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This FAKE X10 OWNS THE REAL DEAL!

http://gg.inpot.mobi/special/X10/
CHECK THAT OUT GUYS! PISSED ME OFF HARDCORE!
This fake xperia x10 almost OWNNSSS the real deal!!! all its lacking is 720p recording and 4inch screen instead of that 3.7inch

Android 2.2 support :/, now I'm pissed off...

512mb ram dual boot too with win mobile
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Don't worry guys as soon as android 4 is relaest SE will update us to 2.2 be patient
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WTFS THIS IS.... lol im gonnaa buy one xD
it got more ram, more OSs and got 2(400mh) procesadors wtf WTF....
and its runing FROYOOOO and i bet its 2.3 capable u.u

I knew it all along. Instead of updating our device, SE has created another secret covert company to release new products and make a few extra bucks.

Meh...the only thing good about this device is the updated (to us...outdated to others) software. The ram on the x10 is good enough, and the processor on this thing could be complete sh*t.

Hahaha notice in one of the pics of the ix10 you can see sony ericsson written backwards

Lol they even copied the earphones...
and it comes with HTC Sense(TM)

LOL, I'm impressed with 512mb ram and even multi-touch support! But it lacks any 3G connectivity, max it can go is only EDGE.
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Wow! Above all are Chinese! Thanks to a: I'm Chinese!

WTF, this phone have 512 MB RAM, Froyo

we all know the quality of this "x10"...
If this phone was to be better than the real x10,then whole world would know that.
China and small chinese factories has yet to make phone that compare to big companies like sony ericsson,nokia,lg etc.
See all the iphones copycats

Meraklis56 said:
we all know the quality of this "x10"...
If this phone was to be better than the real x10,then whole world would know that.
China and small chinese factories has yet to make phone that compare to big companies like sony ericsson,nokia,lg etc.
See all the iphones copycats
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and the SAR values.

I think this phone will break in less than 6 months of usage..all copy cat phones are rubbish.

That's China product for you. Use it properly and it won't break. They sure know how to pump their specs up.

I'd love to see some comparisons of these copycats against their real counterparts. It would be nice to see which has the best price/quality ratio and which one gets closest to the real deal.

WTF ..... MT - 2.2 froyo -2 processors - 512 RAM!!!!! looks like this company knows what x10 users want lol

0.o
Don't forget the FM Receiver, complete Flash capability in browser and torchlight ability with adjustable brightness (I presume it's not the lame function whereby it just makes the screen go bright white?)
Lol.
Aaaaaaaaaaand... A "Sony" phone with HTC Sense...

It's made from stock overruns when SE's sale projections in the USA didn't pan out. GRD
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Is it just me or is the supposed atrix successor...

Disappointing? Smaller battery, no fingerprint sensor and no tegra. The battery cover does look better though. I could go both ways on dedicated camera button. Everything else is kind of meh.
I voided my warranty and your mum.

Yeah not exactly much better.Give me 2 more cores and then your talking
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yes, a big dissappointment. seems like a step back, not forward in every way. I thought they would do a Photon 4G equivalent with a bigger screen etc? That looks like a great device and an improvement over our atrix. Seems like the Atrix 2 is slower, smaller battery (one of the best selling points on the atrix IMHO) and doesnt make a generation jump to LTE etc.
it does ave 4.3 inch screen
Im going for a Samsung Note next.

Seems to me the business people overrule the tech/specs people.
"Let's add this feature, part, ect!"
"No. Its too expensive! We'll worry about those later! Get money and **** *****es."
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Err..
Can we have links for the successor phone pls ?
I am inclined to believe this is Edison we are talking about, but is it officially the successor ?? Specs are not official yet.
Need to have the specs+pics for putting things in better perspective.
"Let's add this feature, part, ect!"
"No. Its too expensive! We'll worry about those later! Get money and **** *****es."
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Hilarious stuff man

But...but....it doesn't have that horrific, baby-eating pentile screen! Surely that's worthy of an upgrade!
/s

I know i'm disappointed. Having bought a lapdock recently..I was really hoping the next gen Atrix would really expand upon that idea with bigger and better specs..not meh.

freshbakd said:
Yeah not exactly much better.Give me 2 more cores and then your talking
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All that will do is make your pocket warmer when you play pocket Android in the winter through heat generated with no active cooling. We don't even utilize 2 cores at the moment, so 4 cores is absolutely useless other than epeen.

Rickroller said:
I know i'm disappointed. Having bought a lapdock recently..I was really hoping the next gen Atrix would really expand upon that idea with bigger and better specs..not meh.
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You would think motorola would capitalize on webtop and create a market for "lapdocks". Their half assed "try" is pitiful. They could create a flagship phone with a higher clocked dual core and two gigs of ram. Hell, as things are, the other gig of ram could be accessible by webtop only so you double data rate and it doesnt eat battery having to power that ram and not utilizing it. Perhaps with ics and the better spec'd phones coming soon something might happen.
I voided my warranty and your mum.

spacescreamer said:
Err..
Can we have links for the successor phone pls ?
I am inclined to believe this is Edison we are talking about, but is it officially the successor ?? Specs are not official yet.
Need to have the specs+pics for putting things in better perspective.
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Here they were unable to connect to a LTE Network: http://www.phonearena.com/news/AT-T...rfaces-TI-OMAP-4-processor-but-no-LTE_id22369
Specs here but nothing about LTE: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ing-high-end-specs-smooth-form-factor-to-att/
"BGR Source" says no LTE: http://briefmobile.com/motorola-atrix-2-upgraded-with-lte-photos
From BGR: http://www.bgr.com/2011/09/20/motorola-atrix-2-images-and-details-revealed/
More reviews that mnetions the lack of LTE:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/240470/motorola_atrix_2_leak_shows_larger_improved_screen.html
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/23/motorolas-atrix-2-edison-flaunts-qhd-display-hands-on-reveal/
Good in-depth review: http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/22/motorola-edison-atrix-2-att-preview/
Not official but they're saying it is the successor: http://androidcommunity.com/atts-motorola-atrix-2edison-gets-hands-on-treatment-20110923/
Shame

NoNameAtAll said:
But...but....it doesn't have that horrific, baby-eating pentile screen! Surely that's worthy of an upgrade!
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I second this, main reason I hated my atrix was cause of the screen, if I can get my hands on one, I would swap it out for my atrix instantly.

The Bionic had an "operational" prototype back in Feb but it just got released this month (and looking completely different with different hardware). The same could be said about this. The battery, the processor, the screen, LTE, design, etc. could all be left to change when this phone actually reaches store shelves. But to even think that Motorola goes through the trouble with testing a device that is this lackluster spec-wise, and is supposed to be a successor, leaves me to believe that their marketing structure is based off of disseminating features/hardware across as many devices as possible to maximize profit which is one of the reasons I will not be buying another Moto phone anytime soon.

live4nyy said:
The Bionic had an "operational" prototype back in Feb but it just got released this month (and looking completely different with different hardware). The same could be said about this. The battery, the processor, the screen, LTE, design, etc. could all be left to change when this phone actually reaches store shelves. But to even think that Motorola goes through the trouble with testing a device that is this lackluster spec-wise, and is supposed to be a successor, leaves me to believe that their marketing structure is based off of disseminating features/hardware across as many devices as possible to maximize profit which is one of the reasons I will not be buying another Moto phone anytime soon.
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No anger there, then...
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CaelanT said:
All that will do is make your pocket warmer when you play pocket Android in the winter through heat generated with no active cooling. We don't even utilize 2 cores at the moment, so 4 cores is absolutely useless other than epeen.
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supposedly ice cream sandwich will b optimized for multi core....i hope and it should b out by the edisons or atrix 2's release.Found pics somewhere looks alot like our phone.why wouldnt they give it lte though?just doent make sense

live4nyy said:
The Bionic had an "operational" prototype back in Feb but it just got released this month (and looking completely different with different hardware). The same could be said about this. The battery, the processor, the screen, LTE, design, etc. could all be left to change when this phone actually reaches store shelves. But to even think that Motorola goes through the trouble with testing a device that is this lackluster spec-wise, and is supposed to be a successor, leaves me to believe that their marketing structure is based off of disseminating features/hardware across as many devices as possible to maximize profit which is one of the reasons I will not be buying another Moto phone anytime soon.
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I agree with everything you said, but is that any different than say HTC and all their "cookie cutter" sequel phones that they crank out with the same battery issues?
Too many upcoming phones out there, but no dominant successor right now IMO...
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Did everyone forget Google bought moto?? I know it was for patenting rights, but I think they will make pure Google phones in the future now. Not all, but atleast some.
I piss excellence

I read an article about a new LG phone coming out soon that looks bad ass! Basically the same as atrix but with the new Tegra, they said 1.2 or 1.5. It also had the slide out kb and 1080P recording which is probably pretty standard with new phones now. Nvidia was also saying that we should start seeing quad core phones by end of 1Q 2012. That would be nice.
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it would have to be one amazing machine for me to give up on this atrix
as far as im concerned this thing is wayyy ahead of its time therefor future proof for atleast 5 years wait n see! illbeit
i would like a bigger screen a multi cores with 4gig proscesser (someday)!
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ltdanno360 said:
it would have to be one amazing machine for me to give up on this atrix
as far as im concerned this thing is wayyy ahead of its time therefor future proof for atleast 5 years wait n see! illbeit
i would like a bigger screen a multi cores with 4gig proscesser (someday)!
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Lol, not 5 years, but I can keep my Atrix for at least one more year with what AT&T have in mind for its lineup
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I'm just going to start importing phones like this one (when they become compatible):
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/16/xiaomi-m1-with-miui-os-a-310-phone-with-1-5ghz-dual-core-soc-a/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/30/xiaomi-phone-hands-on-redux-dual-partition-system-explained/
ccrows said:
I agree with everything you said, but is that any different than say HTC and all their "cookie cutter" sequel phones that they crank out with the same battery issues?
Too many upcoming phones out there, but no dominant successor right now IMO...
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Xperia S from an x10 user's perspective

A week ago, I passed on to the XS from my good ol' x10 and think that opinionating would be useful for some of you that are in the decision process. Beware, this will be a long one:
Design: Looks is great. Holds firmly in the hand. Transparent bar is very distinguished. Capacitive dots might rarely be missed or rarely unresponsive though, but very rarely after you get used to. Phone seems a bit big in the beginning but you get used to that after a few days and start to enjoy the bigger screen and higher ppi. However, I don't think I would buy a phone that even is two millimeters longer.
Media: Screen and videos are gorgous and even 30% brightness is more than enough for me. If only it had in-house diverse video playing capabilities. Sound is quite good too. I will not even say a word about the camera quality but be aware that I'm neither an audiophile nor a videophile (is this even a word?). I'm personally against no-card-slot as migrating your files is as easy as inserting the card to another phone in case of phone failure. Anyway, I guess technology is trending toward no-slots, which is also in favour of speed.
Performance: Very fast, even as is (2.3.7?). Battery is better than x10 but could have been better with respect to the duration that passed between the two technologies. By the way, phone is very stable.
Usage experience: Like two different eras when compared to the x10. I had missed multitasking very much since it was almost impossible with x10 after the 2.3 upgrade. You can hear the ringtones from the speaker while headset connected. In-call screen looks better and optimized and smartsearch is very efficient as some of you might already know with x10. I liked the keyboard. One problem is igo fills only some of the screen at the moment due to incompatible resolution. Fast charging is not true as Sony have stated recently that they never said such a specification. Be also aware that your expensive headset might not work as Sony have shifted to another standard, which iphone also utilizes. Nonetheless, I read that some had problems with the bitten fruit headsets, too. But I guess x10'ers are accustomed to headset compatibility issues.
Price/perf.: I will not get into that old-cpu-discussion which is currently irrelevant (or for at least 1.5 years?). Other than gaming, which I don't do, what software would require that in the coming months? And no ics out of the box, is that even a con? How many phones currently officially have it? Is it stable, do all apps support it at the moment?
So, I think that, in current market conditions, it deserves well the money you pay (~€450).

Sorry kiddo, even though I've just ordered one myself, I disagree with you analysis especially about ICS.
While I'm prepared to accept the dual core cpu (not being a gammer myself).
The lack of ICS straight out of the box is a big failure for the phone. Gingerbread is yesterdays man and a phone that's intended as an upgrade should be just that..an upgrade.
We even have the funny situation where the 2011 phones from SE will even spot ICS b4 the 2012 phones. Strange indeed.
SE made a lot of noise last year about being on point with software versions but look a year later, they are back to the same old crap.
I've ordered one...yes...will I keep it....who knows. I'll play with it for a few days and if I notice any real weaknesses in it. It's going straight back.
I am very reluctant to give my money to a company that just seems to refuse to get it and by that I mean the fact that android sells these phones and that's that. These phone manufacturers have been making phones for years since the iPhone came out without making an impression until android came on the scene.
Samsung, htc and others seem to have got it but SE for some inexplicable reason
despite insisting on making android phones refuse to embrace the platform completely.
SE need to stop selling SE phones running android and start releasing android phones made by sony.( if u catch my drift)
Until they make that philosophical shift, they will continue to lag behind.
Xperia s...fantastic display(the best available), great camera, competent hardware specs. But once again released with dated software.
Its not so much gingerbread that I resent, it's the fact that the very same company considering all that happened with the x10, is back making the same stupid stupid mistake.
Once the galaxy s3 gets released, that will be that for the xperia s. All quite on the western front will be the story that's told about it.
In technology sophistication will always win out over design and presentation. Only a small minority will choose style over substance as far as tech goes. They might do that with all else but they won't with tech....not ultimately any way.

if i had the money i would buy it but the hardware seems to average, almost every dual core has the similar specs, and i think that the main disadvantage is to launch a dual core in the era of quad cores...
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zodiac100 said:
Sorry kiddo, even though I've just ordered one myself, I disagree with you analysis especially about ICS.
While I'm prepared to accept the dual core cpu (not being a gammer myself).
The lack of ICS straight out of the box is a big failure for the phone. Gingerbread is yesterdays man and a phone that's intended as an upgrade should be just that..an upgrade.
We even have the funny situation where the 2011 phones from SE will even spot ICS b4 the 2012 phones. Strange indeed.
SE made a lot of noise last year about being on point with software versions but look a year later, they are back to the same old crap.
I've ordered one...yes...will I keep it....who knows. I'll play with it for a few days and if I notice any real weaknesses in it. It's going straight back.
I am very reluctant to give my money to a company that just seems to refuse to get it and by that I mean the fact that android sells these phones and that's that. These phone manufacturers have been making phones for years since the iPhone came out without making an impression until android came on the scene.
Samsung, htc and others seem to have got it but SE for some inexplicable reason
despite insisting on making android phones refuse to embrace the platform completely.
SE need to stop selling SE phones running android and start releasing android phones made by sony.( if u catch my drift)
Until they make that philosophical shift, they will continue to lag behind.
Xperia s...fantastic display(the best available), great camera, competent hardware specs. But once again released with dated software.
Its not so much gingerbread that I resent, it's the fact that the very same company considering all that happened with the x10, is back making the same stupid stupid mistake.
Once the galaxy s3 gets released, that will be that for the xperia s. All quite on the western front will be the story that's told about it.
In technology sophistication will always win out over design and presentation. Only a small minority will choose style over substance as far as tech goes. They might do that with all else but they won't with tech....not ultimately any way.
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Agree about the ICS part, it's a shame that Xperia S doesn't come with ICS out of the box but still for a smartphone at least (not tech in general) I think style is very important too and don't forget its awesome camera so I still find the Xperia S to be a great choice & I disagree completely about it being history when SGS3 is released, There are still a lot of people (like me) who prefer to have a phone with great specs with enough perf & speed for their needs & awesome camera & display rathe than a super fast powerful piece of brick which they won't even need ever to use it to its full potential, and not a fair comparison anyway since sgs3 is a newer phone (relase time-wise)

zodiac100 said:
Sorry kiddo, even though I've just ordered one myself, I disagree with you analysis especially about ICS.
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Once the galaxy s3 gets released, that will be that for the xperia s. All quite on the western front will be the story that's told about it.
In technology sophistication will always win out over design and presentation. Only a small minority will choose style over substance as far as tech goes. They might do that with all else but they won't with tech....not ultimately any way.
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Son, well, you are totally wrong there. How come iphone sells too many if not for design and presentation? How sophisticated is it?
You also are talking about a phone whose specs are not confirmed and yet to end XS at we-even-not-know-what-release date! Some sense pls. Of course, a few months are long enough for higher tech but then what. There will always be some model with better specs than the former.
XS is a good choice for its price.

blakwhite said:
Son, well, you are totally wrong there. How come iphone sells too many if not for design and presentation? How sophisticated is it?
You also are talking about a phone whose specs are not confirmed and yet to end XS at we-even-not-know-what-release date! Some sense pls. Of course, a few months are long enough for higher tech but then what. There will always be some model with better specs than the former.
XS is a good choice for its price.
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He might be talking about a phone that we dont really know about but considering the SGS2 is practically on par with the xperia S, its logical to asume the SGS3 is going to be a beast compared to both thus stomping them in the perf department
Love the Xperia S tough even if i dont have it i agree that the power it has is enough for most needs
But since the phone JUST released, it would have been a smart move to make it ICS ready but i guess theyre not done with their ics update(why do these companies take so long?)
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I disagree with the notion that Sony hasn't learned anything. They even got to the extent of releasing official bootloader unlocking and support the Cyanogenmod community, if that is "refusing to embrace android" i really don't understand what is.
What phones in the market now are ICS out-of-the-box? besides the obvious answer Nexus S of course.

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I disagree with the notion that Sony hasn't learned anything. They even got to the extent of releasing official bootloader unlocking and support the Cyanogenmod community, if that is "refusing to embrace android" i really don't understand what is.
What phones in the market now are ICS out-of-the-box? besides the obvious answer Nexus S of course.
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All of the new phone from all manufactures even hauwei all spoting ICS. HTC, LG.
tHE XPERIA S is the only 2012 phone without ICS.
Unlocking bootloader does not improve your phone...an OS UPGRADE does and on that front sony ericsson are very reluctant participants. It's always one excuse after another.
I've just received my xperia s but right now even though totally blow away by the display and the speed of the device, I am still minded to send it back because of gingerbread.
Unlike most of you, I find gingerbread on this phone just annoying..I mean common gingerbread in 2012?
And as for Apple. They got a head start and have a mass of mindless followers. Most people who I know who own iphones actually believe it to be the best and most sophisticated. They think android is a pale imitation. They are mostly noobs and remain so until they actually get to play with android and then slowly even if not totally their minds begin to change.
Apple as a company especially their iPhone brand is on the way down. The iPhone 4 was their last hoorah.
If you've got apple shares...pity you. I see another bubble exploding just as it did in the nineties against microsoft when apple sacked no other but their marketing man (and I stress marketing because that's what apple are in essence) Steve Jobs

^^
what nobel prize winning innovation you find in ics that is not there in gb?
i really wanna know what such feature in ics is there on which your oxygen supply is depending on?
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Well if your waiting for Nobel prize winning innovation, then you m must be on some next ****.
Ics has a new task management system that allows you to control running applications almost as well as windows does. That's a big change. Even Sony describe it as a major overhaul.
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zodiac100 said:
Well if your waiting for Nobel prize winning innovation, then you m must be on some next ****.
Ics has a new task management system that allows you to control running applications almost as well as windows does. That's a big change. Even Sony describe it as a major overhaul.
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i have used the arc on gb and ics.both...
ics gives half the battery life of gb...
for me personally that's a downside
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if you ask me to point out a firmware flaw in xperia s, I'll say... its the absence of 3.0 kernel rather.than absence of ics
coz you'll get ics anyways later...but sony will never upgrade kernel (they never do)
and because.it.comes with gb and you get ics later as upgrade, means you have a choice betweem gb(battery life) and ics (performance)....
a phone that.comes with ics doesn't have that choice....
you'll say downgrading is insane....but i did downgrade from vista to xp after getting fed up with it in 2 months....
its not like new version is necessarily better than old version for all needs
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Comparing battery by a beta rom on arc doesn't mean that ics have inferior battery(and that to with sony bloat)
You are doing good dev work now a days but you don't know the benefit of ics over gb?
For me battery life is 2x
Being a daily ics user i can say that

xperia s will get it in 2 months...so what's the difference....
i mean.... its not.like it'll never get ics...
btw all major tech website reviews of ics have noted greater resource usage....hopefuly they are not lying...lol
btw for arc ics will not be that beneficial even in final rom... coz its single core...
ics extracts power of dual core from your phone efficiently...lol that's why you are feeling the boost
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championswimmer said:
xperia s will get it in 2 months...so what's the difference....
i mean.... its not.like it'll never get ics...
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I am taking for ics in general, not xperia s
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btw all major tech website reviews of ics have noted greater resource usage....hopefuly they are not lying...lol
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I know but because of features added and some more apps to have a good experience out of the box and not download apps for this or that from market
battery is 2x for me
Self experience is much better than blogs
So am i lying?
championswimmer said:
btw for arc ics will not be that beneficial even in final rom... coz its single core...
ics extracts power of dual core from your phone efficiently...lol that's why you are feeling the boost
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Again i am talking about ics, not any phones
and if we take xperia s(which is dual core) is missing that
And HW acceleration is also a much better feature
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-2-3-gingerbread-vs-android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-37742/
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobile-ph...ce-cream-sandwich-beats-gingerbread-50006183/
http://www.myhtc.biz/2011/ice-cream-sandwich-android-4-0-features-benefits/

zodiac100 said:
All of the new phone from all manufactures even hauwei all spoting ICS. HTC, LG.
tHE XPERIA S is the only 2012 phone without ICS.
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XS is in the market since early march and, by the time, there were no official ics phones other than google's.
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Unlocking bootloader does not improve your phone...an OS UPGRADE does...
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Really? That's very new for me. Shame on htc desire developers who developed kernels and cooked roms and made the phone very usable even in 2012. One with open bootloader would not need the sole support of companies and may use whatever rom available by 3rd parties.
Anyway, I don't understand this ics-right-away fixation.

@sahib
well, i cant argue much coz you have more ics experience than me...
but its all like xp vs win 7 debate i guess....
i still have xp to play games on my laptop.... win7 cannot run games at full resolutions on my slow computer....but for everything else, win7 is better....
there is a post on sony mobile.website which outlines where gb is better and where ics is better... i would suggest everyone to look at that post... and then decide on whether to use gb or use ics...
its all about what you want from your phone and which software fulfills your needs most.
and lemme make it clear....I'm not an ics critic....
its great...and it has many awesome new features...but i just wanna say that ics is not that important to make a question of life and death....
(and yes...my personal opinion...everyone's might differ)
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I saw that post on phonearena but its for 2011 devices which have 512 mb ram which causes the problems(and you have sony bloadware like timescape which is huge ram consuming)
But we are in xperia s thread which have 2x ram capacity so no problems
and its not like windows 7 and xp
Ics adds features other than visual changes
like HW acceleration and optimized for dual core phones

The general user does not know or care if he has a S3 or S4/Exynos/A5/etc. To them, if it says dual core, its about the same. What they do care is the screen quality, styling, how it feels in their hands (Quality, shape), and maybe some technical terms/slogans that they feel means anything to them, like Bravia (SuperAMOLED, Retina display, etc). Also many if not most take opinions of peers, or even who is advertising for the phone as guides to their next device. To them, GB is the same as ICS, its Android. Just like iOS, do they really know whats different between iOS? Not really.
You guys are the minority that tweaks and mods their phones, not the majority. Most of my friends have no idea what a ROM is much less kernals and android versions. You saying the X S will fail just because of lack of ICS at launch? Wrong, its selling extremely well in Europe as well as Asia. I actually remember an article stating its mostly sold out in the UK due to its display and styling.
Hardware wise, its not the latest, but it doesn't have to be. Its fast enough, and the screen is good, which affects the user experience the most.
I'm not saying the X S is perfect, but its a good combination of hardware where it matters and software that works well for users. There isn't any ground breaking ICS feature that everyone absolutely needs to have. You are a power user, you might use the task manager more, but most people won't even touch it.
Several of my friends still used 1.6 on their X10s when 2.3 came out. Most people really don't bother with it. Likewise with other phones.
XP/Vista was due to widespread press release of how bad Vista was. To this date most people believe its a horrible OS even though by SP1~2 it was sorted out. Fully patched Vista is performance wise the same as 7, yet no one cares because the name is already bad, hence 7 was rushed out. Mass media and word of mouth = what consumers hear, not some tech forum or blogs. This is also why the iphone is successful. Good ad campaigns are game changers.
Experiences from..
using the X10, Ray, iPhone 4, and played awhile with a Sensation XE. Friends of all sort. Advertising class.

Xperia S came in market in early March so th eproduction of the phone started early this year,which phone had ICS at that time??? all the current XS are made in jan-feb...wait till april and there will be out of box ICS.
I remember wit X10 there was a big issue with the first slot,the USB was glues so breaking off was common,i myself got the phone replaced,lack of HD.but then the later version solved these issues,XS is good but i will wait for te next slot of XS which will have ICS,by that time all the issues regarding XS will also be solved

Motorola to cut 4,000 jobs in Google restructure

Motorola Mobility, the once-dominant but now ailing mobile handset maker, has told its staff that it is cutting 20% of its staff – about 4,000 people – and wlll close about a third of its 94 worldwide offices.
In an SEC filing, Google said that the severance costs could be up to $275m in the two quarters to the end of the year and that there will also be "significant" other restructuring costs as it tried to restore the phone business to profitability.
Two-third of the job losses will come outside the US, Google says in the filing.
The company now plans to build high-end phones with sensors to detect people's entry into rooms, longer-lived batteries, higher-quality cameras and is recruiting artificial intelligence and supply chain experts to that end.
The moves are the first signs of a complete reorganisation under the ownership of the search giant Google, which completed its $12.5bn acquisition of Motorola Mobility (MMI) in May, and appointed its own Dennis Woodside to run the company, displacing Sanjay Jha, who had run it since August 2008.
Motorola once dominated the phone business, but the arrival of smartphones and particularly the iPhone hit its business. Although it tried to recover by adopting Google's Android software for its smartphones early on, soon after Jha took over, it has not been able to break Apple's grip on key parts of the US smartphone market, and its handset division has lost money in 14 of the past 16 quarters, while its share of both the smartphone and feature phone markets have shrunk.
The company is retrenching to the US, and will stop competing in unprofitable markets and cease offering low-end phones, to concentrate instead on a few phones rather than 27 it presently markets, Woodside told the New York Times in an interview.
''We're excited about the smartphone business," Woodside, who previously led Google's sales and operations for the Americas, told the NYT. "The Google business is built on a wired model, and as the world moves to a pretty much completely wireless model over time, it's really going to be important for Google to understand everything about the mobile consumer."
Google indicated previously that it bought MMI in order to gain access to its patent portfolio, and that it would not give it any special treatment over other companies building Android handsets. But some rivals to MMI such as Sony, HTC and LG, which are struggling in the smartphone market, are concerned that MMI may get "most favoured nation" status in funding and management, and access to new technology from Google.
Woodside has embarked on a top-down shakeup in which 40% of MMI's former vice-presidents have been let go. He told the NYT that he wants to make MMI's phones cool again, and is setting up an "advanced technology" group, headed by Regina Dugan from the Pentagon's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). Dugan, the NYT said, is hiring metals scientists, acoustic engineers and artificial intelligence experts.
Meanwhile MMI is also tightening its supply chain, building fewer models and using half as many components under the direction of former Amazon Kindle supply chain manger Mark Randall.
But MMI faces the same problems that other handset companies do: that Apple and Samsung together have locked up around half of the entire smartphone business, and about 90% of its profits, leaving others fighting for the remaining 10%. In the past quarter RIM, Nokia, LG and Sony have all lost money in the handset business, with only HTC and some Chinese companies competing at the low end making profits.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/aug/13/motorola-job-cuts-google

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Thank You.

like ferrari or lamborghini of smartphones they're going to make :fingers-crossed:

Lol
Ai phones and detecting people in rooms are not the reasons I am going to buy something other than motorola for next phone.

Oh no! Where will we get our unconfirmed rumors about the imminent ICS release now?!

the ics development team may be layed off this times. maybe a good time to think about next phone
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maggedo said:
the ics development team may be layed off this times. maybe a good time to think about next phone
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Not having ICS won't kill you or your phone. I don't see a reason to change your phone just because it ain't getting the ICS update, considering the phone launched with Froyo. Also, we have a fully functional CM7.2 and many Blur based ROMs to choose from, right?
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tatperson said:
Not having ICS won't kill you or your phone. I don't see a reason to change your phone just because it ain't getting the ICS update, considering the phone launched with Froyo. Also, we have a fully functional CM7.2 and many Blur based ROMs to choose from, right?
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But ICS is so pretty...
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nw21st said:
But ICS is so pretty...
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ICS is outdated, JB is what ICS should be

Zeljko1234 said:
ICS is outdated, JB is what ICS should be
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And key lime pie is going to be what jb should have been. of course things are going to improve with each update.
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Alcapone263 said:
And key lime pie is going to be what jb should have been. of course things are going to improve with each update.
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If its newer and has more sparkly shiney bits added it must be better!
In topic -- sad to hear about job losses, but this does sound promising. My big gripe with Android is how they pump out models en masse -- smaller, more optimized and maintained selection is preferable.
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Most of the layoffs are probably administrative but I hope the dev team is downsized. I'd like to see Motorola adopt a more vanilla ROM.

yeahmann said:
Most of the layoffs are probably administrative but I hope the dev team is downsized. I'd like to see Motorola adopt a more vanilla ROM.
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The new Blur4 is not vanilla enough? Its the closest to stock I've ever seen.
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xhazk said:
If its newer and has more sparkly shiney bits added it must be better!
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Not always! Actually offen new version of software is just over bloated with "new exiting features" but less optimized.
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The new Blur4 is not vanilla enough? Its the closest to stock I've ever seen.
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What's really great! I suppose that Google will use Motorola for next Nexus. Really good hardware with vanilla android would be great combination

I wanted ICS because of JB stability
but wt...
how poor they are.:crying:

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Not always! Actually offen new version of software is just over bloated with "new exiting features" but less optimized.
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dev teams are included
no hope for atrix
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dev teams are included
no hope for atrix
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Really? Are you one of them? No wonder there is no hope.

Sony is back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWysHOjl95E
What do you guys think? I think its a winner. All Sony's 2012 phones were terrible.

I think it has nothing to do with the Nexus 4...
Edited for helpfulness: Either post things like this here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2021559 or in the android general section.
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It doesn't look bad at all. And dust, water resistance is always a plus. But I prefer the N4 with pure android and updates from Google.

It's OK to post this here. We don't have an off-topic forum, or even an off-topic thread, right? Oh wait...

Agreed. This has nothing to do with the Nexus 4. If you're already willing to jump ship, well... Boo.
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Muikkuman said:
It doesn't look bad at all. And dust, water resistance is always a plus. But I prefer the N4 with pure android and updates from Google.
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Yeah, but alot of the CM devs seem to like Xperia phones since Sony actually works closely with them so they have functional source drops, blobs and documentation... Which means that Sony is good enough for people who are interested in their designs.

Non Nexus phone? no thanks.
Here are the key specs for the Xperia Z:
1.5 GHz Snapdragon S4 Pro quad-core processor
1080p HD 5-inch display
Android 4.1
4G/LTE
2GB RAM
13.1MP rear camera; 2.2MP front-facing camera
NFC
Water and dust resistant
Dimensions: 139 x 71 x 7.9mm
Battery 2,330 mAh
Up to 16GB Memory; expandable (up to 32GB) via microSD card slot
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... same thing I mentioned in the other thread. phones being announced at CES are still being released with older android versions. waiting for the update to come out? no thanks. I will stick to my Nexus devices, I can't trust any manufacturer to release updates for their phones in a timely mannered. nice specs though.

Glass back? Guess it will get scratches 'out of nowhere'.
In that respect I guess it does belong in this forum
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Where do I sign?
Nice looking phone.
http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/445797/sony_unveils_flagship_xperia_z_smartphone/

When was Sony ever here?

Enhanced said:
When was Sony ever here?
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They weren't.
But with them releasing a phone like this, it kinda makes me hope the next Nexus is made by them. The Nexus Z? I could go Sony for that. Hell, I went LG for this one, and I swore I would never do that again.
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Deja vu Xperia S release?
Actually they are better this time. I'm surprised they have 4.1, instead of 4.0. ROFL

Screw all these phones getting bigger and bigger its so depressing even with this nexus its semi hard to type with one hand when ur reaching over for the A or Q ..no complaining but cmon where are they gonna draw a line of being too big for mobile use
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Price: 528 pounds in UK.
Yeah they aren't even comparable, it's twice the price of N4.
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I love Sony and I hope they can see success in the future. I'm a Sony loyalist to the bitter end. I would love to see them make a Nexus device in the future. I would consider buying one of their products if they made devices that mattered. Sony used to "wow" the world with their innovation and design. I find it sad to see them make marginalized products. Even Steve Jobs tried copying their design and that says something. With that said, this phone looks like a step in the right direction. The physical design is stunning and I’m sure the screen tech will blow people away, however I really think they needed to bring their A-game, but this looks like another phone that will get lost in the shuffle. In terms of specs, it would have been awesome if they stuffed a newly announced Tegra 4 and some new battery tech (keep in mind Sony is a major manufacture of high-tech batteries). Sony really needs a game changing device to blow away companies like Samsung & Apple and I don’t see this being that type of a device.

Why is this on the Nexus 4 forum?

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When was Sony ever here?
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Were they ever away?
Their hardware has already been great, it's just their slow update cycles that swayed me towards Nexus 4.

CrazyPeter said:
Were they ever away?
Their hardware has already been great, it's just their slow update cycles that swayed me towards Nexus 4.
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Just as the Engadget Podcast said.... when was the last time you could remember a hit phone by Sony? Android? Nope sorry. Yes they have tried, but their company is more PS3 and other things focused. Yes maybe they are now realizing that Mobile is THE place to be( a little late there) and hopefully they can get their sh*t together. I love my PS3 and other Sony products but their presence is not felt in the mobile industry, regardless of how good their hardware is. HTC make Beautiful hardware, but even they are sliding off the map...
4 easy step Success recipe for Sony, HTC or any other struggling company:
1.BEAUTIFUL durable, Hardware, make it 4.7( nothing bigger than that)
2.POWERFUL guts like quad core, 1080p display etc,
3.PURE Google Android, with ( people LOVE this! Look at other companies that are doing this, Huwaie, ZTE etc..)
4.Stick to ONE phone and make it your Flagship phone!
5.Guarantee the fastest UPDATES for it besides the Nexus for 2 years!
Done, you will have a hot seller! Oh and market it right, no creepy commercials.

Jess813 said:
Just as the Engadget Podcast said.... when was the last time you could remember a hit phone by Sony? Android? Nope sorry. Yes they have tried, but their company is more PS3 and other things focused. Yes maybe they are now realizing that Mobile is THE place to be( a little late there) and hopefully they can get their sh*t together. I love my PS3 and other Sony products but their presence is not felt in the mobile industry, regardless of how good their hardware is. HTC make Beautiful hardware, but even they are sliding off the map...
4 easy step Success recipe for Sony, HTC or any other struggling company:
1.BEAUTIFUL durable, Hardware, make it 4.7( nothing bigger than that)
2.POWERFUL guts like quad core, 1080p display etc,
3.PURE Google Android, with ( people LOVE this! Look at other companies that are doing this, Huwaie, ZTE etc..)
4.Stick to ONE phone and make it your Flagship phone!
5.Guarantee the fastest UPDATES for it besides the Nexus for 2 years!
Done, you will have a hot seller! Oh and market it right, no creepy commercials.
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You mean creepy commercials like the droid dna being injected into the guy?

Jess813 said:
Just as the Engadget Podcast said.... when was the last time you could remember a hit phone by Sony? Android? Nope sorry. Yes they have tried, but their company is more PS3 and other things focused. Yes maybe they are now realizing that Mobile is THE place to be( a little late there) and hopefully they can get their sh*t together. I love my PS3 and other Sony products but their presence is not felt in the mobile industry, regardless of how good their hardware is. HTC make Beautiful hardware, but even they are sliding off the map...
4 easy step Success recipe for Sony, HTC or any other struggling company:
1.BEAUTIFUL durable, Hardware, make it 4.7( nothing bigger than that)
2.POWERFUL guts like quad core, 1080p display etc,
3.PURE Google Android, with ( people LOVE this! Look at other companies that are doing this, Huwaie, ZTE etc..)
4.Stick to ONE phone and make it your Flagship phone!
5.Guarantee the fastest UPDATES for it besides the Nexus for 2 years!
Done, you will have a hot seller! Oh and market it right, no creepy commercials.
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No, you are mistaking it with "4 easy steps to making the phone Jess813 wants".
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Looks bad ass
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