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As the title suggests, I have a screen defect on my Galaxy Note 2. I swear, I did not do this. I have never dropped my phone, I've had an otterbox case since I've bought it. I cherished my little gem, always put her down gently. I never threw it about, I was far beyond cautious.
Anyway, the issue happened sometime on Sunday the 2nd of December between the hours of 06:15 and 10:00am. During the early hours of a British morning; It was around -5c where I live. Before I left at 5:00am, the phone was in pristine condition. Not a single hair, speck of dust or fingerprint gleaming in the light. I had this in my pocket for the journey and came home at the mention hours, (6:15am.) I then placed my Galaxy Note 2 on my bench press bench, and went back to bed. Upon waking, to my horror; There was this monstrosity of a crack. Now, I know there are many naysayers around, "Glass just wont crack on its own, HURH," but let me tell you, it can.
As soon as I noticed this crack, I was straight on the phone to my service provider (Which is O2-UK,) and booked it in for a repair / collection. All was dandy, it was collected and arrived at the service center. Now, today - on the 4th of December 2012; They are saying that I am out of warranty. At this comment, I saw red. This is a 3 month phone, pristine condition; No marks, no bashes IMMACULATE bar the screen. I wrote out a detailed report stating what has happened but to no avail. The supposed, "Engineer" at the O2 repair center has filed the report of, "Accidental damage."
Now, in what way is that accidental damage? I CLEARLY stated what happened, I even went as far to get an Affidavit at my own expense. I then asked if I could have the engineer's report, but no. As an O2 customer, we are not allowed the filed, "Reports" that ascertain to our own property. I quoted segments of the Data protection act, as well as legislation and regulations of the Sales of Goods Act of 1979 (amended,) which clearly state that I am well within my rights. I was quoted £110 for the screen repair but hell will freeze over before I pay that.
I'm without a phone now, I can easily get it back if I pay the fees. I have wrote a formal letter, as well as an email stating that they are in fact in breach of the Sales of Goods Act, as well as the Data Protection Act. I have given them a week to reply to my letter. I am going to be seeing a solicitor in the coming days, as well as the CAB (Citizens advice bureau,) just to get support.
To reiterate this thread: I have not damaged my phone in any way. This is clearly a manufacturing defect which O2 are held responsible for, (See the Sales of Goods Act. The retailer (In this case O2,) is held liable for checking every product they sell.)
I shall keep you kind folks posted as to what happens. However, for now; I am not paying my pay monthly bill until this is sorted. As I told the O2 representative this; I was informed that I would have legal action taken against me. What do I say? Bring it on.
EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dc9c5YFyovU <--- This video shows what the Galaxy Note 2 can withstand. This is my silver lining to win this case. The phone is not for the purpose of, despite what Samsung say. Win
Not taking sides, but I'll say this; a similar thing happened with my HOX but HTC sent me a brand new one. I've yet to have a problem with my Note but can only hope Samsung will be as good as HTC with returns. But for every good case you hear of a bad one.
Regardless - I feel your pain. Good luck.
BTW I bought both my OneX and my Note via O2 (yes I have 2 running redundant contracts) but I didn't go through O2 with my problems. I'd rather slam me knob in a car door.
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jetsetwilly said:
Not taking sides, but I'll say this; a similar thing happened with my HOX but HTC sent me a brand new one. I've yet to have a problem with my Note but can only hope Samsung will be as good as HTC with returns. But for every good case you hear of a bad one.
Regardless - I feel your pain. Good luck.
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Cheers man. When you drop a phone, you'd expect the screen to spider. This is not the case. It's an immaculate hairline fracture. I'm debating whether to get them to send it back to me, so I can take pictures and document it further. During this, I can get it repaired third party and charge O2. I really don't know until I get a reply. All I can say is i'm fuming.
I would focus some attention to how apple deal with hairline cracks on their handsets and ipod touch's. They can tell what is caused from a manufacturing defect and what is accidental damage.
Also ask if O2's own repair facility checked the phone or Samsung themselves. If not the later get the phone back and send it Samsung.
S.
Sent from my Samsung Note II.
Tomo1971 said:
I would focus some attention to how apple deal with hairline cracks on their handsets and ipod touch's. They can tell what is caused from a manufacturing defect and what is accidental damage.
Also ask if O2's own repair facility checked the phone or Samsung themselves. If not the later get the phone back and send it Samsung.
S.
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It's O2's repair center that have my phone. I can't send it to Samsung, as they aren't binded by the regulations which I have described. O2 are in breach of 3 regulations, all in one day.
I have since resent another email showing the video that I posted in my edit. This video depicts the durability of the Galaxy Note 2. This alone is evidence that the device is not fit for the purpose of, which - Under the Sales of Good Act 1979 amended, I am entitled to repair / replace / refurbishment / refund FREE of charge as I, as a customer; Am not satisfied with the quality.
I must admit, as much as I hate Apple - Their procedure for repair and replacement is vastly superior than Samsung's.
I've since found out that this also falls under the EU Directive 1999/44/EC
(If a defect appears during the first six months following purchase the consumer will not have to prove the product was defective at the moment of delivery. The onus will be on the seller to prove the product was without defect. A consumer will have up to two months following the discovery of the fault to inform the seller. If a defect becomes apparent within the two, or one year, period depending on the type of goods, then the consumer has the right to choose a remedy using the following hierarchy. They can
· Demand repair or replacement within a reasonable time and without any significant inconvenience. (Free of charge repair refers to the necessary costs to bring the goods “back to conformity”)
· If this is impossible, unproportionate or cannot be done within a reasonable time or without significant inconvenience then the consumer can demand a price reduction or can rescind the contract (though not if the defect is minor)
All these rights are free of charge to the customer.)
Basically, as it's been 3 months - O2 HAVE to prove that I caused the damage, which will never happen - AS I DID NOT DO THE DAMAGE lol... I resent an email containing hundreds of links with similar devices (All Samsung ironically,) so shall see what happens. Looking optimistic now it's time for bed!
I'm not talking about the regulations though, Samsung will have the expertise to say if it's a manufacturing fault or consider it accidental damage. Why not give them a call and ask the question.
You can send the phone to an authorised Samsung repair center yourself. Get the phone back and get the details from Samsung of your nearest center.
S.
Sent from my Samsung Note II.
Tomo1971 said:
I'm not talking about the regulations though, Samsung will have the expertise to say if it's a manufacturing fault or consider it accidental damage. Why not give them a call and ask the question.
You can send the phone to an authorised Samsung repair center yourself. Get the phone back and get the details from Samsung of your nearest center.
S.
Sent from my Samsung Note II.
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I'm aware that I can go directly to Samsung, however if I do; I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. I would have to prove, that it is in fact a screen defect.
Samsung themselves have stated that LCD's are not covered by warranty, and will cost to have it repaired. The amount of threads I have read regarding Samsung products and Samsung not giving a damn astounds me.
Anyway, as I've stated, my issue at hand is with O2, who are the retailer. It is their job to ensure that all products which are sold via them, don't have any deficiencies. Now, we all know that retailers don't inspect their products - hence the reason why they usually repair / replace straight away.
The O2 repair center, as far as I believe - have contracts with manufacturers and follow their guidelines as to what can be repaired under warranty.
I'm being pedantic and doing this by the book. I will not let myself get bullied in to submission. The majority of customer's don't want the hassle, they're also unaware of their statutory rights.
I appreciate what you're suggesting, however in my case - going straight to Samsung is a bad move.
I've since emailed the CEO, CFO and COO of O2 UK. I figured why stop at the boss? I shall await further contact and shall keep this thread updated.
Suicidal Chicken said:
I've since emailed the CEO, CFO and COO of O2 UK. I figured why stop at the boss? I shall await further contact and shall keep this thread updated.
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I too have been experiencing same issue as Op. no physical damage no abuse on my part (phone is literally 6 days old at this point). Taking it to my carrier seems hopeless so I called Samsung and they gave me waybill and incident report. Contmplating sending to them now or just fix on own, as I have seen Siii owners do with removing just the glass.
What you guys think?
jay_droid said:
I too have been experiencing same issue as Op. no physical damage no abuse on my part (phone is literally 6 days old at this point). Taking it to my carrier seems hopeless so I called Samsung and they gave me waybill and incident report. Contmplating sending to them now or just fix on own, as I have seen Siii owners do with removing just the glass.
What you guys think?
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Get in touch with your provider's CEO. Seriously, the higher you go; the better your experience shall be.
Sounds like a fault in the glass from the start, the pressure of touch on the screen over time has caused the minute fracture to enlarge.
You'd be hard pressed to cause it to do that from dropping it, dropping something on it, flexing it etc. - in those cases I would assume it to just spider.
Does the Otterbox have a rigid front cover? If so, any possibility it could have applied pressure unevenly?
kempas said:
Sounds like a fault in the glass from the start, the pressure of touch on the screen over time has caused the minute fracture to enlarge.
You'd be hard pressed to cause it to do that from dropping it, dropping something on it, flexing it etc. - in those cases I would assume it to just spider.
Does the Otterbox have a rigid front cover? If so, any possibility it could have applied pressure unevenly?
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My friend has emailed me pictures of when he dropped his Galaxy Note 2. There is spidering all over the screen as well as impact damage.
We know this to be true, I just hope the CEO's assistant can kick some ass.
The otterbox doesn't apply much pressure at all, there's no way that could cause the crack even if it had a vice grip. I'm just waiting patiently.
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Get in touch with your provider's CEO. Seriously, the higher you go; the better your experience shall be.
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Here's the thing I work for my provider in another department separate to mobile. I don't think going that far is gonna go over well
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jay_droid said:
Here's the thing I work for my provider in another department separate to mobile. I don't think going that far is gonna go over well
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Haha, oh **** man. I really don't know what to suggest. I would still say getting in contact with the CEO as a customer would get you somewhere. Despite the fact that you're an employee of your service provider,
Hi ,
O2 quoted £110 for a repaire. Are you aware if that was the actual replacement of the front glass or just a fix? Due to me recently cracking the front glass on my note 2 I have to send it to samsung to have it repaired and fixed and cwnt find a clesr answer as to how nuch they will charge. Down to your issue its poor customer service on o2's part. From what you have said they will be forced to show you the information unless of course they have t&c's in their contract agreements. But to be fair I used to work for Orange and they would issue copies of the repair reports as far as I am aware.
I hope you get the resolution your looking for .
J
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jordanprudent said:
Hi ,
O2 quoted £110 for a repaire. Are you aware if that was the actual replacement of the front glass or just a fix? Due to me recently cracking the front glass on my note 2 I have to send it to samsung to have it repaired and fixed and cwnt find a clesr answer as to how nuch they will charge. Down to your issue its poor customer service on o2's part. From what you have said they will be forced to show you the information unless of course they have t&c's in their contract agreements. But to be fair I used to work for Orange and they would issue copies of the repair reports as far as I am aware.
I hope you get the resolution your looking for .
J
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Hey man. I don't know at all, I've not been told anything regarding what needs replaced or repaired. I imagine that it'll be the whole Glass, LCD and Digitiser replacement as their "engineer's" are pretty incompetent. I've checked the T&C over and over again, there's nothing that says i'm not entitled to reports, even if there was - Under the Data Protection Act I'm entitled to it. It's been a whole f*ck up and I woke up today, with the feeling of, "F*ck it;" You know? I'm only still fighting as it's principle.
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Hey man. I don't know at all, I've not been told anything regarding what needs replaced or repaired. I imagine that it'll be the whole Glass, LCD and Digitiser replacement as their "engineer's" are pretty incompetent. I've checked the T&C over and over again, there's nothing that says i'm not entitled to reports, even if there was - Under the Data Protection Act I'm entitled to it. It's been a whole f*ck up and I woke up today, with the feeling of, "F*ck it;" You know? I'm only still fighting as it's principle.
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Fight till the end. Mother ****ers!
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Do you have any pictures of the crack? I only ask as I have had a VERY similar thing happen to my Note 2 also from O2. My defect (because that's what it is, I haven't caused this, haven't dropped it etc) looks like a smudge in the bottom right hand corner of the screen and if you wipe with a cloth it seems to disappear. But if you wipe the screen with a wet finger you can clearly see what appears to be a single hairline crack from the edge of the screen across the corner of the phone to the home button. 1 hairline crack. Now you can't feel this crack with your fingernail and you cannot see it with the screen on. It's almost like there is a smudge under the screen but if you wipe it enough with a cloth it does disappear (it's very strange). Most people can't even notice it I have to point it out to them.
I did contemplate sending it back to buymobilephones.net under their 30 day warranty but I've heard horror stories of phones going missing, getting a refurbed one back that was worse than the one they sent or them saying I've done it and charging me for repair etc. I've decided to live with it and if it gets any worse I'll claim on my insurance. I'm just curious to see if it's a similar issue to what you have.
I'll try and take a picture but tbh I don't think you'd be able to see anything as it's hard enough when looking directly at it. But I know it's there, and that annoys me slightly.
quertiy said:
Fight till the end. Mother ****ers!
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Hell yea brother!
iouk said:
Do you have any pictures of the crack? I only ask as I have had a VERY similar thing happen to my Note 2 also from O2. My defect (because that's what it is, I haven't caused this, haven't dropped it etc) looks like a smudge in the bottom right hand corner of the screen and if you wipe with a cloth it seems to disappear. But if you wipe the screen with a wet finger you can clearly see what appears to be a single hairline crack from the edge of the screen across the corner of the phone to the home button. 1 hairline crack. Now you can't feel this crack with your fingernail and you cannot see it with the screen on. It's almost like there is a smudge under the screen but if you wipe it enough with a cloth it does disappear (it's very strange). Most people can't even notice it I have to point it out to them.
I did contemplate sending it back to buymobilephones.net under their 30 day warranty but I've heard horror stories of phones going missing, getting a refurbed one back that was worse than the one they sent or them saying I've done it and charging me for repair etc. I've decided to live with it and if it gets any worse I'll claim on my insurance. I'm just curious to see if it's a similar issue to what you have.
I'll try and take a picture but tbh I don't think you'd be able to see anything as it's hard enough when looking directly at it. But I know it's there, and that annoys me slightly.
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Sorry mate I don't have a picture. I too couldn't feel it with my nails. I had an email arrive yesterday but was since "returned" with the message, "Sorry, I did not mean to send this email." I was left in state of confusion and contempt, to which I replied with a single word - "What?!"
Hello, I'm aware Samsung's Customer Service UK is awful from people in the Galaxy S2 forums, On Thursday I sent away my Galaxy i9300 (undamaged) to Samsung's service centre (I believe it was regenersis contracted by Samsung) The original fault on my phone was a Charging problem, it would stop charging (stuck at a percentage) and took 6+ hours to charge fully. Samsung sent me a freepost jiffy bag and asked my to send away the battery with my S3 as well so i put the battery in the bay with the phone and sent it away still no damage from this point and still switched on and functioned perfect accept the charging problem.
I then received a letter in the post claiming they couldn't repair the phone because it was out of Manufacturers warranty because of physical damage and wanted 35.10GBP for repairs to the Battery terminals on the phone, but I refused to pay and they sent my S3 back to me. But to my surprise I go to put the battery in the phone and I see that on of the pins have been bent and twisted which was not the condition I sent it off in. I phoned Samsung yet again about this and denied responsibility again and said the fully trust what the engineers are saying. I phoned the Repair Centre and they said they inspect the phone before they do any repairs to it and the picture show the pin was bent and damaged. (I believe the engineer damaged it and then took the pictures)
What can I do? Samsung just send me in an infinite loop to talk to the Repair centre then the Repair Centre just tell me to talk to Samsung. They are accepting no responsibility. How can I take this any further?
I'm in the UK.
Thank you.
If you are on contract the network should sort this for you.
sue them.
and don't ask questions in General
deakodude said:
If you are on contract the network should sort this for you.
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I bought this from buymobilephones.net on a contract with T-mobile. But they aren't to blame, it's Samsung's Bad Customer service. Can I complain to them?
Unless you can prove them wrong, you're sh*t out of luck, I'm afraid. Next time you're going to debs something in, take a photo of it (with timestamp) what it looks like before you send it in so you have counter proof.
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Theshawty said:
Unless you can prove them wrong, you're sh*t out of luck, I'm afraid. Next time you're going to debs something in, take a photo of it (with timestamp) what it looks like before you send it in so you have counter proof.
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Yes, But it's the first time i've ever had to send any Samsung Device to Service, ever. Never expected for some hooligan Engineer to be damaging my phone. Next time I will always photograph it head to toe. But have I exhausted my options with this? Why would they damage my phone?
you can still file a complaint
Jekle_Ace said:
Yes, But it's the first time i've ever had to send any Samsung Device to Service, ever. Never expected for some hooligan Engineer to be damaging my phone. Next time I will always photograph it head to toe. But have I exhausted my options with this? Why would they damage my phone?
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The engineer damaged or and does not want to take responsibility so puts the blame on you.
I suggest you file a complaint or sue them in civil court.
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Samsung don't care. Apple would of been an easier choice, there Customer Service is impeccable. Just puts a sour taste in your mouth about who you purchase your next phone from?
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Well, customer care is also something you have to pay for. Hopefully I won´t have to have my phone repaired.
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Jekle_Ace said:
Hello, I'm aware Samsung's Customer Service UK is awful from people in the Galaxy S2 forums, On Thursday I sent away my Galaxy i9300 (undamaged) to Samsung's service centre (I believe it was regenersis contracted by Samsung) The original fault on my phone was a Charging problem, it would stop charging (stuck at a percentage) and took 6+ hours to charge fully. Samsung sent me a freepost jiffy bag and asked my to send away the battery with my S3 as well so i put the battery in the bay with the phone and sent it away still no damage from this point and still switched on and functioned perfect accept the charging problem.
I then received a letter in the post claiming they couldn't repair the phone because it was out of Manufacturers warranty because of physical damage and wanted 35.10GBP for repairs to the Battery terminals on the phone, but I refused to pay and they sent my S3 back to me. But to my surprise I go to put the battery in the phone and I see that on of the pins have been bent and twisted which was not the condition I sent it off in. I phoned Samsung yet again about this and denied responsibility again and said the fully trust what the engineers are saying. I phoned the Repair Centre and they said they inspect the phone before they do any repairs to it and the picture show the pin was bent and damaged. (I believe the engineer damaged it and then took the pictures)
What can I do? Samsung just send me in an infinite loop to talk to the Repair centre then the Repair Centre just tell me to talk to Samsung. They are accepting no responsibility. How can I take this any further?
I'm in the UK.
Thank you.
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Send it to http://www.freesamsungrepairs.com in Bicester. Ask for Dean and they'll take care of you.
Not only in UK Or USA, Samsung has horrible service and I recently got to taste that for an Unbranded I9300 here in India.
The bezel color came off suddenly and it was a few months old. Reported back to CEO desk, where they took 15 days in delaying and giving me 1 day more needed clauses.
Then I finally got back a call from them telling me , your handset has just crossed 6 months and you cant get the bezel changed FOC. I needed to pay Rs.7000 for that.
I denied, so in vindictive nature, they returned me the phone with my speakers changed, and then the speakers were fully broken.
Again reported back to CEO desk, where my handset was again taken back at a diff service center and returned back yesterday with speakers changed.
Long Live SHAMESUNG .
This would probably be my last product, as this company just sells products but doesnt provide service to customers.
Add Canada to the list.
Months ago I sent my phone in during warranty within the first year of purchase because the USB charging port was screwed up naturally (what a nightmare). This was a terrible design, and if I knew Id need a repair after purchase I would not of purchased the phone. I got it back from repair then and the USB port went again within 4 months, this time out of warranty I blew a gasket because it should never of broke the first time, and for it to break again was that the fault of the repair shop or the design of the actual phone using the USB port? Anyways... This was my second time sending it in for the USB port then I recieved it back damaged. Before I sent it in the second time for the USB issue, I made it clear with Samsung, if it is the exact same problem again, I want another phone, I am not going to replace this part every few months, they somewhat agreed to assess my phone. I explained I didnt want it repaired by the same shop, they agreed and I also made clear with them I wanted them personally to do the work at their location to find out if this is some sort of ongoing problem with the phone. I did not want another third party to just keep replacing the parts in the phone, if something breaks twice on its own, there is a reason with the design. Samsung made me believe that it was going to be dealt with the best way possible, and even my Phone Carrier was made aware of this and totally felt the phone was going to be assessed by Samsung and not just fixed again by a same third party company. My carrier has been informed of the nightmares I've been going through with all of this.
So as the story goes...
Got my phone back from repair last week. Went to post office picked it up, opened up the package anxious to get back on my phone and make sure it works, so I open the package before leaving the post office parking lot, and when I opened it, it doesn't even look like my phone, but it is!! Phone looked terrible marked up and abused looking. I immediatly opened the work order / paper inside and found a different third party company did the repair again (same parts as the first time) and that it was "authorized". On the paper it declares the same damage of my phone as I had recieved it from them, not as I sent it though!!! (I properly wrapped it in bubbled wrap bigtime, then put it in a bigger box packed with paper, there was no way any damage could be done to it whatsoever).
On the work order paper I recieved it claims I must call the third party company (not Samsung) within 24hrs to dispute any issues. At that very moment I was so pissed, not only was my phone a disgrace, but I suddenly had to call a third party? What the hell?? I sent it to Samsung!!!!
I got on the phone with Samsung immediatly in the parking lot explaining to Samsung I was disgusted and wanted something done about my phone immediatly. I told them I did not want to go home from the post office without mailing them the phone back. They asked me if I called the third party shop, I said "No! I didnt send them my phone, I sent Samsung my phone! I am not going to get into a squabble or hold anyone else but Samsung responsible for this issue!" They understood me well... They told me to go home with the phone and take photos and send them to their ECR department, and they would have a response within 48hrs. So I did...
Went home took photos of the phone and sent them to Samsung ECR department, 24hrs later I confirmed by calling them that they received the photos and that it was being worked on. They claimed they couldnt find the photos, so I forwarded them the same email I sent with photos attached for a second time. (Which they did recieve in my records the first time they were sent). They told me they needed a day or so... So I called them the next day, told me to call again in another day, called them the next day, waited 25mins on hold then they come on and tell me I have to wait another 4 days because it was a friday of a long weekend.... Maddening!!! Here I am a company owner with no smartphone being put off more and more... I need my phone!!! It is a big part of my day to day life with so much going on.
So I wait 4 days, call them mid day of the business day. They tell me they escalated things to a higher level (whichever/whoever that is) and I must call them in another 24-48hrs after they talk to the repair department... I said "What the hell??? You had last week to do all of this, why is this not already done???" ... Samsung ECR replied "Oh sorry sir I will email them right now and get a report on this phone repair from the repair shop"... So he sent an email request and the third party company replied back "The phone was damaged when we recieved it, we sent it to the consumer fixed the way we recieved it." So then I got upset, I requested to have this investigated further by someone senior because I am pissed off, and fully informed them my carrier was following up with me on how this issue is resolved for their own records.
They told me to call them again in another 24-48hrs. That is where I am at now.
I am disgraced to be treated this way, I have $6000 worth of Samsung Electronics never had a problem with any of it, and this happens with 1 item. If I had any idea how their customer support / warranty dept and ECR was, I would of likely reconsidered my purchases, but I just loved my phone when it worked .
ECR department is under staffed taking forever on hold, and there should definately be a "higher up" that someone can contact if ECR is mismanaged or not doing things right. When I asked to talk to someone higher up, they said "There is noone you can talk to higher up".
$700 Samsung Phone USB Port Breaks 9 Months after Purchase.
$700 Samsung Phone has same USB Port Issues Repaired TWICE (last time 4 months after repair)
$700 Samsung Phone gets sent back from repair to consumer unidentifyable. I would not of recognized it as my phone.
5 Hours on the phone minimum fighting for phone with Samsung. Loss of time when I should of been working too!
$700 Samsung Phone Owner Left in the dark, disgusted, and pissed off.
My last words to Samsung was they better straighten this mess up within 48hrs or I am going to go purchase a new phone, disgusted with this rollercoaster ride they have taken me on for something they are liable of in the first place. My carrier is being fully informed of this terrible ordeal as it unfolds at their main office and kept in their records.
Lets face it, little people like us don't threaten a businesses existence.
I once got a D-Link wifi dongle, the range was a complete and utter lie, (was 1/4th what they were claiming), additionally I was dealing with their slow support. By the end of it, it exceeded the two weeks warranty. Chinese companies are far more reliable than crappy western ones.
In the 15 Years I've been in business dealing with thousands of businesses, I've never in my life dealt with an unorganized incompetent mess such as the Samsung ECR department, and they tell me there is nobody higher up that oversees their work. I requested multiple times to deal with someone of a higher level than ecr and was refused. I had a complaint about the Canadian ECR Department and their management and way of dealing with clients.
The people I dealt with in Canada, seemed like gangsters, I was disgusted in their business practise.
My last resort will likely be filing in small claims court, I have exhausted all reasonable methods.
I loved their products but their problems over the past few months dealing with their customer care have made me hate them.
I live in the UK and have had to use samsung warranty twice, on both occasions my phone was unlocked and rooted and both times they fixed my phone and returned them to me, one with a new motherboard SGS3 and the other a Samsung Nexus S which they returned fixed and with the bootloader unlocked. I suppose it all depends on your local warranty centre. It didn't happen over night but I understood that they didn't just have my phone to repair.
I have had my Note 3 for approx 2 weeks and I take great care of my devices and I have not had any fall or dropped my phone and carry it in my pocket with no other items eg keys etc.
I have just discovered a crack of the screen glass which runs form edge to edge in the top right corner by the front facing camera, what is even more baffling is that yesterday I placed a protective silicon case on the phone and there clearly has not been any impact but looks more like a stress crack. The case is a standard case that fits snugly but is not overtight.
As you can imagine I am seriously annoyed about this on a £600 phone and I really do not have the time to mess around with repairs, loan phones etc
Is there anybody else this has happened to?
Any advice suggestions do I contact Samsung or my Carrier which is O2 in the UK or general advice how best to deal with this.
Not had the screen crack but bottom right corner centre curve mine developed a tiny hairline split in the plastic didn't show on the outer edge or top face but if you looked on an angle in good light you could see it, also there was a gap on that corner very slight between the glass and fake plastic chrome. I ran a Stanley blade tip around the gap and it closed and the hair line crack isn't visible. My wife had the S3 before getting my mint titanium N2. The S3 also suffered from expansion contraction cracks in the fake aluminium banding, maybe due to the extreme temps here in Spain. I still think all the 5 minute reviewers were talking crap about the N2 plastic build quality, my old N2 still looks like new. I also hate the raised rim on the N3. The Note 2 felt edge less, very nice when swiping from the edge of the screen. The Note 3 feels like your playing inside a sand pit. The reason I bought the N2 titanium was soley because it didn't have the fake chrome. Any colour banding would have better than chrome, a gun metal like the N2 titanium would have been so much more premium looking.
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An update on this I have been to the O2 store twice now and they refuse point blank to replace the phone even though I am within the 14 day return window according to their TCs.
The manager at the store states that they cannot accept damaged phones I have now also noticed a rattle in the phone as previously stated the phone has not been dropped or subjected to any trauma and the casing is in pristine condiition. It should be obvious to anybody examining the phone that it has not been dropped or knocked as there would at least be some evidence of this on the external casing.
So now I am going to go through O2 complaints procedure and also contact Samsung to see if they can offer a resolution.
Any other advice that anyone can offer will be gratefully received.
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An update on this I have been to the O2 store twice now and they refuse point blank to replace the phone even though I am within the 14 day return window according to their TCs.
The manager at the store states that they cannot accept damaged phones I have now also noticed a rattle in the phone as previously stated the phone has not been dropped or subjected to any trauma and the casing is in pristine condiition. It should be obvious to anybody examining the phone that it has not been dropped or knocked as there would at least be some evidence of this on the external casing.
So now I am going to go through O2 complaints procedure and also contact Samsung to see if they can offer a resolution.
Any other advice that anyone can offer will be gratefully received.
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From your initial post, you have already stated you don't have time to deal with loaners etc... so I feel your pain! The problem is shoddy workmanship on the device. I have had a few friends with similar problems noticed within a week after purchasing the device. Fortunately, they had a good relationship with their mobile reseller so their devices were swapped out and the mobile reseller has a lot of pull with Samsung since they buy lots of product. Samsung does not wish to lose their retailer support so will assist with a vendor return (RMA) versus the general consumer.
My only suggestion is to try to deal with the store directly as you have done previously. If the manager is unwilling to be empathetic towards your situation, ask them who the regional or territory manager is for the store and request for their information. If they refuse to provide this or you do not get the results you were hoping for, I would communicate with Samsung directly and explain the situation. Mention you do not take kindly to paying "X" amount for a phone only to encounter this type of situation. Explain as a consumer, you must follow the retail policies when situations happen but it's these retailers who represent Samsung and their product lineup to the consumer worldwide. Ask what they can do for you directly as you have no support through the retail channels representing their brand.
I'm sure they will do something and if not through the front-line channels of customer support, ask to speak with a manager or team leader. If this gets you nowhere, on principle, I would buy a new device and would escalate the matter to Samsung headquarters directly through a letter sent by courier with signature required so you have proof of acceptance. If you do not get a response within a timely fashion, file a small claims writ and take Samsung to court on this basis. Most likely, they would simply send you a refund as court costs for them would far exceed the cost of device replacement or refund. A judgement in your favor or out of court settlement would be based on 100% proof the damage was not user initiated but instead, a factory defect.
Hope this helps!
Further update spoken with both O2 customer services and also Samsung who directed me to take it to their approved repair centre locally (run by a third party but branded Samsung) for inspection. I drove to this centre where one of the technicians took a look and said we cannot repair this as the screen is cracked. I restated that it is obvious from the condition of the phone it has not been misused and asked to speak to the manager who said that Samsung will not authorise any warranty repair for a damaged screen and I would need to contact them again.
This is what I did and they sent a reply paid jiffy bag to send to their inhouse repair centre and today I have received a reply stating that I will have to pay for the repair as the warranty does not cover physical damage. I am massively frustrated and disillusioned by this as neither Samsung or O2 want to take responsibility for this and I am struggling to Know what to do next.
To be fair, they have to protect themselves. If any customer who dropped a phone (not saying you did) could get a refund, they would either go broke, or have to charge us all a lot more.
Their conditions assume that some trauma occurred, but your situation appears to be the < 1% of situations where the fault is caused by a manufacturing fault, not user abuse. You only way is to 'prove' that no user abuse has occurred. As you say, the pristine nature of the shell does back that up, and the fact is that such faults can and will occur.
Only one thing may be important as well: is the silicon case very tight? I am thinking that if it is, that stress could have caused an existing flaw in the glass to extend into a fracture. Again, proving it is next to impossible, but I would keep going up the chain until they accept it, but keep calm and polite. Eventually they will give in, I suspect.
Very true about phones that get damaged by misuse and drops etc. I have again spoke to Samsung customer services and restated everything but seem to be going round in circles so I have pursued a formal complaint and will be sending in photos. Also will look to get a independent inspection report but as you say I will probably have to prove that misuse did not occur as they do need to protect themselves but as one of the unfortunates with a damaged screen not due to physical trauma or misuse it leaves me with an extermely poor view of Samsung and certainly as a consumer will look to other manaufacturers from now on.
If you want to hear a worst case scenario with verizon employees and new hardware defects, here you go. Kudos if you read the whole thing, I don't expect most people to...unless you're one of those people with a faulty battery/camera flash/screen/speaker. Then, enjoy and beware.
What follows is a true story.
Thursday 10/30/2014 12pm – Purchase Droid Turbo #1
– Went to Verizon Store and worked with sales associate John to purchase my new droid turbo. I traded in my OG droid razr maxx for $100 rebate, and then John tried to “sell” me a wireless charger for the device by saying he could waive my upgrade fee to apply towards the product. Having already read about the promotion for waived upgrade fees, and knowing it is not only applicable towards products in store (as John was insinuating) I declined, feeling decidedly like John was trying to take advantage of me and the lack of knowledge I may have about current Verizon promotions.
Friday 10/31/2014 –Full Day with Droid Turbo #1
Used Turbo Unit 1 for 24 hrs, after charging to full. My battery drained unusually fast, so that I was getting less than 20 hours on the battery. I took screenshots of my battery reports during two full discharges to demonstrate to reps that the battery was in fact underperforming, knowing that evidence would be useful because it is hard to just look at a phone and tell it has a battery issues.
Saturday 11/1/2014 – Return Turbo #1 for Turbo #2
11am- Returned to Verizon store. I worked with sales associate “Ross” and brought my concerns to his attention. He also frequently made furtive trips to have whispered discussions with Andre, who I assume is his manager, throughout our conversation about my wanting a replacement unit. They did a “test” on my phone in which they just opened up a call and let it sit for 15 minutes, then said “oh it looks like it drained normally.” As if they know, on a phone that is literally 2 days old. I could tell they were bullsh*tting me, they had no interest in looking at the battery data I had saved on the phone demonstrating the VERY fast discharge, and when I expressed my displeasure, Ross again went and had another whispered conversation with Andre, and he came back and said “we want to help you out….” He proceeded to tell me that they would replace the unit for me. He then went into the back and came out with a box in one hand and another Droid Turbo unit in his other hand—I never saw him take it out of the box. He switched my sim card into the unit he brought from the back, and said I had to keep my current box/etc and did not give me the matching box with the unit. Here is the first time I have a unit that doesn’t match my box/IMEI number information. This is despite me requesting the box to keep the serial numbers consistent.
Saturday 11/1/2014 – Later that Day with Turbo #2
When I get Droid Turbo #2 home and start using it that evening in low light conditions, I see that there is a noticeable change in color from the top left to the bottom right of the screen. It was evident in multiple apps, and although subtle, is very apparent when you utilize a graphic designed to test color and brightness consistency on a display. (I used Display Test app, “viewing angle graphic” which demonstrated clearly the screen was not uniform.) I make plans to go in on Sunday and have it exchanged for a unit with consistent color reproduction.
Sunday 11/2/2014 – 11am. – Returning Turbo #2 for Turbo #3
I return to Verizon for the 3rd time in 4 days. At this point, I am feeling decidedly emotionally raw from my previous experiences in which I felt that employees had ZERO interest in what I had to say or show them. I explain that I’m here to have my device replaced because the screen color is not uniform. They immediately get General manager Steven S. to deal with me, and after taking a cursory glance at my unit underneath glaring overhead can lights at the front desk (where you can hardly see the screen anyways) tells me “He doesn’t see a problem.” I am detecting barely contained hostility at this point—I feel that the employees have labeled me as a “problem” to be dealt with. Another employee, Matthew, hovers nearby the entire time I’m dealing with Steven, making me feel even more ganged up on and adding non-helpful comments from time to time. At this point they have made no effort to get any information from me. I needed to tell them that the flaw is visible in dim light, when the screen brightness is turned down lower, and how you can see it in certain apps, etc, but they took a defensive posture from the beginning as though they had already decided I was wrong.
After nearly 90 minutes standing at the counter arguing in front of MANY CUSTOMERS IN THE STORE, that there was a flaw that CAN BE PERCEIVED, I plead for them to just LOOK more closely at what I’m trying to show them. I am at my wit’s end at this point, ready to cancel my contract.
Steven S. finally goes to get a magnifying instrument resembling a jeweler’s loupe, and looks at the test graphic that clearly shows the non-uniform screen through it. HE AGREES THAT HE CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A NON-UNIFORMITY IN THE COLOR REPRODUCTION ON THE SCREEN!!! This is an important point, because later on I am told that “there was no defect found on the units I returned” by Solutions manager Jeff.
Steve S. agrees to replace the unit as defective and tells me Matthew will get my replacement. Matthew then goes into the back and does not emerge for nearly ten minutes. Just to get my unit from the shelf? When he comes out of the back, again, he is holding another turbo unit in one hand, and the box it may or may not have come out of in the other. Like Ross did for my last replacement, Matthew swaps my sim card into the other unit, but does not give me the new box despite my asking to exchange, again, to keep serial numbers consistent.
At this point they could have given me back the unit I had returned the day before and I would not be any wiser. I’m feeling more and more uncomfortable about the lack of transparency in this process, and the way employees at this store are handling my complaints and concerns in general.
I leave the store, vowing never to return and completely emotionally traumatized and exhausted from the process.
When I get home that evening…
…and start to use my Droid Turbo #3….the flash starts to malfunction. At first it just misses timing on a photo every third or so, making photos oddly red and dark. Then, it’s giving an odd “half flash” instead of a fully bright flash occasionally. Solutions Manager Jeff G, sent me text message following up on my customer experience. I responded:
(Mon, 11:31 AM) “the camera flash has been wonky on two occasions, like it isn’t timed right with the shutter..I’ll wait and see how it works out.” He does not respond.
Sunday 11/3 and Monday 11/4 – Turbo #3 Flash Not working at all, periodically.
As I’m testing the camera over Sunday night and Monday morning, the flash stops working completely on three different occasions. Even when set to “always on” the flash has just stopped turning on. It gives a weak “half flash” the first time you try after it’s been sitting a while, then just never turns on again. This happens on and off as I test the camera in various lighting situations. Clearly a malfunction, by any definition.
Again, I text Solutions manager Jeff G:
(Mon 6:49pm) “Hahah crud. My flash no longer works at all. Apparently it wasn’t going to be ok.”
Jeff G responds:
(Mon 7:06pm) “At this point, any manufacture defects needs to go through Motorola directly. We have exchanged 2 devices already for this line we will not be able to exchange out a 3rd device for the same model. If you are still unhappy with this device we can exchange it for a different model phone and we will waive the $35 restocking fee, however, if you feel this is just a manufacture defect you can reach out to Motorola at 800.734.5870 or motorola . com
So according to the Solutions manager , there is a 3 unit limit per customer on models of the same device, despite experiencing manufacturers defects that employees admitted were in fact manufacturer defects?
I respond:
(Mon 7:06pm) “ I didn’t realize there was a limit on manufacturer defects! What would you recommend? Is a non working flash on a phone that has taken less than 50 pictures a manufacturer defect or a feature of the droid turbo? Because I’d love to have your answer on record.”
Jeff G responds:
(Mon 7:13pm) “After reviewing the devices exchanged the manufacture defects that were reported are not currently listed as defects by Motorola as a result the devices exchanged were done as a courtesy as a Verizon customer. Future defects should be reported to Motorola. Again if you are unhappy with this phone we are willing to make a final exception to waive the restocking fee to exchange the device for a different model.”
So, at this point I am insulted and offended. First of all, the devices I returned were not exchanged as a “courtesy”—I had demonstrated and provided evidence, BEYOND WHAT SHOULD EVER HAVE BEEN NECESSARY OF A CUSTOMER YOU WANT TO BE COURTIOUS TO, that each of the devices I exchanged were not performing as advertised. Secondly, he is flat our refusing to honor Motorola’s manufacturer’s warranty, despite the fact that I have had the unit for less than 24 hours and it is in PRISTINE condition.
Can a Verizon employee (Jeff) arbitrarily and retroactively change the terms of your exchange of a defective device? Verizon is contractually obligated to provide you with a device that functions as described, but instead Jeff is saying “basically, we took care of you because you whined about it hard enough.” This is despite the verbal attestation of multiple employees at the location that the defects were indeed noted at my time of exchange.
Tuesdsay, 11/4/2014 – I call Motorola. (Case # XXX-XXXXX)
I take Jeff’s advice and call Motorola- I still want a functioning Droid Turbo. Talk to Tech support about flash issue, they agree to send a replacement unit no problem. They ask me for the IMEI number. This is where the problems created by the employees at the Verizon Store Maple Village come to the surface.
I give Motorola my IMEI on the box (XXXXXXXXXXXXX) —but it doesn’t match my device info in their computers. (Remember how they would not give me the matching boxes with my exchanged devices?)
So we investigate further. Motorola tech has me dial a number that gives me Droid Turbo #3’s internal number. (IMEI: XXXXXXXXXXXXX) I get put on hold…and apparently escalated to Tier 2 tech support because the number I gave them isn’t matching the numbers they should have in their system. Fraud alarm bells have gone off, something about what he saw in the info attached to the IMEE# of my device.
Motorola tells me that the Verizon employees have done something wrong, and perhaps even illegal, in processing my exchanges. He says that I need to return to the store and request a replacement unit, with the matching box, serial numbers, parts, etc. This effects my warranty, and apparently could be related to illegal practices behind the scenes at this particular Verizon store? He’s vague about the details, but says they need to escalate it. He gives me a case number and says I’ll be contacted within 48 hours during the investigation.
In Summary:
I don’t know what to say at this point. I demand as many replacement Droid Turbo models as is necessary until I receive a unit that functions as designed and advertised, without defect or flaw, and not as a “courtesy as a Verizon customer,” but as a “fulfilment of the contractual obligation Verizon has to its customers.” This does not seem to be an unreasonable request, given that I am paying for a product and service.
Update at time of publishing: My camera flash has not malfunctioned in 24 hrs, I don't know if it was just working out the kinks, was software related, or new battery, who knows. I don't. What I do know is I have 0% expectation that I will get a replacement unit, so I'm probably just dropping the turbo instead of risking having an unwarranty-able device with no Verizon support and a potential faulty flash.
Try to get the district manager's contact info - they will be able to help you out.
That sucks man. I do have a couple things to say (I know you're mad and I don't blame you for being mad but just some insight on the phone issues not Verizon I won't back them up) I got the Turbo as well and as far as the battery goes.....the first day it's going to suck. Smartphones aren't going to be perfect out of the box because they haven't experienced real world scenarios yet. Phone's batteries can take up to 2 days sometimes more to become for lack of a better term calibrated. My battery was the same but I let it do it's thing and now I get over 24hrs if not close to 40. Yes I'm concious about how I use it but it performs really well. Also your IMEI# is under setting>about phone>status. You don't need the box. One final thing and I'm not assuming anything but....there was an update that came basically the same day this phone went on sale. Now I don't know exactly what the update was for but it may or may not have fixed some of the problems you were having.
As far as Verizon....yeah they didn't treat you right. I'm sorry they did that to you and the reason for this post was again to help you. I noticed you joined xda just this month so I'll say this. This site does a really good job at helping people with issues/questions with their phones. Sometimes it's better to look around on the site or other sites to see what if any other kind of problems other users are having. I am here everyday to read up on things that I may have missed. I mean I spent $600 on the phone, I want to know as much as I can about how to fix or take care of it. No it's not on us as users to fix the problem of a company's mistakes. But sometimes it can produce better results. Feel free to pm me if you have any questions or just to let me know what you think.
Can you just return the phone since you are still in the 14 day return period and get something else?
I dont want to sound like an *** because I have sympathy in wanting a "perfect" phone... but none of the issues you are describing sound like 'manufacturer's defects' to me.
A manufacturer defect is something like: the phone doesnt hold any charge, or half the screen is white, or there is no speakerphone.
"unusually fast drain" of the battery is totally subjective. the screen color issues have already been noted as simply being the result of the quality of the screens in general.
Again, I get you're not happy with the phones, but it may just be that your expectations are too high. the whole sim card swap and holding onto the box thing is wierd though.
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I dont want to sound like an *** because I have sympathy in wanting a "perfect" phone... but none of the issues you are describing sound like 'manufacturer's defects' to me.
A manufacturer defect is something like: the phone doesnt hold any charge, or half the screen is white, or there is no speakerphone.
"unusually fast drain" of the battery is totally subjective. the screen color issues have already been noted as simply being the result of the quality of the screens in general.
Again, I get you're not happy with the phones, but it may just be that your expectations are too high. the whole sim card swap and holding onto the box thing is wierd though.
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I agree, knowing what I know now about battery new battery cycles, I may not have ever even taken that first one back. In fact, I wish to god I hadn't, because the flash and screen on that one were functioning and consistent (and up to my high standards )
Honestly I am just looking at changing to another model...I just don't think there's another one I want right now, I waited 3 years for the Droid Turbo and I want a good one damnit.
I had some MAJOR issues with Verizon over the past week, spent over 12 hours on the phone with them, spoken with 7 different Reps, until I had enough. I called their Corporate Office......Ezekiel took care of my issues in ONE phone call, AND I was credited for my inconvenience. I've been a Verizon Customer for 8 years, have 7 lines with them, spend, on average, $5500 a year on Service, more if I buy devices (I've bought 4 tablets from them over the past two years my latest being the Note Pro 12.2) and I regularly upgrade my phones out of contract. IF you're having issues again, I'd recommend giving this guy a call, or call their Executive Offices in New York.
I've removed the personalized message and Case Number, but this is the Contact Info for him directly.
If you have additional concerns, please contact me at (770)-521-5633. My office hours are 8:00am– 4:00pm EST Monday through Friday.
Regards,
Ezekiel Fields
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Im perplexed that you didnt just return the phone. There is nothing wrong with our droid turbos but im starting to hate them and i expect to just return them. I dont mind restock fees to get rid of something i dislike
Don't take this too harshly bro but, your being a **** about all of this. If you don't like the Turbo, take their offer to get something else. Otherwise, STFU. They could tell you to piss off but, they are trying to make you happy and you are refusing. They could ignore your emails and calls and tell you you are delusional and let you be stuck with what you have. Here they are though, eating cash hand over fist exchanging phones for you and you persist. If Motorola tells Verizon that your problem isn't a problem, Verizon eats the phone. At $700 a pop, no matter how loyal a customer you are, there is going to come a time when it's just more profitable to let you walk.
Verizon swapping out the phones without visibly removing them from a brand new box, or at least providing you with the original retail packaging, is where I feel Verizon has really screwed up. As a customer, without the original packaging and paper trail, you have no way of supporting any proof of purchase or warranty claims (as you have unfortunately discovered). You also have no way of knowing whether or not those devices are actually new devices. Honestly, given the bull**** runaround they have given you on each occasion, I would seriously not be surprised if each of those "new" phones are actually units other customers have purchased and returned, likely for the same reasons you did. They are probably trying to reduce RMA chargebacks for non-defective units so are betting that either customers perceive faults where there are none, or that some poor schlub will get it and not know any better.
I'd definitely try and get in contact with someone in customer relations, maybe post something on their twitter account, that store is dicking you around.
Otherwise, did you have to pay anything for the phone, or did you use Edge? If you paid something for it, if you did so on a credit card, you may want to contact the card company and see what options you can pursue through them.
Honestly I would just return the phone but not getting a matching imei box after stating your defect is ridiculous. Another thing is that they give you two different ones from the back, what is this? A McDonalds and you exchanging a burger because you didn't ask for pickles. That store is ridiculous and I would take my business elsewhere. I've had a couple instances where I see a problem and they don't believe me and they ask coworkers and they agree because they're buddy buddy and have to be a team. It makes you feel uncomfortable, its not their devices, why do they think returning a phone is a problem. Its not coming out of their pockets, its not their 2 year agreement.
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Don't take this too harshly bro but, your being a **** about all of this. If you don't like the Turbo, take their offer to get something else. Otherwise, STFU. They could tell you to piss off but, they are trying to make you happy and you are refusing. They could ignore your emails and calls and tell you you are delusional and let you be stuck with what you have. Here they are though, eating cash hand over fist exchanging phones for you and you persist. If Motorola tells Verizon that your problem isn't a problem, Verizon eats the phone. At $700 a pop, no matter how loyal a customer you are, there is going to come a time when it's just more profitable to let you walk.
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You sound like the employees at the Verizon store I have been visiting--trolly. (Troll-y?) Sorry bub, I'm not going to be intimidated into shutting up about real issues with a product I pay money for, not by you, or the managers at my verizon store.
And here I go breaking my rule about not feeding your kind.
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You sound like the employees at the Verizon store I have been visiting--trolly. (Troll-y?) Sorry bub, I'm not going to be intimidated into shutting up about real issues with a product I pay money for, not by you, or the managers at my verizon store.
And here I go breaking my rule about not feeding your kind.
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I work for Verizon on the indirect side (non corporate) in Jersey. They totally violated their own return exchange policy. The reason they did what they did..if my logic is correct..is simply give you a different phone without actually processing an exchange because it will make their internal numbers look bad because of how hard VZW Corp is pushing this phone. I got mine day 1 (also from corporate) and my battery also was not perfect day one..but has gotten better. I know the rep I dealt with personally and know he won't try to screw me. I would recommend going to another Corporate store and explaining the situation to them. Be calm and don't be afraid to turn on the poor mes. Don't be angry as anger is simply reciprocated and doesn't force intimidation like everyone thinks..all it does is make people less likely to help you. Avoid that other store like the plague..now and in the future. Any questions..don't be afraid to PM me.
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I work for Verizon on the indirect side (non corporate) in Jersey. They totally violated their own return exchange policy. The reason they did what they did..if my logic is correct..is simply give you a different phone without actually processing an exchange because it will make their internal numbers look bad because of how hard VZW Corp is pushing this phone. I got mine day 1 (also from corporate) and my battery also was not perfect day one..but has gotten better. I know the rep I dealt with personally and know he won't try to screw me. I would recommend going to another Corporate store and explaining the situation to them. Be calm and don't be afraid to turn on the poor mes. Don't be angry as anger is simply reciprocated and doesn't force intimidation like everyone thinks..all it does is make people less likely to help you. Avoid that other store like the plague..now and in the future. Any questions..don't be afraid to PM me.
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Thank you for the helpful advice. I hear what you are saying about the anger! Unfortunately it tends to be the only emotion left behind after being so thoroughly run around. That at bitterness
I shared my post with the Michigan district managers via e-mail. I'm hoping that they'll care enough about the fraudulent employee practices to get involved.
I'm with the others here that have said you are being a douche about this. Sorry to hear your third and final exchange from Verizon has an actual defect. The battery, as you already admitted was a mistake to exchange for. The screen was also dumb. If you can only detect a problem with a screen in low light with the brightness turned down there is no problem. That is a "perfect" screen by manufacturer standards. The flash sounds like a real problem and I wouldn't be happy with the phone you have now either, but the problem is that you have already returned tm2 phones which testing showed to be "perfect" and now those phones will have to be refurbished and sold as such at a loss for Verizon. They have to make the call to stop exchanging for the same device at some point because not only are you costing them money, you are depleting the stock in that store meaning they may lose customers because the phone they want is no longer in stock.
As far as them walking out of the back with the phone out of the box, I would interperate that as them pulling out the phone and powering it on before bringing it out to you to make sure that it is functioning properly. I'm not sure why they wouldn't give you the boxes, but as someone else pointed out, there's no reason you needed them. As far as Motorola saying they did something "illegal", I'm calling BS. That isn't information they would share with a customer. They would simply tell you to go back to the store or they would exchange/repair your device.
To the guy who works at an indirect store, I worked at one for quite a while too and I would like to share with everyone else that indirect employees are not told anything about internal exchange practices. I don't know for sure that pulling a phone out of the box before bringing it to the counter is or isn't against policy, but I do know for sure that that isn't something an indirect employee would know.
My Turbos should be here tomorrow and I hope they're only as "defective" as the OP's first 2...
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
I wish i was b.s'ing about Motos fraud investigation--my replacement would be on its way now if it wasn't for this. Tech supp tried to process exchange, ran into "unusual information" associated with my ohones ImEI #, elevated my call to a manager, who asked me more questions, told me verizon employees at the store "really did not take care of me," and that they have to open an investigation into the store's practices, putting my replacement on hold--he said the words suspected fraud. *shrug*
rhouse1983 said:
That sucks man. I do have a couple things to say (I know you're mad and I don't blame you for being mad but just some insight on the phone issues not Verizon I won't back them up) I got the Turbo as well and as far as the battery goes.....the first day it's going to suck. Smartphones aren't going to be perfect out of the box because they haven't experienced real world scenarios yet. Phone's batteries can take up to 2 days sometimes more to become for lack of a better term calibrated. My battery was the same but I let it do it's thing and now I get over 24hrs if not close to 40. Yes I'm concious about how I use it but it performs really well. Also your IMEI# is under setting>about phone>status. You don't need the box. One final thing and I'm not assuming anything but....there was an update that came basically the same day this phone went on sale. Now I don't know exactly what the update was for but it may or may not have fixed some of the problems you were having.
As far as Verizon....yeah they didn't treat you right. I'm sorry they did that to you and the reason for this post was again to help you. I noticed you joined xda just this month so I'll say this. This site does a really good job at helping people with issues/questions with their phones. Sometimes it's better to look around on the site or other sites to see what if any other kind of problems other users are having. I am here everyday to read up on things that I may have missed. I mean I spent $600 on the phone, I want to know as much as I can about how to fix or take care of it. No it's not on us as users to fix the problem of a company's mistakes. But sometimes it can produce better results. Feel free to pm me if you have any questions or just to let me know what you think.
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These are the types of guys that make XDA awesome
I really appreciate the kind words sir. I've always felt this is a place where users are supposed to help each other. And as I have been a person (lurker really) who has used this site since my droid x days I felt the new guy needed some assistance. Again thanks. As far as my on topic point, Verizon didn't help the situation and that sucks but again I feel as users sometimes it's better to try to figure out the problem yourself cuz when you add more people to the mix it can get sloppy. XDA is the place you can always go for guidance.
cstone1991 said:
I'm not sure why they wouldn't give you the boxes, but as someone else pointed out, there's no reason you needed them..
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Stop being stupid. When purchasing a new product, you expect it to come with an original retail manufacturing box. That box and internals should match the product purchased, period. Otherwise there would be no point in manufacturers investing time and money into labeling each box with specific serial numbers, model numbers, etc.
Has for the OP -
I had to exchange my Droid Turbo 32GB BN due to a defect as well, though my Verizon experience was much different than the OP during exchange. When exchanging my unit, I was very professional & civil about my complaint, it can make all the difference in the world.
The Exchange:
I was approached immediately upon entering my local Verizon store and greeted by an employee named Jason. I informed Jason to accompany me to the location of the demo display units and personally began explaining to him the differences between devices.
Jason was very hesitant at first, but I quickly produced alternative examples with more detailed information and replicated the issue in real time. Jason at this point was in agreement with me but not fully committed to exchange the device as he had to get manager approval. This transaction took a total of about 5 minutes, from the minute I stepped into the store.
The manager, Jeff, approached the sales counter at this point and spoke briefly with Jason. Immediately the manager began asking the same questions Jason did before hand. In which case I explained to Jeff the same information provided previously with Jason. This transaction took roughly 4 minutes.
Manager gives the go ahead, but before I let him walk away I immediately ask him if they had the 64GB in stock as they did not have it previously. Manager confirms stock, in which I inform him I am willing to pay the difference minus the restocking fee. Manager agrees, Jason retrieves the new Turbo 64GB in an unopened box and begins activation. I quickly ask to see the device and inspect it before he proceeds to make sure it does not have the same issues/defects. Everything looked fine, I give the go ahead. This transaction took 6 minutes.
At this point, while waiting for the activation process, I strike up a nice conversation with a couple of the employees around the counter (as it was slow for them at the time). I bring up the question of how many Turbo units they had sold in the past couple days. The numbers were surprising, around 23 units locally in two days (not including online). They even went so far as to inform me about the limited edition employee version with red metal trim to match Verizon branding and two of the four employees present were actually using Turbos personally.
Activation goes through, I am handed the retail box that matches the unit sold and a receipt with the cost difference. No restock fee applied, only the upgraded capacity valued. They put my exchanged unit in a box, but I inform them to take it out and reset as I did not perform that. They hand me the phone, letting me take care of the reset. I finish reset and complete our exchange.
I thank Jason for his time, we shake hands. I locate and approach the manager Jeff, thank him for his time and shake hands. I do this, so that at this point I establish a connection. Chances are they don't care and I'm immediately forgotten the minute I leave and that is fine. The point is if I have to come back again, I more likely made a bigger positive impact than running in flipping tables
At this point the total time spent from the moment I enter to exiting the store was roughly 28 minutes, chalk it up to 30 give or take.
Sorry you had a bad experience all around, but a little generosity and professionalism can go a long way. (Not aimed at you specifically, don't get defensive)
TL;DR: They did not treat you properly and you have a right to complain.
The Phone is great...until its not. Unfortunately, i was unlucky enough to have a problematic digitizer, this issue is an issue that a lot of users have, a small search on the net will enlighten you about how many, so i decided to send
At the begining of May, the weather gets warm here in Greece, and i had the bad luck of having an OPO with TPK Digitizer which led me to the well known Ghost Touch Issues. So i filled an RMA ticket, and waited for their reply.
They replied the next, day, and they asked me to follow their routine. Flash this, Factory Reset, Flash that. Took us about 5-10 steps of flashing and reseting etc and another 8 days for them to say that i am eligible for RMA. So they asked me to fill some paperwork, which i did and then asked me to wait for DHL to call me and arrange the pickup. DHL never called me, so to make the long story short, i tried to fill the paperwork 4-5 times and follow the proceedure. OP service was completely unable to help me. They kept posting the same automated replies again and again and again even if i was stating the whole time that i did all those quite a lot of times already. It seemed like a robotic answer to me. At the end of August, i realized that it was completely impossible to have the issue resolved through OP service, and i tried to find other solutions, so i sent a message to HandTec which is the company that takes care of the service. They replied immediately and they arranged the pickup the very same day. So my guess is that OPO support didn't even tried to contact them and asking them to resolve my issue, for more than 3 monthns and countless messages we exchanged almost daily with the support team.Also, some of the messages they sent me, was asking me to follow the wrong procedure to send the phone, a procedure that was for specific countries in the list of which my country was absent.
I packed my phone as requested and sent it to HandTec headquarters where it took them some days to inspect. At the first stage of inspection, they found water damage, and here is where the real thing begins.As most of you, i guess you treat your phone like a baby, so do i. It was in a protective case since day one, and had a screen protector on since day one. Also, i don't have any memory of my phone getting caught in a wet situation or something. The only thing that comes into my mind, is some drop of sweat or something baste into the headphone mini jack and then further in which is not so extreme case of usage.
http://imgur.com/gallery/8Ys07Vn/new
So they sent me this picture as proof that my phone was damaged by liquid. Even though my technical knowledge is good, I cannot see any damage caused from liquid or any sign of liquid leftovers in this picture.All I see is the motherboard of OPO. The only think that might indicate water damage, is this little square dot on the top left of the motherboard. A dot that is next to the 3.5mm Headphone jack. This dot is placed there and its very sensitive to humidity, so it turns red for no reason, even if the phone is not damaged practicaly, and thats a good cunning way to void your guarantee and save the company a lot of money against its customers. Note that I asked them if this red dot there is a water damage indicator and I never got an answer.
14 days after they received my device, they asked me to either pay 220€ in order to change the whole motherboard ( for no reason since the device works perfectly besides the faulty digitizer) or to pay them back 52€ for courier services which makes absolutely no sense since the motherboard and all its components are working flawlessly and the only problem is in the digitizer.
In general, I am without a proper phone to work with for 4months and 2 days or 17 weeks and 6 days or 0.34 years or 2990 hours or 180.000 minutes thanks to their absolutely rediculus support, in addition, I will have to pay another 52€ because OPO has absolutely no water shielding and in addition it is prone to water damage but at the same time they didn't proved to me that the phone indeed has some water damage.
My conclusion is that I will never put another euro on this company since I feel that I am victim of a fraud here. I used my phone as every other user, and ended up with a faulty device +52€ and another four months of no usage due to very poor support.Also, I am not the only case. The internet is full of similar cases and some are even worse and provocative than mine.
I feel your pain.
I'm in the middle of exactly the same process in the UK.
They sent me the same photo as "Proof" the phone was water damaged. Never been near water, just a way of scamming more money out of people.
Never Settle. Never Again.
Yeah, Oneplus does not have great customer support at all. Seems like they don't care for the customer after you receive your phone.