this is a mathematical formula which processes how much data is being transmitted.
Cubic is used by many default linux kernels. Like CPU governors, these are data transmission governors, and it is best if you use the one better for your TCP/IP connection (Carrier or Wifi)
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Just read the answer in the link u posted. Stupid me.
Sorry for taking up your time.
nicholaschum said:
That seems more of a Trickster Mod specific tweak.
It is more of a network speed tweak which you can read here: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_congestion_avoidance_algorithm
In simple words, you have to understand what Network Congestion is, and how queues affect how much data is being transmitted. When too much data is being carried in a link or a node, the quality of service would deteriorate. To do Congestion control, it affects how much data is being transmitted through each node systematically. This is rather complicated to explain using simple terms as this is a mathematical formula which processes how much data is being transmitted.
Cubic is used by many default linux kernels. Like CPU governors, these are data transmission governors, and it is best if you use the one better for your TCP/IP connection (Carrier or Wifi)
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I have another question. If I want to oc or uv is there any script I have to use or can I just apply/test right away?
4aces said:
I have another question. If I want to oc or uv is there any script I have to use or can I just apply/test right away?
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Just use the main interface of either Trickster or Synapse. I use Synapse personally as my kernel provides the best interface on Synapse.
nicholaschum said:
Just use the main interface of either Trickster or Synapse. I use Synapse personally as my kernel provides the best interface on Synapse.
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What I found out so far is that the device runs smoother on performance based governors with cfq or sio scheduler. The best results I had so far was on lean kernel and ael kernel. I'm using the last at the moment cause it has a lot of settings to play with
But it seems that I'm still miles away from finding the best settings.
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What I found out so far is that my device reacts not good on performance based governors & schedulers. The best results I had so far was on lean kernel and ael kernel. I'm using the last at the moment cause it has a lot of settings to play with
But it seems that I'm still miles away from finding the best settings.
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I could give you some recommendations that would work well decently with 2-3 PVS valued processors.
Interactive Governor
No OC, No UV.
I/O schedulers Internal: cfq 512kb
I/O schedulers External: cfq 512kb
Dynamic Fsync Enabled
PowerSuspend driver enabled
Mdnie enabled, 0.39%
FastCharge Enabled
GPU Governor: Simple Ondemand 450MHz
I use CivZ's SneakyKat but Wootever's Custom N3 has the best battery life. If you want features you should play with CivZ's, if you like 6h screen on then you should play with Wootever.
You don't have to follow these values, but I spent days restarting my phone finding the best "average" configuration for devices ranging in my state. I found that Intellidemand didn't do so well and Interactive prevented any sporadic reboots that I got while on Intellidemand. Also read aheads of above 512kb doesn't show much speed enhancements. Synapse is great as it tells you whether your boot is successful or not, and now all my boots get Completed.
Notice: Do not soft reboot when configuring Kernels, Kernels don't get loaded properly/doesn't get reset properly so use Full reboot when configuring
cpu lock
I tried gaming with different kernels and governors and encountered a strange issue. Especially in candy crush after playing for a while the cpu locks (sometimes on 14k sometimes 12k). Reboot fixes it but I'm still curious why it locks.
@nicholaschum any idea?
Btw. my favorite settings so far are intellidemand with deadline gr8 performance and battery life is OK.
4aces said:
I tried gaming with different kernels and governors and encountered a strange issue. Especially in candy crush after playing for a while the cpu locks (sometimes on 14k sometimes 12k). Reboot fixes it but I'm still curious why it locks.
@nicholaschum any idea?
Btw. my favorite settings so far are intellidemand with deadline gr8 performance and battery life is OK.
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That's a bit weird, did you have powersaving turned on? But I assume it's off.
I think you should disable your kernel mod application in Application Manager and test it out, if it's a problem with Synapse/Trickster then one setting is a bit problematic.
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That's a bit weird, did you have powersaving turned on? But I assume it's off.
I think you should disable your kernel mod application in Application Manager and test it out, if it's a problem with Synapse/Trickster then one setting is a bit problematic.
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Nope that's why it's strange. Even got it after clean flash without setting/installing any Kernel related apps.
Tested other games and they work fine so I deleted candy crush and so far no cpu lock. No idea why, that's why I was curious
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Nope that's why it's strange. Even got it after clean flash without setting/installing any Kernel related apps.
Tested other games and they work fine so I deleted candy crush and so far no cpu lock. No idea why, that's why I was curious
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I don't play Candy Crush so I wouldn't know..haha
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I don't play Candy Crush so I wouldn't know..haha
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Lol. Me neither from now on... (my kids will be sad though) Still can't really belive the game caused it