Hi!
I have had my GS3 for two days now, and i love it to death!
But i must say im a bit dissapointed about the back of the phone and how it is designed. I have been ever so carefull with my new devise to avoid getting it scratched up, but yesterday i noticed two small scratches on my camera lens...
I dont see how i could have avoided this in any way. I have been very very carefull with the device. Its naturall, at least for me, to place my phone with the backside down on a table. I think they made a bad choice not raising the surrounding frame a bit higher than the lens it self. the lens glass is the highest point on the back, and so its a scratch magnet. Im now stuck with two tiny scratches, and i will be constantly afraid about getting more! Dont want to screw up my camera, as its a very important feature for me.
Anyone else esperienced this or have any thoughts about it?
I agree with you - I would have preferred a camera that was in-line with the rest of the body.
I haven't seen it scratched yet, but I have no a case on it, making the camera concave
Yeah I liked the sII camera style better.
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I agree about the camera.
I use this case at the moment
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It seems to protect the camera well
Looks like a good alternative right there. I have considered a casing to protect my phone, but i bought the phone because of its sleek and thin design. A cover kinda messes that up in my opinion. I just dont know why they didnt think about the potential scratch hazard on the lense in the first place. If the glass itself where lower than the frame, the problem would not be so big. And i could have bought some side protection and a screen protector for my phone, instead of a casing.
This is just my thoughts though, im really satisfied with my GS3, so its not that. Im just a bit sad that i have gotten scratches on a two days old phone that i paid alot for. Even though i was super careful with it =)
Buy a cheap screen protector, cut off a small square and stick it to the lens, shouldn't affect image quality much and will offer some protection. If you buy one of those re-stickable ones with the gel glue it should fill in the scratches while it's on as well, as long as they aren't deep.
Just noticed on the disassembly video of the SG3 that there is a plastic cover holding the lensglass and the led light that you could easily take apart in like 2 min and have it replaced. Gives me hope in i should crack the lensglass, as i guess the spare part will be available soon, if not already. This is worst case scenario offcourse.
I might consider the screenprotector trick for the cam lens. Would have to take som testshots and see if it affects the pictures much though. Good tip!
here is my post, with quite a few pics of my case:
http://www.totallydubbed.net/2012/0...ase-terrapin-screen-protector-guide-overview/
The was was only £4, but WELL worth it.
The design pisses me off too. Also hate the fact that they've used pretty much the same material for the lens as the S1 and S2. It smudges very easily which affects picture quality. I always need to wipe it down with my shirt when taking pics.
I've also owned most iPhones and the lens always stays clear even after touching it.
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Tachikoma_kun said:
Buy a cheap screen protector, cut off a small square and stick it to the lens, shouldn't affect image quality much and will offer some protection. If you buy one of those re-stickable ones with the gel glue it should fill in the scratches while it's on as well, as long as they aren't deep.
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Good idea. I might try that when I get rid of my case
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sxi200 said:
The design pisses me off too. Also hate the fact that they've used pretty much the same material for the lens as the S1 and S2. It smudges very easily which affects picture quality. I always need to wipe it down with my shirt when taking pics.
I've also owned most iPhones and the lens always stays clear even after touching it.
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I have owned the iPhone, iPhone 3G, 3GS, and 4S and ALL of them got smudges on the lens when touched. That is what happens when you touch the lens with your fingers/hands or lint from your pocket gets a chance to play.
With that aside, I haven't fully understood why phones need to have the camera bumped out from the rest of the body. I always fear scratching the lens because of that! I will definitely pick up a thin case for my GS3 to help prevent anything from happening to the lens.
I agree also. It's just a matter of time before you get scratches without protection. Stupid design choice by samsung..
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I have owned the iPhone, iPhone 3G, 3GS, and 4S and ALL of them got smudges on the lens when touched. That is what happens when you touch the lens with your fingers/hands or lint from your pocket gets a chance to play.
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Yes the iPhone smudges but a wipe or 2 with my finger and its clear again. With the S series the lens just leaves streaks behind. In the end I need to use a shirt to really clean it up.
Not 100% sure but I think Apple uses glass lenses while Sammy uses plastic.
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I have owned the iPhone, iPhone 3G, 3GS, and 4S and ALL of them got smudges on the lens when touched. That is what happens when you touch the lens with your fingers/hands or lint from your pocket gets a chance to play.
With that aside, I haven't fully understood why phones need to have the camera bumped out from the rest of the body. I always fear scratching the lens because of that! I will definitely pick up a thin case for my GS3 to help prevent anything from happening to the lens.
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Glad to hers you've switch from iphones. Had a few myself and the s3 is so much better overall.
They need to have room between the sensor and the lens its self. Otherwise it would mean the rest of the phone being thicker to flatten the back. Cameras with large zooms on tiny bodies use tiny cmos sensors to compensate for it. Even though it's not ideal I'd rather have it this way and have a half decent camera on my phone. With a case it really isn't an issue.
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My sgs1's outer lens is covered in small scratches, there is no difference in IQ, images are sharp across the frame.
Generally, the outermost element is the least important in terms of damage/IQ reduction. Whilst this is for a lens with many elements, it will give you and idea about what I mean:
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2008/10/front-element-scratches
If you're that fussed buy a screen protector and cut it, as others have mentioned.
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I've noticed that the viewing angles and visibility in sunlight of Samsung's Super AMOLED+ displays are below average, contrary to the company's claims.
I know for a fact that reflections in any touchscreen display can be eliminated by bonding the glass to the LCD panel using a transparent resin. As there are less layers of reflective surface redirecting the light rays (from sunlight and the display itself), visibility can be increased dramatically.
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I disassembled an old Nokia X6 I had about a year ago and bonded the glass to the TFT LCD panel using high transparency superglue. When indoors it may seem to be about the same, but there is a big difference when outdoors. The Nokia X6 has surprisingly far better visibility in sunlight than the Samsung Galaxy S2.
When seen from nearly in-line with the glass, you can see quite a difference.
Some bonus photos from a while back when the screen wasn't cracked
Here's a video (it's in 1080p):
Imagine the possibilities if done to a Super AMOLED+ display like the Galaxy SII's.
Some questions:
Is there anyone here (on XDA) willing to do it?
Why hasn't Samsung already done so already?
Ah, back in the early days of SAMOLED displays with poor sunlight visibility...
Tough to really see a difference in those photos. I'm curious about the long term effects of this like yellowing and glue coming undone. Also, this adds a lot of unnecessary complexity to manufacturing process. Imagine if some bubbles got trapped in there. Anyone who's ever put a screen protector on a phone knows how annoying that can be.
It's not that hard
ben999_ said:
Tough to really see a difference in those photos. I'm curious about the long term effects of this like yellowing and glue coming undone. Also, this adds a lot of unnecessary complexity to manufacturing process. Imagine if some bubbles got trapped in there. Anyone who's ever put a screen protector on a phone knows how annoying that can be.
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As of now, there aren't any signs of yellowing or glue becoming undone. In fact, the glass now survives a 1.5 meter drop. For the record, the glue only has bubbles around the side because I didn't seal the edges of the LCD panel.
Also, I did a bit of research. The iPhone 4 and 4S has already done this on a mass production scale, but with IPS displays. I don't think it would be much harder for Samsung to do as they manufacture their own displays anyway.
I'll post better pictures tomorrow.
ACTUALLY, as you can see in my last photo, barely any light is visible from the Galaxy SII's display at that angle. You may be able to see it on an AMOLED display but not on a mediocre contrast LCD display (I can't even see the Galaxy SII's display on my LCD monitor).
ben999_ said:
'm curious about the long term effects of this like yellowing and glue coming undone. Also, this adds a lot of unnecessary complexity to manufacturing process. Imagine if some bubbles got trapped in there. Anyone who's ever put a screen protector on a phone knows how annoying that can be.
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Consider the fact that Superglue was invented for the purpose of gluing camera lenses together (in part, to eliminate reflections). The optical industry covered all of your concerns decades ago.
Pretty much, although they'd call it something else like bonding resin.
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What case are you using? It's awesome!!
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What case are you using? It's awesome!!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22436462&postcount=24
It is called 'Sweet Armor GS2'. I also have an aluminium battery cover on it.
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But i think there are already solutions for it atleast Chinese have it. Dont u heared of antiglare screen gaurds? Which is not so transperent( its darker) but u will never notice its presence over the screen. Which is also not that much smooth.
It can improve reading in sunlight and also is fingerprint and scratch resistant. But is costlier than normal gaurds. Its about 20$ .
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ben999_ said:
Tough to really see a difference in those photos. I'm curious about the long term effects of this like yellowing and glue coming undone. Also, this adds a lot of unnecessary complexity to manufacturing process. Imagine if some bubbles got trapped in there. Anyone who's ever put a screen protector on a phone knows how annoying that can be.
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If they use a colourless resin it stands a better chance of not yellowing and won't come undone. The biggest issue I see is bubbles. Resins are notorious for them as they are more syrup-like that glue. If the manage to get that thing on there though, they will never be able to get it off. Kiss the chance of replacing a digitizer goodbye.
I'd rather leave it to Samsung/hardware developers to find a solution. You're talking about a potentially dangerous, warranty voiding procedure to replace using your hand to cast a shadow.
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As of now, there aren't any signs of yellowing or glue becoming undone. In fact, the glass now survives a 1.5 meter drop. For the record, the glue only has bubbles around the side because I didn't seal the edges of the LCD panel.
Also, I did a bit of research. The iPhone 4 and 4S has already done this on a mass production scale, but with IPS displays. I don't think it would be much harder for Samsung to do as they manufacture their own displays anyway.
I'll post better pictures tomorrow.
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The one thing about the iPhone 4 is that there is still a gap layer between teh digitizer and the lcd. I have replaced many iPhone 4 digitizers in my time. That being said, there is an air gap there which will cause diffraction. In order todo this problem, the resin needs to be appied to the digitizer so it will be combined to the LCD.
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But i think there are already solutions for it atleast Chinese have it. Dont u heared of antiglare screen gaurds? Which is not so transperent( its darker) but u will never notice its presence over the screen. Which is also not that much smooth.
It can improve reading in sunlight and also is fingerprint and scratch resistant. But is costlier than normal gaurds. Its about 20$ .
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I know of anti glare screen protectors. In fact, I know them too well. Their light diffusing properties make an otherwise sharp display look fuzzy. Pixels are no longer in line with each other but instead appear to look scattered. The thing with anti glare screen protectors is that they prevent external reflections from travelling in a straight line, thereby reducing glare.
My aim here is that I want to reduce the reflections altogether, not spread them out.
Also, I am curious as to how you can pay $20 for a single screen protector. I always buy them from eBay because you can get at least 30 for the price of $20.
Some better photos
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Tough to really see a difference in those photos. I'm curious about the long term effects of this like yellowing and glue coming undone. Also, this adds a lot of unnecessary complexity to manufacturing process. Imagine if some bubbles got trapped in there. Anyone who's ever put a screen protector on a phone knows how annoying that can be.
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Here are some better photos. Sorry for the shakiness though.
To make a good comparison, I have a screenshot of the Nokia X6 on the Galaxy SII. Both displays are at full brightness but my camera decided to take the light metering value from the Galaxy SII so the Nokia X6 looks dimmer.
This is the Nokia X6's display viewed from around 85 degrees from where 0 degrees is perpendicular to the display (if that made sense). Look for the red Opera icon.
And this is the Galaxy SII's display from around the same angle. Also look for the red Opera icon.
As others mentioned, what are you supposed to do if the digitizer fails? There's a reason the screen isn't actually bonded.
O rly?
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As others mentioned, what are you supposed to do if the digitizer fails? There's a reason the screen isn't actually bonded.
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If the digitizer fails, you'll have to replace both the digitizer and the display panel.
It's not uncommon now; the Galaxy SII's display assembly is already a single piece, not separable into its individual parts without damaging the panel. The two parts were made to be a single assembly at the factory. Besides, they aren't expensive. The combined cost of a Nokia X6's digitizer and LCD doesn't exceed $50. If you want to replace a cracked Galaxy SII digitizer or faulty AMOLED panel, you'll have to buy the whole assembly anyway.
A genuine Samsung panel costs $180, but for reasons that shall remain unexplained, it is possible to buy third party Galaxy SII digitizers on the internet for around $10. I don't know how that's going to work. Maybe the stock digitizer and LCD panel can be separated into two separate pieces so if only the glass cracks you can replace the digitizer.
EDIT: I checked. The Galaxy SII's glass and the LCD panel are fused together using some glue which looks to be inseparable. This was supposedly meant to prevent dust from getting in. It's a reasonable excuse.
Oh yeah, as seen in the pictures I posted, the Nokia X6's digitizer is badly cracked but is still fully functional. I cracked the screen once before but to a much lesser extent, but the digitizer failed anyway.
As you can see, the display assemply can be separated.
It wasn't cracked that badly, but it didn't work.
Is there any easy way to spread out the super glue? This sounds like a great idea but superglue can be a huge PITA to work with, especially with something expensive.
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Is there any easy way to spread out the super glue? This sounds like a great idea but superglue can be a huge PITA to work with, especially with something expensive.
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I used around a full bottle of Aron Alpha Instant Glue (the Alpha Cyanoacrylate one) for the Nokia X6's screen, and it's quite alright as long as there isn't any dust on the glass or the LCD. If bubbles form as you're applying the glue, just pop them with a needle. The glue is quite runny, so when applied to the glass on a flat surface it should just spread out evenly.
Unfortunately, one thing that I didn't do was have a rectangular foam border for the LCD to sit on so that the glue doesn't escape from underneath the LCD panel form bubbles after the LCD is placed on top of the glass.
Since there is no direct contact of surfaces for the glue to actually bond (and you're using a full 2 grams of it), drying takes a lot longer. I recommend letting it dry for a full 24 hours before moving it.
This is the closest I could find to the one that I used.
Mine came in an orange plastic bottle which looks exactly like this
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Oh yeah, as seen in the pictures I posted, the Nokia X6's digitizer is badly cracked but is still fully functional.
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Beware of using cracked screens without protecting your fingers with a screen protector (even packing tape works well in a pinch) You do NOT want to slice your fingertips with the ultra sharp edges on a cracked screen.
vantt1 said:
If the digitizer fails, you'll have to replace both the digitizer and the display panel.
It's not uncommon now; the Galaxy SII's display assembly is already a single piece, not separable into its individual parts without damaging the panel. The two parts were made to be a single assembly at the factory. Besides, they aren't expensive. The combined cost of a Nokia X6's digitizer and LCD doesn't exceed $50. If you want to replace a cracked Galaxy SII digitizer or faulty AMOLED panel, you'll have to buy the whole assembly anyway.
A genuine Samsung panel costs $180, but for reasons that shall remain unexplained, it is possible to buy third party Galaxy SII digitizers on the internet for around $10. I don't know how that's going to work. Maybe the stock digitizer and LCD panel can be separated into two separate pieces so if only the glass cracks you can replace the digitizer.
EDIT: I checked. The Galaxy SII's glass and the LCD panel are fused together using some glue which looks to be inseparable. This was supposedly meant to prevent dust from getting in. It's a reasonable excuse.
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I can say for a fact and from experience that these "combined" or "bonded" screens come apart. I am not sure what they use but I highly doubt it's super glue. And if they are sealed together, I am assuming it's just an edge seal or else it would do what you are saying right?
Everybody, please invest in a good screen protector, as I have just found out for myself, Gorilla Glass is not as scratch proof as I thought, and I already have minute scratches on the screen of my S3. My old HTC Desire stayed scratch free for MONTHS without one on. Really not impressed.
I'm buying a Zagg Invisible Shield screen protector, apparently this helps to hide scratches.
bortak said:
Everybody, please invest in a good screen protector, as I have just found out for myself, Gorilla Glass is not as scratch proof as I thought, and I already have minute scratches on the screen of my S3. My old HTC Desire stayed scratch free for MONTHS without one on. Really not impressed.
I'm buying a Zagg Invisible Shield screen protector, apparently this helps to hide scratches.
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Erm.. Could be u scratching the oleophobic coating n nt the glass itself..
What does the title of your post even mean... There is gorilla glass on the phone, period.
It can still be scratched
I have a desire with a few scratches on the screen
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the glass on the one x is crap to, mine got a scratch from just looking at it
both the one x and the s3 don't seem as durable as older phones with gorilla glass
That sucks... My Wildfire doesn't have a single scratch even after being scratch tested by my classmate (he didn't believe it's scratchproof) with keys, concrete, a knife and some other stuff.
lol @ title.
it could be misunderstood that his my meaning his ass could be a gorilla's even though we know what he meant. hehe
haa.....haa..... good say! your ass made of gorila glass???????????? dude every gorila glass protected screen got scratches. my evo 3 D also got scratches! But the gorila glass protected screen got less scratches!
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What does the title of your post even mean... There is gorilla glass on the phone, period.
It can still be scratched
I have a desire with a few scratches on the screen
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Gorilla Glass is marketed as very scratch resistant and the best thing that can be used for the phone, and yet, after owning the phone for 5 days it already has scratches, while a 2 year old HTC Desire never had a screen protector on, and still has none on it. This is just false, overhyped advertising and GG2 in actual fact sucks. That's what the thread title means, didn't expect it to be so hard to understand.
Just to add, it's been in my pocket all this time, and no, my pocket is not filled with diamond dust.
Gorilla glass in by no means completely scratch proof and there are a multitude of threads on these forums to prove it. You're just deluding yourself thinking it's durable enough on its own, and not getting a screen protector.
I've had my Samsung Galaxy S for 2yrs and does not have a single scratch on and that's after testing with a stanly blade
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Are both the SGS3 and HOX using 2nd generation gorilla glass? Maybe that stuff just isn't as scratch resistant as the old version.
I just looked at my old i9000 and that thing still has a perfect screen after almost 2 years with no screen protector.
I guess it could just be a coating but I slapped a protector on my HOX just in case.
I went to the beach in the first week of owning my SGS and got two deep scratches on the glass on that day and none since. It's the silica in the sand that will scratch it, and there are other detrimental substances too.
There could've been tiny hard particles on your hands that you were unaware of (an especially abrasive dirt, or lapping compound or a scratch removing car wax) that caused the scratches.
I'm not saying that maybe GG2 isn't as good as GG, I'm just saying I had ONE instance where my GG screen was scratched badly and none in the two years afterward.
Do you know what a scale of Mohs is?
GG/GG2 you can only scratch by sand, no by keys, no by money, knives etc.
If you have scratches... the sand got your screen.
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Gorilla glass in by no means completely scratch proof and there are a multitude of threads on these forums to prove it. You're just deluding yourself thinking it's durable enough on its own, and not getting a screen protector.
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we know that what hes saying, and i fully agree with him is, that these new gorila glass 2 phones dont seem to be as scratch proof as say the desire, s2, and so on
my one x got a scratch from no where, but my desire and s2 and s1 have not got a single mark on them
edit to say, as soon as i got my s3 i put a screen protector on it straight away
You guys need to check and make sure it's not the coating on the glass that's been scratched.
my one x got a scratch from just sitting on my desk
but as ive sent that one back and got a replacement (screen flex) ive put a screen protector on the new unit
you could only see it when the screen was of, and at a angle
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Gorilla Glass is marketed as very scratch resistant and the best thing that can be used for the phone, and yet, after owning the phone for 5 days it already has scratches, while a 2 year old HTC Desire never had a screen protector on, and still has none on it. This is just false, overhyped advertising and GG2 in actual fact sucks. That's what the thread title means, didn't expect it to be so hard to understand.
Just to add, it's been in my pocket all this time, and no, my pocket is not filled with diamond dust.
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Im pretty sure my HTC desire has the same screen as yours would and it has been scratched.
Like has already been said, look all over the net - any phone new or older that has gorilla glass - there are people complaining of scratches.
You will not find a phone that doesnt have people complaining of scratches
edit: BUT I do agree with a screen protector. I always get one anyways. The desire had that scratch while waiting for the protector to ship
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Do you know what a scale of Mohs is?
GG/GG2 you can only scratch by sand, no by keys, no by money, knives etc.
If you have scratches... the sand got your screen.
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Well Aladdin's SGS3 must have a screen protector on it, nvm, genie will replace it for him lol.
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My ass got scratched by a gorilla.
Pardon me, couldn't resist it.
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I've had my s2 for 6 months and it still looks brand new like the day I bought it dirty but new. No scratches or anything (not even on the screen. Not even little tiny ones.seriously I don't know how u guys scratch the screens and I don't even use anything) I wish I could post pics of it but this is the only camera I have. I don't believe in silly accessories and I dont baby my phone like every one else. I actually slammed this thing on the hard carpet 3 days ago in a drunken rage and battery and cover popped off. It wouldn't boot up my old rom so I just restored from a backup still functioning like a champ
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In a review of the Galaxy note 10.1 written by examiner they claim that when using the S-pen it can scratch you screen, and that it is only visible under the sunlight with the power off.
The worst part about the screen is that the S-Pen actually scratches the screen, which is supposed to be protected by Gorilla Glass. You won't notice the scratches unless you look at the screen with the power off in sunlight, but it is still annoying. Those of you who are desperate enough to buy the Galaxy Note 10.1 may want to invest in a screen cover.
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Can any note owners confirm this?
LINK :http://www.examiner.com/article/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-tries-hard-but-ultimately-fails
Mine certainly does not have any scratches. At least not yet. I used it a lot so far (like writing a few full pages of notes), so I don't think it should normally be a problem.
Scratches might have happened because some particles between the pen and the screen, not the pen itself.
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In a review of the Galaxy note 10.1 written by examiner they claim that when using the S-pen it can scratch you screen, and that it is only visible under the sunlight with the power off.
Can any note owners confirm this?
LINK :http://www.examiner.com/article/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-tries-hard-but-ultimately-fails
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I just came to the forums looking for the same answer. I was planning on getting one of these tomorrow but now I want to wait until I hear from people who have them and are using them. Can anyone verify or dispute this claim that the stylus scratches the screen?
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised. Gorilla glass isn't invincible. It's meant to give some leeway for those who do treat they devices carefully. That said, reviewers like these need to keep in mind that there are many factors that can contribute scratches on screens. While Gorilla Glass certainly does not get scratched easily by kitchen knives and blades, it can get scratched by dust. You might think that's impossible, but dust is made up of a lot of different things. There might be a diamond particle in there, who knows? But if you get something that hard and rub it against the Gorilla Glass, it's going to scratch, no questions asked.
I don't think it's the S Pen that scratched their screen, but rather their own carelessness. So to answer you question, is it possible that the S Pen scratched it? Yeah. But likely? Nope.
I don't own a Galaxy Note 10.1 yet, but I just wanted to get this across before people start to freak out about how Gorilla Glass can be scratched.
Its physically impossible for the plastic nib to scratch glass. But like the other guy said, any particles in between the nib and the screen could cause a scratch. I've experienced this myself personally on my Note. Just make sure the screen and nib are clean, and if you're gonna be using the tablet in an environment where it could be subjected to dust particles or whatever, I'd highly recommend a screen protector. Oh, one other thing, what looks like scratches could just be the pen cutting through finger grease on the screen. There have been many times where I thought I got a bunch of little scratches on my screen, but then was relieved to find out that was not the case.
As a sidenote, what's with reviewers these days? It's like they're all doing every thing they can to discredit the Note and make sure it fails.
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Looks like a poor attempt of a review to slate Samsungs new tablet. I wouldn't even call it a review just a rant by someone who dislikes the device from the start. I would ignore it.
So far no scratches on my screen. I have been using it for about two weeks. I do plan on getting a screen protector just in case.
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Now 4 days continously working with S-Pan indoors and outdoors by the pool, even on the beach: no single scratch even when lookung with a magnifying glass.
Some types of grease/lotions make believe it´s a scratch and can be very sticky but can easily be wiped away with a wet cloth and a microsquirt of dishcleaner.
I bought the 10.1 as replacement for my old notebook and it will have a hard life with me
I have both the note 5.3 phone and the 10.1 and neither have scratches from the s pen. I don't have one regret about getting this I pad conqueror!
I've had the Note 5.3 phone since December last year and the screen on it has not a single scratch on it, my 3 year old son likes to draw on the phone with the S Pen and as already mentioned still not a single scratch (knock on wood!).
If you are worried then get a screen protector, I have not yet decided if I will get one myself or if I will just settle with a case/flip case of some sort.
Here is a thread regarding screen protectors for the Note 10.1 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1838473
What I in fact AM worried about is the rear facing camera lens on the Note 10.1, if the "design" is the same as on the Note 5.3 phone (which it seems to be based on pictures), the rear facing camera lens is actually a little bit elevated. So if the Note 10.1 is laying flat on it's back on a desk you better make sure there are no small sharp particles that can scratch the lens on the desk.
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You may use a screen protector to be on the safe side.
Off-topic: is it easy to write in on this tablet, does it recognizes handwriting easily.
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You may use a screen protector to be on the safe side.
Off-topic: is it easy to write in on this tablet, does it recognizes handwriting easily.
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Check this thread for a video that demonstrates the handwriting - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1840997
Natively, there's only two things that will scratch the display; both within your control. Gorilla Glass scratches with sand and silica. Keep it away from those and you should be fine. If the display and or pen are dirty, there's a chance something on either could cause scratches; potentially bad ones. Keep eye glass cleaning wipes handy to clean both frequently and you should be fine. Either way bad things happen to portable devices sometimes so luck and fate play a role too.
Addendum: although the performance of the SGN10.1 in bright sunlight is very good an antireflective screen protector would be a good idea. On my SGS II and III and Note I have antireflective screen protectors installed.
The disadvantage of these antireflectives is a more blurry screen and loss of "sharpness" which is considerably strong esp. on my SGS III
The most difficult part will be to attach the protector which should be done in a dust free environment to prevent bubbles.
With this protector installed You will never ever have to worry about scratches by sand (beach, desert, sandy environment) or lava-ashes (Pacific fire ring countries, Italy). Nano- and micro-crystals of sand and/or other silica adhere nicely to the grease on the screen from Your fingers and thus might create scratches even on gentle cleaning with a soft cloth.
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Natively, there's only two things that will scratch the display; both within your control. Gorilla Glass scratches with sand and silica. Keep it away from those and you should be fine. If the display and or pen are dirty, there's a chance something on either could cause scratches; potentially bad ones. Keep eye glass cleaning wipes handy to clean both frequently and you should be fine. Either way bad things happen to portable devices sometimes so luck and fate play a role too.
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Probably some are defective though - mine Asus Trasnformer has many scratches while I never had sand or silica near it. The worst scratch is probably from when it was lying on the table screen down - there was only sugar and some breadcrumbs there. I have also a lot of smaller scratches on the border (outside of screen mostly, but still on the glass). I suspect Gorilla Glass in this unit is a little defective. It's only a theory though. For comparison - I had eye glassess from normal glass for 10 years that I treated without any respect and they didn't have any scratches. Also no scratch on my phone which has to survive worse treatment than the tablet.
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Its physically impossible for the plastic nib to scratch glass. But like the other guy said, any particles in between the nib and the screen could cause a scratch. I've experienced this myself personally on my Note. Just make sure the screen and nib are clean, and if you're gonna be using the tablet in an environment where it could be subjected to dust particles or whatever, I'd highly recommend a screen protector. Oh, one other thing, what looks like scratches could just be the pen cutting through finger grease on the screen. There have been many times where I thought I got a bunch of little scratches on my screen, but then was relieved to find out that was not the case.
As a sidenote, what's with reviewers these days? It's like they're all doing every thing they can to discredit the Note and make sure it fails.
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I'm also surprised at the flurry of negative reviews and the tendency to describe the S Pen as a gimmick. At some point, I read that Steve Jobs had rejected the idea of a stylus being useful, on the grounds that people would prefer the simplicity of using a finger. The reasoning makes me think he was envisioning the stylus a la Palm circa 2006, which did little more than navigation. I wonder if reviewers are deferential to Jobs' opinion without examining his reasoning (if the account I encountered is in fact true) -- the Note S Pen offers a lot more utility than the old Palm styli ever did.
Otherwise, I suppose those reviewers must have different purposes in mind for a tablet. The Note 10.1 is my first tablet, as it's the first time I've considered any tablet to offer enough utility above my laptop and smartphone to be worth several hundred dollars.
Jobs was simply a ........ POSER
Maybe he did not even ever work with a Compaq iPac which was an excellent device at it's time (BTW: the Compaq was also "flat with rounded corners" and had an "i" in front of the "Pac" )
He developed devices to the philosophy: take the best hardware developed by other brilliant companies, design the OS as simple as possible (spares a hell of money), check if three year old children get along with the device ( knowing that 90% of the people are too lazy to invest some brains), make Chinese workers assemble the devices for nothing, force consumers to stay in the Apple world, sell it for a hell of money, make a religion of "Apple", and finally go on a Djihad against all companies that make Apple devices possible firsthand.
Like RedBull his only merit was to be an excellent merchandiser.
BTW: EXACTLY THE STYLUS WAS THE REASON FOR ME TO BUY THIS PIECE OF DIGITAL ART
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Natively, there's only two things that will scratch the display; both within your control. Gorilla Glass scratches with sand and silica. Keep it away from those and you should be fine. If the display and or pen are dirty, there's a chance something on either could cause scratches; potentially bad ones. Keep eye glass cleaning wipes handy to clean both frequently and you should be fine. Either way bad things happen to portable devices sometimes so luck and fate play a role too.
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I can't post links yet, but Google smudgeguard. It is a very useful glove that was created for artist which is a perfect accessory for the note. At $16 it is a good investment IMO. Granted dollar store gloves with the fingers cut would work but these actually look nice and are designed to prevent smudging.
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I can't post links yet, but Google smudgeguard. It is a very useful glove that was created for artist which is a perfect accessory for the note. At $16 it is a good investment IMO. Granted dollar store gloves with the fingers cut would work but these actually look nice and are designed to prevent smudging.
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When I wear my smudge guard the Note still registers touches so you're better off with a thicker glove.
I remember seeing one a few months ago aimed toward the iPad crowd. I can't remember the name at the moment though. I'll post back if I remember or find it.
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In a review of the Galaxy note 10.1 written by examiner they claim that when using the S-pen it can scratch you screen, and that it is only visible under the sunlight with the power off.
Can any note owners confirm this?
LINK :http://www.examiner.com/article/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-tries-hard-but-ultimately-fails
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We had the same report about the ThinkPad Tablet and I never found it to be true. I've had mine nearly a year, used the pen extensively, and zero scratches with zero screen protector. YMMV If your pen nib is rough then you'll have a problem.
Case or no case?
Never been for the case. I would always opt for a 9H tempered glass. I've bought both the front and back Nilkin 9H tempered glass and it's been working pretty well for these two months. I recently dropped my z3 on the floor. No damage but the tempered glass did crack. If you don't mind taking away from the beauty of the phone, I would definitely recommend a case. I bought the Ringke clear case at first but it just made the phone look bulkier.
I have a Ringke, but like to use my phone bare, also have front/back glass protectors.
However in corner impacts the glass protectors will be useless as one person already found out, though he did it on purpose to show off .
I have a tempered glass 9H screen protector on the front and when I don't use the phone it lives in a slip case with a pull tab. When I do use it it takes all of a second or two to get it out and it's naked in my hands. I can't stand an ugly case that wraps around a phone. Why would anybody obscure the beautiful design of an item with a case? It makes no sense... Although like I say my compromise is a slip case.
My phone is in absolute mint condition with not a single fine scratch on the back yet so I reckon my system works pretty well for me.
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No case here either. I just use a lanyard ring. It helps with holding/using the phone with 1 hand. Will probably get some cheap screen protector though because the phone is so slippery.
The phone design is too sexy, why cover it up?
Just a belt case when at work
I don't use a case, but I didn't vote because I don't think it's tough enough. I just don't like cases, they add bulk and ruin the design.
I do use a lanyard/strap though because the entire phone is slippery. I put a Xtremeguard back protector to make it less slippery, but the sides are still slippery as hell. I'm really considering using Plasti Dip on the sides.
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Jokes aside, I agree with Shilent. No case or front screen protectors for me--it ruins the design and full experience of the phone. The only thing I would add is a protective sticker on the back so it doesn't slide on the table.
I voted no case, but don't think it would survive a drop....
Lol, Hanime.
Case really does ruin the phone, I only use the Ringke outside, that too occasionaly. After seeing Gorilla Glass 4 adverts by Corning showing 2x increase in impact resistance, espescially rough surfaces. I wish it had released in time for this phone.
Mine is naked now. My cruzerlite case lasted 3 days.
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Jokes aside, I agree with Shilent. No case or front screen protectors for me--it ruins the design and full experience of the phone. The only thing I would add is a protective sticker on the back so it doesn't slide on the table.
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You should consider a tempered glass screen protector if you hate stickers. It's incomparable to the old idea of a plastic film protector.
It's 100% invisible and makes the screen look unbelievably beautiful while offering great protection if u should drop it.
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You should consider a tempered glass screen protector if you hate stickers. It's incomparable to the old idea of a plastic film protector.
It's 100% invisible and makes the screen look unbelievably beautiful while offering great protection if u should drop it.
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How does something invisible make something look beautiful?
It won't add much protection to dropping your phone either, especially if it lands on the side of the device.
Carrying it naked absolutely out of the question for me.
I sell my phones every 2 months. Resale value is paramount, so I wont risk a small scratch or dent.
Yes the phone's design is sexy. However IMHO, using casemate tough case somehow adds to its beauty while adding more grip to it.
i'm using case right now, but a super thin 0.33mm clear TPU one . just for that extra safety feel
No case, because I know what the phone looks like, and I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks it looks like, and I want some protection against both drops and scratching from being in a pocket/general wear and tear over the 2 or 3 years I'm going to have it.
No case here! Just using a glass protector on the front and naked on the back because I couldn't find any.
I just hate the fact that my glass protector has cut outs for the sensors, doesn't fully cover around the speakers and has a cut out for the NOTIFICATION LIGHT. Seriously, wtf
Ok, now I just have a glass screen protector on the back and nothing on the front. I've been getting some scratches on back, so I need something on it.
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How does something invisible make something look beautiful?
It won't add much protection to dropping your phone either, especially if it lands on the side of the device.
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God what a stupid reply. Firstly, because it's just another layer of glass it's pretty much invisible - but because it's glossy and of a high quality it compliments the resolution of the screen and makes it look really good.
Just look up some videos on YouTube where they are reviewed or something.
Also it protects the screen against drops - in almost every drop the screen protector shatters leaving the screen in mint condition. There are even a few videos where they are hit with a hammer and it's the screen protector that shatters, not the screen.
Erica Griffin did the same test. But for now, look at this:
Tempered glass screen protector drop test #2 (off…: http://youtu.be/Ld8ISx4IL8Q
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God what a stupid reply. Firstly, because it's just another layer of glass it's pretty much invisible - but because it's glossy and of a high quality it compliments the resolution of the screen and makes it look really good.
Just look up some videos on YouTube where they are reviewed or something.
Also it protects the screen against drops - in almost every drop the screen protector shatters leaving the screen in mint condition. There are even a few videos where they are hit with a hammer and it's the screen protector that shatters, not the screen.
Erica Griffin did the same test. But for now, look at this:
Tempered glass screen protector drop test #2 (off…: http://youtu.be/Ld8ISx4IL8Q
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I'm sorry, I was unware the glass on the front of our screen wasn't glossy and of high quality to begin with. Silly me.
I'm going to go buy a glass screen protector now so I can have beautiful display now.
Never did I say the glass screen protectors were nice, I use them myself.
If you read my post carefully I specifically said it's not going to protect it from a side impact, which it's not.
I swear, people get more retarded everyday.
dedei said:
No case here! Just using a glass protector on the front and naked on the back because I couldn't find any.
I just hate the fact that my glass protector has cut outs for the sensors, doesn't fully cover around the speakers and has a cut out for the NOTIFICATION LIGHT. Seriously, wtf
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I have an Ultimate Shield glass protector and it has only three cut outs... The two speakers (onbiously) and the sensor just to the left of the Sony logo. Everything else including camera and notification light works through the protector. This one is 9H hardness. Which one do you have then?
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I have owned the phone for 2 weeks and have some really horrible scratches on the screen already. I really don't feel the screen should scratch this easily as I have never experienced this with a phone before.
The phone has been in a case since day 1 that elevates it if placed face down. Additionally I have not dropped the phone at all. The phone always goes straight to my pocket by itself facing my leg. I checked for dirt in my pockets and there is none that I can ever feel. I really don't understand how this is happening. The scratches are extremely noticeable in direct light and do not resemble microscratches, but thick scratches. I feel as if this glass is defective or something with how quickly and seemingly easily it has scratched.
Is there anything I can do to exchange the phone, buff the scratches, or get rid of them?
Here are some photos of the scratches, granted the camera doesnt really capture it as well.
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Yes it is not normal at all, did you put the phone in the sand or something like that, because i don't know if Samsung cover this damage. If it was on the phone at the opening of the box, the warranty can be used i think.
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Yes it is not normal at all, did you put the phone in the sand or something like that, because i don't know if Samsung cover this damage. If it was on the phone at the opening of the box, the warranty can be used i think.
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It was not on the phone when opening the box and no it has not shown any signs of sand on it. Just scratches appearing.
The scratches cannot appears like that, something has scratched your phone, I have it for 1 month and there is ont a single scratch on the screen, it's really strange...
2 weeks, as new.
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You're not alone. I found several lower left side. Frustrating to say the least!
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I always got the latest flagship phone from Samsung, Apple, and Google. I am not using any screen protector, just a very thin back cases at 0.35mm. Micro scratches are present in all devices all around the screen but barely noticeable even in bright lighting like on mornings outdoor. Only visible at certain lighting and when you really looked for those scratches. If you do not want those micro scratches or glass scratches, then use a screen protector. Phone screens are mostly glass and not pure sapphires to not be scratched (except using diamonds). There is no way for phones with glass screens to be at 100% smoothness for a long time without using a screen protector unless you are not using it. Also, you won't use your phone forever anyway. You'll eventually upgrade after let's say 2 years maybe so why not just use it as it is.
MarkerBeanXDA said:
I always got the latest flagship phone from Samsung, Apple, and Google. I am not using any screen protector, just a very thin back cases at 0.35mm. Micro scratches are present in all devices all around the screen but barely noticeable even in bright lighting like on mornings outdoor. Only visible at certain lighting and when you really looked for those scratches. If you do not want those micro scratches or glass scratches, then use a screen protector. Phone screens are mostly glass and not pure sapphires to not be scratched (except using diamonds). There is no way for phones with glass screens to be at 100% smoothness for a long time without using a screen protector unless you are not using it. Also, you won't use your phone forever anyway. You'll eventually upgrade after let's say 2 years maybe so why not just use it as it is.
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I think the original posters comment was meant to supplement several other posters on this forum to suggest that for some reason the glass on this particular flagship phone seems to be more susceptible to scratches than previous models
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I think the original posters comment was meant to supplement several other posters on this forum to suggest that for some reason the glass on this particular flagship phone seems to be more susceptible to scratches than previous models
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Well i don't think so. I have used almost all flagships from apple, samsung, and nexus phones as my daily driver and It all got micro scratches after 2-3days of using it without a screen protector. I am careful with using my phone and not putting it on my bag without a towel or soft cloth covering the phone and when putting it on my pocket sometimes, i am making sure it's clean and nothing on it, just the phone.
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Well i don't think so. I have used almost all flagships from apple, samsung, and nexus phones as my daily driver and It all got micro scratches after 2-3days of using it without a screen protector. I am careful with using my phone and not putting it on my bag without a towel or soft cloth covering the phone and when putting it on my pocket sometimes, i am making sure it's clean and nothing on it, just the phone.
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We can agree to disagree. I also don't think you should judge anybody on this forum just by nature of their post - I'm sure he and I are just as careful as you are but that doesn't mean we are in any way negligent for the scratches that seem to have appeared on our phones versus you
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We can agree to disagree. I also don't think you should judge anybody on this forum just by nature of their post - I'm sure he and I are just as careful as you are but that doesn't mean we are in any way negligent for the scratches that seem to have appeared on our phones versus you
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What i was saying is that, it's not that we are not careful or it's not that the phone is bad. It's just the way it is. Use a screen protector and your phone screen will be smooth. Don't use a screen protector and your phone screen will eventually have scratches. Not because you are not careful but that's just how it is. It's not made to be scratch proof, just scratch resistant.
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What i was saying is that, it's not that we are not careful or it's not that the phone is bad. It's just the way it is. Use a screen protector and your phone screen will be smooth. Don't use a screen protector and your phone screen will eventually have scratches. Not because you are not careful but that's just how it is. It's not made to be scratch proof, just scratch resistant.
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That I completely agree with you although I must tell you several screen protectors especially for the curved glass are nowhere near as smooth as the original glass on the phone itself and you can include the film protectors for sure - thank you for keeping it civil.
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That I completely agree with you although I must tell you several screen protectors especially for the curved glass are nowhere near as smooth as the original glass on the phone itself and you can include the film protectors for sure - thank you for keeping it civil.
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There is actually, the official screen protector from samsung. Not a tempered glass, but a curved film that will fit up to the edges of the phone. It does not involve wet aplplication btw, just apply as normal screen protector. Also, i have seen one film screen protector that sticks up to the back of the phone (not the whole back) and it's definitely not gonna peel off as the screen protector does not end on the edges, but on the back which is quite clever i think so that the protector will really be protected up to its edges and it will not peel off at the same time. It's a very thin film so cases will still fit.
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There is actually, the official screen protector from samsung. Not a tempered glass, but a curved film that will fit up to the edges of the phone. It does not involve wet aplplication btw, just apply as normal screen protector. Also, i have seen one film screen protector that sticks up to the back of the phone (not the whole back) and it's definitely not gonna peel off as the screen protector does not end on the edges, but on the back which is quite clever i think so that the protector will really be protected up to its edges and it will not peel off at the same time. It's a very thin film so cases will still fit.
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Cool, do you remember the brand of that one?
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Cool, do you remember the brand of that one?
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The one i saw was from ScreenSecure i think but many stalls are doing it in malls for about $4.
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The one i saw was from ScreenSecure i think but many stalls are doing it in malls for about $4.
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Thanks!
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Well i don't think so. I have used almost all flagships from apple, samsung, and nexus phones as my daily driver and It all got micro scratches after 2-3days of using it without a screen protector. I am careful with using my phone and not putting it on my bag without a towel or soft cloth covering the phone and when putting it on my pocket sometimes, i am making sure it's clean and nothing on it, just the phone.
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I´ve never had a scratch with iphones before, for years, obviously not counting when my iphone 5s fell to the floor
It scratches at level 6 on the hardness scale which is pretty typical of high-end smartphones. Saying "my previous phones never scratched" is like saying "I never had an accident in my previous cars" after having an accident in your current one and then blaming the manufacturer. .
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It scratches at level 6 on the hardness scale which is pretty typical of high-end smartphones. Saying "my previous phones never scratched" is like saying "I never had an accident in my previous cars" after having an accident in your current one and then blaming the manufacturer. .
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Dude he's just making a comparison that's all.
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