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Tons of articles on it, but here is one anyways:
http://www.i4u.com/article24643.html
My question is: Since I already have the T-Mobile G1 unlocked and using it on Rogers, I wonder if they're either going to support the frequency of 3G that my phone supports, or if the Rogers G1 will have the different frequency. Hope they release more details soon so I know if I should sell this one to grab one that I can actually get 3G on :S
Any thoughts?
I wonder pow much they'll rape yu for data charges.
I used to live in Vancouver, and know what a rip-off data charges are up there.
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/July2008/21/c6305.html
http://wirelessnorth.ca/2008/10/16/one-things-for-certain-about-the-g-phone/
** this says that rogers has the 1700/2100 AWS spectrum in Canada. Presumably, the Dream and Sapphire (there is no such thing as a "G1" -- this is a TMOBILE-ONLY rebranding of the Dream) launch will coincide with the enablement of this network.
Oh, you'll note how much they paid for AWS.... "In total, Rogers will pay $999,367,000."
heh heh... nearly a billion smackers, but they've got 20 MHz in all areas of the country.
no, rogers is 850/1900. so im hoping i can get it on AT&T 3G. that would be so awesome
dascientist said:
no, rogers is 850/1900. so im hoping i can get it on AT&T 3G. that would be so awesome
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You, I'm sorry to say, are an IDIOT.
If you would actually read the whole thread, you would see that no, Rogers also owns rights to a 20 MHz spread of the 1700/2100 AWS band as well, which they will presumably be launching with the Dream. Why pay a BILLION DOLLARS for something if you're not going to USE IT?
True
So June 2nd G1 from T-Mobile can use 3G ?!
what about fido?!
I'm waiting for $30/6GB data plan
its like... almost unlimited
nothings for sure yet...
either rogers will start running the new band that t-mobile runs, or the devices have a different radio compatible to rogers' current 3g band
update: seems like the Canadian HTC Dream will run on AT&T / Rogers 3G bands:
http://www.androidincanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sellsheet1.jpg
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Tons of articles on it, but here is one anyways:
http://www.i4u.com/article24643.html
My question is: Since I already have the T-Mobile G1 unlocked and using it on Rogers, I wonder if they're either going to support the frequency of 3G that my phone supports, or if the Rogers G1 will have the different frequency. Hope they release more details soon so I know if I should sell this one to grab one that I can actually get 3G on :S
Any thoughts?
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the 3G wont work with the tmobile version. different bands for 3G.
I'm pretty sure the answer to this is implied or even obvious to some of you out there from the technical specs scattered around this website (and others) on the different flavors of HD2, but I'm unable to reach a conclusive conclusion on my own, so I'll simply plead ignorance and ask it outright:
If I buy a US T-Mobile and attempt to use it on the AT&T network with my 3G AT&T SIM card, which of the following will happen, to the best of your knowledge?:
It won't work at all.
It will work, but only for EDGE access.
It will work as a 3G phone just fine.
It will work on At&t, but GSM only, meaning only voice and edge. You will not be able to get 3G, no matter what rom or radio you flash.
Yep, the above is correct. It will work on Edge only. However, do note that the phone would have to be unlocked first. If you just switch the SIM cards it will not work
currently, it won't work at all.
No one has reported to unlock this beast successfully.
Thanks for the feedback. I'll stay away from this experiment then.
ive got mines unlock and im loving it despite the t-mo brand at the top other then that im loving it.im only egde but it really doesnt matter.
buy the telstra hd2, it will work on att 3G
eastside770 said:
ive got mines unlock and im loving it despite the t-mo brand at the top other then that im loving it.im only egde but it really doesnt matter.
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How/where did you do that?
nemets said:
How/where did you do that?
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I successfully unlocked my T-Mobile HD2 yesterday (to switch back to AT&T) after visiting the following site: htccode.com
It'll cost about 25 Euros to get unlocked... Also, the support person is pretty responsive.
bearlo said:
I successfully unlocked my T-Mobile HD2 yesterday (to switch back to AT&T) after visiting the following site: htccode.com
It'll cost about 25 Euros to get unlocked... Also, the support person is pretty responsive.
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In looking at the band frequencies for the HD2, it appears that you may be able to set it up for AT&T's flavor of 3G. Is this correct?
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In looking at the band frequencies for the HD2, it appears that you may be able to set it up for AT&T's flavor of 3G. Is this correct?
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no, you are confusing gsm bands and umts bands. tmo us won't do 3g on at&t
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no, you are confusing gsm bands and umts bands. tmo us won't do 3g on at&t
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Yeah, the GSM(1900+850) in the band frequencies threw me off. I thought that was what AT&T used for 3G. Doesn't matter to me, I'm on T-Mobile anyway... and I keep my 3G off most of the time for battery conservation, lol.
Im hoping for T-Mobile but come one it was announced months and months ago and still no word on carriers.......
There is no confirmation of this, but we do know come July T-Mobile is launching a new Samsung device that is suppose to be Android... so we shall see!
does the galaxy s support 3G on both t-mobile and at&t? the specs say it does HSPA on 1900 and 2100mhz.
wikipedia says t-mobile uses 1700/2100mhz for 3G. the galaxy s only does 2100mhz. so what does this mean? can the galaxy s do 3G on t-mobile?
wikipedia says at&t uses 850mhz and 1900mhz for 3G. galaxy s only does 1900mhz. again, what does this mean? can the galaxy s do 3G on at&t?
this is a little confusing. sorry, i wish i knew more about 3G frequencies. someone please enlighten me. does 3G require operation on two frequencies, or does support for only one 3G frequency allow 3G data connections?
the reason i'm asking is that i'll be in singapore soon, and i might be able to buy a galaxy s, but i want to make sure i can use 3G in the US.
Since the device launches in Europe first, the supported frequencies are tailored for this market. I am pretty sure you will get versions appropriate for the US market, probably even one with CDMA.
ok, so a US version would support different frequencies than the european one. does this mean that the european one definitely can't do 3G in the US? thanks.
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ok, so a US version would support different frequencies than the european one. does this mean that the european one definitely can't do 3G in the US? thanks.
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I think its either T-Mo runs the same as Euro countries and At&t doesn't or Vice versa. I know one is on a different spectrum. Thats why the nexus had to have a different radio to run 3g on At&t.
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wow i'm slow. I didnt see Ben74's post. I will just leave my post up to look like a d-bag
God i hope its TMO they need a good android phone
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ok, so a US version would support different frequencies than the european one. does this mean that the european one definitely can't do 3G in the US? thanks.
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anyone got a definitive answer to this question?
It sounds like a phone based on this model (to be called the Samsung i897 or the Samsung Captivate) is rumored to be coming to AT&T soon. I hope it's true!
Ditto. As much as I like my Tilt2, I need something more reliable and less dated (can't stick with WM6.5 much longer...). Wish there was some release date somewhere or else I'll cave into a N1.
Andy Rubin, Googles VP for development will be in Seoul for the launch of the Galaxy S on Tuesday. Maybe, there will be an announcement then of US carriers.
what scares me the most about the galaxy s coming to at&t is that what if they gimp the features like they mandate that you can only video chat via wifi, or they drop the memory? I am somewhat thinking whether it would be smarter just to buy the international version unlocked since it has the 1900 UMTS 3g bands.
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what scares me the most about the galaxy s coming to at&t is that what if they gimp the features like they mandate that you can only video chat via wifi, or they drop the memory? I am somewhat thinking whether it would be smarter just to buy the international version unlocked since it has the 1900 UMTS 3g bands.
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If someone can confirm that the international version would work on AT&T's 3g network, I'd rather just preorder right now to get a vanilla version of the phone rather than a stripped/bloated version.
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If someone can confirm that the international version would work on AT&T's 3g network, I'd rather just preorder right now to get a vanilla version of the phone rather than a stripped/bloated version.
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i found this article on androidcentral that says the international version won't do 3G in the USA.
http://www.androidcentral.com/hands-samsung-galaxy-s
The bad news is that what we're looking at here is NOT a U.S.-friendly 3G phone. The hardware as displayed supports EDGE at 850/900/1800/1900MHz, meaning that you could use it in the U.S. But the 3G bands are 900/1900/2100MHz, so you're out of luck if you're looking for the standard 850MHZ 3G goodness.
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also, this article claims that the galaxy s will launch on all major carriers in the US, and they have have some evidence to back it up. good news.
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-s-goes-worldwide-coming-110-countries
We're already pretty sure it's coming to AT&T, T-Mobile, and very possibly Sprint and Verizon in the United States.
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I've been reading a lot of posts, in several places. I see a lot of mixed information about the bands. As it stands now, I'm not sure I trust any of the info. How do you know who is correct?
I've seen more that say it will work than say it won't.
All that being said, I feel safer getting one that has both AT&T bands. Otherwise, I'll find myself somewhere that it doesn't work. But then next is the concern about AT&T crippling.
This was posted today: http://androidandme.com/2010/06/news/samsung-galaxy-s-tipped-for-july-21st-launch-on-t-mobile/
A version of the Galaxy S with T-Mobile applications first appeared last month, but the video evidence was taken down and we have not heard much since then. Now a trusted source has told our friends at TmoNews that the Galaxy S could launch on the Big Magenta as early as next month.
If the tipster is to be believed then T-Mobile will launch the Samsung Galaxy S on July 21st. Based on previous rumors and speculation, this time frame matches up nicely with what we have been hearing. Samsung said the Galaxy S would come to the U.S. this summer and T-Mobile is in need of a high-end phone for their Android lineup.
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another report that the galaxy s will launch on t-mobile
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/samsung-teases-next-android-announce-galaxy-s-bound-for-t-mobil/
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The vast majority of AT&T's 3g coverage in the US is 850 Mhz. There is some 1900, but they are working on transitioning it to 850.
Tmo uses 1700/2100 for 3g, so again it's the same case.
You'll get some 3g coverage in some areas, but you can't plan on it. Neither carrier has maps available that break down the coverage by frequency
I personally am hoping for an australian version soon. The telstra stuff generally runs on 850/2100, which makes it totally usable for AT&T users in the states.
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The vast majority of AT&T's 3g coverage in the US is 850 Mhz. There is some 1900, but they are working on transitioning it to 850.
Tmo uses 1700/2100 for 3g, so again it's the same case.
You'll get some 3g coverage in some areas, but you can't plan on it. Neither carrier has maps available that break down the coverage by frequency
I personally am hoping for an australian version soon. The telstra stuff generally runs on 850/2100, which makes it totally usable for AT&T users in the states.
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thanks paul. that's what i figured.
I am on AT&T for the main reason that I travel frequently to Europe and Asia (Japan, Hong Kong) and it's the carrier who happens to have devices with 3G bands compatible nearly worldwide (Even though I don't like so much the price AT&T is costing me...)
So... really considering now to switch to the Galaxy tab and say good bye to my good old TP2 (heavily overclocked so still with a bit of life in it !)
I have a few questions
1. there are rumors here and there saying the Tab for AT&T wont have the front facing camera (And then some other places where it's listed as a spec of the AT&T tab). Anybody can confirm / infirm this ? (Would be really pissed to pay such a price for the device if it has been castrated)
2. AT&T is the last US carrier not to have announced a launch date for the tab... (Maybe it's willing to be a bit nice to Apple and its recently commercialized iPad, or maybe it's just an old and slow company...). Pure speculation: is there a chance we'll be able to switch the tab bands from T-Mobile like some have successfully done with other Samsung phones from the galaxy family ?
3. Another pure speculation: has Samsung actually disabled the hardware for voice calls on the US versions ? I hope his will be solved by flashing another firmware. Otherwise I'll just end up buying an international version (Which will be much more expensive...)
You can get the unlocked north american version which should be out by next week. It will cost you an arm and a leg but WILL work with the 850/1900 at&t 3g bands. Here are a few sites that have it:
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=26929
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http://negrielectronics.com/samsung-p1000-galaxy-tab-3g-850-1900-2100-oem-unlocked.html
Hope this helps.
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You can get the unlocked north american version which should be out by next week. It will cost you an arm and a leg but WILL work with the 850/1900 at&t 3g bands. Here are a few sites that have it:
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=26929
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http://negrielectronics.com/samsung-p1000-galaxy-tab-3g-850-1900-2100-oem-unlocked.html
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Thanks. Yes these bands are AT&T ones. Though waiting a few more weeks should allow to get it directly from AT&T at a lower price...
The good news is, if the websites are correct about the specs, the front facing camera is there (And I doubt Samsung will make a different Tab)
Seem to imply the voice call work to (negrielectronics) but it could be a mistake or a trick (works only through skype...) or just simple taht we are talking about an overseas model with the right 3G bands
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Thanks. Yes these bands are AT&T ones. Though waiting a few more weeks should allow to get it directly from AT&T at a lower price...
The good news is, if the websites are correct about the specs, the front facing camera is there (And I doubt Samsung will make a different Tab)
Seem to imply the voice call work to (negrielectronics) but it could be a mistake or a trick (works only through skype...) or just simple taht we are talking about an overseas model with the right 3G bands
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What concerns me are the comments that suggest US carriers will somehow restrict their service to GT so only data will work (no voice). So that raises the question for those of us who get the unlocked version - how do we get our Gt on to ATT or others? I guess I'm asking which ATT phone is it close enough to that I can acuire and swap the SIM card?
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Thanks. Yes these bands are AT&T ones. Though waiting a few more weeks should allow to get it directly from AT&T at a lower price...
The good news is, if the websites are correct about the specs, the front facing camera is there (And I doubt Samsung will make a different Tab)
Seem to imply the voice call work to (negrielectronics) but it could be a mistake or a trick (works only through skype...) or just simple taht we are talking about an overseas model with the right 3G bands
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Well, from what I hear is the 850/1900 band version will be an unlocked north amaerican version which can work with rogers (Canada) and at&t for the US by just adding your SIM card in. It is unknow weather the at&t network will identify the galaxy tab and change your plan accordingly if that is even how it will work with at&t. I beleive they WILL have a different plan for data for this device as T-Mobile, Sprint and Verizon are following this. Also, the at&t version WILL be a different model in appreance and features as this unlocked one will not. Probablly because at&t WILL remove the front camera and who knows what else (thanks to the iphone). That is why the samsung site has not put the at&t version on their site yet. really do hope it will be treated as a PDA phone thru at&t's network (for the unlocked version)
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You can get the unlocked north american version which should be out by next week. It will cost you an arm and a leg but WILL work with the 850/1900 at&t 3g bands. Here are a few sites that have it:
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=26929
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http://negrielectronics.com/samsung-p1000-galaxy-tab-3g-850-1900-2100-oem-unlocked.html
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I just heard today from Negri electronic that this version of the tab will not be available until JANUARY ...so don't bother pre-ordering it.
clubtech said:
I just heard today from Negri electronic that this version of the tab will not be available until JANUARY ...so don't bother pre-ordering it.
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That's funny as they told me last Friday that the warehouse in CA is expecting them on November 10th. Also, I work near the mobile city online store in NYC and stopped in there and they said this week they would have them. hmmm
UPDATE: Just sent a message to my contact @ Nergi. He said they just received the notice that this version of the tab will not be in till early 2011. You were right clubtech... Was hoping you were wrong.. lol That sucks!
Mmh all I have been reading so far sucks
Figured I would fire up this thread and bump it up as Bell is releasing the Galaxy Tab on November 12th. That will be our solution for the 850/1900 3G version I guess..? I sent a message to Nergi to see if they will have this version. I'll keep you posted.
I have my G-Tab now (Euro version with phone and data working great on AT&T in USA) Be glad to answer questions. General comment: I LOVE it! The form factor and wt are just right for me and it has all the features I miss on my iPad. Only criticism is that I find Android a bit less stable than IOS but that might be what Gingerbread or Honeycomb will address.
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I have my G-Tab now (Euro version with phone and data working great on AT&T in USA) Be glad to answer questions. General comment: I LOVE it! The form factor and wt are just right for me and it has all the features I miss on my iPad. Only criticism is that I find Android a bit less stable than IOS but that might be what Gingerbread or Honeycomb will address.
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Are you getting good 3g coverage? I see your in PA... Close to me. I know the 1900 band does blanket this area to some degree but the 850 band is alot stronger. I think I may wait for a full 3g band with both 850/1900 bands. Seems like the bell version will be the answer to that. Glad to hear you love the device.
I read that the bell version can't make any phone calls fyi .
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Are you getting good 3g coverage? I see your in PA... Close to me. I know the 1900 band does blanket this area to some degree but the 850 band is alot stronger. I think I may wait for a full 3g band with both 850/1900 bands. Seems like the bell version will be the answer to that. Glad to hear you love the device.
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Yes the 3g coverage is fine in the Reading area (better than my iphone, not sure why) I made decision to go for the Eur version when it became apparent the ATT version would be limited to data (no phone) and I couldn't get an answer on whether the "North American" version (with 850 UMTS) would arrive with phone capability OK. I saw a map of ATT 1900 coverage and saw that it takes care of at least 75% of the US, including virtuall all of the East, so I'm comfortable with my decision.
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Figured I would fire up this thread and bump it up as Bell is releasing the Galaxy Tab on November 12th. That will be our solution for the 850/1900 3G version I guess..? I sent a message to Nergi to see if they will have this version. I'll keep you posted.
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Yes that's my hope. It's also probably a sign the AT&T one must be around the corner
I could not find out whether the Bell one would have call functions or not (That would be another great sign or opportunity)
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I read that the bell version can't make any phone calls fyi .
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Is it a confirmed information ?
Thanks for the info
I bought a used N1 on eBay. I totally wasn't even thinking about the fact that there are different models of the phone for different carriers. Turns out I have the T-Mobile N1, but I have AT&T service currently.
I assume that there is no kind of mod/firmware to get it to use AT&T 3G, and that it's the hardware that limits me to T-Mo? Probably more than some custom firmware or something could fix?
That kind of sucks, if so. I doubt anyone would have an AT&T model, looking for a T-Mo model, eh?
Thanks for any help, if it's even possible..
Have you looked at the seller's return policy?
No returns accepted, as stated on the item page.
I can live with it (in remorse)..
The seller didn't mention what model it was at all, either.
I don't suppose Verizon uses the same bands as T-Mo?
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No returns accepted, as stated on the item page.
I can live with it (in remorse)..
The seller didn't mention what model it was at all, either.
I don't suppose Verizon uses the same bands as T-Mo?
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No, they don't. T-Mobile and Verizon use totally different radio technologies.
Go onto the Marketplace forum on XDA, and trade/sell it through there.
Put your sim card in it
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Post it for sale locally on craigslist to finance a unit with the AT&T radio.
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Also if you have trouble locating the AT&T compatible N1, you may also consider the Telus version of HTC Desire. Largely the same hardware, AT&T bands, but no Euro 2100 band.
Possible bonus: AT&T does not know the IMEI of Telus Androids, and might not force you to a higher cost smart phone data plan.
Thanks for your input, guys.
I'll try first to sell it locally via Craigslist.
I really think that it will be much more difficult
since they discontinued the Nexus One, and provided it through the developers only,
it has always been the T-Mobile version which is quite disappointing....
the AT&T version seem to just disappear from manufacturing all together
point I am trying to make is that it the AT&T version should be much rarer and possibly worth more on the market since there are less quantities of it
it sucks my friend I feel for you...
How is the T-Mobile N1 different from AT&T model?
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Different radio frequencies and limited availability. Otherwise identical.
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I've done the exact opposite...got myself an ATT N1 while on tmobile...hahaha
hahah. I've since sold my T-Mo N1 on eBay and bought an AT&T N1 from Craigslist.. got a sweet deal, too!
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If you Unlock the S off on the nexus one Tmobile. You can use a At&t sm card with out a problem. I UnloCked the S off ON the mytouch 4g AND IT works on At&t s network. HMMMM. Wondering if it works.
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If you Unlock the S off on the nexus one Tmobile. You can use a At&t sm card with out a problem. I UnloCked the S off ON the mytouch 4g AND IT works on At&t s network. HMMMM. Wondering if it works.
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Yes, it will function on the network. The issue is that the radio hardware is built for specific frequencies, which differ between the T-Mobile and AT&T models.
You can use one phone on the other's network just fine as a phone, but you will be limited to 2G data speeds, as AT&T uses 850/1900MHz for their 3G data and T-Mobile uses 900 1700/2100MHz.
Umm, nobody uses 900 MHz for cellular in North America... that spectrum is not allocated for that purpose here.
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Umm, nobody uses 900 MHz for cellular in North America... that spectrum is not allocated for that purpose here.
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You're right, my apologies. The fact of the matter (that the hardware is incompatible between the AT&T and T-Mobile networks) remains intact though.
Correct 3G data frequency information, as best I can make it out:
AT&T uses 850MHz and 1900MHz.
T-Mobile uses 1700MHz and 2100MHz.
900MHz and 2100MHz are used primarily in Europe; a phone made for European markets will have a better chance of being fully compatible with T-Mobile's network in the states based on sharing the 2100MHz band.
Closer but still not quite
Read up on the AWS band. European phones will not get T-Mobile 3G at all without 1700.
But in the specific case of the Nexus One, models sold in Europe do have AWS.
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Dope
I just got the mytouch 4g and i wanted to sell my nexus one. But i wanted to double check and see if i can sell it to someone on the at&t network. I currently have tmobile. I thought the S-Off was to completely unlock the phone. So u can switch between carriers. Didnt know the frequency would be different. thank guyz. Damn u HTC.
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I bought a used N1 on eBay. I totally wasn't even thinking about the fact that there are different models of the phone for different carriers. Turns out I have the T-Mobile N1, but I have AT&T service currently.
I assume that there is no kind of mod/firmware to get it to use AT&T 3G, and that it's the hardware that limits me to T-Mo? Probably more than some custom firmware or something could fix?
That kind of sucks, if so. I doubt anyone would have an AT&T model, looking for a T-Mo model, eh?
Thanks for any help, if it's even possible..
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What kind of shape is your T-Mobile N1 in?
I'm actually in the process of switching to T-Mobile, and I have an ATT model that I would potentially be interested in trading, but it's definitely not mint.