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Okay, so I've had a few Heros and sent them all back apart from the one I have now. The main reason for returning 5 Heros so far, was the quality of the screen. Basically there was dust under the screen. I initially thought it was stuck pixels but I'm now certain it's dust.
Dust is visible during the boot animation. It looks like stuck pixels; really bright little points of light. The reason they're visible during the boot animation is because for some reason, the backlight is up full when the phone boots. This will highlight little specks of dust which may not necessarily be visible at other times.
Now, I've noticed another type of dust speck. This kind is visible when the phone is off, or in sleep mode. This type of dust speck is lit by ambient light, so it is visible only when the screen is off, or showing a black image etc, in bright daylight.
So logically, this would lead me to believe that there are at least 2 layers of screen into which dust can find its way and consequently show itself up differently; either highlighted by the screen backlight (like during the boot animation) or highlighted against the screen by ambient light.
When I got the Hero I'm currently using, I was glad to have finally received one with no screen dust. 2 days later, and I have 2 specks of dust, one of each type, both on the left hand side of the screen. This is B.S. because I'm obsessive about screen imperfections, and if dust is getting in now then what's it gonna look like in a month, or 10 months?
Why do HTC have such bad quality control? Or why have they made a screen that isn't sealed so any dust, lint or any other pocket sh*t combination thereof can get inside and irritate the hell out of me? This makes HTC look like amateurs. My SE P1 has sat in my pocket for 2 years and still has a visibly perfect screen.
I am now considering disassembling the handset to impliment my own cleaning and sealing of the internals. Does anyone know if there exists in circulation a technical manual for the Hero?
I had a feeling they weren't hot/dead pixels - 'cos they're only noticable to me when I adjust the viewing angle and blast my brightness up to full and on a black screen/image.
I think it should be accepted that the phone is a load of crap and that it's not going to be able to live up to what was promised.
tatwamasi said:
I think it should be accepted that the phone is a load of crap and that it's not going to be able to live up to what was promised.
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and who cares what you think?
Its actually a cracking phone despite some teething problems and i have had some, many people have had NO problems at all.
Its NEVER sensible to buy any new product when it first comes out as you often get initial 1st production run issues, especially in complex devices
so your basically talking out of your crack
My Nokia E71 had the same problem. The screen (what you think is the screen) is a protective glass/plastic sheet and the dust can get behind it (between it and the lcd). I only got it sorted when the dust built up so bad and it took the repair shop about 15 minutes to fix.
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and who cares what you think?
Its actually a cracking phone despite some teething problems and i have had some, many people have had NO problems at all.
Its NEVER sensible to buy any new product when it first comes out as you often get initial 1st production run issues, especially in complex devices
so your basically talking out of your crack
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spacecat said:
and who cares what you think?
Its actually a cracking phone despite some teething problems and i have had some, many people have had NO problems at all.
Its NEVER sensible to buy any new product when it first comes out as you often get initial 1st production run issues, especially in complex devices
so your basically talking out of your crack
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No need to be rude.
On topic, I'm not sure how many more things need to be wrong with this handset before you'd agree with me. Aside from the all the hardware faults being reported people are recommending turning off widgets and apps (what's the point in multitasking if it takes twice as long?) and deleting parts of the OS to get it to run at something approaching smoothly. I know there are updates due but right now pretty much anything you want to do with the phone seems to be flawed. (funnily enough I'd finished typing the "anything" before my phone displayed "a" on the sceen).
Fair enough if you're loving it (though I could uncharitably say who cares what you think) but there's no way I'd recommend this phone to a friend.
I think you should accept that your talking crap, go on any site about any new tech and people are slagging it off this works that doesnt etc etc.
You will also find lots of people saying its great.
Now your backtracking on your own post , what if the update makes its great your going to look an even bigger twat than you look now.
Phone has been barely out a couple of months
tatwamasi said:
No need to be rude.
On topic, I'm not sure how many more things need to be wrong with this handset before you'd agree with me. Aside from the all the hardware faults being reported people are recommending turning off widgets and apps (what's the point in multitasking if it takes twice as long?) and deleting parts of the OS to get it to run at something approaching smoothly. I know there are updates due but right now pretty much anything you want to do with the phone seems to be flawed. (funnily enough I'd finished typing the "anything" before my phone displayed "a" on the sceen).
Fair enough if you're loving it (though I could uncharitably say who cares what you think) but there's no way I'd recommend this phone to a friend.
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I think you should accept that your talking crap, go on any site about any new tech and people are slagging it off this works that doesnt etc etc.
You will also find lots of people saying its great.
Now your backtracking on your own post , what if the update makes its great your going to look an even bigger twat than you look now.
Phone has been barely out a couple of months
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tatwamasi, I know you are right with some points about the hardware faults and all but i guess ( i wont say i think ...lol) that every new phone that comes out at one point has them.
Buying a product just after its release is a risk to take if you know what i mean but hey who cares as long as the warantee is there
anyway, i think the htc hero is a great phone. Its just that many of us had high expectations. too much maybe. Many of us complain of the lag and stuff... so far i havent used any smartphone without one. of course you might mention the "iphone" to me but let me just say that i prefer a laggy phone with the capability of running applications on the background than a smooth one without the multitask capab.
Like spacecat said, i am sure there'll be an update to fix these things.
Cheers!!!!!!!
Here here!
Awsome Handset! Awsome O/S!
Teething issues to be epected with all devices of this stature!
and if you implement the correct apps and methods your lag issues are solved! (e.g swapper + Taskill) Simpuls! Worked for me
I know as I, most of the guys here on XDA have been running winmo for donkeys and android is a breath of fresh air!
This is XDA-DEVEPLOPERS lets stop *****ing and do something productive.....
P.S.... come on, really Dust in the screen you evven admitted you cannot see it while in normal operation
spacecat said:
I think you should accept that your talking crap, go on any site about any new tech and people are slagging it off this works that doesnt etc etc.
You will also find lots of people saying its great.
Now your backtracking on your own post , what if the update makes its great your going to look an even bigger twat than you look now.
Phone has been barely out a couple of months
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In no way did I backtrack. I can't be bothered to argue with you though. Bye!
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I think it should be accepted that the phone is a load of crap and that it's not going to be able to live up to what was promised.
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Let me know of a product that doesn't live up to what was promised. Oh and please explain your meaning of 'promised'
Can I be the ref here and step in with some points that can't really be denied.
1. Dust under screen: Unacceptable. Heard of quality control? Shoddy screen manufacture is fine, even expected in a handset from Tesco that costs £10. Not in the £400 HTC Android flagship.
2. Screen gap. Also unacceptable. I don't even need to explain why.
3. Early adoption = expect problems. I disagree. This is true in practice but not in principle. I didn't pay £400 to be a beta tester. If you can't get the tolerances/design/software sorted out for the first batch then don't sell any until you do.
I'll be the first to say that the Hero is one of the best handsets out there if not THE best, but these little manufacturing issues are a huge fail.
I feel your pain.
Since over a month I want to buy the HTC Hero. At different shops I checked about 7 or 8 devices - all had at list a single dust spot under the screen.
Completely agree with you, that is unacceptable. It doesn't take much in the manufacturing process to secure a dust-free environment.
So, as long as HTC is not able to provide a dust-free screen, I won't buy a HTC device.
I'll have another look at a new shipment when my dealer calls me. That will be it.
Dust under the screen is very irritating especially in bright daylight.
My eyes get fixated on it, can't help it! How much easer can life be for others who just don't care or just don't see it.
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I feel your pain.
My eyes get fixated on it, can't help it! How much easer can life be for others who just don't care or just don't see it.
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Well i have no dust under the screen. ( touch wood touch gold) . Maybe because the protective shield i applied on my screen goes slightly beyond the screen, thus covering the gaps and everthing. It is hardly noticable if u ask me.
deeren said:
Well i have no dust under the screen. ( touch wood touch gold) . Maybe because the protective shield i applied on my screen goes slightly beyond the screen, thus covering the gaps and everthing. It is hardly noticable if u ask me.
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For most peoples' cases, the dust was there before they received the phone - i.e. during the manufacturing process. For me, the dust is not such a big deal as it's not causing any problems with my day-to-day usage. Only when the dust starts to cause dead pixels, will I worry. But for now, I'm loving my Hero (even more so, now with Paul's latest 1.4.1 custom ROM) to bits!
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I think it should be accepted that the phone is a load of crap and that it's not going to be able to live up to what was promised.
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lmao, spoken like a true sadass.
Fact is when a phone comes out for the first month it isn't really what anyone expects, phones are always hyped up to be more than they are, or how would they sell? Happened with the Touch HD, Touch Pro, Touch Diamond, Touch Pro 2, heck, it was even with the iPhone for much much longer till Apple pulled their finger out.
The recent update from MoDaCo (1.4.1) has vastly improved things, and this isn't even the official update and its only the 1st update.
This phone lives up to my expectations because I was on earth, not somewhere out there drifting in space.
There are still issues with the phone, but like with all custom roms, they address the problems. Thanks Paul and all the developers / users out here who are feeding back problems to HTC and then fixing them for us great owners.
Oh, back on Topic. I had one spec which only showed on startup, but its gone now so I guess it was just dust. I wasn't bothered though, couldn't tell it was there in use.
Oh come on, worst reception of any handset I've ever had (across 5 separate Heroes) and build quality standards through the floor are the hallmarks of the Hero in my experience.
That's not taking into account the software issues (which I could stomach knowing that there's an update on the way).
Sorry if those things are to be expected, it's just that I've never had so many issues with a handset, but apparently it's standard? Oh well, welcome to your world then, I guess I should expect nothing to work when I buy it and hope it gets sorted later. It's unfortunate that this has been my introduction it's just that previously, everything did just work! (With the exception of the crappy camera on my W960i, that was much better after the update).
I appreciate that people feel some kind of bizarre emotional attachment to their purchases but I don't get why they'd say "I happened to get a good one so it doesn't matter! You have no right to be disappointed" when the issues are real and out there.
Perhaps it was naive of me to expect my text messages to arrive, for video playback to work and for me to be able to make phone calls on my phone (especially when the same SIM delivers decent reception in the same spot in another phone) but it does significantly diminish the experience for me. Camera's better than I thought it'd be, I'll give it that.
Either way, I'm not crying about it and my comment was meant to be flippant. Allowing myself to see my phone as a piece of crap that isn't going to work properly has given me the opportunity to chill out about it and not get annoyed. It's just a phone, oh well. I was hoping it'd be able to replace my iPod but I guess it won't be able to.
And that is how I made peace with the Hero. With any luck the significant issues in software will be sorted in the update. Until they are, I don't think I could possibly recommend it though and right now, I think I should have got an iPhone. C'est la vie.
Was that spoken like a true Sadass? Hope you got a big laugh if so.
I had initial issues LED failure, but it has since been repaired and the video playback is poor.
Otherwise im loving it , great form factor/design balance between screensize and phone size.
internet is superb on the browser and tethered to my laptop,
phone calls and messaging/emails work great and im lovin the apps and market place.
Love the customisable 7 screens no lag that i have noticed.
Best phone i have ever had YES perfect NO but what is..... if the update improves the video i dont know how i could fault it right now
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Oh come on, worst reception of any handset I've ever had (across 5 separate Heroes) and build quality standards through the floor are the hallmarks of the Hero in my experience.
That's not taking into account the software issues (which I could stomach knowing that there's an update on the way).
Sorry if those things are to be expected, it's just that I've never had so many issues with a handset, but apparently it's standard? Oh well, welcome to your world then, I guess I should expect nothing to work when I buy it and hope it gets sorted later. It's unfortunate that this has been my introduction it's just that previously, everything did just work! (With the exception of the crappy camera on my W960i, that was much better after the update).
I appreciate that people feel some kind of bizarre emotional attachment to their purchases but I don't get why they'd say "I happened to get a good one so it doesn't matter! You have no right to be disappointed" when the issues are real and out there.
Perhaps it was naive of me to expect my text messages to arrive, for video playback to work and for me to be able to make phone calls on my phone (especially when the same SIM delivers decent reception in the same spot in another phone) but it does significantly diminish the experience for me. Camera's better than I thought it'd be, I'll give it that.
Either way, I'm not crying about it and my comment was meant to be flippant. Allowing myself to see my phone as a piece of crap that isn't going to work properly has given me the opportunity to chill out about it and not get annoyed. It's just a phone, oh well. I was hoping it'd be able to replace my iPod but I guess it won't be able to.
And that is how I made peace with the Hero. With any luck the significant issues in software will be sorted in the update. Until they are, I don't think I could possibly recommend it though and right now, I think I should have got an iPhone. C'est la vie.
Was that spoken like a true Sadass? Hope you got a big laugh if so.
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Hold my hands up on that one, I thought you were only talking about software issues, not hardware, so I apologise.
I completely understand where you are coming from regarding hardware, seems HTC have had issues on a couple of their latest phones, Diamond 2, Pro 2.
I had a Touch Pro 2 and after the 5th, I gave up and got a refund. The hinges were loose, faulty, slack. The screen had actual dead pixels. Keyboards faulty. Screen loose.
Other than moving back to my Touch HD which was perfect in every way (after having custom rom made, and it really needed Windows Mobile 7 to make it perfect), I thought the Hero was the next step.
Hardware wise, for me, it is. It is perfectly built, feels solid in my hand, screen nice and clear, reception perfect for me (same as all other HTC devices I've had and my iPhone 3g).
I know some people have had major issues with phones and the majority seem to be the people with Orange's Graphite branded phones, gaps in screens, poor reception etc and it must be certain production lines causing the issue.
Hopefully more roms coming out will make the software spot on, but as for hardware, they all need sending back as £400 is a lot for a phone, like I said about the Touch Pro 2, when your paying that much for a phone you expect it to be perfect (hardware).
Aside from the hardware, there is so much achieved in this latest update from MoDaCo (1.5) and more and more software on the Market everyday, software will be 110% in the near future.
Hope your hardware issues get sorted, send it back!!
Hi All,
I know this is a HD2 forum, but I was just looking for some opinions on the new Dell Streak now on o2.
I am pleased with o2's phone releases since losing exclusivity on the iphone, and this recent release is quite impressive (and huge!).
Anyway, thoughts please...comparisons etc.
Thanks.
i was looking at that today..
i was considering getting rid of my hd2 for it..but then again..my pockets arent big enough for that phone lol..
so i decided to jsut stick with the hd2 untill they can port android on it or tmobile gets another android device with a 1ghz processor
too big , low quality plastic easily scratches, lower ram ,only landscape
Dell are calling this a tablet to be in the same class as the iPad. So considering the streaks screen is only .7 inches bigger than a hd2's what does that class our device as? A mobile phone, a PDA or a tablet? By Dells reconing it would be a tablet but the streak is really nothing more than a PDA with a phone module. If you look at it this way i'd rather keep my HD2.
I would like to have a play with one to see what its like, but according to the specs, its is huuuge! Would dwarf my HD2.
My feelings are I have had my HD2 for about 8 months now and it is still top end smartphone on the market. Not many other phones I have owned I can say that about. Roll on the next 8 months!
Thanks for the comments so far. I do not think that the Streak's screen size is big enough to warrant calling it a tablet, also, the casing around the device just makes it bigger than it needs to be IMO.
IMHO, I feel that the HD2 is still the best device on the market simply because no two look alike once XDA possesses your soul, and I am still interested in it 8 months on.
Come on competitors, what else can you throw at us? Try harder!
This is exactly the sort of device that I'd replace my HD2 with IMO. Rather than trade down for something with a smaller screen, because lets face it, I don't think any HD2 owners would ever consider doing this after experiencing such ease and clarity with a bigger screen, so the only option is to upgrade in size, and this device certainly ticks the boxes for me.
I love my HD2 and everything that I've been able to do with it since reading & putting into practice all the tweaks that I've learnt of this site, but I'm now feeling like enough is enough as miss the android feeling as it's more 'with the times' than WM. Android itself is growing at an alarming rate and will no doubt be the number 1 mobile OS in a very short time, and the dell streak is the perfect device to complement it.
On a slightly lesser note, it's a shame the device didn't ship with 2.1 or 2.2 but I guess at the time of production, 1.6 was version on offer. I also think the price is good, so selling the HD2 and putting a few quid in seems well worth it.
Too big.
The step from HD2 with 4.3" and thin frame to 5" and thick border is the one that kills convenience and portability for not much. The HD2 is very comfortable yet just fits well in the pocket, but nothing bigger would, and on the other hand 0.7" don't change much in usability.
Android might be the (only?) interesting point.
Just played with 1 in store today for about 10'
It's really huge, not fit in pocket absolutely.
But the screen and colors somehow amazing. With TFT screen, the screen is like a bigger one of HD2.
At 1st, I like the way Dell skin the homescreen, smooth and fast. We can choose how many homescreen, and manage the background apps (somehow).
No double tap, just pinch to zoom when browsing, got flash too.
5mp camera seem not so good.
Looks good apart from it being landscape only. I prefer to hold devices in portrait unless viewing photos/movies, so this alone rules it out for me
Just done some more research and it appears that the Dell does have an accelerometer so should work in both landscape and portrait, can anyone confirm this? Can you type etc in portrait?
didnt know it was landscape only, I am sure this will change with an update though. I have to say I was tempted but I think android has a way to go yet, it hasnt even got a decent video player yet - coreplayer may change that soon though... (dont hold your breath though)
I want one. Hoped I could purchase one from the UK but I would have to move there to do so. Got to wait a month. I hate waiting for anything.
Diane
I'm really tempted by the Streak now. I love huge screen and rarely make phone calls, but I love Winmo too. It's hard to say goodbye with my HD2
I like big screens but the dell has a little too much unused extra dimension for me. I'll wait for the Sony Ericsson 5.5 inch android phone
Actually probably not, HTC will probably have a 5.5 inch out first with minimal bezel like the hd2, and I'd want to get that one.
I have been trying to replace my iphone for about one year. I haven't found anything where the plastic is as nice and I like the way everything looks on the the iphone screen. Tried a few WinMo phones, but everything always looked so TEENY on the screen. A few weeks ago I bought the Nexus One. For a day or two I considered selling it and moving on to the next device, but little by little I am liking it. [I wish the screen was bigger.] I was considering the Dell. I like the Android o/s - **LOVE** Swype. I am getting very good at it now. I had a tough time typing on the Nexus, but with Swype my 'Swypos' are minimal !!
I have Tmobile. Not sure what other phones I could use. Want to stick with Android though.
The only thing that impresses me about the Dell streak is the Gorilla Glass
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/29/dell-streaks-gorilla-glass-screen-torture-tested-for-your-amus/
xavierdemon said:
The only thing that impresses me about the Dell streak is the Gorilla Glass
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/29/dell-streaks-gorilla-glass-screen-torture-tested-for-your-amus/
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And to think that I was thinking of getting a screen protector for this bad boy.
I took my friend to go get one yesterday, well what a joke, the guys in O2 aren't allowed to sell it sim free (in my town anyway), they didn't have one on show and we wanted to see it and have a play we both had to put our HD2's behind the counter so they would let us play with it for 5 whole mins (WOW).
So car-phone whorehouse we went 6 of the guys in their didn't even no what it was, even though there was a big poster on the wall, the one guy in there that could help, said yes we sell it sim free £429 i thought thats not bad considering, so he go's in the back to get one, comes out all red faced I'm so sorry guys we haven't even got it in stock yet, were not getting it till next week when the Dell rep comes, (What a joke surely you should no if you have that brand new device in the store yet), so as we walked out laughing we though Phones4U, hahahahaha never had such fun in my life spoke to a girl in there she just look puzzled, then the manager came over, he asked what we wanted explained what it was showed him the leaflet and he said were not getting that phone mate tbh were a sh%t store and just laughed. So he didn't get one went home and ordered one on-line, morale of the story don't go shopping in a poxy town like mine.
After playing with the device got to say it is fun, but
Too Big to use as a phone
landscape only sucks edit(turns out Paul confirmed its not)
you're gonna have to use a headset of some form to take calls
screen is tuff as boots.
I'll stick to the HD2 thanks
The HD 2 was and IS the best Smartphone on the market TODAY, until the HD3 comes
HTC has the most experience in building WM-devices and Android ones and - except obviously raped and misprogrammed Network-Provider-ROMS such as O2, Vodafone, T-mobile - has the most stable performance. I bought mine with HTC-stock-rom, and since ROM 1.48 (and the great mods from the geniouses here at XDA) no freeze occured ever. It is serving me without any flaw all over the world, and this is exactly the same experience that I always had with my Touch HD.
@hoss_n2
You know what you really do post a lot of rubbish on this forum and seem to be seriously misinformed to so I'll answer you points.
too big,
Maybe for you it is but that's just your personal opinion after all for many others it's a great or even perfect size.
low quality plastic easily scratches
Really and you know this how? I played with one today and it's a great quality plastic and feels really good and it's to early to say if it scratches easily or not as no one has owned one long enough. If you mean the screen as well that's also wrong as that's made of Gorilla Glass and their was a video of someone attacking it with a ball point pen and no damage was done check YouTube or Engadget to see it.
Oh and that's not just MO either but that of others that have already got their Streak which includes Paul from MoDoCo. I'm still waiting for mine to arrive.
lower ram
Really as Paul has just been running some tests on it seeing as he has already Rooted it yup in under 1 day it's Rooted and it's showing 408mb of free Ram so where do you get this low Ram idea from then.
only landscape
LMAO just wrong nothing more needs to said here it works in landscape and Portrait modes don't believe me read this post by Paul on MoDoCo where he confirms for some one that the seesmic app goes full screen both in portrait and landscape ?
In fact read the whole thread for his first thoughts on the Streak.
http://android.modaco.com/content/d...-streak-thoughts-dump-got-questions-ask-here/
Having now seen one hands on as opposed to just pictures or videos it is not as big as i thought it was going to be, now if it's to big for you only you can decide but it has to be bigger then an HD2 to fit in a 5" screen.
Marc
So over a trip I went on, my beautiful HD2 stopped working. I have my suspicions as to what caused the damage, but they still come off as odd. Basically, I had my HD2 working perfectly ... I went into the bathroom to take a shower ... and I guess it was steamier than usual [since I was in a different climate than usual] ... the next day the device would vibrate to indicate boot but only display a faint logo onscreen of the ROM I am using [meaning backlight broken] then it would turn off after trying to boot I guess. I checked out the phone, looked for damage or water or anything ... couldn't find anything significant. I did notice that the tags on the phone and batter, which I learned are for water detection, had turned red. That struck me as odd because it wasn't the first time I had the phone in the bathroom with me. In any case, at this point the device won't even turn on ... plugging in the charger does nothing. It is basically dead.
NOTE: AT NO POINT DID THIS PHONE GO INTO THE SHOWER OR TOILET OR WHATEVER. IT WAS PLACED DOWN ON A DRY SURFACE BEFORE THE SHOWER.
So I am going to T-Mobile tomorrow, see if they will be kind to me haha. I highly doubt it, because the tags don't lie .. regardless of whether or not I feel it was a valid case of "water damage".
So, if they give me warranty and provide me with a new HD2, then this thread will be useless, but under the assumption they don't ... I was wondering if the HD2 is the phone to stick with.
I think it is great and all, but I always wonder if there is something better.
I was reading that the Nokia N8 can be run on T-Mobile USA when unlocked, I am not sure of the truth behind that ... but the specs on that device look pretty awesome. I just don't like that it is a huge switch from WinMo/Andro/WP7 capabilities. It also doesn't have that XDA-Developers community backing.
That is basically all I was thinking in terms of alternatives ... any other thoughts?
Man that really sucks about your HD2, and that is very curious that the water indicators turned red. I also don't think you will get much love from T-Mobile either because of the water indicators. But I say get another HD2, I know it is starting to become a older device now but to me there is just no other phone out there that can stand up to the awesomeness of the HD2. Besides you know if you get anything besides a HD2 you will be kicking yourself in the butt later on for not getting another HD2.
The Nokia N8 will not keep you happy, there are issues with both the software and hardware, similarto the issues Nokia software has been displaying from the 5800/5530 software fiasco.
I would never go near a top range nokia - they have lost the plot over the last 2/3 years. all imho of course
I have a myTouch 4G/HTC Glacier and the phone is a beast. screen looks awesome(but not as big as hd2), hspa+, 768mb RAM, front facing camera, etc...lots of nice ROMS and great devs. Im running cm7 rc4 on mytouch and get 30+ hours on a full battery charge
So I went to T-Mobile today ... they instructed me to call Customer Care and they should be able to send me a new device. Looks like I am sticking to the HD2.
I am still curious though: I am aspiring to be a Software Developer (actually, Cornell CS '15 ), and for that reason I know the HD2 is a great phone for me [I think it is like 5 different OSes it can run]. I have been curious, because I haven't had the time to sit down and do this myself, which OS is best to have on NAND ... since now the HD2 can do WinMo, Andro, [and WP7?] on boot. I feel like WinMo is a great choice, because then I can use HARET to boot Android ... but then I can't use WP7. And if I choose WP7, then I am stuck with just that. And if I choose Andoird, then I am stuck with just that.
I dunno ... just something to ponder I guess Opinions are greatly appreciated
Keep checking this thread m8 for ppl's views on OS.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1020358
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So I went to T-Mobile today ... they instructed me to call Customer Care and they should be able to send me a new device. Looks like I am sticking to the HD2.
I am still curious though: I am aspiring to be a Software Developer (actually, Cornell CS '15 ), and for that reason I know the HD2 is a great phone for me [I think it is like 5 different OSes it can run]. I have been curious, because I haven't had the time to sit down and do this myself, which OS is best to have on NAND ... since now the HD2 can do WinMo, Andro, [and WP7?] on boot. I feel like WinMo is a great choice, because then I can use HARET to boot Android ... but then I can't use WP7. And if I choose WP7, then I am stuck with just that. And if I choose Andoird, then I am stuck with just that.
I dunno ... just something to ponder I guess Opinions are greatly appreciated
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If you choose WP7, you can run Android off SD card via MAGLDR.
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So its official, adios HD2
I wish the device weren't so darn expensive! Unless I get paid as I am expecting for a little job I did recently, I may have to put off my hopes to get another HD2 for a while.
Anyone have any good recommendations of where to buy a New or LIKE New HD2 cheap? ... I can deal with superficial damage on the back-side, as long as the camera lens and the entire front side have NO damages to them [and of course the phone functions like new]. I have scavenged ebay a bunch today...best offer I could find was about 300$ for a brand new device, 280$ for a Like-New that fits my criteria ... 250$ for a like-new that is a little less appealing.
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Cyclonezephyrxz7 said:
So its official, adios HD2
I wish the device weren't so darn expensive! Unless I get paid as I am expecting for a little job I did recently, I may have to put off my hopes to get another HD2 for a while.
Anyone have any good recommendations of where to buy a New or LIKE New HD2 cheap? ... I can deal with superficial damage on the back-side, as long as the camera lens and the entire front side have NO damages to them [and of course the phone functions like new]. I have scavenged ebay a bunch today...best offer I could find was about 300$ for a brand new device, 280$ for a Like-New that fits my criteria ... 250$ for a like-new that is a little less appealing.
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I may be willing to sell my hd2
So I ended up buying a new [Used] HD2. I was told that the only issue was the metal plate over the batter [which I saved from my old HD2] ... so I was fine with it. I just got it today, it had a few minor scratches on the screen as well as what i think is a tiny Crack. So I am debating putting up with it, or calling the guy up and asking him what is up with that...
I purchased it on eBay ... so I just wanted your opinion on this: I bought it pretty cheap [235$] in comparison to other offers on the site, and the description was:
HTC HD2 (T-Mobile) cell phone
Used but in overall excellent condition
The only issue is that the metal cover on the back has some scratches, nothing major, screen is excellent
Includes phone /w battery and charger only, charger is not the original HTC charger, but it works 100%t
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I called the guy up to ask a few questions: Is it just the back-plate that has superficial damage? Has the device been tested to work as though new? The screen has nothing on it? And the guy basically told me that the back-plate was the only issue. Now that I have the phone, though, there are those minor scratches, and that small crack on the screen, as well as the cover to the earpiece missing/worn so it is silver now, and also the top right and left corners have a bit of damage.
Basically, when I put the soft-shell cover I have over it [stock], I can't see any of the superficial things except the screen, so they don't bother me as much. After all, it was listed USED, so I expected so much. I am just concerned about the SCREEN. If it is a crack on the screen, it will just get worse with time, am I right? If it were a scratch I could deal with it MAYBE, but being a crack I just don't want to have to look towards buying a THIRD device later on due to a cracked screen ...
[by the way, this crack wasn't a result of shipping I think ... it was in a nice thick layer of bubble-wrap and none of the bubbles had popped.]
So what is your opinion? Should I call this guy up, see what the deal is? Or should I deal with it?
Opinions appreciated!
EDIT:: Here are some low-res photos [one close-up, one far away]. I had to use my Exca to take them, I couldn't find my camera
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Swapping just the one piece is harder than swapping a glass digitizer screen combo, since to get them apart involves baking the phone for so many minutes at (I think it is) 60 degrees, then you will need to glue the new one back to the digitizer.its not just a simple swap. Plus the screen is the last piece in the stripdown process, EVERYTHING comes apart before you get to the screen.
If I were you I'd consider asking for some money back and live with the crack, or if he wont go for that tell him you want full refund. But you need to be quick, eBay will support your claim but leave it too long makes it look dodgy.
as for cracked screen getting progressively worse, that's not necessarily the case. I dropped mine ages ago (several months) and it now has around 8 or9 large cracks, all the way through the glass radiating from one corner all the way up to the top, and they are no worse now than when it happened, (i have a screen protector to save my fingers from possible sharp bits) though the rigidity has suffered greatly, and it now creaks and groans when it gets pressure in my pocket.
Yeah, I figured so much about the screen ... Turns out what I have is screen+digitizer, but the cable for the digitizer isn't in any condition where it will work again, haha. I didn't expect/want to do a screen-replace when I took apart my broken HD2.
Yeah, I know I have to act quickly for eBay to hold up a better case, in case the guy doesn't want to be easy about it. I just got the phone literally an hour ago in the mail.
I'll try to have some more higher-res photos up by tonight because I am still not sure if it is just a nasty scratch, or a crack...and as you can see my Excalibur doesn't exactly take a good picture haha. What I find odd is that usually a crack starts at the edge of the glass and progresses inwards, but this one starts in the middle of the screen and has like 3 little 'legs' of it coming out. I'm not scratch/crack expert so I can't really say ... I'll just have the photos up later.
Otherwise, I'll probably call the guy up tomorrow, see what the deal is/is going to be.
I would demand a Partial refund if you are happy enough with the phone.
If you get it, buy a zagg invisible shield screen protector to preven the crack from getting any worse. Had some good and bad luck with ebay purchases, but thats a story for another thread
Could be a pressure crack, I have a friend with a desire HD and he sat down with it in pocket, and a lighter against the screen, and he has a similar sounding crack, a few small cracks radiating out from a tiny central chip.
Okay, so I got the higher-res images ... the links are as follows:
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I think that 280 shows it the best, the others give you a view of it in respect to the whole phone. It isn't huge or anything ... decently sized. When the screen is on, I really have to look to find it. Besides feeling it with my finger as I swipe over it, I wouldn't really be bothered by its being there. My friend said it seems more like a surface scratch, but unlike the other scratches, I can actually feel this one [which is why I think it is more like a crack]. Ohh semantics!
In any case, just another curious question. Seeing as I just got the phone, I haven't put on any custom ROM or anything, assuming I would have to settle an issue potentially, but I realized when trying to hook the phone up to my computer that the SD card didn't register. It had registered just fine earlier today, and at my friends house. Then I didn't use it for maybe 4 hours. Then just now it didn't register. It was fixed with a reboot. Is this likely an OS thing that will be fixed with a new flash of a better ROM [this is running a STOCK rom by the way]. This phone would be pretty limited without its MicroSD Card slot. I just want to make sure that if that is a hardware issue, I bring that up.
I guess this will be the final post/update:
I talked to the guy, and he offered me either to ship it back at my expense [but still get a full refund], or he could give me $25 for the inconvenience/hassle. Having really thought about it, looked at the scratch/crack. I took him up on the latter offer.
I guess it just means I should be more careful when using the phone. After all, its like I said: I can't notice it unless I look for it when the device is on. Its a shame that there was a crack on the screen, but for $200, I think it is a darn good bargain. Also, the MicroSD card slot has been working just fine...I think it was an OS thing. If the MicroSD card slot does turn out to be an issue, hopefully it is within the next 40 days, haha, so I can still get it covered by Buyer Protection. Further, I simply cannot find a price as good as that
So, I guess this is the end of this thread. Thanks to anyone who helped
Hi guys,
Do to some over zealous clicking, I've managed to order both the Omnia 7 and Trophy phones. I'm going to send one of them back (unopened, so I can get my money back!), but the question is, which?
I know its a loaded question on this forum, but I'd be grateful for any advice.
My potential issues with the Omnia are:
1. There seems to be many more reports of faulty Omnia units than Trophy ones. It that your experience?
2. Samsung have a bad rep when it comes to updates, and the latest debacle with NoDo doesn't ease my mind. In your estimation, once they sort themselves out, does you see the upgrade to Mango going smoothly? (or even happening at all?)
3. Does the unit scratch easily? I have a Desire at the moment, and that has completely resisted all the abuse I've subjected it to and looks as good as new.
4. Is the power button placement really annoying?
By way of background, I've arrived at WP7 after long experience with iOS and Android, and I've fully researched WP7 - so I know that I will be happy with current functionality, though of course, I'm looking forward to future Mango goodness
Thanks for any help making my decision.
Cheers,
Ian
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1. There seems to be many more reports of faulty Omnia units than Trophy ones. It that your experience?
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Not really, I've heard of a lot of Trophys that froze or restart themselves but that should be gone with the firmware updates I think.
With the Omnia 7 I have just heard some reports of dead pixels but mine has been fine and is running without problems for months now.
2. Samsung have a bad rep when it comes to updates, and the latest debacle with NoDo doesn't ease my mind. In your estimation, once they sort themselves out, does you see the upgrade to Mango going smoothly? (or even happening at all?)
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Nobody knows what the future brings, but I'm confident that the problems they had are now sorted out and will not affect the Mango-update. BTW I didn't have any problems updating either.
3. Does the unit scratch easily? I have a Desire at the moment, and that has completely resisted all the abuse I've subjected it to and looks as good as new.
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I always take care of my phones...my Omnia7 is looking like a new one after 6 months, as did the HD2 and the Xperia X1 before.
If you aren't careful, the camera lens might get scratched on a rough surface because it's very even with the housing.
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A clear NO!
The power button placement is absolutely the best position one can have for it.
All my previous phones did switch on and unlock themselves when I placed the phone in my pocket (because then the phone is upside down and through gravity the button is pressed when moving). With the Omnia7 position this is no issue anymore. The button is easy to reach but there are no unwanted button presses anymore. I'm very glad the button is where it is and I doubt I would buy a phone with the power button on top anytime again.
You can't compare these two phones.
The trophy is a mid range device while the Omnia 7 is the best WP7 phone.
1. There seems to be many more reports of faulty Omnia units than Trophy ones. It that your experience?
From personal experience i seem to see most problems have been reported here on HD7s / DVPs
2. Samsung have a bad rep when it comes to updates, and the latest debacle with NoDo doesn't ease my mind. In your estimation, once they sort themselves out, does you see the upgrade to Mango going smoothly? (or even happening at all?)
The first ones were a bit of a **** up however by sticking to the carrier approval i don't really see much cause for concern. My updates went flawlessly on my Omnia 7. I can only see the process getting smoother
3. Does the unit scratch easily? I have a Desire at the moment, and that has completely resisted all the abuse I've subjected it to and looks as good as new.
Supposedly the Omnia 7 has Gorilla Glass so should be resistant. There is a thread on here about Gorilla Glass on the Omnia 7 and the absue people have subjected thier phones to. Check it out it should help ease your mind!
4. Is the power button placement really annoying?
I read about this in reviews and it is completely unfounded. It is not annoying and i have never accidently hit it during a call. If anything it is nice and easy to use as it is a natural place my thumb falls when i pick up the phone.
The Omnia 7 is a really nice unit. It's solidly built and the screen is gorgeous. I would definitely buy it again given the choice of any current WP7 handset.
1. There seems to be many more reports of faulty Omnia units than Trophy ones. It that your experience?
Not sure about the Trophy, but I have never had any problems with my Omnia 7. I have been using it pretty much since it came out in the UK
2. Samsung have a bad rep when it comes to updates, and the latest debacle with NoDo doesn't ease my mind. In your estimation, once they sort themselves out, does you see the upgrade to Mango going smoothly? (or even happening at all?)
Again, haven't had any problems with the NoDo update. I reckon Mango will be fine. Sorta related to updates, I think HTC will always be quicker to resolve any problems with firmware etc. Also they have better device specific apps. Samsung apps are useless on the whole and haven't been updated for a while now.
3. Does the unit scratch easily? I have a Desire at the moment, and that has completely resisted all the abuse I've subjected it to and looks as good as new.
I've got one little nick on the plastic bit around the phone and 2 very fine scratches on the screen after about 5 months of abuse. I tend to drop my phones a lot.. certainly looks better than my Desire did after 5 months
4. Is the power button placement really annoying?
I reckon some reviewers just got lazy and copied each other regarding this point. If they bothered to use the phone, they would find that there is no problem at all with the button placement! I've never accidentally switched off the phone during a phone call or while i've been using the phone.. I think it was just a theoretical issue from lazy reviewers! As others have been saying, the button location is actually pretty handy for when you want to lock your phone etc.
I don't really have any regrets about the handset itself. It seems to perform as expected... I'd only say that the storage space may not be enough for some people and also the Samsung apps are pretty pants compared to HTC and LG.. and I don't see them improving!
Thanks guys, that was really really helpful - decision made! (on the side of the Omnia, obviously)
Hopefully it'll be with me by the end of the week in time to distract me from the Royal Wedding, and see me through to the explosion of new WP7 phones in 2012
I could not agree more. I bought Omnia 7 three times. Each almost every month I have been replacing with a brand new one and it just delights me to look at when it looks me back with those colours.
Well, I like my Omnia and will keep it probably. But in my opinion the screen has its flaws. The color and the blacks are gorgeous but the resolution is not. You could see that especially with smaller fonts. Not a big deal for me but it's a fact. If you hold the phone normally you wouldn't even recognise.
Well it arrived yesterday with an unexpected bonus - it's the 16gb version! Unbranded other than a T-mobile splash screen. I've resisted flashing it, will wait to see what happens with updates over the next month.
Everything everyone said about the screen is true, was surprised how great it was, and how well it works in daylight. Button placement is great, it really
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(Oops!) ... Is a very slippery fish though!
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Gonna join the chorus and quote each question and answer immediately after. Hope my answers can lend some insight!
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1. There seems to be many more reports of faulty Omnia units than Trophy ones. It that your experience?
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I've had some minor dramas with my Omnia 7. A few months ago in January when it was raining constantly for like 3 weeks and the air was thick with moisture, the phone kept constantly beeping as though it was being plugged in to charge, even when it wasn't. It stopped doing this after the weather fined up and hasn't done it since. I'm going to assume it was moisture related. Another problem I've had is the audio sometimes doesn't record in video recorder mode. See the thread in this forum for my experiences with this issue (which seems to have gone away since I installed NoDo via Chevron updater).
2. Samsung have a bad rep when it comes to updates, and the latest debacle with NoDo doesn't ease my mind. In your estimation, once they sort themselves out, does you see the upgrade to Mango going smoothly? (or even happening at all?)
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This one comes down to the carriers in my opinion. I'm in Australia, and they're only just now rolling out the NoDo update. Meanwhile it's been officially available in other territories. So your mileage will vary.
Honestly though, if the hacking community keeps it up, and I can get Mango via Chevron updater or some other method, I really couldn't care how long Optus takes.
3. Does the unit scratch easily? I have a Desire at the moment, and that has completely resisted all the abuse I've subjected it to and looks as good as new.
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I really hate to admit it, as I'm typically quite precious with my gadgets, but I've drunkenly dropped my phone several times. Once it hit concrete, landing on the corner which resulted in it being sort of flattened, which was purely cosmetic and I managed to fix on my own anyway.
Another time I dropped it and it went screen first straight flat onto concrete and not a thing happened. Other than that I've kept it in pockets without other items, so there hasn't been any chance for the screen to scratch, really. But I've noticed no structural damage beyond the corner I mentioned. It seems to be quite a resilient screen. Really, it's going strong considering the regrettable abuse.
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NO! I absolutely LOVE where it's placed. I was a little concerned when I read reviewers talking about accidentally turning off the phone while talking on it... but now I don't even know what they were talking about!
I typically hold my phone in my left hand so I can swipe with my right index finger, and the lock key ends up right under where my index finger rests, so I can lock and unlock it without having to move my finger positions so (excluding drunken negligence), I don't have to worry about dropping the phone while fumbling to re-lock it. It really is ideal, and I'm glad the Galaxy S II (which I am pushing my sister to buy) has the same placement. Samsung is really onto something, I think
Edit: Poop. Didn't notice you already made your mind. Whoops!
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Yes it is!! When I got mine I bought a an advanced flexishield skin porduct code 26589 from Mobilefun. Its great and I recomnmend something like this to avoid dropping it. The Omnia 7 is a fantastic WP7 and I am loving it!!
so,yesterday i swapped my LG g3 for an Xperia Z3 +65€. My G3 was in mint condition, with screen protector from the first day and case. Never broken. The guy also said that his z3 was also in perfect condition. I wanted to change cuz my mom has a z1 and it's a great phone, i like sony's phones, and the battery is great, while on g3 is awful, and the screen on g3 is also awful if you ask me. The guy was working and he sent his girlfriend to come and swap phones with me. She said she was in a major hurry and she will be late for her trip and we need to do this fast. She handed me the original box and there was everything inside, and the phone, and immediately took my phone and started examining it. Everything was okay, and i examined the z3 and at the first look, everything was alright too. No scratches, the ui was smooth and no cracks/chunks at the sides. I immediately fell in love because the phone just feels great in hand and the screen is beautiful. As she was in a hurry, i gave her the money, we shook hands and she was on her way. All of this lasted like 3-4 minutes. Then i tried to put my sim card in, and it has nano sim, so i immediately went to the mall and t- mobile center to get my sim. While i was waiting for my turn, i accidentaly opened the camera, and whoa- water spots. Awesome. I call the guy, but no answers. Great. Immediately dissapointed by myself, but oh well, i never use the camera anyway. Then i go to my gf's place, wanna watch some youtube, try to turn the volume up, and guess what? vol up button also not working. great. Run the diagnostics, and light sensor also fails. And on top of that, the back panel is loose a little bit on the bottom. great. And all of this because i was stupid and didn't look closely.
And on top of all this, i have the version that cant have it's bootloader unlocked.
When you swap phones, examine the every last bit of it.
But i seriously love this phone, i'm just afraid i'll break it.
damn, ouch. sorry to hear that.
i'm also one of the "screwed" ones, but it was actually my own fault.
last month on my 4 week thailand holiday, in the first week my phone fell down and the glas broke.
display and everything still worked, but the touchscreen broke and i couldn't use the phone anymore.
since i wanted to use it as a camera on my vacation, i had to replace the display FAST,
but the next sony support center was 450km away in bangkok. there was another repair
shop that did some awesome work before (i checked their website, facebook, ratings, etc.)
so i decided to give them a try.
the display he ordered even came from sony itself (i have seen the package arriving the next day)
and the display is definitely genius and everything is working perfectly again, but there's one
bitter aftertaste with it: i have definitely lost waterproofing (checked through pressure sensor)
and i can see a small bit of light coming through the display and the case on the right side.
i wouldn't blame that service center for it, because if i wanted waterproofing again, i should
surely have sent it to sony instead.
actually i am thinking about if i should open the phone myself and replace the glue stickers
to attach the display. but i am scared a bit that i break more. everything's working perfectly,
and i think, as long as i don't submerge it into water, it should be fine.
Sorry to hear that man...
I have two Z3 phones and love them.
Better luck next time, I have been screwed ttoo, but now I only buy from new
That's not good.
Someone I know had a similiar 'I'm in a hurry' experience..
Turned out the phone had almost literally fallen off the back of a lorry . . . a delivery lorry, and was subsequently barred from all networks by the carrier
As for the waterproofing on the other phone, well, you could completely strip it and rebuild it with new seals, but there's still no guarantee it would be as waterproof as it was when new. They're not hard to get apart, just a bit of heat, and a being careful, and slowly does it. Watch a few dissassembly videos on YouTube (as guides only) and see if you feel capable of doing it. One word of advice, be very careful when disconnecting the ribbon cables as the sockets on the circuit boards are easily damaged.
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That's not good.
Someone I know had a similiar 'I'm in a hurry' experience..
Turned out the phone had almost literally fallen off the back of a lorry . . . a delivery lorry, and was subsequently barred from all networks by the carrier
As for the waterproofing on the other phone, well, you could completely strip it and rebuild it with new seals, but there's still no guarantee it would be as waterproof as it was when new. They're not hard to get apart, just a bit of heat, and a being careful, and slowly does it. Watch a few dissassembly videos on YouTube (as guides only) and see if you feel capable of doing it. One word of advice, be very careful when disconnecting the ribbon cables as the sockets on the circuit boards are easily damaged.
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I have many experience with dissasembling/reassembling phones and changing parts, i've changed so much faulty hardware on various phones that i could easly work in an IT store . It's okay, the light sensor works, i had the phone checked out, turns out they will change my buttons and camera+seal it for small amount of money. I'm overall satisfied. Only thing i'm not satisfied with is the damn bootloader, i don't think i can live with it man. My device history is pretty big, and never i ever had a phone that didn't run a custom ROM or at least a custom Kernel on it. And now this. This is just soul crushing for me. I installed the Marshmallow concept today, and while it's pretty good and AOSP(ish), the thought of at least not having root and installing AT LEAST layers on it is killing me slowly. And just to think i swapped the phone mainly because of the battery and because of jerpelea and his aosp contribuitons and kernel contributions i really like.. Damn. Im seriously gonna cry now.
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I have many experience with dissasembling/reassembling phones and changing parts, i've changed so much faulty hardware on various phones that i could easly work in an IT store . It's okay, the light sensor works, i had the phone checked out, turns out they will change my buttons and camera+seal it for small amount of money. I'm overall satisfied. Only thing i'm not satisfied with is the damn bootloader, i don't think i can live with it man. My device history is pretty big, and never i ever had a phone that didn't run a custom ROM or at least a custom Kernel on it. And now this. This is just soul crushing for me. I installed the Marshmallow concept today, and while it's pretty good and AOSP(ish), the thought of at least not having root and installing AT LEAST layers on it is killing me slowly. And just to think i swapped the phone mainly because of the battery and because of jerpelea and his aosp contribuitons and kernel contributions i really like.. Damn. Im seriously gonna cry now.
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Ah, so sorry to hear this story mate. I honestly HATE cheating bastards. I'm on the same boat with you regarding custom roms ,kernels and stuff. I know, we can unlock bootloader but it is NOT even close to be the same as with most other phones.(except Samsuck and their knox) . Maybe it hit me too hard since my last phone was nexus (and my next android phone will be nexus again). Was looking forward for AOSP and LAYERS to play with. Don't want to put extra salt on your wound,but shame we don't know each other , I would probably switch my mint condition Z3 to G3, just for change sake (and some custom ROM flashing sake), regardless of battery life of G3.
On the other hand, concept ROM rocks, I won't be getting back on L or stock Sony till it's M
When she said she were in a hurry you should've started to suspect that something was fishy. I would probably never by a used phone seeing how a lot of people treat their phones but if I did I'd certainly would back off if they tried to hurry me into buying/trading.
@DeHuMaNiZeD
I'm sorry for you too. But sometimes you can read from people mouth/face that something isnt okay...
Anyway if you remember their faces, you can talk with them and so on...
OP where did you get the contact info for the trade?
If it was in a page like Ebay,write a bad review and let us know his name, so we can spread out he's a cheater.
Sorry to hear that man...
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OP where did you get the contact info for the trade?
If it was in a page like Ebay,write a bad review and let us know his name, so we can spread out he's a cheater.
Sorry to hear that man...
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Nah, it's a croatian trading site, he didn't have an account. Anyways, i swapped my Z3 for an OPO, and i couldn't be happier. The best phone i owned. With my xperia being with locked bootloader, this phone is like a miracle for me.