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Froyo Android 2.5??

So I was just reading about, Froyo 2.5 will this ever be available for the HERO or would that most likely be on the upcoming EVO?
I was reading about some of the features including the "Portable App Engine"
Using the new Portable App Engine, Android will now be able to run Palm Pre and iPhone applications using a virtual machine.
While the Pre only has about 2,000 applications, Apple’s iPhone is currently the industry leader with 150,000+. iPhone’s best games are very desirable to non-iPhone owners, for example, as they generally offer superior graphics and level of gameplay, that is, until Froyo comes out.
Portable App Engine is a "20%" project started by 2 Google engineers – Joseph Smarr and Ikai Lan – and got its name from Google’s flagship App Engine.
Google is notorious for allowing their engineers to work 20% of their time (1 day a week) developing their own ideas and releasing the most ingenious ones to the public. For example, Gmail, Google News, Orkut, Google Talk, and Google Sky Map were all "20%" projects
Any news When this is becoming available? Or if there is any dev out there with and leaks?

Seriously? We dont even have 2.1 yet. What makes you think 2.5 will be out any time soon??

Wasnt this an April fools joke?

I think the Hero will get FroYo eventually, like 8 months after every other phone does. By then, I will be at least two handsets away from the Hero.
I do happen to have a few Google engineers on speed dial though, let me give them a ring.
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were getting 2.1 we know that, I was just reading about 2.5. I dont think its a joke type in Android 2.5 in google and I was just reading some facts about it and it seems insane that you could run ALL the apps from the iPhone and from the Palm Pre

Darkshneider said:
Wasnt this an April fools joke?
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Yes the Portable app Engine was for April Fools.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...d-2-5-froyo-rom-and-upcoming-features-leaked/

Yeah, thats what I thought.

that sucks!!! lol that sounded pretty DAMN cool thing to be able to do that lol

Lmao, I almost feel bad for not putting up a "this is an April fools joke" note on that page. Almost.

check out this ... android 2.5's Portable App Engine is not a April fool!!!
check this:mobi-solutions.blogspot.com/2010/04/two-powerful-blasts-of-excitements-real.html

FroYo = Android 2.2 not 2.5. It really doesn't matter.
Our phones probably won't handle the app engine any way since everything seems to be going snapdragon. I would like to see a Android Tegra phone my self. but thats besides the point.

wouldnt a virtual app engine running iphone apps somehow be illegal? i dont think apple would let that happen.
that link you posted seemed pretty bogus to me.

also, everyone is aware apple released the sdk for the ipad, right?
aint no stoppin the jockin

mountaindont said:
wouldnt a virtual app engine running iphone apps somehow be illegal? i dont think apple would let that happen.
that link you posted seemed pretty bogus to me.
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It was an April Fools joke...

danknee said:
It was an April Fools joke...
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i am fully aware of this, topeka thought theyd be funny.

danknee said:
It was an April Fools joke...
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i cant stop watching your dancing android
make him to the mocarena(sp?)!!!!!

Kcarpenter said:
FroYo = Android 2.2 not 2.5. It really doesn't matter.
Our phones probably won't handle the app engine any way since everything seems to be going snapdragon. I would like to see a Android Tegra phone my self. but thats besides the point.
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You, sir, are correct. I've heard from reliable sources that 2.2 is in it's testing stage. Also, someone posted pictures on 4chan of a HTC Magic running Froyo.
I'd normally be very skeptical about anything I hear on 4chan, but these look legit. From what I've read, they're going to slow Android core updates to a crawl now that the OS has reached maturity. They are going to put all the Google apps in the market starting with this release. (ie Dialer, Music, Youtube, Gmail etc etc) That'll allow them to update those components individually so people using certain devices won't get stuck using old software for an unreasonable amount of time. *cough*
This'll help reduce the fragmentation issues that have plagued the platform from the get-go.

illogic6 said:
You, sir, are correct. I've heard from reliable sources that 2.2 is in it's testing stage. Also, someone posted pictures on 4chan of a HTC Magic running Froyo.
I'd normally be very skeptical about anything I hear on 4chan, but those look legit.
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I saw these pictures, but never really realized they where from a Magic. Looks like we could possibly run 2.2, but again that portable app engine seems like it wouldn't work well on our phones. Java's mantra of "Write once, run anywhere" doesn't take in to affect the performance of the host machine. Google could prove me wrong, they have before.

What's the download?
OK... so I went to the android police site about froyo. It absolutely sounds way out there, but what is the download they're linking to? Anyone download it to see what it is? I'm kinda scared to thinking that it'll pop up a virus or something but I don't think android police would do that. Would they? Anyone try it?

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OK... so I went to the android police site about froyo. It absolutely sounds way out there, but what is the download they're linking to? Anyone download it to see what it is? I'm kinda scared to thinking that it'll pop up a virus or something but I don't think android police would do that. Would they? Anyone try it?
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It has been tried. Haykuro uploaded it as an April Fool's joke if I remember correctly. I've downloaded it and it looked to be an 80mb junk file.

Microsoft Kin

so these are the two new phones from Microsoft.
KIN ONE:
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What are your thoughts?
Has this remotely something to do with the WP7 core?
Can it be ported to other devices?
These phones are clearly intended for the "social generation"; success / fail?

well i actually like it. it just shows how awesome windows phone 7's full blown version will be. isnt it ironic that most of the KIN website is done is flash.... lol silverlight WHAT?!
also i like that we wont have to worry about LAG from now on lol...

Looks really good....nice as drinking a can of 7up !
Videos below !
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=15292
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=15296
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=15297

i quite like the kin2, but the kin1 looks like a tamagochi to me and a 5mpx camera with such small screen? dunno :S

Don´t like any of them
They should made something spectacular instead of this...
But MS will never loose....

nanoware said:
well i actually like it. it just shows how awesome windows phone 7's full blown version will be. isnt it ironic that most of the KIN website is done is flash.... lol silverlight WHAT?!
also i like that we wont have to worry about LAG from now on lol...
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lol, A wink to iPad/iPhone/iTouch maybe??
But yeah, strange indeed.
My impression regarding KIN
The buttons of the KIN2 could be somewhat bigger, maybe have some other look to it, They look like shiny, cheap plastic buttons out of toys..
But then again, these are mock ups, maybe they look and feel great IRL (doubtfull, but no way to tell at this moment).
The Kin1 looks like a girls-phone, there the design works, and the buttons actually look better.
The bottom piece is bigger than to top piece, I wonder how that will work out.
But the resolution of both screens are low:
KIN1 320x240 (QVGA!!)
KIN2 480x320 (HVGA)
And Kin2 is supposed to be for video watching?
Come on, please enter the year 2010, I am not asking 1080i on a mobile, but VGA/WVGA is totally feasable..
EqX

What the hell does kin mean? Why did my apartment cut off my cable? Why is my mom orderin cable from at&t? Why am i mad? Why am i writing in all caps? Why do i prefer kin 2!?

I think it's a good first attempt at cutting into the Android/Palm market. I know plenty of chicks that would be into this stuff.

rorytmeadows said:
I think it's a good first attempt at cutting into the Android/Palm market. I know plenty of chicks that would be into this stuff.
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I don't. 10+

So these are original, running wp7 core, purpose designed, well built, purpose packed, zune pass over the air, updates over the air... retailed with Verizon which the kids like...
I think MS got a winner, it will sell well, the UI is gorgeous.

If this gets the backing of XDA this could be amazing.
The lack of 3rd party apps is a slight worry though.

I wasnt expecting anything good with these phones after all they are made by "SHARP" and SHARP suck d**K in technology products. For those that own a product sorry...what ever you say it sucks and I am not interested in your comment.
Bare in mind that these 2 phones cover the section of crappy (low tech) handsets in the market.....like from Nokia, SonyErric, LG etc.
If you actually compare the CRAPPY handsets out there and chuck these 2 in with them these phones actually PWN them all !
SO well done introducing something new and PWN'ing the crappy handset market.....NEXT !!

vardig said:
I wasnt expecting anything good with these phones after all they are made by "SHARP" and SHARP suck d**K in technology products. For those that own a product sorry...what ever you say it sucks and I am not interested in your comment.
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You clearly haven't seen some of there Japanese phones, there actually quite good.

They look 'kin awful.

I think the KIN ONE looks cute we will have to wait to see what they really like?

This Kin stuff, aren't Microsoft like wasting resources on another seperate os?

This is kind of neat. You could argue it's not really a smartphone, but I like it. It's a brilliant piece of minimalism - it's all the essentials done well and nothing else. The big question for me would be the browser. If the browser's great then I can really live without most apps, if not I can imagine it feeling restrictive after a while.
To the gentleman above, I don't really think that MS is wasting resources here. They're probably reusing a lot of the same code, and just tweaking the UI for a different effect. But what an effect! I really don't think there's anything else like this one the market.

Neither appeal to me...you would have thought MS could have done way better than those relics!

Do we even know what screen size each device has? I will say I am kind of envious of the fact that the Kin 2 has what could be a nice 8mp camera with flash.

Honest to god those might just be the two most hideous phones I've ever seen.

Am i the only one..

Who actually thinks the new phone is cool, and wants it?
/hides behind stone wall.

Probably

backdown said:
Who actually thinks the new phone is cool, and wants it?
/hides behind stone wall.
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well I don't blame. I'm assuming you live in the stone ages since your hiding behind a stone wall and think this phone is cool...
haha.

probably... i mean to make such a big hype for a phone that's a brick? no 4g...? no front facing camera? this literally looks like a Nintendo DS as a phone. It doesn't really appeal to me and probably a lot of other people.

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Probably not. It is an industry first, but it's also pretty much just a gimmick, like 3D. I would have been much more interested in a dual core phone, or even an Evo with an updated processor.
I can see how it would be good for mulittasking...if it had the power of a dual core processor...but the specs are very underwhelming, and the battery life is going to be horrible.

Its not that bad a phone but sprint did themselves a great disservice by hyping it up so much. People where expecting something huge and instead got a phone.
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it's sort of like taking a ds. And then taking out the gaming capabilities of it, and then.... selling it.

backdown said:
Who actually thinks the new phone is cool, and wants it?
/hides behind stone wall.
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Yes. Yes you are.

The issue is that it "may" be a good phone once some people get their hands on it and play with it.
But you cannot deny the overwhelming negative response (see their facebook page) as a pretty big sign that it may not be a good phone.
If you look at it from a sales/marketing POV they would much rather have a phone that everyone thinks looks really cool at a press release, but then falls a little short of expectation in the real world. At least they sell some phones, and the high initial praise helps sustain the life of the phone.
Now look at this situation, especially in this economy, 99% of the initial response is bordering "verbal lynch mob", even if it a good phone, how many people will actually give it a chance?
First impressions can kill...........

It's an interesting concept, I'll give them that, but it's made by Kyocera, looks like a brick and not a lot of developers will go out of their way to make use of both screens.

xHausx said:
Its not that bad a phone but sprint did themselves a great disservice by hyping it up so much. People where expecting something huge and instead got a phone.
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I've seen almost nothing on the phone, but I agree. The hype was the worst of it.
I recall saying something similar would be great. I dropped the thought when tablets came.
EDIT-saw the video. WTF? Now I know why people said brick. I no longer have any interest even in passing.

The biggest issue is that from what i understand, its a basic Android. Phone with a 2nd gen snap dragon running 2 screens. Won't that hurt performance?
Sent from my evo 4g

Say "neat-o" and move on down the line.
You have been EVOfied.

4G - I don't have it...and i don't need it.
Front facing camera - Mine sucks..i hardly use it.
Maybe it's just the cool factor of it, but I think it looks more professional than the Evo.

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but I think it looks more professional than the Evo.
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And a frumpy ***** in a business suit (echo) looks more professional than a supermodel (evo). Guess which one I want in my pants?

uniquenameevo said:
And a frumpy ***** in a business suit looks more professional than a supermodel. Guess which one I want in my pants?
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lol. processor isn't to bad tho... same as as shift (which beats the evo) but clocked even higher.

aimbdd said:
lol. processor isn't to bad tho... same as as shift (which beats the evo) but clocked even higher.
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Nope. It's loaded with a first gen snapdragon... I repeat. Epic fail.

backdown said:
Maybe it's just the cool factor of it, but I think it looks more professional than the Evo.
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now thats just silly!
But, remember,
you will never get an update past the OS that they ship it with
you get like a whole 5 apps that can utilize both screens, and no developer is going to waste time expanding their code base to accommodate this
and now i have lost interest! lol

cheapskate88 said:
Nope. It's loaded with a first gen snapdragon... I repeat. Epic fail.
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Actually its the second gen check out engadget fire more proof...i don't feel like providing it.
. Under the hood there's a 1GHz second-gen Snapdragon running Android 2.2 -- we'll forgive the older software because Kyocera had to do extensive customization to add dual-screen support to seven core apps like the browser, email, and messaging.
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galaxy tab porn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtqXLGPzVMk
do want

stiffspliff said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtqXLGPzVMk
do want
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Awesome tab

Very VERY attractive...I'd tap that screen in a heart beat...

stiffspliff said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtqXLGPzVMk
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The only problem is the amount of apps designed for tablet use only, there isn't that many, oh yeah and it's samsung lol

iitreatedii said:
The only problem is the amount of apps designed for tablet use only, there isn't that many, oh yeah and it's samsung lol
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Samsung is one of if not the best consumer electronics manufacturers in the world.
I am drooling over this, and I heard the 16 GB Wifi only version will be $399!!!

meh... im not into the tablet craze.

fixxxer2008 said:
meh... im not into the tablet craze.
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thinking about buying a NookyColor to root, have as a lil toy for my coffee table...

kingdazy said:
thinking about buying a NookyColor to root, have as a lil toy for my coffee table...
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not me, i just built my custom pc, so im happy. i only need the pc & my smartphone.

matt2053 said:
Samsung is one of if not the best consumer electronics manufacturers in the world.
I am drooling over this, and I heard the 16 GB Wifi only version will be $399!!!
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Thank you. i had a samsung phone [not a smart phone] never had a problem. Loving my samsung LED tv...no problems. I love samsung personally. I don't know what's witht he grudge against them.

fixxxer2008 said:
not me, i just built my custom pc, so im happy. i only need the pc & my smartphone.
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lol. ive got 1) server for storing my 700 movie collection 2) gaming/torrent harvesting box 3) home theater PC for my HDTV 4) laptop by my bed for... um... stuff.
I guess I'm only missing a tablet for ... idk why. to impress chicks.
(My HDTV Plasma is a Samsung, and I love the holy fu*k outa that thing.)
latest project below...
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how much ram you got in that beast?

fixxxer2008 said:
how much ram you got in that beast?
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16g, with room for another 8.
sadly, i'm building it for a client, not for me. this thing is a gawdamned beast. my electric bill would double if I took it home.

I want a galaxy tab 10.1....

kingdazy said:
16g, with room for another 8.
sadly, i'm building it for a client, not for me. this thing is a gawdamned beast. my electric bill would double if I took it home.
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I may not have a server, but my Asus Rampage III formula board, with a I7-950 overclocked to 4.1 Ghz with 12GB of Corsair DDR3 ram and a PNY GTX470, with 6 40GB Intel X25 SSD in a Raid0, does just fine as my custom built gaming PC.
plan on adding a second GTX 470 at some point.

@00:31- "Email pushed to your phone"?

fixxxer2008 said:
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+1
I admit, it looks really nice.
But I can't think of a single purpose where it would serve me any better than my phone would. It's only slightly less of a hassle to carry around than a laptop.. and a laptop can do much more.
I honestly don't get the craze.

I'll also admit that it looks really nice but the fact that it's a Samsung product makes me very reluctant to buy one. I wonder how well they will support and update it.

it has nothing to so with quality smh... Tvs don't receive updates and the fact that you didn't have an Android smartphone that received frequent updates nullifies your statement, I'd you were an epic owner your response would be different, my other point is that this thing does everything a smartphone can do basically, there are not that many apps optimized for the tablet. Android only released the sdk for honeycomb like a week or two ago, right now it has potential but that's about it
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iitreatedii said:
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not true strictly, actually...
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/downloads

i dont have a laptop, but i love my ipad. with it having gone out of date just last week, i already am skimming the market for a tablet. i like having an android and ios device, but that samsung tablet looks sooooooo nice.... i'll probably keep my perfectly good ipad around for another couple of years, but still its always fun to look for upgrades...
i use my ipad as a laptop. i do homework on it and stuff. even compiled a powerpoint on it for a science project. but it has many shortcomings that android doesnt have. the problem with android is google mostly only makes apps centered around itself like gmail, google goggles, all search email and youtube stuff. only apple makes the slideshow, word, and all the other fantastic apps i rely on heavily on an almost daily basis. android doesnt have that yet.
also, nobody can say games on android are better than ios. nobody. mirror's edge, which came out with the ipad i think, is still better than any xoom game... and infinity blade has me totally addicted...
for now, apple has it right. the tables may turn soon, but if you are thinking about buying a tablet, i'd go with the ipad 2.
btw i'm not going to upgrade to the 2. cameras are worse than my evo's. why use that? only good thing is dual core. yes, slim and smart cover is nice, but not enough to upgrade when all i baisically use the ipad for is work in and out of school.

KIN Skins

Well, the time has come.
Kinuser1 has gotten into the phone and was able to reskin and change configs a little bit. Making the phone have no icons and no status bars on bottom (time and recent).
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Also a few glitches were found.

He stated a guide will be put up tomorrow sometime to show how he made the Kin Writable so lets see if hes telling us the truth or not. This could be a big breakfor us. Crossing Fingers

4LC4PON3 said:
He stated a guide will be put up tomorrow sometime to show how he made the Kin Writable so lets see if hes telling us the truth or not. This could be a big breakfor us. Crossing Fingers
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Indeed sir. If I get access to the KIN's filesystem, then I'll try to make some modifications to Themes, Apps, and maybe Sounds.

Interesting, very interesting.
But on the other hand, i think that skinning is the last thing we should do, if the OS storage is opened.
Trying to open any non-kin-native App and/or the storage to the "user" like crazy peeps could be better.
So i like that "few glitches" instead "reskin"

johnkussack said:
Interesting, very interesting.
But on the other hand, i think that skinning is the last thing we should do, if the OS storage is opened.
Trying to open any non-kin-native App and/or the storage to the "user" like crazy peeps could be better.
So i like that "few glitches" instead "reskin"
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you can follow all the progress on FaceBook page.
I personally want to reskin the most. If new OS becomes available, then I'll update.

I guess that i will wait. The relationship between facebook and me became a bit cold.

He said he will be posting a guide here on XDA around 5:30 or 6pm. Hes at school. Once this guide is up Im looking at you Kussack to get cracken if this thing is real. We want a new OS lol

4LC4PON3 said:
Once this guide is up Im looking at you Kussack to get cracken if this thing is real
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That's guaranteed to happen if a door is open... lol.

lol yeah I cant wait. I so want Android or even windows 7 mobile. I really do hate the Kin OS

wow, I've been reading a lot of John's and 1's post, I'm by far the biggest noob to this but I want to help.

4LC4PON3 said:
lol yeah I cant wait. I so want Android or even windows 7 mobile. I really do hate the Kin OS
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and I love the thought of windows phone 7 on the kin, even a watered down version would be enough for me. I would just like to see some apps and facebook integration back, that would be awsome. Idonno something like the live blocks on phone 7 with the contact syncing we see in phone 7 or even the non M kins.

calm down, calm down. Putting another OS here is not a piece of cake, and in any attempt, there is the (high) risk of bricking. That including a normal flash, not a experimental space orbital thing.
Also, we dont know if we can replace things around, or just put red instead green in colour things... so slooow down.
who is in the line to do the tests? I'm not buying another kin though! (3 is too much).

I'm all for exploring this rabbit hole as far as it goes, but I agree with JohnKussack that we should calm down about this being the breakthrough for a new OS. It may or may not be. Personally, I think even some small improvements to the OS we have can go a long way, such as being able to add or remove (Win CE?) apps, change the skin, replace the browser, enable flash, etc.

yea your right, just wishful thinking

johnkussack said:
calm down, calm down. Putting another OS here is not a piece of cake, and in any attempt, there is the (high) risk of bricking. That including a normal flash, not a experimental space orbital thing.
Also, we dont know if we can replace things around, or just put red instead green in colour things... so slooow down.
who is in the line to do the tests? I'm not buying another kin though! (3 is too much).
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how many have you bricked xD I think 1st we should come up with a recovery, which I'm sure your opensorce file system could help with

Just 1 one (and was enough, rofl).
I'm kinda .... skeptical yet. Personally, i doubt that a new os is feasible and think that just "filetweaking" is available (which would be OK for testing apps).
On the recovery... that's why i got another one. It's older brother is awaiting in a fridge.
Unfortunately, the mtp->storage wont be an option for it.

One thing I would like to see honestly is the Kin being able to play games. Not through Wifi either. games like angry birds or something.

I might be able to help.
johnkussack said:
calm down, calm down. Putting another OS here is not a piece of cake, and in any attempt, there is the (high) risk of bricking. That including a normal flash, not a experimental space orbital thing.
Also, we dont know if we can replace things around, or just put red instead green in colour things... so slooow down.
who is in the line to do the tests? I'm not buying another kin though! (3 is too much).
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I might be able to do some testing on things. I am new to kins, actually mine is arriving soon, but not new to bricking phones. I have done alot of work with android, and now have a tablet. I use it so much, I am giving up my thunderbolt, and switching to the kin twom to save money on data. I like the look of the phone, but I can't resist hacking away at every piece of electronics that get into my hands. Anyway, I am looking forward to being part of the kin community, and I hope more people get into this phone.

4LC4PON3 said:
or even windows 7 mobile
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There's a mobile version of Windows 7? Do tell...