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G1 Coming to Rogers in Canada

Tons of articles on it, but here is one anyways:
http://www.i4u.com/article24643.html
My question is: Since I already have the T-Mobile G1 unlocked and using it on Rogers, I wonder if they're either going to support the frequency of 3G that my phone supports, or if the Rogers G1 will have the different frequency. Hope they release more details soon so I know if I should sell this one to grab one that I can actually get 3G on :S
Any thoughts?

I wonder pow much they'll rape yu for data charges.
I used to live in Vancouver, and know what a rip-off data charges are up there.

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/July2008/21/c6305.html
http://wirelessnorth.ca/2008/10/16/one-things-for-certain-about-the-g-phone/
** this says that rogers has the 1700/2100 AWS spectrum in Canada. Presumably, the Dream and Sapphire (there is no such thing as a "G1" -- this is a TMOBILE-ONLY rebranding of the Dream) launch will coincide with the enablement of this network.

Oh, you'll note how much they paid for AWS.... "In total, Rogers will pay $999,367,000."
heh heh... nearly a billion smackers, but they've got 20 MHz in all areas of the country.

no, rogers is 850/1900. so im hoping i can get it on AT&T 3G. that would be so awesome

dascientist said:
no, rogers is 850/1900. so im hoping i can get it on AT&T 3G. that would be so awesome
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You, I'm sorry to say, are an IDIOT.
If you would actually read the whole thread, you would see that no, Rogers also owns rights to a 20 MHz spread of the 1700/2100 AWS band as well, which they will presumably be launching with the Dream. Why pay a BILLION DOLLARS for something if you're not going to USE IT?

True
So June 2nd G1 from T-Mobile can use 3G ?!
what about fido?!
I'm waiting for $30/6GB data plan
its like... almost unlimited

nothings for sure yet...
either rogers will start running the new band that t-mobile runs, or the devices have a different radio compatible to rogers' current 3g band

update: seems like the Canadian HTC Dream will run on AT&T / Rogers 3G bands:
http://www.androidincanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sellsheet1.jpg

t3mp3st said:
Tons of articles on it, but here is one anyways:
http://www.i4u.com/article24643.html
My question is: Since I already have the T-Mobile G1 unlocked and using it on Rogers, I wonder if they're either going to support the frequency of 3G that my phone supports, or if the Rogers G1 will have the different frequency. Hope they release more details soon so I know if I should sell this one to grab one that I can actually get 3G on :S
Any thoughts?
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the 3G wont work with the tmobile version. different bands for 3G.

3G on AT&T?

i know the euro version won't get 3G here.
but if this phone comes to t-mobile can i unlock it and get 3G on AT&T?
please only answer if you really know the answer, because i plan on getting one if i can get 3G

GustavTheLion said:
i know the euro version won't get 3G here.
but if this phone comes to t-mobile can i unlock it and get 3G on AT&T?
please only answer if you really know the answer, because i plan on getting one if i can get 3G
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no, T-Mo's version won't pick up 3G on AT&T's network. they use different 3G bands. AT&T - 850/1900; T-Mo - 700/2100

Look at post#26 in this thread. Maybe there is some hope that T-mo's version will work on AT&T, but I wouldn't be too optimistic. I certainly wouldn't purchase it based on this information. There's a good chance you won't get a definite answer until the phone is released and someone can post here on this forum if it works with AT&T or not. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if HTC has an agreement with AT&T to disable the radios for AT&T 3G so that folks are forced to buy the AT&T version if they want 3G. I think that is why the latest phone releases in Europe don't support American 3G bands. Earlier phones such as the Kaiser and Hermes models had quad band HSPA that would access 3G in Europe and on AT&T. But, do we know for sure at this point that AT&T is not going to carry this phone? I hear it has been announced on Telstra in Australia which uses the 850 MHz band for 3G. This will work in most areas that support 3G in AT&T's network which is 850/1900. That may be a better option for you than T-mobile's version.

bersca said:
I hear it has been announced on Telstra in Australia which uses the 850 MHz band for 3G.
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Can you tell me where you read this? I've been keeping tabs on Australian blogs and forums and I have yet to have seen a blip on the radar that this has been announced. An Australian blog has even gone as far to say that Telstra has so far refused to comment on whether they have plans to release the HD2.

DialecticThought said:
Can you tell me where you read this? I've been keeping tabs on Australian blogs and forums and I have yet to have seen a blip on the radar that this has been announced. An Australian blog has even gone as far to say that Telstra has so far refused to comment on whether they have plans to release the HD2.
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we'll just have to wait for some concrete evidence of this. I've heard this too, but it was nothing more than a rumor. and if I remember correctly, Telstra didn't release their version of the original Touch HD until 3 months after it was released in Europe. so we'll just have to wait

All I want to ask is why create another thread with exactly the same topic again?
Maybe mod should close this thread.

My N1 gets 3G on ATT

Hey guys..my friend who hooked me up with my original N1 gave me an HD2 and another N1...when I put an ATT sim in it I get the ATT logo for service and I also have 3G. My question is what model phone do I have?
thanks.

harsaphes said:
Hey guys..my friend who hooked me up with my original N1 gave me an HD2 and another N1...when I put an ATT sim in it I get the ATT logo for service and I also have 3G. My question is what model phone do I have?
thanks.
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if you get 3G with the N1 with ATT sim, then it is the ATT branded one; it wasn't made specifically for ATT (i believe it was made for one of the Canadian provider), which is compatible with the ATT 3G
btw, you have a great friend to hook you up with 2 N1 and a HD2; you should hook me up with one

thanks for the quick reply...and yes, she is a great friend.

harsaphes said:
and yes, she is a great friend.
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Future wife

jblazea50 said:
if you get 3G with the N1 with ATT sim, then it is the ATT branded one; it wasn't made specifically for ATT (i believe it was made for one of the Canadian provider), which is compatible with the ATT 3G
btw, you have a great friend to hook you up with 2 N1 and a HD2; you should hook me up with one
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No, the N1 that works on AT&T was made specifically for AT&T.
The HD2 that works on AT&T was made for Telstra... or you are thinking of any 3G phone made for Rogers.

jblazea50 said:
if you get 3G with the N1 with ATT sim, then it is the ATT branded one; it wasn't made specifically for ATT (i believe it was made for one of the Canadian provider), which is compatible with the ATT 3G
btw, you have a great friend to hook you up with 2 N1 and a HD2; you should hook me up with one
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pjcforpres said:
No, the N1 that works on AT&T was made specifically for AT&T.
The HD2 that works on AT&T was made for Telstra... or you are thinking of any 3G phone made for Rogers.
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You're both wrong? The Nexus One was made and sold unlocked, it has the bands 850/1900 which at&t and some canadian providers use, not specifically made for one carrier or another

https://www.google.com/phone/choose?hl=en&gl=US&s7e=
http://www.bing.com/search?q=nexus+one+for+at&t&src=IE-Address
How am I wrong? The AT&T compatible Nexus One was approved by the USA FCC, with the specific intent of it being sold as the AT&T compatible Nexus One. It does happen to work with other carriers, just as the T-Mobile version works with other carriers as well.
But there is no reason they would pay the money to get it approved by the USA FCC if it wasn't being sold specifically for AT&T customers.
As well, the Nexus One is made and sold unlocked with the option of T-Mobile 3G bands or AT&T 3G bands... those bands happen to work with other carriers as well, such as T-Mobile working with a Canadian carrier as well, just as AT&T works with another Canadian provider, plus both phones work with any carrier outside the North America... so was the T-Mobile version made for O2? Was it made for Vodafone? No, it was made for T-Mobile, just as the AT&T banded device was made for AT&T, and just happens to have carry over support for other carriers.

pjcforpres said:
https://www.google.com/phone/choose?hl=en&gl=US&s7e=
http://www.bing.com/search?q=nexus+one+for+at&t&src=IE-Address
How am I wrong? The AT&T compatible Nexus One was approved by the USA FCC, with the specific intent of it being sold as the AT&T compatible Nexus One. It does happen to work with other carriers, just as the T-Mobile version works with other carriers as well.
But there is no reason they would pay the money to get it approved by the USA FCC if it wasn't being sold specifically for AT&T customers.
As well, the Nexus One is made and sold unlocked with the option of T-Mobile 3G bands or AT&T 3G bands... those bands happen to work with other carriers as well, such as T-Mobile working with a Canadian carrier as well, just as AT&T works with another Canadian provider, plus both phones work with any carrier outside the North America... so was the T-Mobile version made for O2? Was it made for Vodafone? No, it was made for T-Mobile, just as the AT&T banded device was made for AT&T, and just happens to have carry over support for other carriers.
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maybe you are not aware of how the FCC testing process goes, but there are phones that are never even sold in the USA, like euro phones, or phones from the far east, that still go thru FCC testing, yet they dont even have the proper bands for the USA 3G networks.
so the nexus one was not specifically made to be released for ATT. i dont know where you're getting that info.

pjcforpres said:
https://www.google.com/phone/choose?hl=en&gl=US&s7e=
http://www.bing.com/search?q=nexus+one+for+at&t&src=IE-Address
How am I wrong? The AT&T compatible Nexus One was approved by the USA FCC, with the specific intent of it being sold as the AT&T compatible Nexus One. It does happen to work with other carriers, just as the T-Mobile version works with other carriers as well.
But there is no reason they would pay the money to get it approved by the USA FCC if it wasn't being sold specifically for AT&T customers.
As well, the Nexus One is made and sold unlocked with the option of T-Mobile 3G bands or AT&T 3G bands... those bands happen to work with other carriers as well, such as T-Mobile working with a Canadian carrier as well, just as AT&T works with another Canadian provider, plus both phones work with any carrier outside the North America... so was the T-Mobile version made for O2? Was it made for Vodafone? No, it was made for T-Mobile, just as the AT&T banded device was made for AT&T, and just happens to have carry over support for other carriers.
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You're confusing "compatible" and "designed for".
Carrier 1 uses Frequency X
Carrier 2 uses Frequency Y
Just because a phone that works with frequency X doesn't mean it was created solely for carrier 1.
GSM is an "open" network unline sprint's and verizon's CDMA networks.
Take "world phones" as an example, they work on Carrier 1 and 2, but it wasn't designed specifically for either.

There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HW-wise in Nexus that is carrier-specific.
Nobody makes a phone for a specific carrier, carriers only brand phones. Phone is made for a range of networks, and Nexus has 2 options, basically - because it utilizes 1 of 2 chips, either QSD8650, or QSD8250, and those are adjusted for different ranges (specifically 850/1900/2100 or 900/AWS/2100). On the Google choice screen, read: "Compatible with XXXXXXXX".
There's 2100 coverage in most of the world, so both versions of Nexus can be used outside Americas and have a high probability of getting 3G signal, since they both support it. In Americas the common system appears to be 850/1900, though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks

I am not confusing anything. The Nexus One with AT&T 3G banding was made with the purpose of fulfilling Google's desire to have a Nexus One with AT&T 3G banding. Or, in other words, they made it to be the AT&T version of the Nexus One. Hence, there being hundreds of news articles and even threads on this very site using the termonology "AT&T version".
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=AT&T+nexus+one&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
Also, from Google's official statement on the matter:
"starting today, an additional version of the Nexus One is available from the Google web store that is compatible with AT&T's 3G network. This new model can be purchased as an unlocked device without a service plan."
http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/48920-google-touts-att-compatible-nexus-one
Why would they announce that they now have a version that works with AT&T 3G if it wasn't meant for AT&T?

At&t uses those bands, those bands do not belong to At&t. That's the difference.

The way to tell if your phone is the T-Mobile or AT&T version is by looking at the part number on the back of the phone.
P/N: 99HKE002-00 for the T-Mobile version
P/N: 99HKE007-01 for the AT&T version
Hope that helps!

JCopernicus said:
At&t uses those bands, those bands do not belong to At&t. That's the difference.
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I understand what you guys are saying, the Nexus One wasn't made specifically for any carrier, and that isn't what I am saying or did say. What I am saying is that they did actively think about which 3G bands were included in the device... and decided they wanted to make one with AT&T banding as well, and when they released it they announced they had just released their AT&T 3G compatible Nexus One, and thus it seems fair to say (and not a stretch of words, unless we want to be anal about it), that Google made it for AT&T... perhaps saying "Google made it for AT&T's 3G network" is more complete and better, but that is a potential meaning from my original statement and so forth.
And technically AT&T owns the rights to those bands in the United States. Since you like to be super specific and technical with your semantics, figured I would add that in.

They own their towers, they don't own the bands of gsm technology, those are licensed out to them.
Yes, google made a concious decision to make that phone compatible with at&t, but that's not the same are making the phone FOR at&t.

pjcforpres said:
I understand what you guys are saying, the Nexus One wasn't made specifically for any carrier, and that isn't what I am saying or did say. What I am saying is that they did actively think about which 3G bands were included in the device... and decided they wanted to make one with AT&T banding as well, and when they released it they announced they had just released their AT&T 3G compatible Nexus One, and thus it seems fair to say (and not a stretch of words, unless we want to be anal about it), that Google made it for AT&T... perhaps saying "Google made it for AT&T's 3G network" is more complete and better, but that is a potential meaning from my original statement and so forth.
And technically AT&T owns the rights to those bands in the United States. Since you like to be super specific and technical with your semantics, figured I would add that in.
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Well it was also made for the Canadian and some South American carriers. People in the USA will call it the AT&T version, people in Canada will call it for whatever carriers they have.

I think he is maybe not quite into the world of cell phones as some of us are, so when you look at it from that perspective you would think that Google made it "for ATT." That's not really the case though.

JCopernicus said:
They own their towers, they don't own the bands of gsm technology, those are licensed out to them.
Yes, google made a concious decision to make that phone compatible with at&t, but that's not the same are making the phone FOR at&t.
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I am just baffled... You don't think AT&T owns the rights to use the frequencies they are running on? Why does the FCC auction off frequencies then? Who are they auctioning them off to? What is being auctioned off? Nothing? Is it just a big sham?
And FYI, GSM and CDMA can run on the same frequencies, there is not point to even mentioning that they don't own those bands of gsm technology... the technology aspect is whether they decide to use gsm or cdma to broadcast over those frequencies, it has nothing to do with buying gsm specific.
Also, it is fair to say, like I already explained, that they made the AT&T banded device for AT&T in that they actively decided to make a Nexus One that works with AT&T. Sure, semantically speaking, it isn't perfect... but based off what Google themself said at the launch (We are proud to announce the AT&T compatible version of the Nexus One) it is easy to see that was their driving force, not Telstra.

Dude, I guess you're one of those that don't ever read what others write, and definitely don't open links.
Go to the previous page, open the Wiki link to the list of UMTS networks, and look carefully at the "Americas" section. What will you find there?
Ah, yes. ALMOST EVERY CARRIER IN YOUR HALF OF THE GLOBE IS USING THOSE FREQUENCIES.
Then, perhaps, you should think again, why did Google choose the frequencies as they did. Or actually, you might understand that the only thing Google chose is Qualcomm's CPU to power the phone, and this CPU just "happens" to come in 2 versions, each supporting different bands, one optimized for Americas and one for Eurasia, both including the world's most common 2100MHz band (the choice of band support can be seen in any device using Snapdragon chipset, as far as I've checked). AT&T happens to use the same bands as 80% of Americas' providers use, so?
Maybe now the "driving force" is a bit clearer.
Oh well, wasted enough time trying to explain the obvious.

Jack_R1 said:
Dude, I guess you're one of those that don't ever read what others write, and definitely don't open links.
Go to the previous page, open the Wiki link to the list of UMTS networks, and look carefully at the "Americas" section. What will you find there?
Ah, yes. ALMOST EVERY CARRIER IN YOUR HALF OF THE GLOBE IS USING THOSE FREQUENCIES.
Then, perhaps, you should think again, why did Google choose the frequencies as they did. Or actually, you might understand that the only thing Google chose is Qualcomm's CPU to power the phone, and this CPU just "happens" to come in 2 versions, each supporting different bands, one optimized for Americas and one for Eurasia, both including the world's most common 2100MHz band (the choice of band support can be seen in any device using Snapdragon chipset, as far as I've checked). AT&T happens to use the same bands as 80% of Americas' providers use, so?
Maybe now the "driving force" is a bit clearer.
Oh well, wasted enough time trying to explain the obvious.
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So you think it is obvioud Google had HTC make a Nexus One with the 850/1900 3G banding because they wanted to appease Rogers and Telstra? You have got to be kidding me. What sort of business sense does that make?
Hey, forget about AT&T and its 100 million customers, and that they are located in our home market, we want to make sure we make the Canadians and their 20 million customers happy.
I bet it is real nice to be so naive and caught up in "semantics" to believe such real world flawed ideas.

AT&T Galaxy Tab

I am on AT&T for the main reason that I travel frequently to Europe and Asia (Japan, Hong Kong) and it's the carrier who happens to have devices with 3G bands compatible nearly worldwide (Even though I don't like so much the price AT&T is costing me...)
So... really considering now to switch to the Galaxy tab and say good bye to my good old TP2 (heavily overclocked so still with a bit of life in it !)
I have a few questions
1. there are rumors here and there saying the Tab for AT&T wont have the front facing camera (And then some other places where it's listed as a spec of the AT&T tab). Anybody can confirm / infirm this ? (Would be really pissed to pay such a price for the device if it has been castrated)
2. AT&T is the last US carrier not to have announced a launch date for the tab... (Maybe it's willing to be a bit nice to Apple and its recently commercialized iPad, or maybe it's just an old and slow company...). Pure speculation: is there a chance we'll be able to switch the tab bands from T-Mobile like some have successfully done with other Samsung phones from the galaxy family ?
3. Another pure speculation: has Samsung actually disabled the hardware for voice calls on the US versions ? I hope his will be solved by flashing another firmware. Otherwise I'll just end up buying an international version (Which will be much more expensive...)

You can get the unlocked north american version which should be out by next week. It will cost you an arm and a leg but WILL work with the 850/1900 at&t 3g bands. Here are a few sites that have it:
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=26929
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http://negrielectronics.com/samsung-p1000-galaxy-tab-3g-850-1900-2100-oem-unlocked.html
Hope this helps.

Raspster said:
You can get the unlocked north american version which should be out by next week. It will cost you an arm and a leg but WILL work with the 850/1900 at&t 3g bands. Here are a few sites that have it:
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=26929
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http://negrielectronics.com/samsung-p1000-galaxy-tab-3g-850-1900-2100-oem-unlocked.html
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Thanks. Yes these bands are AT&T ones. Though waiting a few more weeks should allow to get it directly from AT&T at a lower price...
The good news is, if the websites are correct about the specs, the front facing camera is there (And I doubt Samsung will make a different Tab)
Seem to imply the voice call work to (negrielectronics) but it could be a mistake or a trick (works only through skype...) or just simple taht we are talking about an overseas model with the right 3G bands

Alcibiade said:
Thanks. Yes these bands are AT&T ones. Though waiting a few more weeks should allow to get it directly from AT&T at a lower price...
The good news is, if the websites are correct about the specs, the front facing camera is there (And I doubt Samsung will make a different Tab)
Seem to imply the voice call work to (negrielectronics) but it could be a mistake or a trick (works only through skype...) or just simple taht we are talking about an overseas model with the right 3G bands
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What concerns me are the comments that suggest US carriers will somehow restrict their service to GT so only data will work (no voice). So that raises the question for those of us who get the unlocked version - how do we get our Gt on to ATT or others? I guess I'm asking which ATT phone is it close enough to that I can acuire and swap the SIM card?

Alcibiade said:
Thanks. Yes these bands are AT&T ones. Though waiting a few more weeks should allow to get it directly from AT&T at a lower price...
The good news is, if the websites are correct about the specs, the front facing camera is there (And I doubt Samsung will make a different Tab)
Seem to imply the voice call work to (negrielectronics) but it could be a mistake or a trick (works only through skype...) or just simple taht we are talking about an overseas model with the right 3G bands
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Well, from what I hear is the 850/1900 band version will be an unlocked north amaerican version which can work with rogers (Canada) and at&t for the US by just adding your SIM card in. It is unknow weather the at&t network will identify the galaxy tab and change your plan accordingly if that is even how it will work with at&t. I beleive they WILL have a different plan for data for this device as T-Mobile, Sprint and Verizon are following this. Also, the at&t version WILL be a different model in appreance and features as this unlocked one will not. Probablly because at&t WILL remove the front camera and who knows what else (thanks to the iphone). That is why the samsung site has not put the at&t version on their site yet. really do hope it will be treated as a PDA phone thru at&t's network (for the unlocked version)

Raspster said:
You can get the unlocked north american version which should be out by next week. It will cost you an arm and a leg but WILL work with the 850/1900 at&t 3g bands. Here are a few sites that have it:
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=26929
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http://negrielectronics.com/samsung-p1000-galaxy-tab-3g-850-1900-2100-oem-unlocked.html
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I just heard today from Negri electronic that this version of the tab will not be available until JANUARY ...so don't bother pre-ordering it.

clubtech said:
I just heard today from Negri electronic that this version of the tab will not be available until JANUARY ...so don't bother pre-ordering it.
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That's funny as they told me last Friday that the warehouse in CA is expecting them on November 10th. Also, I work near the mobile city online store in NYC and stopped in there and they said this week they would have them. hmmm
UPDATE: Just sent a message to my contact @ Nergi. He said they just received the notice that this version of the tab will not be in till early 2011. You were right clubtech... Was hoping you were wrong.. lol That sucks!

Mmh all I have been reading so far sucks

Figured I would fire up this thread and bump it up as Bell is releasing the Galaxy Tab on November 12th. That will be our solution for the 850/1900 3G version I guess..? I sent a message to Nergi to see if they will have this version. I'll keep you posted.

I have my G-Tab now (Euro version with phone and data working great on AT&T in USA) Be glad to answer questions. General comment: I LOVE it! The form factor and wt are just right for me and it has all the features I miss on my iPad. Only criticism is that I find Android a bit less stable than IOS but that might be what Gingerbread or Honeycomb will address.

brucewilsonpa said:
I have my G-Tab now (Euro version with phone and data working great on AT&T in USA) Be glad to answer questions. General comment: I LOVE it! The form factor and wt are just right for me and it has all the features I miss on my iPad. Only criticism is that I find Android a bit less stable than IOS but that might be what Gingerbread or Honeycomb will address.
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Are you getting good 3g coverage? I see your in PA... Close to me. I know the 1900 band does blanket this area to some degree but the 850 band is alot stronger. I think I may wait for a full 3g band with both 850/1900 bands. Seems like the bell version will be the answer to that. Glad to hear you love the device.

I read that the bell version can't make any phone calls fyi .
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Raspster said:
Are you getting good 3g coverage? I see your in PA... Close to me. I know the 1900 band does blanket this area to some degree but the 850 band is alot stronger. I think I may wait for a full 3g band with both 850/1900 bands. Seems like the bell version will be the answer to that. Glad to hear you love the device.
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Yes the 3g coverage is fine in the Reading area (better than my iphone, not sure why) I made decision to go for the Eur version when it became apparent the ATT version would be limited to data (no phone) and I couldn't get an answer on whether the "North American" version (with 850 UMTS) would arrive with phone capability OK. I saw a map of ATT 1900 coverage and saw that it takes care of at least 75% of the US, including virtuall all of the East, so I'm comfortable with my decision.

Raspster said:
Figured I would fire up this thread and bump it up as Bell is releasing the Galaxy Tab on November 12th. That will be our solution for the 850/1900 3G version I guess..? I sent a message to Nergi to see if they will have this version. I'll keep you posted.
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Yes that's my hope. It's also probably a sign the AT&T one must be around the corner
I could not find out whether the Bell one would have call functions or not (That would be another great sign or opportunity)

clubtech said:
I read that the bell version can't make any phone calls fyi .
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Is it a confirmed information ?

Thanks for the info

No LTE for Germany

Hey guys,
today i saw that the S3 for germany will not support LTE.... i really dont get it.. why the hell is samsung doing this ? its completly nonsense... On every other location they will ship a LTE version.. Of course Germany does not have a complete support for LTE, but it is growing very fast.
It really sucks to have many different types of the S3 like the Samsung Galaxy S, Vibrant, Bell and so on.... Does someone know if they are only 2 different types or more ?
They cant be serious, and of course, the want for the S3 with LTE around 600€ and without the same price....
I really hope, that they think again about this decision and ship every S3 with, wether the country supports LTE or not...
What do you guys think about that ?

I won't miss it as much as many will becoz LTE isn't really supported here in Germany as in e.g. the USA...
(Dafür müsste ich zu Vodafone oder so mit Knebelvertrag )
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Hmm you are right mate. But the problem is that many devs come from London, USA and other countrys where LTE is supported so they get other device and our device won't support the roms they develop.. that will be horrible :/

I think as long as there aren't more phones with LTE, providers won't support it more..
I am from austria and also a bit upset that there won't be an LTE version because at least in vienna LTE is already growing.

saphirrot said:
Hmm you are right mate. But the problem is that many devs come from London, USA and other countrys where LTE is supported so they get other device and our device won't support the roms they develop.. that will be horrible :/
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No, we will get the same international device. We won't just be able to use LTE because it's set to the wrong frequecies and cannot be changed as far as I know.
Same with the iPad 3.

Does LTE really have speeds and the data plans to make it worth it over HSPA+? I mean I download hella fast on Three over here in the UK and it has Unlimited data. I've never thought the internet on the phone was too slow, it's faster than my mates broadband and I can stream BBC iPlayer desktop site and Netflix just fine.
I could just imagine coverage being crap as it's just been adopted and if your companies are like what they are here in the UK they'll give you 500mb which you'll hit the limit within 5 mins.

No, we will get the same international device. We won't just be able to use LTE because it's set to the wrong frequecies and cannot be changed as far as I know.
Same with the iPad 3.
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So, that mean that we get the 100% same phone with same hardware and with LTE support for America and other countrys ?

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So, that mean that we get the 100% same phone with same hardware and with LTE support for America and other countrys ?
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No.
We will get the version that was demoed a week ago with the quad-core exynos, that version will not support "4G", and not only because of frequency bands but because the "4G"(3G-LTE) being rolled out in Europe is not "true" 4G like in the US.
The US version will probably get the Snapdragon S4 as that is currently the best SoC out there that has 4G-LTE built-in, unless Samsung actually has a Exynos SoC with 4G-LTE.
But if they start rolling out 4G-LTE in Europe then frequency bands may also be an issue.

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So, that mean that we get the 100% same phone with same hardware and with LTE support for America and other countrys ?
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Yes and no.
The so called 4G (LTE) in Europe is nothing more than HSPA+ and it's basically only an enhanced version of 3G. Most people are calling it 3.5G+ but it's capable of delivering "true" 4G lte speed. America's providers Sprint/Verizon/AT&T are providing the real 4G technology which the S3 won't be able to achieve due to different frequencies. But from what I know T-Mobile and AT&T are also providing HSPA+ speed as some providers in Europe.
That's completely nonsense that Germany won't get the international version which does indeed supports HSPA+. But the other question would be if your provider do offer it.
http://samsung-galaxy-s3.net/rumors/galaxy-s3-will-have-4g-lte-support-in-europe
LTE SGS3 which will be released this summer in america will feature a completely different chipset because exynos is not capable for these frequencies.

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No.
We will get the version that was demoed a week ago with the quad-core exynos, that version will not support "4G", and not only because of frequency bands but because the "4G"(3G-LTE) being rolled out in Europe is not "true" 4G like in the US.
The US version will probably get the Snapdragon S4 as that is currently the best SoC out there that has 4G-LTE built-in, unless Samsung actually has a Exynos SoC with 4G-LTE.
But if they start rolling out 4G-LTE in Europe then frequency bands may also be an issue.
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Yes and no.
The so called 4G (LTE) in Europe is nothing more than HSPA+ and it's basically only an enhanced version of 3G. Most people are calling it 3.5G+ but it's capable of delivering "true" 4G lte speed. America's providers Sprint/Verizon/AT&T are providing the real 4G technology which the S3 won't be able to achieve due to different frequencies. But from what I know T-Mobile and AT&T are also providing HSPA+ speed as some providers in Europe.
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Why are people still spreading this nonsense, i.e. that there is no "true" LTE in Europe?
Germany does have "true" LTE, the same as is used in the U.S. (but on different bands). Deutsche Telekom is offering up to 100 Mbit/s in their tariffs.
And the network isn't as small as some people make it out to be (and fast growing):
t-mobile.de/funkversorgung/inland/
vodafone.de/privat/hilfe-support/netzabdeckung.html
(I can't post links yet, you have to copy&paste them)
It's true that they offer 42 Mbit/s HSPA+ - but they also have LTE on top of that.

m8tix said:
Yes and no.
The so called 4G (LTE) in Europe is nothing more than HSPA+ and it's basically only an enhanced version of 3G. Most people are calling it 3.5G+ but it's capable of delivering "true" 4G lte speed. America's providers Sprint/Verizon/AT&T are providing the real 4G technology which the S3 won't be able to achieve due to different frequencies. But from what I know T-Mobile and AT&T are also providing HSPA+ speed as some providers in Europe.
That's completely nonsense that Germany won't get the international version which does indeed supports HSPA+. But the other question would be if your provider do offer it.
http://samsung-galaxy-s3.net/rumors/galaxy-s3-will-have-4g-lte-support-in-europe
LTE SGS3 which will be released this summer in america will feature a completely different chipset because exynos is not capable for these frequencies.
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It's funny you say "true" 4g speeds, no network on this planet offers "true" 4g speeds.
No American carrier even gets upto a tenth of what true 4g is.
The LTE out now is 3.9G and carriers don't even offer that fully.

Mike Blitz said:
It's funny you say "true" 4g speeds, no network on this planet offers "true" 4g speeds.
No American carrier even gets upto a tenth of what true 4g is.
The LTE out now is 3.9G and carriers don't even offer that fully.
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this is directed more at the OP than anything, but I own both versions of the phone and have access to LTE networks that regularly get 40-50 mb/s down. In day to day use yes it's faster, but when I use the s4 stateside version browsing the internet literally chunks my battery down by 20 percent points over 20-30 minutes. Streaming video is even more of a joke you might get 2 hours before the phone dies. the HSPA speeds are more than enough for me and I get more than double the battery life just by not using LTE networks. Hope this helps, you shouldn't feel like you're getting ripped off both versions of the phone are good, but I prefer the international version as well as most of the community would agree.

News has it that both Deutsche Telekom and Vodafone will be offering the Galaxy S3 LTE starting mid-october. It will have a quad-core, like the UMTS version.
heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Samsungs-Galaxy-S3-LTE-kommt-nach-Deutschland-1675044.html

Same in the UK man... While LTE will be rolled out this and next year, I've already bought my S3, so I don't have the correct chip... which kinda annoys me! But even if I had the South Korean or US version, the frequencies are different. Sadly, there are no definitive standards for this stuff, so each country, and even each network just pics whatever works for them. Kinda sux!
To add insult to injury though, I can't even get DC-HSPA! Every network in the UK are doing it EXCEPT Vodafone. Not sure why, but they won't do it. My S3 supports it and all, but Voda are being annoying.
Ahh well, in another 2 years I'll have a 4G phone I guess

The German and the Korean Version might be the same, if I'm not mistaken, since Germany needs 800/1800/2600 and Korea 800/1800. From what I've heard the UK will start off with re-farmed 1800 and later add 800/2600, so they would likely be compatible. Not entirely sure.

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Same in the UK man... While LTE will be rolled out this and next year, I've already bought my S3, so I don't have the correct chip... which kinda annoys me! But even if I had the South Korean or US version, the frequencies are different. Sadly, there are no definitive standards for this stuff, so each country, and even each network just pics whatever works for them. Kinda sux!
To add insult to injury though, I can't even get DC-HSPA! Every network in the UK are doing it EXCEPT Vodafone. Not sure why, but they won't do it. My S3 supports it and all, but Voda are being annoying.
Ahh well, in another 2 years I'll have a 4G phone I guess
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On the Samsung UK website, for the S3, it lists the data speed spec as HSPA+21 , which is not DC-HSPA. Does that mean there needs to be a radio update or something before these speeds can be used, or Samsung's website is wrong....?