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release date in uk? can this be bought sim free

any idea on this, im desparate for this phone

mox123 said:
any idea on this, im desparate for this phone
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Well it's a CDMA phone so let's hope it never finds it's way to the UK!
I'm currently in the US for 3 months and my partner has just picked up the EVO and I have the HD2 (UK model using it here on t-mobile US edge data system) and the device is good, but, having "played" with it for a good few hours there are serious shortcomings with the Android OS (and that's compared to the Winmo 6.5.X on my HD2, YIKES!).
There is a tackyness compared to the solid feel of the HD2. Battery can drain before your eyes (don't know why that is as the unit is 1500mAh). Tried for 2 hours to sync with HTC's PC Suite, but, couldn't get it to work (and I'm no novice! But, I'll get the bXggXr to work). Micro SD slot under the battery. Yes I said UNDER the battery so no card changes on the fly! It's thicker than the HD2. Etc, etc.
I didn't mean this to be a review, but, I'll keep my HD2 for now.
The killer is that it's CDMA.
This phone is junk when you finish with it. It can't be recyled or unlocked for use on other carriers. It's becomes a very expensive piece of waste matter! Oh and the cost $299 with a $100 mail in rebate on a 24 month contract at $110/month (that's 135 pounds after rebate and 75 pounds a month so you pay 1935 pounds in total over the 2 years!!
My Hd2 cost me 10 pounds and 41 a month over 12 months with mobile broadband included on an upgrade.
BTW the telecoms industry here in the US is nothing short of a joke with consumers being ripped of at every opportunity. The problem being that the market is very immature and the consumers don't know any different so they go along with it.
If the US carriers had to compete in Europe then at least 50% would go under very quickly. We don't know how lucky we are.
Nokia doesn't even have a smartphone in the marketplace here!!!!!!!!!!!

pa49 said:
Well it's a CDMA phone so let's hope it never finds it's way to the UK!
There is a tackyness compared to the solid feel of the HD2. Battery can drain before your eyes (don't know why that is as the unit is 1500mAh). Tried for 2 hours to sync with HTC's PC Suite, but, couldn't get it to work. Micro SD slot under the battery. Yes I said UNDER the battery so no card changes on the fly! It's thicker than the HD2. Etc, etc.
I didn't mean this to be a review, but, I'll keep my HD2 for now.
The killer is that it's CDMA.
This phone is junk when you finish with it. It can't be recyled or unlocked for use on other carriers. It's becomes a very expensive piece of waste matter! Oh and the cost $299 with a $100 mail in rebate on a 24 month contract at $110/month (that's 135 pounds after rebate and 75 pounds a month so you pay 1935 pounds in total over the 2 years!!
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Tackyness? The Evo is built like a tank, and weighs just as much as one. The only thing you could consider 'tacky' is the fact that the battery cover gives a little when you push on it. I've never held an HD2, personally, but I do know that the Evo is ridiculously solid, or at least mine is.
Battery life all depends on how you use it. If you keep all of the radios on with maximum screen brightness with all of the apps running, you're obviously going to get some poor battery life. However, there are people who have kept their phone off the charger for over sixty hours without dying.
The Evo isn't the only phone with a microSD card under the battery; HTC did this because the phone is so tightly packed.
Some people like having a thicker phone. I personally enjoy it. As for the etc, etc, I can't imagine what that's referring to.
Even if you don't use it as a phone, the Evo is still an outstanding media player. With Wifi connectivity, the Android marketplace, and a 4.3 inch screen, it beats most portable media players out there.
The cost is $299 with a mail in rebate if you order it from Sprint. Every other store sells the phone for $199 without any rebates involved.
$110 a month? Only if you need the Hotspot functionality, which is easily duplicated by other apps in the marketplace. You don't NEED to pay those $30 a month. Besides, the Overdrive costs $60 a month to use as a hotspot, and that's it's ONLY function. The Evo is only $80 a month to own, which is still much less expensive than an iPhone.

To answer the OP's question.
No, you cannot change sims. No this phone cannot be used overseas. And No, nothing like it has been announced for Europe as of yet. Sorry for the bad news!
As for the above review, I completely disagree. I love the EVO and I paid the full $450 price tag (not eligible for upgrade/new contract.)
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter how wrong it is.
Oh, and $110 a month is probably unlimited data, calling, and texting right?
I pay $65, 450 minutes, unlimited calling to other mobile phones, unlimited data, unlimited texting, and wifi hotspot thanks to rooting. Hell of a good deal to me! I use about 20 minutes a month (non-cell phone calls.)
I also get about 24 hours on a single charge with moderate use. I swap my battery for a fresh one each day at about 20-30%. So yeah, bad battery life? Sure, turn everything to on and to max and play a video for 6 hours and it'll be dead, but I don't do that and get over a days usage.

"Even if you don't use it as a phone, the Evo is still an outstanding media player. With Wifi connectivity, the Android marketplace, and a 4.3 inch screen, it beats most portable media players out there.
The cost is $299 with a mail in rebate if you order it from Sprint. Every other store sells the phone for $199 without any rebates involved.
$110 a month? Only if you need the Hotspot functionality, which is easily duplicated by other apps in the marketplace. You don't NEED to pay those $30 a month. Besides, the Overdrive costs $60 a month to use as a hotspot, and that's it's ONLY function. The Evo is only $80 a month to own, which is still much less expensive than an iPhone"
I'm guessing you work in the industry or very close to it!
In any case my comments, which are of course purely subjective, were for the benefit of the OP who if I am not mistaken is from the UK (as I am) and as such I believe he is better placed to understand the basis of my comments.
Even at $80 a month which equates to $1920 over the 24 month term + $199 up front (total $2119), that's a rediculous amount to pay for a phone you will have to throw away when you are done with it! Even if it is cheaper than the xPhone!

pa49 said:
Even at $80 a month which equates to $1920 over the 24 month term + $199 up front (total $2119), that's a rediculous amount to pay for a phone you will have to throw away when you are done with it! Even if it is cheaper than the xPhone!
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Doesn't the UK typically have cheaper phones? So if this was released in the UK it would likely cost less than it does here in the states. Then again, if you're looking at importing a US phone because it's the fastest Android phone on the market with the biggest screen and a freakin kick stand, then who gives a crap about how much it costs (I sure didn't.) We all buy what we can afford, only the stupid people buy what they can't afford (hence why most American's, and Greece, are in debt. Yes, I just called a country and most American's stupid.)

Hold on there! What's made you all so jumpy about this issue/phone?
My comparison was with my UK eye and I was simply relaying my thoughts to another UK member who probably has a similar eye.
I've been in the states long enough to understand the US perspective on all this, however, trust me when I say it's alien to us europeans.
That doesn't make it wrong or right, just different.
And I understand just how a good quality kickstand plays it's part as well as the difference in the cost of equipment that each market can sustain/support.
But, this phone would not be entertained anywhere else but the US (and I think some carriers in AUS) so that really ends it all right there, doesn't it?
BTW I hope all you Sprint customers are liking the headsets you got with your EVOs!
Only kidding cos I LUV GOLDEN CORRAL and we've got nothing like that!

pa49 said:
Hold on there! What's made you all so jumpy about this issue/phone?
My comparison was with my UK eye and I was simply relaying my thoughts to another UK member who probably has a similar eye.
I've been in the states long enough to understand the US perspective on all this, however, trust me when I say it's alien to us europeans.
That doesn't make it wrong or right, just different.
And I understand just how a good quality kickstand plays it's part as well as the difference in the cost of equipment that each market can sustain/support.
But, this phone would not be entertained anywhere else but the US (and I think some carriers in AUS) so that really ends it all right there, doesn't it?
BTW I hope all you Sprint customers are liking the headsets you got with your EVOs!
Only kidding cos I LUV GOLDEN CORRAL and we've got nothing like that!
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UK plans and price point will be completely different than the US if they were to have this phone as well right? (Complete hypothetical here, since we know the UK isn't getting this phone, yet.) Plus it would likely be a phone with a swappable sim.
What else about the phone would someone in the UK not like? The 4.3 inch screen? The 8MP rear camera and the front facing camera? The 1ghz Snapdragon processor? The FM Radio? The kickstand? The smooth glass surface? Dual LED flash? Android 2.1? Next generation internet connection?
So the only real negative if it was in the UK, would be the micro SD card under the battery (I've never needed to hot-swap my SD card.), the battery life (mine is over 24 hours a charge with medium-high usage, including hours of streaming Pandora) and the HTC Sync. I've never used the software myself, but I think that there has been an update since release, you might want to give it a go.
Oh, and you knocked Android as an OS as a whole, comparing it to Windows Mobile 6.5 that even Microsoft thinks sucks and has since dropped it. I love the Android OS personally, over BB, WM6.5, and iOS.
Don't try to make him feel better by knocking the EVO because he can't get it in the UK. We know that's what you were trying to do and the thought was nice and all, but the EVO really is the perfect phone.
(Yes, there was sarcasm in there and a jab at fanboyism.)

xoom only COSTS Best Buy $550!! WTF.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ps-to-1199-99-but-it-costs-best-buy-just-550/
So this makes me think that the price will be significantly lower than $1200 or $800. If not at Best Buy, someone else who can deal with less than 40% margins will sell this thing in the $6-700 range.
F*** Best Buy and their either 45% or even more obscene 118% markups.

CNET fed Motorolas ego tremendously when they gave the Xoom best of CES award...

legato89 said:
CNET fed Motorolas ego tremendously when they gave the Xoom best of CES award...
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+1 Clearly it did...
They think they can place apple price point/margin(actually even more than apple!) without any track record to proove it... Its ridicules... They clearly want to gouge the first adopters, and a month later i can guarentee they will drop the price by 200$ (especially when ipad 2 is unveiled...)
Its a sad day that im considering and ipad 2 over xoom/other android 3.0 cause of PRICE.

$1,999 is a placeholder price.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/motorola-xoom-up-for-pre-order-at-best-buy-for-1-199/
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Update: We've heard rumblings that this is indeed just a place holder -- much like the way other companies price products they don't want to sell at ridiculous levels -- and the final price will indeed be the $800 we've heard most consistently to this point.
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Also, it isn't as if the Xoom will be the only quality Honeycomb device out there. If it cost too much for your taste, wait until cheaper 3.0 tablets arrive. Looking at the trend so far most Honeycomb tablets have almost the exact same specifications anyways.

Botero said:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ps-to-1199-99-but-it-costs-best-buy-just-550/
So this makes me think that the price will be significantly lower than $1200 or $800. If not at Best Buy, someone else who can deal with less than 40% margins will sell this thing in the $6-700 range.
F*** Best Buy and their either 45% or even more obscene 118% markups.
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That's crazy. When I worked at Best Buy a few years back, I found little (if any) markup on almost all laptops. Apparently they've decided that the Xoom is a different story.
I'd like to think that purchasing at a Verizon store will be a different story, but I'm sure there are all kinds of deals in place to keep prices uniform across the industry. It would probably be cheaper getting one shipped from Europe.
Oh well. I'm thinking the Galaxy 10.1 looks better than the Xoom anyway, so maybe I'll stick around to see how it turns out.

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That's crazy. When I worked at Best Buy a few years back, I found little (if any) markup on almost all laptops. Apparently they've decided that the Xoom is a different story.
I'd like to think that purchasing at a Verizon store will be a different story, but I'm sure there are all kinds of deals in place to keep prices uniform across the industry. It would probably be cheaper getting one shipped from Europe.
Oh well. I'm thinking the Galaxy 10.1 looks better than the Xoom anyway, so maybe I'll stick around to see how it turns out.
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The Galaxy 10.1 doesn't seem to come with a Sd card slot or even Hdmi port...yikes !

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The Galaxy 10.1 doesn't seem to come with a Sd card slot or even Hdmi port...yikes !
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I hear ya there, SD card slot is a must in my mind for a tablet.
Love the design of the Tab 10.1 though, the backing looks so ergonomic.

If the xoom is locked down to modding like most other motorola stuff, the sd card won't be that big of a draw.
The markup is nuts, hence why I think you may be able to talk bestbuy into doing it out the door for 800, with the mobile service (that you can cancel).
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Didn't motorola state the SD slot on the Xoom wont work until they patch it at a later date? or am i thinking of another CES tab?

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The Galaxy 10.1 doesn't seem to come with a Sd card slot or even Hdmi port...yikes !
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Oh... I didn't realize that. Lame. It's a shame, because the device has a nice look to it.

Xevilious said:
That's crazy. When I worked at Best Buy a few years back, I found little (if any) markup on almost all laptops. Apparently they've decided that the Xoom is a different story.
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BB is probably trying to make some margin on the first few suckers (oops, customers). Expect a big price drop in a few months like the Galaxy tab.

jerrykur said:
BB is probably trying to make some margin on the first few suckers (oops, customers). Expect a big price drop in a few months like the Galaxy tab.
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You do realize a tablet like this would be price controlled by Verizon correct? Verizon controls prices of phones, just like ATT, Sprint, and Apple do.
@Xevilious : little margin is still made on laptops

Yeah god forbid companies try and make a profit on the products they make or sell

Old MuckenMire said:
Yeah god forbid companies try and make a profit on the products they make or sell
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Sirchuk said:
If the xoom is locked down to modding like most other motorola stuff, the sd card won't be that big of a draw.
The markup is nuts, hence why I think you may be able to talk bestbuy into doing it out the door for 800, with the mobile service (that you can cancel).
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Since when did Best Buy negotiate prices on a product like this?
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Yeah god forbid companies try and make a profit on the products they make or sell
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I am all for companies making money. But I must say, knowing that the device cost BB 550$.. I am no longer okay with Verizon forcing me to buy unwanted 3g for a month cranking up the already high price an unnecessary, and frankly incredibly expensive 1GB of data.

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Since when did Best Buy negotiate prices on a product like this?
I am all for companies making money. But I must say, knowing that the device cost BB 550$.. I am no longer okay with Verizon forcing me to buy unwanted 3g for a month cranking up the already high price an unnecessary, and frankly incredibly expensive 1GB of data.
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well you have to take into consideration that BB is probably not going to make a killing on this product. If they were confident that they would sell a lot of Xooms, the price would be less. They would be able to make up for it in volume.
I agree about the mandatory Verizon data but from my understanding you have three days to cancel it and get your money back for that. I myself am going to keep the months worth of data...I've always been with AT&T and am curious about Verizon's service in my area.

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Since when did Best Buy negotiate prices on a product like this?
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You might be surprised what they will do if there is still profit to be made. You can negotiate on just about all big ticket items, especially at the end of the quarter when they want to increase revenue numbers. Never hurts to ask for something like 5 or 10 percent off. Worked for me on a digital camera I wanted and a stove. They took another $200 off my stove, even beat the internet prices I found.
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Old MuckenMire said:
well you have to take into consideration that BB is probably not going to make a killing on this product. If they were confident that they would sell a lot of Xooms, the price would be less. They would be able to make up for it in volume.
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As I said earlier pricing is controlled by Verizon
And that employee cost that you see, is not always the price that Best Buy pays for an item. Tablets that require internet activation are in an entire different realm of pricing structures (especially since this is a Verizon tablet).
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You might be surprised what they will do if there is still profit to be made. You can negotiate on just about all big ticket items, especially at the end of the quarter when they want to increase revenue numbers. Never hurts to ask for something like 5 or 10 percent off. Worked for me on a digital camera I wanted and a stove. They took another $200 off my stove, even beat the internet prices I found.
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Only way money is coming off the xoom is price matching verizon, which is going to be selling it at the same price

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As I said earlier pricing is controlled by Verizon
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trust me, BB gives it's opinion to Verizon on what it wants to sell any given item for in their store and Verizon takes that opinion into account when pricing. BB doesn't have to carry any given device.... and Verizon or any other carrier has to work with them on price(as well as many other aspects) if Verizon wants that device in store. You can be sure Verizon's pricing would be different if they anticipated BB would sell tons more of them than they will currently.
All I am saying is this: if this tab was going to sell like the iPad, the price would be less. Verizon nor BB have the luxury of making their profit thru volume with this device.

Old MuckenMire said:
trust me, BB gives it's opinion to Verizon on what it wants to sell any given item for in their store and Verizon takes that opinion into account when pricing. BB doesn't have to carry any given device.... and Verizon or any other carrier has to work with them on price(as well as many other aspects) if Verizon wants that device in store. You can be sure Verizon's pricing would be different if they anticipated BB would sell tons more of them than they will currently.
All I am saying is this: if this tab was going to sell like the iPad, the price would be less. Verizon nor BB have the luxury of making their profit thru volume with this device.
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I know Best buy gives its opinion, but at the end of the day, its out of my hand. There are certain things like I said, that are price controlled regardless of how much Best Buy buys the item from. I'm sure Verizon also wants best buy to sell tons of xooms. During this past holiday I saw more people sold on buying tablets than laptops, sure the initial price is high, relative to what you get, but I'm sure it will come down.
And for what its worth, even though people here are complaining about the high price, this device will be extremely popular.
That being said if I see anything more in best buys system I'll try and post/make note of it

Are you mad about no 4G?

If you're tired of waiting for 4G you might be able to take Verizon and/or Motorola to small claims court. I think that in NJ you can represent yourself but they, as a Corporation, must bring a lawyer to court.
Any lawyers on the forum that know what can be done? My wife once took a former employer to small claims over a breach of contract and got a couple of thousand dollars that they didn't pay her. She whupped their legal consul.

You're on the Internet.
http://google.com/search?q=small+claims+suit+faq+new+jersey

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You're on the Internet.
http://google.com/search?q=small+claims+suit+faq+new+jersey
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So do we have a case? I bought a wifi Xoom from bestbuy and at the time their website highlighted the micro-sd card and their, ahem, knowledgable salesman actually touted it as a sales point.
If not for BRD and Team Tiamat, I'd be mighty PO'd. You'd think that Motorola's marketing team is staffed by used car salesmen.

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So do we have a case? I bought a wifi Xoom from bestbuy and at the time their website highlighted the micro-sd card and their, ahem, knowledgable salesman actually touted it as a sales point.
If not for BRD and Team Tiamat, I'd be mighty PO'd. You'd think that Motorola's marketing team is staffed by used car salesmen.
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Just to point this out, Best Buy mistakenly or deliberately advertising the sdcard as available when Motorola's press had it as awaiting a software update is nobody's responsibility but Best Buy.

>So do we have a case?
No. Anybody who would ask for free legal advice from some dude on some online forum is not qualified to bring a suit against anybody about anything.
More to the point, if you think you have a case, you would not be asking me if I think you have a case.

Am I mad about no 4G? Not anymore, MiFi 4G LTE ftmfw!!!
Thanks VZW, for making things right....

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>So do we have a case?
No. Anybody who would ask for free legal advice from some dude on some online forum is not qualified to bring a suit against anybody about anything.
More to the point, if you think you have a case, you would not be asking me if I think you have a case.
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Gee, don't take it that seriously.

Stone 13 said:
Am I mad about no 4G? Not anymore, MiFi 4G LTE ftmfw!!!
Thanks VZW, for making things right....
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Did VZW give you the mifi or tap your wallet for it or require a 2 year commitment? How does the monthly fee and allotted bandwidth compare to the plan for a tablet?

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Did VZW give you the mifi or tap your wallet for it or require a 2 year commitment? How does the monthly fee and allotted bandwidth compare to the plan for a tablet?
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Got the mifi at a heavy discount, all I'll say is after the mail in rebate, I paid about 30 bucks for it. After days of *****ing, it took the place of my xoom on the existing 2yr plan so no new contract.
Data plans are the same between mifi and the xoom as far as I can tell, I was always on the 5GB data plan. Once I removed insurance on the xoom, I end up saving a few bucks every month which will more than cover the price I paid for the mifi overall. I'll warn anyone that LTE will eat your bandwidth very, very quickly. I burned thru over 1GB in about 30 minutes just screwing around. 4G is waaay overpriced, but for my work, I need it.
I did have to pay the activation fee on the mifi despite how hard I tried to get it waived, and I've been a customer for over 10yrs with 5 lines. Once the lte upgrade happens, or a suitable wifi tablet is available, the xoom goes up for sale.
I should have gone with the mifi + wifi tablet option from the start and it's what I'll be recommending to everyone looking for this kind of solution.
I'll also say that LTE on the mifi absolutely rocks, 5+ hrs of battery life and the device takes up virtually no space in my bag. I'm averaging about 16MB/s down & 14 up. I don't expect those speeds everywhere I go but it's a MAJOR improvement over 3G, the upload speed is faster than my friggin cable modem which ain't slow by most standards....

i don't care...I mean who really wants to pay for 4g anyway. I'm happy with the wifi only version

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i don't care...I mean who really wants to pay for 4g anyway. I'm happy with the wifi only version
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Still, they lied about the micro-sd card. If not for the Devs, and being willing to violate your warranty, you would not have this. I don't like being lied to.

F that. I paid for a Xoom that would have LTE and ol Sanjay said that it would justify the price on it. Give me LTE. Maybe the small claims idea isn't terrible.
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Still, they lied about the micro-sd card. If not for the Devs, and being willing to violate your warranty, you would not have this. I don't like being lied to.
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I would argue that Verizon did not lie, they underestimated the complexity of the issue. Software features going over schedule happens all the time. Verizon has made mistakes (though the sd-card issue is a Google issue, not Verizon) and should be communicating with their users better, but they did not lie to us.

I barely care a lick if I get LTE, but the fact that LTE was one of the main reasons for the Xoom's high price annoys me greatly, especially given that we'll probably see other 4G devices at a lower price on the market soon (if they aren't available already).

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I would argue that Verizon did not lie, they underestimated the complexity of the issue. Software features going over schedule happens all the time. Verizon has made mistakes (though the sd-card issue is a Google issue, not Verizon) and should be communicating with their users better, but they did not lie to us.
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To me there is little difference between breaking a promise and lying, especially when they took our money. If not for the excellent work by Team Tiamat and BRD, I'd be pretty steamed. These devs do a better job than Motorola and they don't have the oem source code.

bummer
... especially since there's a new Motorola device with different dimensions (slightly) and an LTE radio that got FCC approval today or at some other recent point in time.
The problem you guys will probably have is that Motorola/Verizon have both said that the device is "LTE upgradeable." What you need to do is look at your purchase agreement or your contract to see what it says about that, because if they don't have anything more than "we will upgrade the device when possible," you aren't going to have much of a claim because you bought it knowing that they would at some point in time.
Now, if they don't ever upgrade it, then you can go bang down the doors of the courts but other than that, there's really no point.
I really feel for you guys because they really laid it on thick with the LTE gimmick, but it's never a good idea to buy something based on a seller's future promise to upgrade at no certain point in time.

sbrownla said:
... especially since there's a new Motorola device with different dimensions (slightly) and an LTE radio that got FCC approval today or at some other recent point in time.
The problem you guys will probably have is that Motorola/Verizon have both said that the device is "LTE upgradeable." What you need to do is look at your purchase agreement or your contract to see what it says about that, because if they don't have anything more than "we will upgrade the device when possible," you aren't going to have much of a claim because you bought it knowing that they would at some point in time.
Now, if they don't ever upgrade it, then you can go bang down the doors of the courts but other than that, there's really no point.
I really feel for you guys because they really laid it on thick with the LTE gimmick, but it's never a good idea to buy something based on a seller's future promise to upgrade at no certain point in time.
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I do think there was something said about 90 days? With that being said since i bought it from VZW they better refund my money if i want it. If there is something wrong with their equipment provider (Motorola) not being able to keep their promise then that is VZW's problem to take up with them not mine. Now had i bought it straight from Motorola than that is different.
This would be almost like the warranty on your phone if something is wrong take it to VZW they replace it you don't send it to Motorola.

I'm not infuriated over no 4G. I barely use the 3G on mine cause of the lowest tier data plan. I'd probably lug mine around more if I had the 4G but then I'm sure I'd go over my GB pretty quick on it. I'm a little mad about basically being kept in the dark about this and the SD but it's not the end of the world. If Moto really drops a Xoom 2 with 4G/SD before I get it then we might have an issue. Looks possible.

Not mad for several reasons...
1. I don't live in an LTE area and don't think it'll be here this year.
2. Battery life would probably be worse on LTE, but that's speculation...
3. I would easily eat up my 3 GB cap on LTE.
4. I use it with wi-fi most of the time at home, where I like to browse sans desk or plug.

I have the 3gB plan too but plan to dump it and get a 4G phone with a $30 unlimited tether plan. I'm going to wait a few weeks for the bionic but if it isn't here by mid August, I'm going to get the Charge.
This is far better than any of the tablet plans.

Why are the prices higher?

I was thinking about it and its one of 2 things imo. I think they are using the extra bucks for the future LTE expansion, building towers and whatnot. But most likely they are a bunch of grubby pricks that want to nickel and dime us
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I've read through a lot of the huge thread, and a lot of people were saying that t-mobile tends to offer the new, hip device for an outrageous cost for the first few weeks.
If you are a current customer you might have luck calling customer service and passively threatening to switch carriers. Many people here have had luck getting $200 off the phone and a few other perks. The last 10 pages of so of the big thread are full of those stories.
I bought the phone outright. The value plan I'm on is sweet- I'm saving $450 over 2 years.

Lets hope for the first and realize this phone is actually a phone that I might keep for the 2 years for a 1st haha. There is no real reason I don't think except the fact that T-Mobile has the cheaper of the plans when it comes to the competing 3, so the 80$ more that I have to spend to get the phone compared to the 25-50$ a month I save (comparing to my friends who have Verizon and At&t I'm okay with the difference... But still wish it wasn't the case.

I'm rocking the Motorola Cliq. This phone is going to seem so amazingly quick. If I can get 2 1/2 years out of a pos phone like the Cliq I can get 2 years out of this sexy phone.
I'm just happy that I am still out of contract.

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I'm rocking the Motorola Cliq. This phone is going to seem so amazingly quick. If I can get 2 1/2 years out of a pos phone like the Cliq I can get 2 years out of this sexy phone.
I'm just happy that I am still out of contract.
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GOOOooo should've went to the G1 haha.

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GOOOooo should've went to the G1 haha.
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I almost did! I didn't want to move away from the qwerty keyboard. I've spent so much time on the computer in the last year I couldn't justify another partial upgrade. I was so close to buying an iPhone (they get upgrades, my cliq is like 1.8 or some lousy shiat) and then the SGSIII came along. I haven't slept in weeks. It's like the raspberry pi all over again.

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I was thinking about it and its one of 2 things imo. I think they are using the extra bucks for the future LTE expansion, building towers and whatnot. But most likely they are a bunch of grubby pricks that want to nickel and dime us
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Spit-balling...
T-Mobile's Value plan is supposed to encourage customer's to avoid the recent spate of aggressive phone upgrades, and they are realizing that smartphone users are unaffected by the economic argument as the situation stands.
The phones actually are more expensive than we tend to think, and even "no-commitment" pricing has been subsidized.
The worldwide currency shifts have affected the cost of phones, and most carriers have been reluctant to reflect reality in a highly competitive market.
High demand and low supply resulted in either a money-grab or an attempt to prevent people from buying up the limited supply and selling on eBay (the latter being, admittedly, unlikely given the nature of the mobile market).
Executives have started to notice that the "free phone" weekends have been eating into profits and T-Mobile is attempting to capitalize on eager buyers that clearly aren't willing to wait until the inevitable deal comes along.
The unusual modem and/or overall lower volume of T-Mobile's sales meant that they weren't able to negotiate a deal as aggressive as the larger players.
T-Mobile has an interest in seeing HTC succeed and are attempting to subtly curb the Goliath that is Samsung in an attempt to keep their leverage going.
Pricing is not related to anything other than an attempt to place devices into tiers (with the S2 at $550, the One S at $600, and the S3 as the perceived-best phone), and they didn't expect a backlash against the better phones costing more money.
T-Mobile is attempting to expand its image as the "value" service by leaving room for negotiation so that bargain-conscious customers talk them up.
Don't take any of the above too seriously. It is kind of late, I haven't put much thought into it, and I've had a lot to drink.
In any case, relative value is relative value. I don't care that Redbox is losing money renting to me for $0.70, it makes me unwilling to pay for Blockbuster Express at $3. I don't care that an album costs $7 at my preferred service of Amazon MP3, I am unwilling to buy because Google Music has it $4. At the end of the day, the (vocal) minority of us that hang it forums like this will sweat the price difference because we spend all of our time comparing like items.
It isn't even remotely fair to T-Mobile (or whomever), but it is human.

Voltage Spike said:
Spit-balling...
T-Mobile's Value plan is supposed to encourage customer's to avoid the recent spate of aggressive phone upgrades, and they are realizing that smartphone users are unaffected by the economic argument as the situation stands.
The phones actually are more expensive than we tend to think, and even "no-commitment" pricing has been subsidized.
The worldwide currency shifts have affected the cost of phones, and most carriers have been reluctant to reflect reality in a highly competitive market.
High demand and low supply resulted in either a money-grab or an attempt to prevent people from buying up the limited supply and selling on eBay (the latter being, admittedly, unlikely given the nature of the mobile market).
Executives have started to notice that the "free phone" weekends have been eating into profits and T-Mobile is attempting to capitalize on eager buyers that clearly aren't willing to wait until the inevitable deal comes along.
The unusual modem and/or overall lower volume of T-Mobile's sales meant that they weren't able to negotiate a deal as aggressive as the larger players.
T-Mobile has an interest in seeing HTC succeed and are attempting to subtly curb the Goliath that is Samsung in an attempt to keep their leverage going.
Pricing is not related to anything other than an attempt to place devices into tiers (with the S2 at $550, the One S at $600, and the S3 as the perceived-best phone), and they didn't expect a backlash against the better phones costing more money.
T-Mobile is attempting to expand its image as the "value" service by leaving room for negotiation so that bargain-conscious customers talk them up.
Don't take any of the above too seriously. It is kind of late, I haven't put much thought into it, and I've had a lot to drink.
In any case, relative value is relative value. I don't care that Redbox is losing money renting to me for $0.70, it makes me unwilling to pay for Blockbuster Express at $3. I don't care that an album costs $7 at my preferred service of Amazon MP3, I am unwilling to buy because Google Music has it $4. At the end of the day, the (vocal) minority of us that hang it forums like this will sweat the price difference because we spend all of our time comparing like items.
It isn't even remotely fair to T-Mobile (or whomever), but it is human.
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I wish I could write so eloquently when drunk. What's your fark handle?

It's sort of amazing to see people complaining about the "high" price without factoring in the total price of the contract or looking at the ETF. Worrisome.

Last year the GS2 and Amaze 4G were priced in the mid $200s so this seems pretty normal for T-mobile. T-mobile has also mused about contract pricing and how it is affecting their competitiveness and bottomline. Since the phone is untouched mostly there were probably other concessions that T-mobile wanted with Samsung on pricing. Then of course this phone is even more feature packed than the last, and you can't remove components once you place it in your previous flagship model (the GS2) so they are getting more and more expensive.
I don't think ETF factors much, unless you are some crazy person who likes to break contracts all the time and can't wait out the 2 years. T-mobile contract prices are lower, sure, but not by much.

Why doesn't anyone incorporate how much the plans cost prior to complaining about the cost of the phone?
I remember reading somewhere that stated studies show customers are more prone to sign with a carrier based on the price of the phone instead of the rate plan.
Let's wise up, fellas. Don't be a poor consumer.

tmobile is the only company selling the phone at this point, and in limited markets at that. I am wondering if they're selling the phone at such a high price in the beggining because they know they can. Look at the overwhelming demand coupled with such a limited supply. It's an easy cash cow. Im wondering if I should wait out and see if the price will go down in the next few weeks. ATT and Sprint are both selling 32gb at 600 and tmobile is selling them at 670 but like I said before Tmobile is the only one selling them at this point and they're pretty much done in Manhattan (i called a bunch of stores already).

ttngu234 said:
Why doesn't anyone incorporate how much the plans cost prior to complaining about the cost of the phone?
I remember reading somewhere that stated studies show customers are more prone to sign with a carrier based on the price of the phone instead of the rate plan.
Let's wise up, fellas. Don't be a poor consumer.
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The purchase of the phone is the only time they have to fork out a bunch of money so it makes sense that the cost will drive many consumers. For the most part, the rate plan costs are similar across the market. Yes, Verizon is the most expensive but they have a reputation for offering the best network and that allows them to charge a premium.

Sergent D said:
The purchase of the phone is the only time they have to fork out a bunch of money so it makes sense that the cost will drive many consumers. For the most part, the rate plan costs are similar across the market. Yes, Verizon is the most expensive but they have a reputation for offering the best network and that allows them to charge a premium.
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Not really. AT&T and Verizon are both equally expensive, and while Sprint is a bit cheaper (comparable unlimited talk/text plans closest to T-Mobile's 5GB web/tethering in this case), you're still paying a substantially bigger amount over the 2 years even with a cheaper phone.

[Q] Nexus 4 cost - Google taking a loss?

At $300 for 8GB of storage and $350 for 16 GB of storage, the Nexus 4 is an incredible piece of technology for a very reasonable price. Compare this to the unlocked Galaxy S4 at $650 or the HTC One at $600, also available from Google Play. The hardware differences in the more expensive phones are:
- Super AMOLD LCD (vs. IPS LCD on Nexus 4)
- Polycarbonate body (vs. glass on Nexus 4)
- More built in storage (32 GB on S4, 16 GB on HTC One, although you can get a 16 GB N4 for $50 more)
- Better camera on the S4 (13 megapixels while HTC One and N4 have 8)
- MicroSD slot (no MicroSD slot on N4)
- Stereo speakers on the HTC One
- LTE 4G on S4
I don't see how the above list could explain nearly the nearly double price difference from the Nexus 4 to the S4 or the HTC One. Sure, the MicroSD slot, extra memory, and probably the polycarbonate certainly account for some of the price difference, but not double. I'm also skeptical that any custom software/skins on the S4 or HTC One would make up the difference.
Maybe Google is undercutting the others in its own store to drive customers to its own device. Or maybe Samsung and HTC purposely "enforce" a high retail price to work with carriers who offer subsidized phones with two year contracts. Do all S4 and HTC Ones come with radios for both GSM and CDMA? I can see the radios being an expensive piece of hardware, so maybe only including a GSM radio is helping to keep costs low.

I'm pretty sure that the production cost of these phones are quite similar. Probably around the $200 range.
So is Google taking a loss at selling the N4 at $299/$349? Probably not. They're probably not making much profit per device compared to Samsung or HTC though.
Is LG taking a loss by manufacturing the N4? Definitely not. LG has no reason to effectively give Google a phone to sell at a loss. They definitely have some sort of contract in place such that LG profits from this relationship. Besides, outside of Google Play, the price of the N4 is marked up.
How do we justify the cost of the Google edition S4 and HTC1 versus the N4?
Easy. The prices are simply marked up by Samsung and HTC. They happen to want more profit per device than the N4. So at the end of the day, is the S4 or HTC1 $300 better than the N4? Definitely not. It's just a matter of Samsung and HTC wanting more of your money.

HTC One is now $49 from AT&T with 2 year contracts.

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HTC One is now $49 from AT&T with 2 year contracts.
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That's a pretty solid deal for the One. However I don't believe it's Google's stock edition. That can only be found on the play store.

It's really do believe that they are selling it close to a loss, if not at a loss. There's just so much hardware there.
The thing you need to ask yourself is why. Why would Google sell such a great phone for SO cheap? Well, for one, it's not doing it solely for the profits like the other guys so the prices aren't insanely inflated. They do it to promote development on Android, to show what pure AOSP looks like (now the Google Edition phones also do this), and also to bring more end users into the Android environment. Make a high-end, affordable smartphone and more people will be willing to switch OS's. Plus, they don't spend millions upon millions promoting this phone like those other competitors do.
There are many reasons why it's cheaper and why Google continues to sell it. I just hope they continue with the Nexus line. Those new Google Edition phones have me worried about the future of the Nexus line. I hope it's not an indicator that they will stop making Nexii (?) in a few generations.

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They do it to promote development on Android, to show what pure AOSP looks like (now the Google Edition phones also do this), and also to bring more end users into the Android environment. Make a high-end, affordable smartphone and more people will be willing to switch OS's. Plus, they don't spend millions upon millions promoting this phone like those other competitors do.
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Agreed! This is what I was thinking about this morning as well. The price is compelling enough to even have iOS fan boys and developers to give it a try. And yeah, their advertising is much less. I probably wouldn't have heard of the Nexus 4 if one of my friends hadn't told me all about it. Google probably isn't taking a loss, but the margin can't be all that great either.
I'm just happy there is an affordable unlocked phone on the market with great hardware. I've never been a fan of the subsidized two-year contract. What other service locks you in for two years? With the affordable yet powerful Nexus 4 and T-Mobile (one of the "Big 4" carriers) doing away with contracts, the other carriers will be forced to adapt sooner or later.

Google doesn't need the money from selling Nexus devices. They can make it back from advertising.
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In demand smart phones have historically garnered lots of money from subsidies. It is the main reason why they are a major cash cow for Samsung and Apple. Their other products have no where near the margins of an iPhone or S3/4. As long as people keep paying $100/month cell phone bills in order to get their next to free flagship phone every two years, I doubt this will change.
Kudos to folks like Google, T-Mobile, and a number of MVNO's that are trying to bring more fair pricing to consumers than the AT&T's and Verizon's of the world, but the reality is that most folks are still paying way too much for devices and service.

Solutions Etcetera said:
In demand smart phones have historically garnered lots of money from subsidies. It is the main reason why they are a major cash cow for Samsung and Apple. Their other products have no where near the margins of an iPhone or S3/4. As long as people keep paying $100/month cell phone bills in order to get their next to free flagship phone every two years, I doubt this will change.
Kudos to folks like Google, T-Mobile, and a number of MVNO's that are trying to bring more fair pricing to consumers than the AT&T's and Verizon's of the world, but the reality is that most folks are still paying way too much for devices and service.
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Is $100/month a genuine possibility or an exaggeration? Either way, the US carrier monopoly is extremely messed up. Over here in the UK you won't find very many carrier exclusive/branded phones at all, and the same goes for most other parts of the world. I feel sorry for anyone who has to carry around a device with a Verizon, AT&T or Sprint logo placed anywhere on their devices. The entire idea of it just seems stupid to me.

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Is $100/month a genuine possibility or an exaggeration?
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Heh heh... it is not an exaggeration. Most EU member agencies are far more consumer oriented than the US, who pretty much just lets capitalism reign supreme. The FCC is a joke when it comes to Cable and Cell providers (my cable/internet bill is $160/month... I watch three channels, ESPN, ESPN2, and GOLF from their lineup that I can't get OTA, but to have HD I have to sign for a hundred+ channel package).

Solutions Etcetera said:
Heh heh... it is not an exaggeration. Most EU member agencies are far more consumer oriented than the US, who pretty much just lets capitalism reign supreme. The FCC is a joke when it comes to Cable and Cell providers (my cable/internet bill is $160/month... I watch three channels, ESPN, ESPN2, and GOLF from their lineup that I can't get OTA, but to have HD I have to sign for a hundred+ channel package).
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Wow, $100/month for a phone comes out to twice what it would here in the UK. My dad got a GS3 when it was new for free on a £35/month ($50/month) contract, and even that's a bad deal to me. I'm currently paying £10/month ($15) for 250 mins, unlimited texts and 1GB of data which is pretty damn good compared to what you can get in the US. I'd assume the $100/month contracts at least have unlimited everything right?
Oh and OP sorry for the off-topic

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I'd assume the $100/month contracts at least have unlimited everything right?
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Minutes yes, data no (unless you have one of the coveted grandfathered data plans from before the point where the big three decided unlimited was a bad idea). Now a days, "unlimited" data plans mean vague "fair use" policies and throttling once you hit their cap. Sure you have "unlimited" data, but what use is it when they throttle it down to 3G or even 2G once you reach a given point.